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SEANMAN said:

mancabdriver said:

No Joseph Jackson - No Jackson 5 - No Michael Jackson

Poor tired argument!

Also if you want to 'credit' someone for Janet's success - give it to her father who got her the record deal in the first place - her brother had ZILCH to do with any of her musical output!

THIS. If Janet became THE Janet Jackson and stayed THE Janet Jackson because of Michael, then what happened with all the other siblings? She had to have that "it" factor for herself in order to achieve global success.

And that is not "bashing" anyone, it is simply the truth.

I dont know about global success but I do agree with your overall point

I think people are only stating she first got recognized primarily because she was a Jackson and that helped her out in getting notice in the beginning versus a unknown person that didnt have a celebrity family trying to make it in the business.....You cant honestly say that Janet Patterson would have easily gotten a record deal working with Jimmy/Terry the hottess producers at the time especially with a weak voice. Nothing against Janet because she DID work hard to get to where she is... however....you at least have to acknowledge that truth as a fan.

janet got results from her hard work but was also automatically favoured for her last name (there were many awesome dance artists around her RN time also breaking records that could have gotten a big record deal after, but Janet got it, though deserving too, and possibly cause who she was would bring in the bucks and she was hot), in the beginning if not later on when they started calling her "normal" jackson like she was a token in that family until Superbowl happened

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

ditto, although she is influential too

and she does co-write more than she gets credit for, though she definitely can't do it alone on a regular basis, it's no coincidence that things changed after Rene and after less involvement from Jimmy & Terry

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Right..

Some posters implied he has written mostly BY HISSELF which is bullshit. he has co written some of hIS material I would say 50 percent of it but the other half he has had songwriters. How do I know? Because I have all hIS albums.

Patti Labelle vs. Janet?

There is no competition. I'm a Big Time Fan of Janet's but I have to go along with everything SynthiaRose said, Patti wins this no-contest. Someone said something along the lines of if you take away Patt's voice. . . Huh? Patti is a sanger. She sangs.

mjscarousal said:

SEANMAN said:

THIS. If Janet became THE Janet Jackson and stayed THE Janet Jackson because of Michael, then what happened with all the other siblings? She had to have that "it" factor for herself in order to achieve global success.

And that is not "bashing" anyone, it is simply the truth.

I dont know about global success but I do agree with your overall point

You don't know about global success? Oh, I forgot for a minute who I was talking to

Janet Jackson has toured the world and has fans all over the world. America, Canada, Australia, Spain, Europe, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Africa, Asia, the Middle East... This cannot be denied.

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SynthiaRose said:

mancabdriver said:

No Joseph Jackson - No Jackson 5 - No Michael Jackson

Poor tired argument!

Also if you want to 'credit' someone for Janet's success - give it to her father who got her the record deal in the first place - her brother had ZILCH to do with any of her musical output!

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Hi Janet Lover ! Did you calm down yet.

I don't know what thought plane you're on, but it's entirely different from where my thoughts are and what I'm talking about.

The discussion is about legends, not success or big breaks.

Joe Jackson cannot make Michael a legend.

You can't make legends.

It really doesn't matter how Janet got signed, or who negotiated the contract because the only reason I cared about her and the only reason anyone else cared when she put out those pitiful "Young Love" and "Say You Do" songs where you couldn't even understand the words she sang was that she shared the bloodline of a genius, a true legend who changed music and will go down in history as an original.

Tell all your well-known details to Janet's biographer. Because it's irrelevant to this context of whether she's a legend. Oh -- and please don't make the mistake of tellign the biographer she's a legend. She's not.

Well you're a bit thick buying singles of an artist based on their last name. What shallow people do that?

Let's hope people aren't sheep like you were otherwise we will be seeing Lourdes, Blue Ivy and Paris Jackson tearing up the charts in a few years time.

Like Lisa Marie Presely, Rockwell, Solange and La Toya Jackson did

And please don't try to infer I'm an irrational fan who is going off topic i was reponding to the silly and baseless opnion you had:

We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet.

Yes i'm a Janet fan...Sherlock...We've got a sharp one here...

[Edited 10/3/12 2:33am]

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

I dont know about global success but I do agree with your overall point

You don't know about global success? Oh, I forgot for a minute who I was talking to

Janet Jackson has toured the world and has fans all over the world. America, Canada, Australia, Spain, Europe, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Africa, Asia, the Middle East... This cannot be denied.

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I am probably a bigger Janet fan and collector than you are but I am not delusional either.

