this is not about me, it's about me being an mj fan and your bias towards me for that, that is all

I've already explained I am a janet fan too and I do not agree with all her actions, and have given 2 cents on michael too before.

alphastreet said:

this is not about me, it's about me being an mj fan and your bias towards me for that, that is all

I've already explained I am a janet fan too and I do not agree with all her actions, and have given 2 cents on michael too before.

Alphastreet dont worry about them, this is a MESSAGE BOARD, not real life

Aaardvark loves instigating anything negative said about me because he doesnt like me but I dont give a fuck though he constantly trashes Michael every minute he gets and never has anything objective to say about Janet (and when someone does be objective toward Janet that also likes MJ he insists that their opinion is irrelevant because MJ was not perfect) but has the audacity to say someone calling the Kettle black .... talking out loud to their SELF on that one

likewise with that lunatic Seanman troll who ONLY comes here to just make Janet threads and not to participate in the overall non discussion music forum and feels he has a right to cuss people out and when someone tries to correct them he cant openly admit that his wrong

Ive admit to being wrong numerous of times here I mean I use to make threads ALL the time posting the wrong artist and video and people would correct me and I would correct it and just move on....

Just like people are correcting me with the Org 500 song list that I keep updating because I made a ton mistakes in it...

But O well .... Ive learned you cant please everybody and fuck them if they want to dislike, bash or be hateful just because of YOUR opinion... thats not your problem... thats theres

There just opinions and its not that serious.

Someone's opinion on something has nothing to do with their fandom of an artist. As far as I am concern nothing negative was said about Janet in this thread.

So dont know what the issue is about besides people bashing people because they dont like them and because people are MJ fans

If people can criticise and be objective toward Michael.... why cant people do that to Janet. This is a MESSAGE BOARD.. People are free to speak their opinion and if they have criticism of ANY artist thats THEIR opinion. This board picks and chooses who they want to bash.

They bash MJ, Whitney, EVEN PRINCE.. shit but say something about little miss PERFECT Janet Jackson you will get your head cutt off because shes so perfect and does everything right and never has or will ever do any wrong yea.......right.

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I USED to like you. Then I realised how hypocritical you are, you call everybody else out for being "stans" but don't admit you're the biggest one on this site. Janet isn't perfect, Michael wasn't either. While I do believe Janet never did anything as dangerous to herself as Michael, she's not pefect. Michael isn't either and whether or not you want to admit it, the man was addicted to drugs. We know that's the whole reason you don't like me, Janet, or seanman, because we've all pointed out to you that the man died on drugs. Conrad Murray gave Michael what he wanted, stupid decission on Murray's part (he clearly wanted MJ's money), but nonetheless it was what Michael wanted. While I don't believe Janet is perfect, it's fucking obvious the events that happened weren't true, you're really going to believe TMZ?

aardvark15 said:

I USED to like you. Then I realised how hypocritical you are, you call everybody else out for being "stans" but don't admit you're the biggest one on this site. Janet isn't perfect, Michael wasn't either. While I do believe Janet never did anything as dangerous to herself as Michael, she's not pefect. Michael isn't either and whether or not you want to admit it, the man was addicted to drugs. We know that's the whole reason you don't like me, Janet, or seanman, because we've all pointed out to you that the man died on drugs. Conrad Murray gave Michael what he wanted, stupid decission on Murray's part (he clearly wanted MJ's money), but nonetheless it was what Michael wanted. While I don't believe Janet is perfect, it's fucking obvious the events that happened weren't true, you're really going to believe TMZ?

It's pathetic when you Janet stans can't even get your facts straight while bashing Michael. Michael was MURDERED by Conrad Murray. It had fuck to do with Michael "being on drugs". Conrad Murray administered a powerful drug to help Michael sleep and didn't monitor him and neglected him while he was under anethesia. I guess you and other stans are ignorant to the fact that there were NO DRUGS in Michael's body, EXCEPT what the murderer, Conrad Murray gave him. Btw, a "drug addict" doesn't just suddenly stop doing drugs and have NO DRUGS in his system when he dies. You people are sickening because you are too stupid to even research for the truth. You just want to defend Janet, although the shit that she is doing to her reputation is HER fault. No one FALSELY accused her of demanding a refund for paying for her OWN brother's funeral. She DID it. No one falsely accused her of trying to take over her OWN brother's estate. She DID it. The media did NOT accuse her of doing this,it was there for ALLof US to see what was going on. She has NEVER denied that she asked for a refund. She has NEVER denied that she tried to take over Michael's estate and even try to basically "kidnap" her own mother and declare her incompetent. She has never denied these things, because she KNOWS that she can't and that two teenagers will call her out on it if she tries to. Therefore, she tries to act as if the media is lying on her. The media as basically kissed her ass, as they have ALWAYS done. So, she sends out demands for retractions; yet, she doesn't give a damn about damaging her deceased brother's legacy/reputation. How fucking hypocritical of Janet and YOU stans! At least get your facts straight if you are going to bash Michael in order to defend "little Miss Perfect"-Janet Jackson. The deplorable actions(attempted coup, "kidnapping" her own mother, allowing a CHILD to take the blame for what she-Janet- caused, came from Janet HERSELF. The media didn't falsely accuse Janet of these things,in fact,the media initially tried to ignore Janet's involvement. However, her arrogance was so blatant that even the damned media had to admit that Janet was behind all of these things. Any "damage" to her reputation was self-inflicted and not caused by FALSE ALLEGATIONS from money grubbing trash.

