No you're right. Other than length of career and vocal skills Patti ain't got nothing on Janet. In a career spanning like 50 years, Patti's only managed to get 4 hits well known. I love Patti but it's the truth. Janet's career has had a huge influence on modern R&B and pop stars, Beyonce and Rihanna just to name 2. I think Patti's become a legend because of her endurance, she's kept pushing on all these years even during long periods of failure. I feel like with Patti her name and her career are more well known then the music behind it (Everybody knows Lady Marmalade but not everybody knows who sings it)
No you're right. Other than length of career and vocal skills Patti ain't got nothing on Janet. In a career spanning like 50 years, Patti's only managed to get 4 hits well known. I love Patti but it's the truth. Janet's career has had a huge influence on modern R&B and pop stars, Beyonce and Rihanna just to name 2. I think Patti's become a legend because of her endurance, she's kept pushing on all these years even during long periods of failure. I feel like with Patti her name and her career are more well known then the music behind it (Everybody knows Lady Marmalade but not everybody knows who sings it)
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Good t know Im not crazy. I just was trying to figure out what made her so legendary that didnt make Janet.
I got into a disagreement with someone about their legendary staus or "lack of".
This person said that Patti is a legend but Janet isnt. I stated that neither are legends but icons.. AND IF Patti is a legend , then why isnt Janet.
They came up with no answer, just kept repeating Patti is a legend.
Career, success and impact wise, what does Patti have on Janet besides she has been around longer???
Nothin to me??
What do you think??
Thats my take on the whole thing.
I think they are both ICONS and not legends but I think Janet is more influential as far as pop star performer goes... Patti is influential as well as far as her singing. Ive seen some singers site her as an influence.
I got into a disagreement with someone about their legendary staus or "lack of".
This person said that Patti is a legend but Janet isnt. I stated that neither are legends but icons.. AND IF Patti is a legend , then why isnt Janet.
They came up with no answer, just kept repeating Patti is a legend.
Career, success and impact wise, what does Patti have on Janet besides she has been around longer???
Nothin to me??
What do you think??
Thats my take on the whole thing.
I think they are both ICONS and not legends but I think Janet is more influential as far as pop star performer goes... Patti is influential as well as far as her singing. Ive seen some singers site her as an influence.
At this point I think they're both veterans who have had success for years and both definitely have had some iconic moments. I did say earlier, it takes a special person to be a legend... neither of them have reached that IMHO. Patti's career had more valleys than hills. Janet's time in the sun could've been longer had some decisions been made differently and her career had charted a different course after "Velvet Rope".
will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P.
janrt is a superstar, pati labelle is a icon and a legend. when janet jackson can hold a note let us known. when she can start asuper group that can blow labelle away lets us known.
I would agree that Patti is a legend and Janet is not.
To be a legend, a singer has to have a certain artistic cachet that no one can match.
The reality is that Patti's voice and musical presence are extremely idiosyncratic and one of kind while Janet is ...derivative and often contrived. I mean how original is Janet really? How unique is she really? She's a lightweight "artist" compared to Patti.
I don't think record sales are the measure of a legend, but distinction and quality certainly are.
I would agree that Patti is a legend and Janet is not.
To be a legend, a singer has to have a certain artistic cachet that no one can match.
The reality is that Patti's voice and musical presence are extremely idiosyncratic and one of kind while Janet is ...derivative and often contrived. I mean how original is Janet really? How unique is she really? She's a lightweight "artist" compared to Patti.
I don't think record sales are the measure of a legend, but distinction and quality certainly are.
I would like to point out that Patti isn't much of artist really. She's an amazing singer, no doubt about it, but take away the voice and there isn't much of a talent left. Janet was an amazing and influential dancer, had great music videos, wrote a lot of her material, and was one of the artists who started the bridge of pop and R&B. Patti's voice has influence upon other stars, everything in Janet's music career has had an influence upon other stars.
Big deal. The question isn't whether Patti is some triple threat or an entertainer. It's whether she's a legend.
To be a legend, you have to be distinctive with a quality that isn't duplicated. YOu go down in history with that thing being associated with you.
Michael Jackson is a legend. Janet is not. We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet. It's not like her talent was so amazing that she would have broke into fame on her own. She stole most of the stuff associated with her: Minneapolis sound, militaristic dancing. Not impressed.
Big deal. The question isn't whether Patti is some triple threat or an entertainer. It's whether she's a legend.
To be a legend, you have to be distinctive with a quality that isn't duplicated. YOu go down in history with that thing being associated with you.
Michael Jackson is a legend. Janet is not. We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet. It's not like her talent was so amazing that she would have broke into fame on her own. She stole most of the stuff associated with her: Minneapolis sound, militaristic dancing. Not impressed.
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Those are my thoughts too, but was trying to keep the topic from turning into another war zone I agree with icon, not legend too. She is still one of my favourite artists ever though, in my top 5 if not 10.
I don't know enough of patti's work to get into this, but her voice is beautiful and people do associate certain qualities to her like you're saying, her soulful voice and elegant style.
