Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

This actually brings up a good point.... i think there should be a certain amount of time an artist is on a song to be seen as a true duet.

When a rapper comes & throws a quick verse.. and it is seen as a collab fuck that

To me a good collab is something like

Nas & Lauryn Hill- If I Ruled The World

Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield- What Have I Done To Deserve This

Ebony & Ivory- Stevie Wonder & Paul Mccartney

Those songs have both sides singing enough verses & lyrics that it gels well witht he songs harmony & sound.

Another thing that irks me is when rappers ''collab'' and a mofo come's on rapping about shit that is irrelevant to the song....

Right the song could be about someone in love and they're singing real good, then the rapper comes in about "I'm the best, I fuck yo bitch" or something like that and it fucks the song up.

That is the damn truth

And now they got rappers like big sean collabing with justin bieber there is no one rappers won't collab with

^ Sad is the heyday is over yet the industry is in denial these days.

But anyway, like I said, this is not a record.

Timmy84 said:

^ Sad is the heyday is over yet the industry is in denial these days.

But anyway, like I said, this is not a record.

i Saw some interview with Mac Miller where he said he asked for a Wayne verse. And Wayne did it, sent it in & he mac mixed it himself. So they didn't even meet to do it! i think that is proly how he get's so many collabs going.

If you are not in studio together what is the point?

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Sad is the heyday is over yet the industry is in denial these days.

But anyway, like I said, this is not a record.

i Saw some interview with Mac Miller where he said he asked for a Wayne verse. And Wayne did it, sent it in & he mac mixed it himself. So they didn't even meet to do it! i think that is proly how he get's so many collabs going.

If you are not in studio together what is the point?

That's usually how it's done I heard. I know that's how Wayne does it and I think a few other rappers/singers have done it too. Add a verse or a lyric and have an engineer mix it to make it a "featuring"...

NaughtyKitty said:

Thanks Timmy for your info! So basically this article is much ado about nothing. But hey, "journalism" today is all about creating headlines--not reporting factually correct news Wouldnt be surprised if his record label had something to do with this actually--they may be the ones responsible for getting this press release out.

This article from MTV.com explains it better:

Though the "Glee" cast has totaled 204 entries on the Hot 100 since 2009, Wayne holds the artist title, mostly thanks to his many, many features on other peoples' songs. In fact, only 39 percent (42) of the rapper's solo hits account for his total, with the other 61 percent (67) made up of his features on songs by pals including Juvenile, Destiny's Child and Birdman. Presley, on the other hand, was listed as the lead artist on all 108 of his chart hits and he still holds the title for most Hot 100 entries by a lead solo artist. For now, he's easily ahead of the artists behind him, which include James Brown (91), Aretha Franklin (73) and Ray Charles (72).

Presley might easily have sealed the crown forever had some of his biggest hits not been released before the Hot 100 chart was established. According to Billboard, Elvis had 31 songs on the pre-Hot 100 chart between 1956-1958, including such smashes as "Heartbreak Hotel," "Don't Be Cruel" and "Hound Dog."

Presley's reign lasted from the time the Hot 100 was established on August 4, 1958 through October 4, 2003, while Wayne managed to pass the king's total over 13 years and three months, with his first charting song hitting the week of July 10, 1999, when he was just 18. The recogniation of Wayne's new high-water mark comes on the rapper's 30th birthday, which he is celebrating today. The only other contemporary artist on the list is Jay-Z, who clocked in at #8 with 71 charting singles.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...sley.jhtml

And from Wikipedia:

On the week ending November 12, 1955, Billboard published The Top 100 for the first time. The Best Sellers In Stores, Most Played By Jockeys and Most Played In Jukeboxes charts continued to be published concurrently with the new Top 100 chart....

On August 4, 1958, Billboard premiered one main all-genre singles chart: the Hot 100. Although similar to the Top 100, the first Hot 100 chart reset all songs’ "weeks on chart" status to "1". The Hot 100 quickly became the industry standard and Billboard discontinued the Best Sellers In Stores chart on October 13, 1958.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...rd_Hot_100

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Even if they included the 31 other songs, the record is still not safe. Wayne would be on 30+ more singles by the end of next year so it wouldn't mater.