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aardvark15 said:

I USED to like you. Then I realised how hypocritical you are, you call everybody else out for being "stans" but don't admit you're the biggest one on this site.

Aardvark15 I dont care if you dont like me .... Boo fucking who.... you dont know me

And YOU are the one thats hyprocritical and has real short term memory. I stood up for you here a couple times and even went out of my way to in the past but realize your phoney. You have a problem with me because of some of my opinions on Janet and because I dare to question or challenge something I disagree with. Thats your problem not mine...

Yea I would be the biggest stan to someone who doesnt like me but just ignore how Seanman cusses out anybody who has anything remotely negative to say about Janet. His to high up his ass to even acknowledge when his wrong and I do that ALL the time. I have never just viciously cussed at someone like that and the only times I did was when the person iniated it. Everybody on here knows I am a big MJ fan BUT there are ALOT of MJ fans on here but I am not to caught up in my fandom to not want to talk about his issues or problems which I have unlike some of these Janet stans.

Janet isn't perfect,

You sure dont act like it especially when you bash anybody that constructively criticises her and use MJ problems as a scapeboat as to why you think she is more superior.

Michael wasn't either.

If I could have a dollar for EVERYTIME you said that I would be REALLY rich ... WE KNOW THAT. Talk about something we dont know? Elaborate on JANETS FLAWS.

While I do believe Janet never did anything as dangerous to herself as Michael, she's not pefect.

You might very well be right... but Janet's flaws to me, is still on the same level severity because it shows she lacks intergrity, sincerity and respect and to be honest, I think that is just as bad because that has to do with her character as a person. Say what you want about Michael but he wasnt like that. I dont think comparing her issues to his problems is relevant or even fair because they both went through different things. It also does not change that Janet still had problems of her own and was not perfect. The fact is.. she had flaws, she had problems and she was not perfect. Using Michael as an excuse to justify that is not cutting it and rather immature

Michael isn't either and whether or not you want to admit it, the man was addicted to drugs. Conrad Murray gave Michael what he wanted, stupid decission on Murray's part (he clearly wanted MJ's money), but nonetheless it was what Michael wanted

No Comment. Not going to re open a tired arguement especially in this unrelated thread, if that is your opinion so be it.

We know that's the whole reason you don't like me, Janet, or seanman, because we've all pointed out to you that the man died on drugs

On you: I dont know you to not like you specificially but no I dont really care for you as a poster because your posts often seem childish, phoney and you instigate alot of immature drama towards me just because I am a MJ fan and have certain opinions about him that you disagree with.

On Janet: I have ALL her albums and music videos. I am a fan and I honestly dont really have to prove that. I just know she wasnt God and speak my mind on some things she has done that has been questionable. I am not going to sit up here and pretend like she is perfect like you and others here do but then you want to turn around and insist MJ fans pretend like he was perfect.

Go look into the MJ sticky.. we talk about his flaws ALL the time.

On Seanman: Once again dont know to not like but very disrespectful, very ignorant, impulsive, irrational, very immature, close minded. There is no such thing as FLAWS in the same sentence mentioning Janets name when it comes to him so not point in debating with him.

While I don't believe Janet is perfect, it's fucking obvious the events that happened weren't true, you're really going to believe TMZ?

Did you read any of what I said in that thread?

I SAID the article WASNT true.. Did you read over that part or did you choose to ignore that

The article is not true that she would refuse to bury her brother if she did not get her money back ... however it is on record that she did put a deposit down for a couple of thousands and the MJ Estate did reimburse her and in my opinion I only gave in how I interpreted that....

which I said was petty because the deposit was only a couple thousands and she is worth millions. She has even given more money to charity than the deposit she put down which exactly makes it more sad and utterly ridiculous.