I'm fine with your opinion but Patti wasn't really diistinctive either. Just another soul diva with an amazing voice, but I get where you're going.
Nonsense. Of course Patti's voice is distinctive. There is no other "soul diva" who sounds remotely like her.
Her voice is not just great, but one of a kind. Of course, people are legends for various reasons, but for Patti she has her own wail. I'm not even sure how much one can really imitate her.
If the character of her voice was typical, if her delivery was typical ... I would totally question her status completely. It's not just about her having tremendous pipes.
Big deal. The question isn't whether Patti is some triple threat or an entertainer. It's whether she's a legend.
To be a legend, you have to be distinctive with a quality that isn't duplicated. YOu go down in history with that thing being associated with you.
Michael Jackson is a legend. Janet is not. We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet. It's not like her talent was so amazing that she would have broke into fame on her own. She stole most of the stuff associated with her: Minneapolis sound, militaristic dancing. Not impressed.
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No Joseph Jackson - No Jackson 5 - No Michael Jackson
Poor tired argument!
Also if you want to 'credit' someone for Janet's success - give it to her father who got her the record deal in the first place - her brother had ZILCH to do with any of her musical output!
I would agree that Patti is a legend and Janet is not.
To be a legend, a singer has to have a certain artistic cachet that no one can match.
The reality is that Patti's voice and musical presence are extremely idiosyncratic and one of kind while Janet is ...derivative and often contrived. I mean how original is Janet really? How unique is she really? She's a lightweight "artist" compared to Patti.
I don't think record sales are the measure of a legend, but distinction and quality certainly are.
I would like to point out that Patti isn't much of artist really. She's an amazing singer, no doubt about it, but take away the voice and there isn't much of a talent left. Janet was an amazing and influential dancer, had great music videos, wrote a lot of her material, and was one of the artists who started the bridge of pop and R&B. Patti's voice has influence upon other stars, everything in Janet's music career has had an influence upon other stars.
Janet didnt write most of her material either.
Jimmy and Terry did but they based the material off of personal experiences of Janet. The ONLY song Janet has written by herself is Black Cat and she has some co wrote credit on some of her songs but I wouldnt called her an artist that mostly writes their material either.
No you're right. Other than length of career and vocal skills Patti ain't got nothing on Janet. In a career spanning like 50 years, Patti's only managed to get 4 hits well known. I love Patti but it's the truth. Janet's career has had a huge influence on modern R&B and pop stars, Beyonce and Rihanna just to name 2. I think Patti's become a legend because of her endurance, she's kept pushing on all these years even during long periods of failure. I feel like with Patti her name and her career are more well known then the music behind it (Everybody knows Lady Marmalade but not everybody knows who sings it)
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Oh! So she's particially responsible for those two monstrosicties.
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Big deal. The question isn't whether Patti is some triple threat or an entertainer. It's whether she's a legend.
To be a legend, you have to be distinctive with a quality that isn't duplicated. YOu go down in history with that thing being associated with you.
Michael Jackson is a legend. Janet is not. We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet. It's not like her talent was so amazing that she would have broke into fame on her own. She stole most of the stuff associated with her: Minneapolis sound, militaristic dancing. Not impressed.
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No Joseph Jackson - No Jackson 5 - No Michael Jackson
Poor tired argument!
Also if you want to 'credit' someone for Janet's success - give it to her father who got her the record deal in the first place - her brother had ZILCH to do with any of her musical output!
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I hate this arguement as well with how people make it seem as if that is the ONLY reason why she was/is successful but to a degree their is some truth to it.... to a DEGREE
Her last name definitly got her a plug in the door because lets be honest.......... if Janet wasnt a Jackson it would have been alot harder for her to initially get notice besides being a weak vocalist BUT her continued success was because of her work ethic and material. She worked hard to show that she could be her OWN artist away from her last name..... and she did.
Big deal. The question isn't whether Patti is some triple threat or an entertainer. It's whether she's a legend.
To be a legend, you have to be distinctive with a quality that isn't duplicated. YOu go down in history with that thing being associated with you.
Michael Jackson is a legend. Janet is not. We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet. It's not like her talent was so amazing that she would have broke into fame on her own. She stole most of the stuff associated with her: Minneapolis sound, militaristic dancing. Not impressed.
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No Joseph Jackson - No Jackson 5 - No Michael Jackson
Poor tired argument!
Also if you want to 'credit' someone for Janet's success - give it to her father who got her the record deal in the first place - her brother had ZILCH to do with any of her musical output!
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Hi Janet Lover ! Did you calm down yet.
I don't know what thought plane you're on, but it's entirely different from where my thoughts are and what I'm talking about.
The discussion is about legends, not success or big breaks.
Joe Jackson cannot make Michael a legend.
You can't make legends.
It really doesn't matter how Janet got signed, or who negotiated the contract because the only reason I cared about her and the only reason anyone else cared when she put out those pitiful "Young Love" and "Say You Do" songs where you couldn't even understand the words she sang was that she shared the bloodline of a genius, a true legend who changed music and will go down in history as an original.
