leecappella said:

Maybe, it should just be called the Music Hall Of Fame:)

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YES!!! This is the whole problem with the HOF. As long as they call it the the R&R HOF theses problems are going to keep happening.

Grand Funk!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1)They sold out Shea Stadium FASTER than The Beatles!!!!!

2)They scared the SH*T outta Led Zeppelin when they opened 4 them, getting kicked off the Tour 4 showing them up!!!

3)Their 1st four LP's!!!

aardvark15 said:

mjscarousal said:

But then again this kind of thing is bullshit honestly cause there are some artists that got in and I dont have a clue how or why their in there.... Beastie Boys...over Public Enemy/NWA/WAR?

Whether or not you like the Beastie Boys they've had one of the biggest influences on hip-hop and rap and brought more public attention to the genre than Public Enemy or NWA ever did.

Thats bullshit, they have not had more of an impact that NWA, Public Enemy or even WAR, I like the Beastie Boys but they should not have gotten in before those artists... and I was not just solely specifically talking about hip hop... they made it in before alot of other artists that I think should have got in before them.

Saying that they are more influential than NWA, Public Enemy as far as hip hop goes is the funniest thing I ever heard!

brooksie said:

aardvark15 said:

mjscarousal said: Whether or not you like the Beastie Boys they've had one of the biggest influences on hip-hop and rap and brought more public attention to the genre than Public Enemy or NWA ever did.

These were White dudes who helped rap cross over to a wider audience and predated the 2 groups in question, but their lasting impact is quite small when compared to NWA.

Fact is, NWA changed the whole game, launches an entire coast, and even were a percursor to how music industry works (think of how they did distribution w/o mainstream media)....rap has never been the same (for better or wose, up to you) since these cats came on the scene.

Agree.

George Michael

Stevie Nicks

Suzi Quatro

Grace Jones

Rick James

woogiebear said:

Grand Funk!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1)They sold out Shea Stadium FASTER than The Beatles!!!!!

2)They scared the SH*T outta Led Zeppelin when they opened 4 them, getting kicked off the Tour 4 showing them up!!!

3)Their 1st four LP's!!!

Agreed. Unfortunately the assholes that make the decisions probably hate Grand Funk more than they hate Kiss so they will likely never make it in.

I really fail to see the "honor" of such an induction....it appears that at some point, most (undeserving) will be inducted as long as they met the time criteria.

It's like labeling everyone a "musical genius". It cheapens the term or honor for those who truly are (Prince).

Revolution said:

I really fail to see the "honor" of such an induction....it appears that at some point, most (undeserving) will be inducted as long as they met the time criteria.

It's like labeling everyone a "musical genius". It cheapens the term or honor for those who truly are (Prince).

Well, every year a new batch of artists is eligible so there may be some deserving artists that are passed over. It is strange that a band like Guns 'N Roses is in while many popular bands who were an influence on them and eligible for induction a decade or more ago are not.

We are rapidly approaching the time when artists who debuted in the nineties will be eligible for induction, I think there are going to be an awful lot of questionable inductions once that happens. Are the big Seattle bands going to get in? Will any of the Britpop bands get in? The popular gansta rappers? Things are going to get a bit messy.

rialb said:

murph said:

What you^^^^^ said...

R&B and blues and gospel are the bedrocks of rock n roll....That's why R&B and black musical genres (i.e. hip-hop) are in the Hall...

And Kiss, as much as I like their live shows, should not be automatic....Their greatest album came from a live format....Think about that...

Deep Purple deserve to get in...But them being shut out has nothing to do with R&B or hip-hop...

Sure, you can make an argument for vintage R & B acts as being influential on the development of rock and roll but why are pure pop or rap artists in there?

Kiss have sold over a hundred million albums and were hugely influential on most hard rock/heavy metal acts of the late seventies/eighties/nineties, surely that alone should guarantee their place in the rock and roll hall of fame? The critics may hate them but they were one of the most popular acts of the seventies, of any genre, and are still an in demand concert attraction today.

There are only so many slots (five a year) so I would disagree that R & B/rap artists have nothing to do with Deep Purple (and other worthy rock acts) being shut out. For every rapper that gets in that is one less slot available.

Again...I have some Kiss songs in my Ipod...They got some "fun" songs...But let's not go overboard...To me the true snubs on the rock side of things have always been bands like Rush and Deep Purple...And it looks like Rush will finally get in (that's the behind the scenes talk anyway...)...Kiss were just too outwardly whorish for folks to take serious...lol...When you have sold Kiss tampons (true story) you've basically sealed your fate...

As much as I like some of Gene and boys' shit (I dig their live stuff more than anything else) there are plenty of artists on the rock, R&B, and hip-hop side that deserves to get in before them, even with 100 million albums sold...

BTW....I hate to break it to u...But rap is the most important musical artform of the last 34 plus years....Loathed or loved, that's hard to deny...And because of that fact you will see some hip-hop acts get the call before say the likes of Deep Purple (who should have been in by now), because there are other rock acts that are deemed even more important than them....