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aardvark15 said:

I USED to like you. Then I realised how hypocritical you are, you call everybody else out for being "stans" but don't admit you're the biggest one on this site. Janet isn't perfect, Michael wasn't either. While I do believe Janet never did anything as dangerous to herself as Michael, she's not pefect. Michael isn't either and whether or not you want to admit it, the man was addicted to drugs. We know that's the whole reason you don't like me, Janet, or seanman, because we've all pointed out to you that the man died on drugs. Conrad Murray gave Michael what he wanted, stupid decission on Murray's part (he clearly wanted MJ's money), but nonetheless it was what Michael wanted. While I don't believe Janet is perfect, it's fucking obvious the events that happened weren't true, you're really going to believe TMZ?

The only thing I've ever felt for mjscarousal is pity, really. I mean, whenever she addresses me it's the same script--"You cussed somebody out and blahblahblahfuckingblah" . It's a shame that somebody can be that petty about something when it didn't even INVOLVE them in the first place. Alpha and I took care of our thing outside of the forums. Is she Alpha's pesonal savior or something? I've told her that there are plenty of psychiartists out there who can help her with her mental disorder, and I hope she takes me up on it.

And you are so correct about her hypocrisy. Case in point--in another recent thread, she went on about my "cussing somebody out," and in the next sentence called me a "dumbASS" . How's that for hypocrisy? And she goes on and on about folks bashing MJ, and in a recent Janet thread, she spoke about how she is a "fan of Janet", even though Janet is a terrible singer, etc. How's that for bashing? As if she was trying to hurt somebody's feelings or something. Ha! Chile, please! The little girl simply needs to grow up.

Janet is not perfect No one is. But it is true that Michael Jackson was an addict. It is what it is. No one wants their childhood icons to have any blemishes, but it's the truth. He became addicted to painkillers after his scalp was burned, and it got worse over he years. I mean, who the hell hires a doctor to come to his home to administer a drug that is ONLY for use in a hospital? Murray was unethical for doing it, but Michael would have gotten some doctor from somewhere to do it even if Murray didn't.

Now, as for mjscarousal's ridiculous claim that I "ONLY come here to just make Janet threads and not to participate in the overall non discussion music forum", well, a quick look at my Org history shows otherwise. Again, she's an insipid, immature little girl who needs to grow up.

Now, I've said my piece on that. This is a Janet/Patti thread, and they are both LEGEND

SEANMAN said:

aardvark15 said:

I USED to like you. Then I realised how hypocritical you are, you call everybody else out for being "stans" but don't admit you're the biggest one on this site. Janet isn't perfect, Michael wasn't either. While I do believe Janet never did anything as dangerous to herself as Michael, she's not pefect. Michael isn't either and whether or not you want to admit it, the man was addicted to drugs. We know that's the whole reason you don't like me, Janet, or seanman, because we've all pointed out to you that the man died on drugs. Conrad Murray gave Michael what he wanted, stupid decission on Murray's part (he clearly wanted MJ's money), but nonetheless it was what Michael wanted. While I don't believe Janet is perfect, it's fucking obvious the events that happened weren't true, you're really going to believe TMZ?

The only thing I've ever felt for mjscarousal is pity, really. I mean, whenever she addresses me it's the same script--"You cussed somebody out and blahblahblahfuckingblah" . It's a shame that somebody can be that petty about something when it didn't even INVOLVE them in the first place. Alpha and I took care of our thing outside of the forums. Is she Alpha's pesonal savior or something? I've told her that there are plenty of psychiartists out there who can help her with her mental disorder, and I hope she takes me up on it.

And you are so correct about her hypocrisy. Case in point--in another recent thread, she went on about my "cussing somebody out," and in the next sentence called me a "dumbASS" . How's that for hypocrisy? And she goes on and on about folks bashing MJ, and in a recent Janet thread, she spoke about how she is a "fan of Janet", even though Janet is a terrible singer, etc. How's that for bashing? As if she was trying to hurt somebody's feelings or something. Ha! Chile, please! The little girl simply needs to grow up.

Janet is not perfect No one is. But it is true that Michael Jackson was an addict. It is what it is. No one wants their childhood icons to have any blemishes, but it's the truth. He became addicted to painkillers after his scalp was burned, and it got worse over he years. I mean, who the hell hires a doctor to come to his home to administer a drug that is ONLY for use in a hospital? Murray was unethical for doing it, but Michael would have gotten some doctor from somewhere to do it even if Murray didn't.