Internation and GLOBAL are two different things at no point was Janet ever a Global star.... she definitly is a international star... this is a discussion we have gotten into mutiple of times

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

mjscarousal said:

Right..

Some posters implied he has written mostly BY HISSELF which is bullshit. he has co written some of hIS material I would say 50 percent of it but the other half he has had songwriters. How do I know? Because I have all hIS albums.

KCOOL this discussion is not about Prince, this is about Janet. Stay on topic.

He wasn't talking about Prince....

aardvark15 said:

He wasn't talking about Prince....

DUH

I dont even know why he would insist something that is straight bullshit ..... Its sad how their can never be a discussion on JUST JANET without any of her family members being brought up.

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aardvark15 said:

He wasn't talking about Prince....

mancabdriver said:

SynthiaRose said:

Hi Janet Lover ! Did you calm down yet.

I don't know what thought plane you're on, but it's entirely different from where my thoughts are and what I'm talking about.

The discussion is about legends, not success or big breaks.

Joe Jackson cannot make Michael a legend.

You can't make legends.

It really doesn't matter how Janet got signed, or who negotiated the contract because the only reason I cared about her and the only reason anyone else cared when she put out those pitiful "Young Love" and "Say You Do" songs where you couldn't even understand the words she sang was that she shared the bloodline of a genius, a true legend who changed music and will go down in history as an original.

Tell all your well-known details to Janet's biographer. Because it's irrelevant to this context of whether she's a legend. Oh -- and please don't make the mistake of tellign the biographer she's a legend. She's not.

Well you're a bit thick buying singles of an artist based on their last name. What shallow people do that?

Let's hope people aren't sheep like you were otherwise we will be seeing Lourdes, Blue Ivy and Paris Jackson tearing up the charts in a few years time.

Like Lisa Marie Presely, Rockwell, Solange and La Toya Jackson did

And please don't try to infer I'm an irrational fan who is going off topic i was reponding to the silly and baseless opnion you had:

We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet.

Yes i'm a Janet fan...Sherlock...We've got a sharp one here...

[Edited 10/3/12 2:33am]

patti has a lengendary voice and stage presence

Janet has legendary dance moves and songs

Two different sides of entertainment

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

I dont know about global success but I do agree with your overall point

You don't know about global success? Oh, I forgot for a minute who I was talking to

Janet Jackson has toured the world and has fans all over the world. America, Canada, Australia, Spain, Europe, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Africa, Asia, the Middle East... This cannot be denied.

[Edited 10/2/12 22:05pm]

I would say that Janet is on Prince's level around the world - in terms of fame obviously not in music work(slightly more famous than him) since Prince is a freaking musical genius which I cant say about Janet lol.

She's mostly known in english-speaking countries(australia, USA, Canada, new zeeland, the Uk), people often talk about her moreso in other countries as MJs baby sister. I've lived in several countries during my short time on this earth, and in african nations more specifically South Africa she's known as a stylish person (and dancer), in other african nations not so much. In Latin America & Europe for those who like 80s culture or were into Velvet Rope in the 90s. She's becoming more famous in the middle east because of her fiance who's an arab. Asia? Outside of Japan and perhaps the phillipine? what other countries. Obviously like any other 80s artist she might have a small fanbase in all continents, but lets not say she's that known in the world because she aint.

[Edited 10/3/12 9:32am]

GoldDolphin said:

SEANMAN said:

You don't know about global success? Oh, I forgot for a minute who I was talking to

Janet Jackson has toured the world and has fans all over the world. America, Canada, Australia, Spain, Europe, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Africa, Asia, the Middle East... This cannot be denied.

[Edited 10/2/12 22:05pm]

I would say that Janet is on Prince's level around the world - in terms of fame obviously not in music work(slightly more famous than him) since Prince is a freaking musical genius which I cant say about Janet lol.

She's mostly known in english-speaking countries(australia, USA, Canada, new zeeland, the Uk), people often talk about her moreso in other countries as MJs baby sister. I've lived in several countries during my short time on this earth, and in african nations more specifically South Africa she's known as a stylish person (and dancer), in other african nations not so much. In Latin America & Europe for those who like 80s culture or were into Velvet Rope in the 90s. She's becoming more famous in the middle east because of her fiance who's an arab. Asia? Outside of Japan and perhaps the phillipine? what other countries. Obviously like any other 80s artist she might have a small fanbase in all continents, but lets not say she's that known in the world because she aint.

[Edited 10/3/12 9:32am]

wait she's engaged?