He's also currently on singles with 2Chainz, Keisha Cole, and Juicy J. Not sure if those are included yet.

^ It still don't count mane.

Timmy84 said:

^ It still don't count mane.

Bands A Make Her Dance!

Gunsnhalen said:

If you are not in studio together what is the point?

Many songs of the past were not recorded together. Like Get It by Stevie Wonder & Michael Jackson. There's an album by Minnie Riperton called Love Lives Forever where they took Minnie's vocals and had musicians and singers overdub their parts. Some of the Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell duets were not recorded together. In some cases Marvin's voice was overdubbed on pre-recorded Tammi solo songs. Pre-multitrack recording, songs had to be recorded live with everyone in the same room. Multi-tracks made it possible to have people record things separately, punch in parts to fix mistakes, one man bands, effects, etc.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

^ It still don't count mane.

Bands A Make Her Dance!

Uh...OK.

eh, means absolutely nothing to me, except that every crappy song on the charts these days has "Feat." in the title

This is BULLSH*T.

This is a little off topic but back in the day i couldn't wait to get the latest edition of Rolling Stone or Billboard magazine to check the chart positions of my favorite artists. If i remember correctly, in addition to chart position Billboard would show how many units a album sold. Man i use to love reading that stuff.

A few years back i read a magazine that showed the chart positions of current artist and i think i had heard maybe 15 of the top 50 songs and maybe 5 of the top 50 albums. I just can't relate to most pop music anymore.

As far as lil wayne supposedly topping elvis.

Excuse freaking Lil'Wayne.....oops, I mean Lil'Wendy, but Mariah Carey took down one of Elvis' billiboard records a long time ago.

TonyVanDam said:

Excuse freaking Lil'Wayne.....oops, I mean Lil'Wendy, but Mariah Carey took down one of Elvis' billiboard records a long time ago.

- Mariah Carey achieved 18#1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100, breaking the previous record for most chart toppers by a solo artist during the rock era held by Elvis with 17 (combining his pre-Hot 100 toppers as well)

- Madonna achieved 38 top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100, breaking the previous record held by Elvis.

- Jay Z achieved 12 Billboard 200 album #1s, topping Elvis' record of 10 for most #1 albums by a solo artist. Bruce Springsteen is about to pass Elvis as well in the near future.

- Lil Wayne achieved 109 chart entries in 13 years on the Hot 100, breaking Elvis' total for most Hot 100 entries by a solo artist. The Glee cast has charted 204 titles since 2009.

There are quite a number of Elvis billboard chart record that have been broken recently.

NaughtyKitty said:

Lil Wayne tops Elvis Presley's Billboard record

NEW YORK (AP) — Lil Wayne is not only making rap history, he's making rock 'n roll history: the rapper has surpassed Elvis Presleyas the leading male with the most entries on Billboard's Hot 100 chart.

Lil Wayne now has 109 songs on that chart with Thursday's debut of Game's song "Celebration," where he is a guest alongside Chris Brown, Tyga and Wiz Khalifa. Of his 109 charted songs, only 42 are led by Lil Wayne; 67 are songs where he is the featured act.

Thursday is the rapper's 30th birthday.

Presley totaled 108 songs on the Hot 100 since it launched in 1958. Presley's career kicked off before that and several of his songs — like " Heartbreak Hotel" — could not be included in his total number.

The "Glee" cast has the most Hot 100 entries with 204.

http://news.yahoo.com/lil...32088.html

Well its insanity for them to EQUATE an artist doing all the lead stuff as to What Wayne has done on 75% of his music, which is be a guest that sings a hook line and thats it. AS for GLEE i dont count anyone that releases covers as part of THEIR work overall, so ALL of the entries are FAKES.

Why couldn't early Elvis songs be included? Is it because they weren't released as singles?

I just have to have faith that people can differentiate between someone releasing a song and somone guesting on one.

Billboard, fold please.

lastdecember said:

i dont count anyone that releases covers as part of THEIR work overall

Didn't older acts like Frank Sinatra & Johnny Mathis generally record a lot of covers? Many of Whitney Houston's hits were remakes of lesser known songs.

lastdecember said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Lil Wayne tops Elvis Presley's Billboard record

NEW YORK (AP) — Lil Wayne is not only making rap history, he's making rock 'n roll history: the rapper has surpassed Elvis Presleyas the leading male with the most entries on Billboard's Hot 100 chart.