Now, as for mjscarousal's ridiculous claim that I "ONLY come here to just make Janet threads and not to participate in the overall non discussion music forum", well, a quick look at my Org history shows otherwise. Again, she's an insipid, immature little girl who needs to grow up.

Now, I've said my piece on that. This is a Janet/Patti thread, and they are both LEGEND

Even though you claim Janet to be a legend - doesn't mean it's true. She's not really known outside north america and other english speaking countries. I love Janet but sadly have never had the chance to see her live, but because I appreciate her artistry doesn't make her a legend. What type of musical impact has she had outside of her producers? Why do musicians, artists and producers never cite Janet as a revolutionary artist? They always cite her producers though and the fact that she" took the Prince sound", most of the times they always cite Prince for giving us Janet. I kinda wish she was bigger, because she's an extremly talented dancer and performer. I have a lot of artists that I love and appreciate like Gwen Stefani (and No doubt to be precise) but I would never claim she is a legend and No Doubt are legendary. YOu get my point? It doesnt make Janet a bad artist, it just puts her in the grander picture of the art of music.

GoldDolphin said:

Even though you claim Janet to be a legend - doesn't mean it's true. She's not really known outside north america and other english speaking countries. I love Janet but sadly have never had the chance to see her live, but because I appreciate her artistry doesn't make her a legend. What type of musical impact has she had outside of her producers? Why do musicians, artists and producers never cite Janet as a revolutionary artist? They always cite her producers though and the fact that she" took the Prince sound", most of the times they always cite Prince for giving us Janet. I kinda wish she was bigger, because she's an extremly talented dancer and performer. I have a lot of artists that I love and appreciate like Gwen Stefani (and No doubt to be precise) but I would never claim she is a legend and No Doubt are legendary. YOu get my point? It doesnt make Janet a bad artist, it just puts her in the grander picture of the art of music.

You're welcome.

I swear these Janet haters are so uneducted. yall should get "the knowledge" before trying to deny Miss Jackson's legendary status in the musical industry.

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Free2BMe said:

aardvark15 said:

I USED to like you. Then I realised how hypocritical you are, you call everybody else out for being "stans" but don't admit you're the biggest one on this site. Janet isn't perfect, Michael wasn't either. While I do believe Janet never did anything as dangerous to herself as Michael, she's not pefect. Michael isn't either and whether or not you want to admit it, the man was addicted to drugs. We know that's the whole reason you don't like me, Janet, or seanman, because we've all pointed out to you that the man died on drugs. Conrad Murray gave Michael what he wanted, stupid decission on Murray's part (he clearly wanted MJ's money), but nonetheless it was what Michael wanted. While I don't believe Janet is perfect, it's fucking obvious the events that happened weren't true, you're really going to believe TMZ?

It's pathetic when you Janet stans can't even get your facts straight while bashing Michael. Michael was MURDERED by Conrad Murray. It had fuck to do with Michael "being on drugs". Conrad Murray administered a powerful drug to help Michael sleep and didn't monitor him and neglected him while he was under anethesia. I guess you and other stans are ignorant to the fact that there were NO DRUGS in Michael's body, EXCEPT what the murderer, Conrad Murray gave him. Btw, a "drug addict" doesn't just suddenly stop doing drugs and have NO DRUGS in his system when he dies. You people are sickening because you are too stupid to even research for the truth. You just want to defend Janet, although the shit that she is doing to her reputation is HER fault. No one FALSELY accused her of demanding a refund for paying for her OWN brother's funeral. She DID it. No one falsely accused her of trying to take over her OWN brother's estate. She DID it. The media did NOT accuse her of doing this,it was there for ALLof US to see what was going on. She has NEVER denied that she asked for a refund. She has NEVER denied that she tried to take over Michael's estate and even try to basically "kidnap" her own mother and declare her incompetent. She has never denied these things, because she KNOWS that she can't and that two teenagers will call her out on it if she tries to. Therefore, she tries to act as if the media is lying on her. The media as basically kissed her ass, as they have ALWAYS done. So, she sends out demands for retractions; yet, she doesn't give a damn about damaging her deceased brother's legacy/reputation. How fucking hypocritical of Janet and YOU stans! At least get your facts straight if you are going to bash Michael in order to defend "little Miss Perfect"-Janet Jackson. The deplorable actions(attempted coup, "kidnapping" her own mother, allowing a CHILD to take the blame for what she-Janet- caused, came from Janet HERSELF. The media didn't falsely accuse Janet of these things,in fact,the media initially tried to ignore Janet's involvement. However, her arrogance was so blatant that even the damned media had to admit that Janet was behind all of these things. Any "damage" to her reputation was self-inflicted and not caused by FALSE ALLEGATIONS from money grubbing trash.

