The Hall of Fame has forgotten a lot of artists that I think are very much so qualified as being a member.and some artists are even in there twice or three times,usually with their group(s) and solo careers.I usuallly stay on top of the hall of fame.but I heard some of the nominees today and I still feel that there are still a lot of artists who hadn"t made it in//these artists brought a large contribution to the world of music:

Barry White

Sonny and Cher

Rufus and Chaka khan

Lou Rawls

Hall and oates

The Doobie Brothers

The 5th Dimension

Mary Wells

The Marvelettes

Kenny Loggins

the Bar-Kays

Dionne Warwick

Diana Ross(Solo Years)

The Commodores

Don Cornelius(contribution for Soul Train)

Wilson Phillips

Ray Parker Jr.

KC and The Sunshine Band

Jr. Walker

Rufus Thomas

The Mighty Clouds of Joy

Donna Summer

Ashford and Simpson

Billy PReston

The Stylistics

Earl Van Dyke(A Motown Funk Brother)

James Cleveland

Jerry Blavat

Rick James

Teena Marie

and trust me,I can come up with another list of Rock and Roll Hall of Famers

Pat Benatar

George Michael

Teddy Pendergrass

Luther Vandross

Styx

Culture Club/Boy George

Billy Idol

Kool & The Gang

Eurythmics

Stevie Nick's Solo Career

Brian Eno

Billy Ocean

Patti LaBelle

fred12 said:

The Hall of Fame has forgotten a lot of artists that I think are very much so qualified as being a member.and some artists are even in there twice or three times,usually with their group(s) and solo careers.I usuallly stay on top of the hall of fame.but I heard some of the nominees today and I still feel that there are still a lot of artists who hadn"t made it in//these artists brought a large contribution to the world of music:

Barry White

Sonny and Cher

Rufus and Chaka khan

Lou Rawls

Hall and oates

The Doobie Brothers

The 5th Dimension

Mary Wells

The Marvelettes

Kenny Loggins

the Bar-Kays

Dionne Warwick

Diana Ross(Solo Years)

The Commodores

Don Cornelius(contribution for Soul Train)

Wilson Phillips

Ray Parker Jr.

KC and The Sunshine Band

Jr. Walker

Rufus Thomas

The Mighty Clouds of Joy

Donna Summer

Ashford and Simpson

Billy PReston

The Stylistics

Earl Van Dyke(A Motown Funk Brother)

James Cleveland

Jerry Blavat

Rick James

Teena Marie

and trust me,I can come up with another list of Rock and Roll Hall of Famers

Here's the problem that a lot of people have, very few of the artists on your list are considered "rock and roll." Most of them would be shoe ins for an R & B hall of fame but rock and roll? I'm not so sure. If artists like Madonna and Run DMC are going to be inducted over actual rock artists then I really think the name of the institution ought to be changed.

Supposedly, one of the Hall Of Fame's many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame? This would imply that those inducted do not necessarily have to be rock and roll. They just have to have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll. That means, from what I can see, that an artist could be a mainly pop oriented artist (ie. Madonna) yet they have been found to have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll. Again, this is just what I get at this time:)

It would be wonderful if Donna Summer is inducted this time,but I feel like it's too little,too late.They had several chances to induct her when she was alive but they chose not to.I guess she had to DIE before they finally come to their senses?

leecappella said:

Supposedly, one of the Hall Of Fame's many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame? This would imply that those inducted do not necessarily have to be rock and roll. They just have to have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll. That means, from what I can see, that an artist could be a mainly pop oriented artist (ie. Madonna) yet they have been found to have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll. Again, this is just what I get at this time:)

Fair enough but I really think that they are stretching that definition. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five are in but Kiss are not? I just think that they would be making things so much easier if they changed the name to something less specific. It doesn't seem right that actual rock and roll artists are being looked over in favour of acts that are clearly not rock and roll.

rialb said:

Fair enough but I really think that they are stretching that definition. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five are in but Kiss are not? I just think that they would be making things so much easier if they changed the name to something less specific. It doesn't seem right that actual rock and roll artists are being looked over in favour of acts that are clearly not rock and roll.