Lil Wayne now has 109 songs on that chart with Thursday's debut of Game's song "Celebration," where he is a guest alongside Chris Brown, Tyga and Wiz Khalifa. Of his 109 charted songs, only 42 are led by Lil Wayne; 67 are songs where he is the featured act.

Thursday is the rapper's 30th birthday.

Presley totaled 108 songs on the Hot 100 since it launched in 1958. Presley's career kicked off before that and several of his songs — like " Heartbreak Hotel" — could not be included in his total number.

The "Glee" cast has the most Hot 100 entries with 204.

http://news.yahoo.com/lil...32088.html

Well its insanity for them to EQUATE an artist doing all the lead stuff as to What Wayne has done on 75% of his music, which is be a guest that sings a hook line and thats it. AS for GLEE i dont count anyone that releases covers as part of THEIR work overall, so ALL of the entries are FAKES.

On most of his guest work, you'll listen that his parts are a central parts of these songs. Listen to Fat Joe's Make it Rain or Playaz Circle's Duffle Bag Boy.

You also have to take account of the fact that Wayne's style, flow and street credibility adds strong value and, usually, visibility to these songs.

Hip Hip pionnered a new way to market artists. You are featured on an artist's song, then it's the other around, so you can extends your audience by tipping on each other's (See Katy Perry adding Kanye or Snoop on her songs). Then, you create your crew and market new artists, usually through your own record company, on which you'll be featured ( see Lil Wayne with Drake or Minaj).

It's just a new way to market yourself in the music business.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it's the end of the world...if you believe the media.

Elvis still had about 20 (or maybe even 30) entries on Billboard's Top 100. I can't believe they're being dismissed like that. People who write these articles shouldn't be trusted.

Wake up people. Besides, all of Elvis' songs were by him as a LEADING artist.

Most of Wayne's was as a GUEST artist.

So again, don't believe the hype.

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I'm pretty sure I read the information you just posted on a website which also posted that Lil Wayne had topped Elvis' record.

It's being mentioned, but I guess most people only read headlines.

NaughtyKitty said:

And Into the Groove never charted?!?!?!!!!

It was never actually a single (at least in the US), just like Stevie Wonder's Isn't She Lovely wasn't released as a single. Back then the chart was mostly based on sales of 45s, not airplay like today. It couldn't chart if there wasn't a single to buy. A B-side of a single could chart though. Some of The Beatles 45s were double sided hits.

speeddemon said:

lastdecember said:

Well its insanity for them to EQUATE an artist doing all the lead stuff as to What Wayne has done on 75% of his music, which is be a guest that sings a hook line and thats it. AS for GLEE i dont count anyone that releases covers as part of THEIR work overall, so ALL of the entries are FAKES.

On most of his guest work, you'll listen that his parts are a central parts of these songs. Listen to Fat Joe's Make it Rain or Playaz Circle's Duffle Bag Boy.

You also have to take account of the fact that Wayne's style, flow and street credibility adds strong value and, usually, visibility to these songs.

Hip Hip pionnered a new way to market artists. You are featured on an artist's song, then it's the other around, so you can extends your audience by tipping on each other's (See Katy Perry adding Kanye or Snoop on her songs). Then, you create your crew and market new artists, usually through your own record company, on which you'll be featured ( see Lil Wayne with Drake or Minaj).

It's just a new way to market yourself in the music business.

But with that being said if the "marketing" has changed than the ways of tracking the marketing changes too. TO me if Nicki Minaj has 30 number ones and 28 of them are as a person that sings just the chorus, thats bogus, regardless of what the fan thinks, meaning we dont know why a person buys a song if its for the hook or lead singer etc...

I understand all the changes but i cant equate someone singing just a piece of the song especially when ALOT of songs that have a rap artist on them are also released without the rapper on it, Mariah Carey is famous for this since most her fans hate her collabos as we see proof of that now.

Back then if you guested on a record as a backing musician, you were hardly credited. The Beatles' "Get Back" was a different story since in England, Billy Preston was credited as a performer though he just played keyboards on it. But it was not credited as a hit single for Billy in the US, especially on the music chart magazines Billboard, Cashbox and Record World. Billboard changes their terminology so much it makes your head spin...