HAPPYPERSON said:

GoldDolphin said:

I would say that Janet is on Prince's level around the world - in terms of fame obviously not in music work(slightly more famous than him) since Prince is a freaking musical genius which I cant say about Janet lol.

She's mostly known in english-speaking countries(australia, USA, Canada, new zeeland, the Uk), people often talk about her moreso in other countries as MJs baby sister. I've lived in several countries during my short time on this earth, and in african nations more specifically South Africa she's known as a stylish person (and dancer), in other african nations not so much. In Latin America & Europe for those who like 80s culture or were into Velvet Rope in the 90s. She's becoming more famous in the middle east because of her fiance who's an arab. Asia? Outside of Japan and perhaps the phillipine? what other countries. Obviously like any other 80s artist she might have a small fanbase in all continents, but lets not say she's that known in the world because she aint.

[Edited 10/3/12 9:32am]

wait she's engaged?

Lol yes, that's what a friend told me some days ago... I'm not 100 % sure it's true tho, but why wouldnt she marry him ? He's a freaking billionaire xD

HAPPYPERSON said:

GoldDolphin said:

I would say that Janet is on Prince's level around the world - in terms of fame obviously not in music work(slightly more famous than him) since Prince is a freaking musical genius which I cant say about Janet lol.

She's mostly known in english-speaking countries(australia, USA, Canada, new zeeland, the Uk), people often talk about her moreso in other countries as MJs baby sister. I've lived in several countries during my short time on this earth, and in african nations more specifically South Africa she's known as a stylish person (and dancer), in other african nations not so much. In Latin America & Europe for those who like 80s culture or were into Velvet Rope in the 90s. She's becoming more famous in the middle east because of her fiance who's an arab. Asia? Outside of Japan and perhaps the phillipine? what other countries. Obviously like any other 80s artist she might have a small fanbase in all continents, but lets not say she's that known in the world because she aint.

[Edited 10/3/12 9:32am]

wait she's engaged?

Well, according to the National Enquirer she is

mancabdriver said:

SynthiaRose said:

Hi Janet Lover ! Did you calm down yet.

I don't know what thought plane you're on, but it's entirely different from where my thoughts are and what I'm talking about.

The discussion is about legends, not success or big breaks.

Joe Jackson cannot make Michael a legend.

You can't make legends.

It really doesn't matter how Janet got signed, or who negotiated the contract because the only reason I cared about her and the only reason anyone else cared when she put out those pitiful "Young Love" and "Say You Do" songs where you couldn't even understand the words she sang was that she shared the bloodline of a genius, a true legend who changed music and will go down in history as an original.

Tell all your well-known details to Janet's biographer. Because it's irrelevant to this context of whether she's a legend. Oh -- and please don't make the mistake of tellign the biographer she's a legend. She's not.

Well you're a bit thick buying singles of an artist based on their last name. What shallow people do that?

Let's hope people aren't sheep like you were otherwise we will be seeing Lourdes, Blue Ivy and Paris Jackson tearing up the charts in a few years time.

Like Lisa Marie Presely, Rockwell, Solange and La Toya Jackson did

And please don't try to infer I'm an irrational fan who is going off topic i was reponding to the silly and baseless opnion you had:

We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet.

Yes i'm a Janet fan...Sherlock...We've got a sharp one here...

[Edited 10/3/12 2:33am]

Look dumbass, I can't even believe you wrote this shit that makes no sense.

To attempt sarcasm and call people "thick" when your deductions are completely unfounded makes you look like an idiot.

I never said I bought her singles or that people should follow others based on relatives. But I know simpletons have to exaggerate or else they have no points.

Anyone living when she debuted, clearly hear the singles on the radio and she performed on TV shows. But why am I explaining to you. Your goal is not logic or a healthy debate -- which I could tell from your first post which was also scattered-brained and full or improper conclusions.

You lack comprehension and will from this point on be ignored.

[Edited 10/3/12 12:17pm]

NaughtyKitty said:

HAPPYPERSON said:

wait she's engaged?

Well, according to the National Enquirer she is

hahaha that's a bs magazine tho lol... She told me she'd read it on huffingtonpost - dont know how reliable that source is either tho xD

i challenge janrt to get two other singer and try to blow away labelle, after she does that we can talk about her stomping on patti.

These same tired arguments from pressed MJ fans.

Janet has co written/written (whatever you want to call it) most of her music and has come up with the ideas behind them

This same idea about Janet would not have a record deal if not for Michael is non-sensical.

Besides having a record deal didnt make her a superstar. Her voice, her image, her dancing did.