Yeah. That! Also with the names mentioned, it seems like anybody, who's made their first album long enough ago, had some success and is still remembered, should be inducted into that hall. I mean, Wilson Phillips? As in Wilson and Phillips?? Really, never mind that they are not eligible yet, but why should they be in there?? They released one good album. Than another not so good one 2 years later and then they did nothing for about 20 years and only this year released another album. Not that I don't like them, I just recently rediscovered them myself, but really? Again, as long as some of the landmark Rock n Roll acts are not in that hall, we don't really need to talk about lesser or non rock acts which some people feel should be inducted

@leecappella
That is just a cheap copout on their part really. I mean, how has Madonna or even Michael influenced, developed or impacted Rock n Roll?? Really, they should just rename that damn hall. Call it it "Popular music hall of fame" and no one will have this discussion ever again. Also if we go by that criteria then Kiss or Deep Purple definitely should be in. If you ask any of the late 70s and 80s hair and hard rock bands, then one or both of these 2 bands will be named as a big influence.

^ But to be fair MJ at least experimented with the genre and was considered to a degree a rock star although he was pop.

leecappella said:

Supposedly, one of the Hall Of Fame's many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame? This would imply that those inducted do not necessarily have to be rock and roll. They just have to have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll. That means, from what I can see, that an artist could be a mainly pop oriented artist (ie. Madonna) yet they have been found to have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll. Again, this is just what I get at this time:)

These are my thoughts but at the same time I think the impact of the artist would have to be legendary and made a profound impact on music overall.

Which is why acts like Whitney, Janet even some of my favorite oldies like Kool and the Gang, Stylistics probably will never get in.

Hopefully Donna Summer gets in and I exactly believe she deserves to get in. She made a huge impact on music and sadly it got trapped into just disco.

But I think the problem overall with how they decide who gets in is that they choose people who are just nominated instead of people who are long over due and really deserve to get in BEFORE another artist who is just nominated. For instance, while I think RUN DMC deserves to be for a "hip hop" act I think their were artists that should have been in before them like WAR, Stylistics, Donna Summer etc. I think their should be some criteria......

But then again this kind of thing is bullshit honestly cause there are some artists that got in and I dont have a clue how or why their in there.... Beastie Boys...over Public Enemy/NWA/WAR?

mjscarousal said:

^ But to be fair MJ at least experimented with the genre and was considered to a degree a rock star although he was pop.

No he wasn't...at least not to rock fans. I never hear him name checked as a rock star.

He certainly worked w/ people considered rock stars...Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney, Eddie Van Halen, Slash, etc....but that doesn't make him rock.

Why would the Mighty Clouds of Joy be inducted? They're a gospel act and by definition kind of an odd pick for such a secular genre as Rock and Roll.

brooksie said:

Why would the Mighty Clouds of Joy be inducted? They're a gospel act and by definition kind of an odd pick for such a secular genre as Rock and Roll.

Let's review past inductees who were Gospel artists...Clara Ward, Mahalia Jackson, and The Soul Stirrers...even though they were gospel..they made it in..just like artists who were jazz performers have made it in..so Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.or Music Hall of Fame?

PatrickS77 said:

rialb said:

Fair enough but I really think that they are stretching that definition. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five are in but Kiss are not? I just think that they would be making things so much easier if they changed the name to something less specific. It doesn't seem right that actual rock and roll artists are being looked over in favour of acts that are clearly not rock and roll.

Yeah. That! Also with the names mentioned, it seems like anybody, who's made their first album long enough ago, had some success and is still remembered, should be inducted into that hall. I mean, Wilson Phillips? As in Wilson and Phillips?? Really, never mind that they are not eligible yet, but why should they be in there?? They released one good album. Than another not so good one 2 years later and then they did nothing for about 20 years and only this year released another album. Not that I don't like them, I just recently rediscovered them myself, but really? Again, as long as some of the landmark Rock n Roll acts are not in that hall, we don't really need to talk about lesser or non rock acts which some people feel should be inducted

@leecappella
That is just a cheap copout on their part really. I mean, how has Madonna or even Michael influenced, developed or impacted Rock n Roll?? Really, they should just rename that damn hall. Call it it "Popular music hall of fame" and no one will have this discussion ever again. Also if we go by that criteria then Kiss or Deep Purple definitely should be in. If you ask any of the late 70s and 80s hair and hard rock bands, then one or both of these 2 bands will be named as a big influence.