So don't blame hip-hop...This is just the culture we live in....

murph said:

rialb said:

Sure, you can make an argument for vintage R & B acts as being influential on the development of rock and roll but why are pure pop or rap artists in there?

Kiss have sold over a hundred million albums and were hugely influential on most hard rock/heavy metal acts of the late seventies/eighties/nineties, surely that alone should guarantee their place in the rock and roll hall of fame? The critics may hate them but they were one of the most popular acts of the seventies, of any genre, and are still an in demand concert attraction today.

There are only so many slots (five a year) so I would disagree that R & B/rap artists have nothing to do with Deep Purple (and other worthy rock acts) being shut out. For every rapper that gets in that is one less slot available.

Again...I have some Kiss songs in my Ipod...They got some "fun" songs...But let's not go overboard...To me the true snubs on the rock side of things have always been bands like Rush and Deep Purple...And it looks like Rush will finally get in (that's the behind the scenes talk anyway...)...Kiss were just too outwardly whorish for folks to take serious...lol...When you have sold Kiss tampons (true story) you've basically sealed your fate...

As much as I like some of Gene and boys' shit (I dig their live stuff more than anything else) there are plenty of artists on the rock, R&B, and hip-hop side that deserves to get in before them, even with 100 million albums sold...

BTW....I hate to break it to u...But rap is the most important musical artform of the last 34 plus years....Loathed or loved, that's hard to deny...And because of that fact you will see some hip-hop acts get the call before say the likes of Deep Purple (who should have been in by now), because there are other rock acts that are deemed even more important than them....

So don't blame hip-hop...This is just the culture we live in....

just goes to show you money/profits/sales are the lead factors in who makes the r n'r hall of fame imo.

Sting

murph said:

rialb said:

Sure, you can make an argument for vintage R & B acts as being influential on the development of rock and roll but why are pure pop or rap artists in there?

Kiss have sold over a hundred million albums and were hugely influential on most hard rock/heavy metal acts of the late seventies/eighties/nineties, surely that alone should guarantee their place in the rock and roll hall of fame? The critics may hate them but they were one of the most popular acts of the seventies, of any genre, and are still an in demand concert attraction today.

There are only so many slots (five a year) so I would disagree that R & B/rap artists have nothing to do with Deep Purple (and other worthy rock acts) being shut out. For every rapper that gets in that is one less slot available.

Again...I have some Kiss songs in my Ipod...They got some "fun" songs...But let's not go overboard...To me the true snubs on the rock side of things have always been bands like Rush and Deep Purple...And it looks like Rush will finally get in (that's the behind the scenes talk anyway...)...Kiss were just too outwardly whorish for folks to take serious...lol...When you have sold Kiss tampons (true story) you've basically sealed your fate...

As much as I like some of Gene and boys' shit (I dig their live stuff more than anything else) there are plenty of artists on the rock, R&B, and hip-hop side that deserves to get in before them, even with 100 million albums sold...

BTW....I hate to break it to u...But rap is the most important musical artform of the last 34 plus years....Loathed or loved, that's hard to deny...And because of that fact you will see some hip-hop acts get the call before say the likes of Deep Purple (who should have been in by now), because there are other rock acts that are deemed even more important than them....

So don't blame hip-hop...This is just the culture we live in....

Who is going overboard? Kiss are one of the most successful rock and roll acts ever, that's just a fact. The justification for not including them is that they are too popular? They wouldn't make Kiss tampons if they didn't think there was a market for it. The facts are that Kiss are undeniably a rock and roll act. They have sold over a hundred million albums (more than most artists already inducted) and after nearly forty years they are still one of the most popular touring attractions in music (I guarantee you that they put on a better live show than the vast majority of rappers). On top of that they have been extremely influential to generations of hard rock/heavy metal acts. By any reasonable criteria they have earned their place.

This is the simplest way I can put it. The institution is called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The word "fame" is right there is the name. It is not called the Rock and Roll Hall of Musical Integrity. Can anyone honestly claim that Kiss are not famous or successful enough to warrant inclusion?

fred12 said:

Rufus and Chaka khan

Already in the HOF

free2bfreeda said:

rialb said:

Do they still have that problem with women inducted?