I dont think someone can be a legend if they aren't very well known and was never particulary sucessful, even moderately, at their peak

mjscarousal said:

SEANMAN said:

You don't know about global success? Oh, I forgot for a minute who I was talking to

Janet Jackson has toured the world and has fans all over the world. America, Canada, Australia, Spain, Europe, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Africa, Asia, the Middle East... This cannot be denied.

I am probably a bigger Janet fan and collector than you are but I am not delusional either.

Internation and GLOBAL are two different things at no point was Janet ever a Global star.... she definitly is a international star... this is a discussion we have gotten into mutiple of times

"I am probably a bigger Janet fan and collector than you are"

Not even in your wildest dreams

"but I am not delusional either."

I beg to differ

"International and GLOBAL are two different things"

You're splitting hairs. Let's look at this statement for a second. It all boils down to semantics, really. International and global, when referring to a company, for instance, means something different. International is many different countries, where global is "one world". When it comes to pop stardom, the words are interchangeable. I have seen German fans cry their eyes out when meeting Janet. I have seen Asian fans going ballistic over her. Her Russian fan club created a Youtube video for her in celebration of her birthday last year. She has toured globally, and has fans in every city she's ever played in, from Africa to Spain, from Germany to the Netherlands, from the USA to Canada, from Australia to England, even in Abu Dhabi. If that isn't global, then I don't know what is.

I'm not going to get into a "Janet is" discussion with you in yet another thread.

"Janet is the very embodiment of a global superstar. Her artistic brilliance and personal appeal transcend geographic, cultural and generational boundaries." -Den Berry, Virgin Records CEO

"Janet is an icon and historic figure in our culture. She's one of those gifted artists that people look up to, that people emulate, that people want to believe in ... there's not that many superstars that stand the test of time..."-- music exec Lee Trink

Janet and Patti at the Damita Jo listening party in NYC

SEANMAN said:

Janet and Patti at the Damita Jo listening party in NYC

They both look fine Janet's smile is creeping me out a little in this pic though

SynthiaRose said:

mancabdriver said:

Well you're a bit thick buying singles of an artist based on their last name. What shallow people do that?

Let's hope people aren't sheep like you were otherwise we will be seeing Lourdes, Blue Ivy and Paris Jackson tearing up the charts in a few years time.

Like Lisa Marie Presely, Rockwell, Solange and La Toya Jackson did

And please don't try to infer I'm an irrational fan who is going off topic i was reponding to the silly and baseless opnion you had:

We're it not for Michael, we wouldn't have even known about Janet.

Yes i'm a Janet fan...Sherlock...We've got a sharp one here...

[Edited 10/3/12 2:33am]

Look dumbass, I can't even believe you wrote this shit that makes no sense.

To attempt sarcasm and call people "thick" when your deductions are completely unfounded makes you look like an idiot.

I never said I bought her singles or that people should follow others based on relatives. But I know simpletons have to exaggerate or else they have no points.

Anyone living when she debuted, clearly hear the singles on the radio and she performed on TV shows. But why am I explaining to you. Your goal is not logic or a healthy debate -- which I could tell from your first post which was also scattered-brained and full or improper conclusions.

You lack comprehension and will from this point on be ignored.

[Edited 10/3/12 12:17pm]

I see someone is making use of their thesaurus. Now if only there was a button which tells you how to use these words in their right context

aardvark15 said:

SEANMAN said:

Janet and Patti at the Damita Jo listening party in NYC

They both look fine Janet's smile is creeping me out a little in this pic though

leave janet alone...she's joking!!!

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

I dont know about global success but I do agree with your overall point

You don't know about global success? Oh, I forgot for a minute who I was talking to

Janet Jackson has toured the world and has fans all over the world. America, Canada, Australia, Spain, Europe, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Africa, Asia, the Middle East... This cannot be denied.

[Edited 10/2/12 22:05pm]

Spain, Switzerland and Netherland are all european countries...just sayin

go2theMax said:

SEANMAN said:

You don't know about global success? Oh, I forgot for a minute who I was talking to

Janet Jackson has toured the world and has fans all over the world. America, Canada, Australia, Spain, Europe, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Africa, Asia, the Middle East... This cannot be denied.

[Edited 10/2/12 22:05pm]

Spain, Switzerland and Netherland are all european countries...just sayin

LMAO!!!! Just be glad he didn't pull that shit with Africa, kind of reminds me of the time when Britney Spears said she loves touring overseas,, she gets to go to places like Canada