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GoldDolphin said:

SEANMAN said:

You don't know about global success? Oh, I forgot for a minute who I was talking to

Janet Jackson has toured the world and has fans all over the world. America, Canada, Australia, Spain, Europe, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Africa, Asia, the Middle East... This cannot be denied.

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I would say that Janet is on Prince's level around the world - in terms of fame obviously not in music work(slightly more famous than him) since Prince is a freaking musical genius which I cant say about Janet lol.

She's mostly known in english-speaking countries(australia, USA, Canada, new zeeland, the Uk), people often talk about her moreso in other countries as MJs baby sister. I've lived in several countries during my short time on this earth, and in african nations more specifically South Africa she's known as a stylish person (and dancer), in other african nations not so much. In Latin America & Europe for those who like 80s culture or were into Velvet Rope in the 90s. She's becoming more famous in the middle east because of her fiance who's an arab. Asia? Outside of Japan and perhaps the phillipine? what other countries. Obviously like any other 80s artist she might have a small fanbase in all continents, but lets not say she's that known in the world because she aint.

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That's right. I'm from Brazil and I like Janet, but I never met anyone here that actually got to listen to ANY album of hers. She's not well known. Maybe was in the 80s but I was too young to tell.

^ not surprised to hear that, from all the accounts I've heard over the years, I think her popularity peak on a global scale was in the 90's and early 00's, and this is no reflection of her music at the time at all, so to make accusations that fans don't respect her artistry is banal.

Now I'm thinking, maybe janet should have released another album or velvet rope earlier instead of design of a decade, though I loooove runaway and 24 play. It sold well worldwide but didn't sell higher like the janet album cause people had the songs already, I always thought it was too early for a greatest hits though I thought it was really well put together. She was just coming off the janet. album and scream, another movie, followed by an album would have led to even more popularity, but I do love the velvet rope album and tour a lot, which also did really well, so maye artistry should be looked at as more important than popularity when it comes to her.

MrUFOman93 said:

GoldDolphin said:

You're welcome.

I swear these Janet haters are so uneducted. yall should get "the knowledge" before trying to deny Miss Jackson's legendary status in the musical industry.

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It's so lame, you're calling me a hater - just because one doesn't have the same conclusion doesn't make one a hater. Being that I am a musician, I could go hard on her like many of my friends do. Vocally she's not the best and quite frankly it's just crazy that you're calling me uneducated in the field of music, when my life is all about music. Whatever though, many people's opinions are so biased.

GoldDolphin said:

MrUFOman93 said:

You're welcome.

I swear these Janet haters are so uneducted. yall should get "the knowledge" before trying to deny Miss Jackson's legendary status in the musical industry.

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[Edited 10/7/12 18:23pm]

It's so lame, you're calling me a hater - just because one doesn't have the same conclusion doesn't make one a hater. Being that I am a musician, I could go hard on her like many of my friends do. Vocally she's not the best and quite frankly it's just crazy that you're calling me uneducated in the field of music, when my life is all about music. Whatever though, many people's opinions are so biased.

I agree with this, I used to be a performer and have done janet many times as well, and there are many on this board who like their favourite artists, do this, and still have opinions on them, without hating them at all.

MrUFOman93 said:

GoldDolphin said:

You're welcome.

I swear these Janet haters are so uneducted. yall should get "the knowledge" before trying to deny Miss Jackson's legendary status in the musical industry.

THIS.

"Why do musicians, artists and producers never cite Janet as a revolutionary artist?"

They do. Performers since the '80s have cited her as a major influence. Her influence on other artists has crossed musical genres. Rock artists Biff Naked and Tommy Lee have talked about how they love her music. Rock group Children of Bodom remade "Black Cat" years ago. Pop, R&B and hip-hop artists since the '80s have cited her as an influence and/or just noted her iconic status in the industry. Various actors and actresses are fans of hers. Babyface always wanted to work with her, and he finally did in 2004. Diddy also wanted to work with her for a long time to work with her, and did in 2001.

I think Janet and Patti are COMPLETELY different musicians. If you would compare Patti to Aretha/Gladys/Nina/Etta/Chaka and Janet to Madonna/Paula Abdul/George Michael/Terence D'Arby it would work, but these two are impossible to be compared cause their work is very different.

It's art, so you can't be wrong.

Exception that proves the rule: Nirvana killed rock and roll.