I agree..I just wanna know the qualifications how can they overlook Mary Wells of Motown who was the first female solo star and toured with THE Beatles and induct no disrespect all the rap artists of the earlier years..I mean look at Dionne Warwick, even Clive Davis says she's long overdue..all those classic songs,Walk On By, Alfie, Do You Know the Way To San Joise,Anyone Who Had A Heart and many morejust like Smokey Robinson was inducted in the late 80s without The Miracles

mjscarousal said:

Todd Rundgren.

He might not have been a big seller, but based on the merits of "musical excellency" how can you overlook him?

It would be nice to see more UK acts get recognition by this institution in question. Kraftwerk getting nominated was kind of cool though. If they've had some hiphop pioneers there then why not pioneers of electronic music as well? (Arguably, electronic music has had a bigger influence on rock'n'roll than hiphop.) Actually, forget Kraftwerk. I want Tangerine Dream in.

Sly Stallone

The Misfits

New Monkees

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aardvark15 said:

mjscarousal said:

But then again this kind of thing is bullshit honestly cause there are some artists that got in and I dont have a clue how or why their in there.... Beastie Boys...over Public Enemy/NWA/WAR?

Whether or not you like the Beastie Boys they've had one of the biggest influences on hip-hop and rap and brought more public attention to the genre than Public Enemy or NWA ever did.

I agree..

Of course people are going to let personal opinions cloud their judgment...

john mayall - although he's considered a blues musician, his influence on rock n roll has been great! i don't know why he keeps getting overlooked by the RnR hall of fame. i hope he's recognized before his time is over. he's in his 70's, and still sending out music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ohn_Mayall

In the 1960s, he was the founder of John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers, a band which has included Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce, Peter Green, John McVie, Mick Fleetwood, Mick Taylor, Don "Sugarcane" Harris, Harvey Mandel, Larry Taylor, Aynsley Dunbar, Hughie Flint, Jon Hiseman, Dick Heckstall-Smith, Andy Fraser, Johnny Almond, Walter Trout, Coco Montoya and Buddy Whittington.

the man is a founder! [if i've overlooked him receiving the award please post it]

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PatrickS77 said:

rialb said:

Fair enough but I really think that they are stretching that definition. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five are in but Kiss are not? I just think that they would be making things so much easier if they changed the name to something less specific. It doesn't seem right that actual rock and roll artists are being looked over in favour of acts that are clearly not rock and roll.

Yeah. That! Also with the names mentioned, it seems like anybody, who's made their first album long enough ago, had some success and is still remembered, should be inducted into that hall. I mean, Wilson Phillips? As in Wilson and Phillips?? Really, never mind that they are not eligible yet, but why should they be in there?? They released one good album. Than another not so good one 2 years later and then they did nothing for about 20 years and only this year released another album. Not that I don't like them, I just recently rediscovered them myself, but really? Again, as long as some of the landmark Rock n Roll acts are not in that hall, we don't really need to talk about lesser or non rock acts which some people feel should be inducted

@leecappella
That is just a cheap copout on their part really. I mean, how has Madonna or even Michael influenced, developed or impacted Rock n Roll?? Really, they should just rename that damn hall. Call it it "Popular music hall of fame" and no one will have this discussion ever again. Also if we go by that criteria then Kiss or Deep Purple definitely should be in. If you ask any of the late 70s and 80s hair and hard rock bands, then one or both of these 2 bands will be named as a big influence.

FTR, the "Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame has NEVER been JUST about "Rock N' Roll". If that was so, then Aretha Franklin, James Brwon and others wouldn't have been inducted. "Rock N' Roll" began with rhythm and blues, therefore, just being a "band with long hair playing a guitar does NOT define rock n' roll. Having said this, Michael Jackson DESERVED to be in the R&R Hall of Fame as much as ANYONE who has ever been inducted. His influence on music culture, the art of music, and everthing else is immeasureable. Even if you don't care for him or his music, it can't be denied that Michael DESERVED to be in the R&R Hall of Fame.

free2bfreeda said:

john mayall - although he's considered a blues musician, his influence on rock n roll has been great! i don't know why he keeps getting overlooked by the RnR hall of fame. i hope he's recognized before his time is over. he's 70yrs old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ohn_Mayall