Those are the women in the hall....

performers

Aretha Franklin

The Supremes (Florence Ballard, Diana Ross, Mary Wilson)

Zola Taylor (as part of The Platters)

LaVern Baker

Tina Turner (as part of Ike & Tina Turner)

Ruth Brown

Etta James

Cynthia Robinson (as part of Sly & The Family Stone)

Rose Stone (as part of Sly & The Family Stone)

Donna Jean Godchaux (as part of Grateful Dead)

Janis Joplin

Martha and the Vandellas (Martha Reeves, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Annette Beard)

Gladys Knight (as part of Gladys Knight & The Pips)

Grace Slick (as part of Jefferson Airplane)

The Shirelles (Shirley Owens, Addie Harris, Doris Coley, Beverly Lee)

Maureen Tucker (as part of The Velvet Underground)

Joni Mitchell

Christine McVie (as part of Fleetwood Mac)

Stevie Nicks (as part of Fleetwood Mac)

Cass Elliot (as part of The Mamas & The Papas)

Michelle Phillips (as part of The Mamas & The Papas)

The Staple Singers (Cleotha Staples, Mavis Staples, Pervis Staples, Yvonne Staples)

Bonnie Raitt

Brenda Lee

Tina Weymouth (as part of Talking Heads)

Chrissie Hynde (as part of Pretenders)

Debbie Harry (as part of Blondie)

The Ronettes (Estelle Bennett, Ronnie Spector, Nedra Talley)

Patti Smith

Madonna

Agnetha Fältskog (as part of ABBA)

Frida Lyngstad (as part of ABBA)

Darlene Love

Claudette Rogers Robinson (as part of The Miracles, backing band for Smokey Robinson)

Laura Nyro

early influences

Bessie Smith

Ma Rainey

Dinah Washington

Mahalia Jackson

Billie Holiday

Wanda Jackson

non-performers

Carole King (inducted as a duo with Gerry Goffin)

Ellie Greenwich (inducted as a duo with Jeff Barry)

Cynthia Weil (inducted as a duo with Barry Mann)

Janet Jackson - Black Cat, What About, etc.

I think Thin Lizzy probably deserve to be in. They never sold a ton of records but they were fairly influential.

How many British punk bands are in? Just the Sex Pistols and the Clash? I'd like to see Buzzcocks/The Damned/The Jam in there too.

Are The Replacements/Husker Du/The Pixies in? Again, none of them sold many albums but they were all very influential.

GRAND FUNK RAILROAD NEEDS TO BE IN ASAP.

KISS tampons?

I think it's a shame that Hall and Oates haven't been inducted.They successfully blended rock,pop and soul music and if I'm not mistaken,they were the most successful duo in pop music history.Songs like "Sara Smile","Rich Girl","You Make My Dreams","I Can't Go For That (No Can Do","Maneater" and many others are undisputed classics.

Joe Tex

SoulAlive said:

if I'm not mistaken,they were the most successful duo in pop music history.

Pet Shop Boys are #1. I think Hall & Oates is two though. I think everyone on this agrees that H&O needs to be in the HOF. Hell just about everyone does

SoulAlive said:

I think it's a shame that Hall and Oates haven't been inducted.They successfully blended rock,pop and soul music and if I'm not mistaken,they were the most successful duo in pop music history.Songs like "Sara Smile","Rich Girl","You Make My Dreams","I Can't Go For That (No Can Do","Maneater" and many others are undisputed classics.

i totally agree. i luved the song "sara smile." plus the two of them were so good for my eyes. and still are!

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africia bambatta, sunra,bootsy rubberband, authur love, chamber brothers, mandrill,

Kate Bush

Patti LaBelle

Chaka Khan

Gee, Kate Bush is really OVERLOOKED in America isn't she? In the UK she had more recognizement. Her albums are NOT EVEN RATED in the rolling stone site, even though rolling stone has decades of rock era music reviewing. You don't get to see her in American best of lists also.

Still, thinking in retrospect, the artist more fully accomplished in eclectism, genre blending, experimentalism and innovation matters of the rock era would be something like:

Kate, David Bowie, Prince and very few others, if any, that have reached this same degree.

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BrazilianOnRaspberryBeret said:

Kate Bush

Patti LaBelle

Chaka Khan

Gee, Kate Bush is really OVERLOOKED in America isn't she? In the UK she had more recognizement. Her albums are NOT EVEN RATED in the rolling stone site, even though rolling stone has decades of rock era music reviewing. You don't get to see her in American best of lists also.

Still, thinking in retrospect, the artist more fully accomplished in eclectism, genre blending, experimentalism and innovation matters of the rock era would be something like:

Kate, David Bowie, Prince and very few others, if any, that have reached this same degree.

[Edited 10/7/12 21:44pm]

Yeah, there are probably going to be a bunch of artists that don't get in due to the fact that they were not successful in America.

jackson35 said:

africia bambatta, sunra,bootsy rubberband, authur love, chamber brothers, mandrill,

I think Bootsy is in as a memeber of Parliament-Funkadelic, but not for the Rubber Band.

I think they ave a good list of RRHOF nomiees for 2013, but here are some others I think should be on that list:

rialb said:

Yeah, there are probably going to be a bunch of artists that don't get in due to the fact that they were not successful in America.

Since it's a museum in the US based on a boomer generation magazine, acts only popular in other countries are not that relevant to the audience the hall is for. I don't think there's many performers from Africa, Singapore, or El Salvador in the hall either. There's many other places besides the US and UK. People don't complain about those acts not getting in. They just get lumped in a "world music" category, when the last time I checked, the US & UK are not on another planet, so the music from those countries is also made in "the world".