Timmy84 said:

Back then if you guested on a record as a backing musician, you were hardly credited. The Beatles' "Get Back" was a different story since in England, Billy Preston was credited as a performer though he just played keyboards on it. But it was not credited as a hit single for Billy in the US, especially on the music chart magazines Billboard, Cashbox and Record World. Billboard changes their terminology so much it makes your head spin...

Yeah i mean if Billboard even expects to be taken seriously, they have to change the accounting of this. Now i am far from an Elvis Fan by any means, but i cant seriously call these entries by Lil Wayne serious being a guest on well more than half almost 75%, also the DIGITAL AGE now when every song is 99-1.29 on itunes so you can chart your whole album as singles in one shot, which is another JOKE and for another thread, Billboard has so many insane rules that they never alter, they now have 60+ charts which is another reason i cant take them serious at all.

So if this "stayed" as the rule than if Kim Kardashian started singing or talking on everyones HITS than she would be a serious chart player?

[Edited 9/29/12 17:49pm]

Not surprised at all, his vocal wizardry and thoughtful lyricism have defined the charts for several years now. I enjoy his ability to rap about issues that have meaning to me, like parties, candy and Optimus Prime. Even his mere guest vocals enhance a track- for example, Kevin Rudolph's 'Let It Rock' was starting to make too much sense until Weezy came along and injected his refreshing tangent into the proceedings. My initial thought was "this has nothing to do with the song and he seems illiterate", until I realized that it wasn't just underpreparedness and winging it in the studio while hoping for the best, but instead that stream of consciousness was purposeful estorecism designed to make a statement about radio even as it redefined our expectations of it. The man wears a guitar as a necklace, so he must know what he's talking about. He's perhaps the most significant artist I've heard since Puddle of Mudd.

spacedolphin said:

Not surprised at all, his vocal wizardry and thoughtful lyricism have defined the charts for several years now. I enjoy his ability to rap about issues that have meaning to me, like parties, candy and Optimus Prime. Even his mere guest vocals enhance a track- for example, Kevin Rudolph's 'Let It Rock' was starting to make too much sense until Weezy came along and injected his refreshing tangent into the proceedings. My initial thought was "this has nothing to do with the song and he seems illiterate", until I realized that it wasn't just underpreparedness and winging it in the studio while hoping for the best, but instead that stream of consciousness was purposeful estorecism designed to make a statement about radio even as it redefined our expectations of it. The man wears a guitar as a necklace, so he must know what he's talking about. He's perhaps the most significant artist I've heard since Puddle of Mudd.

MickyDolenz said:

NaughtyKitty said:

And Into the Groove never charted?!?!?!!!!

It was never actually a single (at least in the US), just like Stevie Wonder's Isn't She Lovely wasn't released as a single. Back then the chart was mostly based on sales of 45s, not airplay like today. It couldn't chart if there wasn't a single to buy. A B-side of a single could chart though. Some of The Beatles 45s were double sided hits.

Here is something very important you just pointed out.

Until November 1969, 2 sides of the same single could chart separately on the Billboard Hot 100, which explains that before the advent of the digital age, the highest charting artists on the hot 100 were mostly pre-1970's acts ( Elvis, Aretha, James Brown, Ray Charles,...).

That's another discrepency that shows that chart records have to always be contextualize.

If the rule applied for , let's say, Madonna, who's charted 56 chart entries under the new rules, she would have certainly pass Elvis' record once her B-sides charted separately.

It's not like he's the main artist on most of them

Some b-sides charted then. But it's said if a b-side attracted as much attention or even more attention than the a-side, it would get played too. Certain artists who had album tracks played in the '70s and '80s could've benefitted from a double-sided charted hit if Billboard hadn't changed that rule in 1969. Elvis benefitted from this more than a lot of artists because radio disk jockeys found the b-side was just as popular as the a-side, so it would be later released as double-A sided. Before the end of the 20th century, they counted Elvis' "Hound Dog" and "Don't Be Cruel" as number-one hits based off of their multiple charts. The pop chart had about three or four different charts. Billboard now tries to claim those two were from a separate single but that's not entirely accurate.