In the 1960s, he was the founder of John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers, a band which has included Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce, Peter Green, John McVie, Mick Fleetwood, Mick Taylor, Don "Sugarcane" Harris, Harvey Mandel, Larry Taylor, Aynsley Dunbar, Hughie Flint, Jon Hiseman, Dick Heckstall-Smith, Andy Fraser, Johnny Almond, Walter Trout, Coco Montoya and Buddy Whittington.

the man is a founder! [if i've overlooked him receiving the award please post it]

I can't believe that Mayall ain't in it. Now here's someone very sadly overlooked.

fred12 said:

brooksie said:

Why would the Mighty Clouds of Joy be inducted? They're a gospel act and by definition kind of an odd pick for such a secular genre as Rock and Roll.

Let's review past inductees who were Gospel artists...Clara Ward, Mahalia Jackson, and The Soul Stirrers...even though they were gospel..they made it in..just like artists who were jazz performers have made it in..so Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.or Music Hall of Fame?

Music Hall of Fame, if they had one. Not to be too literal here, but they did name this "institution" after a specific genre.

aardvark15 said:

mjscarousal said:

But then again this kind of thing is bullshit honestly cause there are some artists that got in and I dont have a clue how or why their in there.... Beastie Boys...over Public Enemy/NWA/WAR?

Whether or not you like the Beastie Boys they've had one of the biggest influences on hip-hop and rap and brought more public attention to the genre than Public Enemy or NWA ever did.

These were White dudes who helped rap cross over to a wider audience and predated the 2 groups in question, but their lasting impact is quite small when compared to NWA.

Fact is, NWA changed the whole game, launches an entire coast, and even were a percursor to how music industry works (think of how they did distribution w/o mainstream media)....rap has never been the same (for better or wose, up to you) since these cats came on the scene.

Free2BMe said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. That! Also with the names mentioned, it seems like anybody, who's made their first album long enough ago, had some success and is still remembered, should be inducted into that hall. I mean, Wilson Phillips? As in Wilson and Phillips?? Really, never mind that they are not eligible yet, but why should they be in there?? They released one good album. Than another not so good one 2 years later and then they did nothing for about 20 years and only this year released another album. Not that I don't like them, I just recently rediscovered them myself, but really? Again, as long as some of the landmark Rock n Roll acts are not in that hall, we don't really need to talk about lesser or non rock acts which some people feel should be inducted

@leecappella
That is just a cheap copout on their part really. I mean, how has Madonna or even Michael influenced, developed or impacted Rock n Roll?? Really, they should just rename that damn hall. Call it it "Popular music hall of fame" and no one will have this discussion ever again. Also if we go by that criteria then Kiss or Deep Purple definitely should be in. If you ask any of the late 70s and 80s hair and hard rock bands, then one or both of these 2 bands will be named as a big influence.

FTR, the "Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame has NEVER been JUST about "Rock N' Roll". If that was so, then Aretha Franklin, James Brwon and others wouldn't have been inducted. "Rock N' Roll" began with rhythm and blues, therefore, just being a "band with long hair playing a guitar does NOT define rock n' roll. Having said this, Michael Jackson DESERVED to be in the R&R Hall of Fame as much as ANYONE who has ever been inducted. His influence on music culture, the art of music, and everthing else is immeasureable. Even if you don't care for him or his music, it can't be denied that Michael DESERVED to be in the R&R Hall of Fame.

James was (arguably) an early rock and roll artist, so I can see him getting in. Aretha is tougher to justify but you could argue that she deserves it due to her sheer popularity at her peak (1967-1973). But how do you justify some of the rap acts that have been inducted, especially over much more popular rock acts? If Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five are in why not someone like Frank Sinatra who was maybe the most popular entertainer of the twentieth century? It all just seems so arbitrary and as long as the phrase "rock and roll" is in the name people are going to question why some artists are inducted and others are not.

You don't see Megadeth in the country music hall of fame because they are not a country act. Why are non rock acts in the rock and roll hall of fame? It just doesn't make sense.