Tell all your well-known details to Janet's biographer. Because it's irrelevant to this context of whether she's a legend. Oh -- and please don't make the mistake of tellign the biographer she's a legend. She's not.
No you're right. Other than length of career and vocal skills Patti ain't got nothing on Janet. In a career spanning like 50 years, Patti's only managed to get 4 hits well known. I love Patti but it's the truth. Janet's career has had a huge influence on modern R&B and pop stars, Beyonce and Rihanna just to name 2. I think Patti's become a legend because of her endurance, she's kept pushing on all these years even during long periods of failure. I feel like with Patti her name and her career are more well known then the music behind it (Everybody knows Lady Marmalade but not everybody knows who sings it)
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Really? I thought that was Michael Jackson. They both cite him as their influence and if I'm not mistaken Rihanna said she wanted to be the black Madonna (might have been back in 03-04). Not that it matters though lol. Don't take me wrong I love Janet, but I think dancing wise she's very inspiring to dancers & performers but not musically. The sound she had in the 80s is basically thanks to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. So with that said I think Patti is more of a legend than Janet, she's inspired many singers and has sung many styles of music.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix
I would like to point out that Patti isn't much of artist really. She's an amazing singer, no doubt about it, but take away the voice and there isn't much of a talent left. Janet was an amazing and influential dancer, had great music videos, wrote a lot of her material, and was one of the artists who started the bridge of pop and R&B. Patti's voice has influence upon other stars, everything in Janet's music career has had an influence upon other stars.
Janet didnt write most of her material either.
Jimmy and Terry did but they based the material off of personal experiences of Janet. The ONLY song Janet has written by herself is Black Cat and she has some co wrote credit on some of her songs but I wouldnt called her an artist that mostly writes their material either.
No. Many times, Janet will write a song by herself and Jam/Lewis will supply the production. This is what happened with "That's The Way Love Goes", "Can't Be Stopped", "Ask for More", etc. She even came up with the motif for "If", and JJ/TL just produced it. "Black Cat" is not the only song she's written by herself. She co-writes or writes everything, with the exception of the "Discipline" stuff.
Big deal. The question isn't whether Patti is some triple threat or an entertainer. It's whether she's a legend.
To be a legend, you have to be distinctive with a quality that isn't duplicated. YOu go down in history with that thing being associated with you.
Michael Jackson is a legend. Janet is not. We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet. It's not like her talent was so amazing that she would have broke into fame on her own. She stole most of the stuff associated with her: Minneapolis sound, militaristic dancing. Not impressed.
No Joseph Jackson - No Jackson 5 - No Michael Jackson
Poor tired argument!
Also if you want to 'credit' someone for Janet's success - give it to her father who got her the record deal in the first place - her brother had ZILCH to do with any of her musical output!
THIS. If Janet became THE Janet Jackson and stayed THE Janet Jackson because of Michael, then what happened with all the other siblings? She had to have that "it" factor for herself in order to achieve global success.
And that is not "bashing" anyone, it is simply the truth.
I agree with SynthiaRose and I'm a huge Janet fan.
ditto, although she is influential too
and she does co-write more than she gets credit for, though she definitely can't do it alone on a regular basis, it's no coincidence that things changed after Rene and after less involvement from Jimmy & Terry
Jimmy and Terry did but they based the material off of personal experiences of Janet. The ONLY song Janet has written by herself is Black Cat and she has some co wrote credit on some of her songs but I wouldnt called her an artist that mostly writes their material either.
No. Many times, Janet will write a song by herself and Jam/Lewis will supply the production. This is what happened with "That's The Way Love Goes", "Can't Be Stopped", "Ask for More", etc. She even came up with the motif for "If", and JJ/TL just produced it. "Black Cat" is not the only song she's written by herself. She co-writes or writes everything, with the exception of the "Discipline" stuff.
That is not true AT ALL.
Now I gave credit. She has written one song. It can be argued that she has written more than that but that is the ONLY song she is credited to have written by HERSELF.
And she has a co write on SOME of her songs not ALL. Most of those songs Jimmy and Terry and other song writers have written.
I agree with SynthiaRose and I'm a huge Janet fan.
ditto, although she is influential too
and she does co-write more than she gets credit for, though she definitely can't do it alone on a regular basis, it's no coincidence that things changed after Rene and after less involvement from Jimmy & Terry
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Right..
Some posters implied she has written mostly BY HERSELF which is bullshit. She has co written some of her material I would say 50 percent of it but the other half she has had songwriters. How do I know? Because I have all her albums.
I know Janet didn't write all her music or most of it on her own, but I feel like she gave more credit than needed to Jimmy and Terry. I think she could still write music if she wanted to, but in recent years she's either been lazy, or Dupri wants to do it for her.
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like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. 
I agree with icon, not legend too. She is still one of my favourite artists ever though, in my top 5 if not 10.
I meant to say musically distinctive.