Free2BMe said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. That! Also with the names mentioned, it seems like anybody, who's made their first album long enough ago, had some success and is still remembered, should be inducted into that hall. I mean, Wilson Phillips? As in Wilson and Phillips?? Really, never mind that they are not eligible yet, but why should they be in there?? They released one good album. Than another not so good one 2 years later and then they did nothing for about 20 years and only this year released another album. Not that I don't like them, I just recently rediscovered them myself, but really? Again, as long as some of the landmark Rock n Roll acts are not in that hall, we don't really need to talk about lesser or non rock acts which some people feel should be inducted

@leecappella
That is just a cheap copout on their part really. I mean, how has Madonna or even Michael influenced, developed or impacted Rock n Roll?? Really, they should just rename that damn hall. Call it it "Popular music hall of fame" and no one will have this discussion ever again. Also if we go by that criteria then Kiss or Deep Purple definitely should be in. If you ask any of the late 70s and 80s hair and hard rock bands, then one or both of these 2 bands will be named as a big influence.

FTR, the "Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame has NEVER been JUST about "Rock N' Roll". If that was so, then Aretha Franklin, James Brwon and others wouldn't have been inducted. "Rock N' Roll" began with rhythm and blues, therefore, just being a "band with long hair playing a guitar does NOT define rock n' roll. Having said this, Michael Jackson DESERVED to be in the R&R Hall of Fame as much as ANYONE who has ever been inducted. His influence on music culture, the art of music, and everthing else is immeasureable. Even if you don't care for him or his music, it can't be denied that Michael DESERVED to be in the R&R Hall of Fame.

What you^^^^^ said...

R&B and blues and gospel are the bedrocks of rock n roll....That's why R&B and black musical genres (i.e. hip-hop) are in the Hall...

And Kiss, as much as I like their live shows, should not be automatic....Their greatest album came from a live format....Think about that...

Deep Purple deserve to get in...But them being shut out has nothing to do with R&B or hip-hop...

murph said:

Free2BMe said:

FTR, the "Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame has NEVER been JUST about "Rock N' Roll". If that was so, then Aretha Franklin, James Brwon and others wouldn't have been inducted. "Rock N' Roll" began with rhythm and blues, therefore, just being a "band with long hair playing a guitar does NOT define rock n' roll. Having said this, Michael Jackson DESERVED to be in the R&R Hall of Fame as much as ANYONE who has ever been inducted. His influence on music culture, the art of music, and everthing else is immeasureable. Even if you don't care for him or his music, it can't be denied that Michael DESERVED to be in the R&R Hall of Fame.

What you^^^^^ said...

R&B and blues and gospel are the bedrocks of rock n roll....That's why R&B and black musical genres (i.e. hip-hop) are in the Hall...

And Kiss, as much as I like their live shows, should not be automatic....Their greatest album came from a live format....Think about that...

Deep Purple deserve to get in...But them being shut out has nothing to do with R&B or hip-hop...

Sure, you can make an argument for vintage R & B acts as being influential on the development of rock and roll but why are pure pop or rap artists in there?

Kiss have sold over a hundred million albums and were hugely influential on most hard rock/heavy metal acts of the late seventies/eighties/nineties, surely that alone should guarantee their place in the rock and roll hall of fame? The critics may hate them but they were one of the most popular acts of the seventies, of any genre, and are still an in demand concert attraction today.

There are only so many slots (five a year) so I would disagree that R & B/rap artists have nothing to do with Deep Purple (and other worthy rock acts) being shut out. For every rapper that gets in that is one less slot available.

The Cars

Kate Bush

PatrickS77 said:

@leecappella
That is just a cheap copout on their part really. I mean, how has Madonna or even Michael influenced, developed or impacted Rock n Roll?? Really, they should just rename that damn hall. Call it it "Popular music hall of fame" and no one will have this discussion ever again. Also if we go by that criteria then Kiss or Deep Purple definitely should be in. If you ask any of the late 70s and 80s hair and hard rock bands, then one or both of these 2 bands will be named as a big influence.

I wondered that too as I was typing it:) However, I was also just sharing what one of the Hall's purposes are based on info I found on the net. Indeed, there are artists in the Hall who are far less rock and roll than others who are not in the Hall. Aretha Franklin and Madonna being two of the far less rock artists. There may always be those who are inducted who are far less than those who are not inducted. Maybe, it should just be called the Music Hall Of Fame:)

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