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Lil Wayne Tops Elvis Presley's Billboard Record

Lil Wayne tops Elvis Presley's Billboard record


NEW YORK (AP) — Lil Wayne is not only making rap history, he's making rock 'n roll history: the rapper has surpassed Elvis Presleyas the leading male with the most entries on Billboard's Hot 100 chart.

Lil Wayne now has 109 songs on that chart with Thursday's debut of Game's song "Celebration," where he is a guest alongside Chris Brown, Tyga and Wiz Khalifa. Of his 109 charted songs, only 42 are led by Lil Wayne; 67 are songs where he is the featured act.

Thursday is the rapper's 30th birthday.

Presley totaled 108 songs on the Hot 100 since it launched in 1958. Presley's career kicked off before that and several of his songs — like " Heartbreak Hotel" — could not be included in his total number.

The "Glee" cast has the most Hot 100 entries with 204.

http://news.yahoo.com/lil...32088.html

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Reply #1 posted 09/27/12 6:46am

alphastreet

it's the end of the world as we know it

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Reply #2 posted 09/27/12 7:10am

Stymie

alphastreet said:

it's the end of the world as we know it

my exact thought.

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Reply #3 posted 09/27/12 7:11am

alphastreet

let it rock, let it rock, LET IT RAWWWWKKKK!!!!

It's wayne's world, planet rock!

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Reply #4 posted 09/27/12 7:30am

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alphastreet said:

it's the end of the world as we know it


This is what Michael had to say in response to this news:

lol

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Reply #5 posted 09/27/12 7:31am

Timmy84

Yeah it's the end of the world...if you believe the media. bored2

Elvis still had about 20 (or maybe even 30) entries on Billboard's Top 100. I can't believe they're being dismissed like that. People who write these articles shouldn't be trusted.


Wake up people. Besides, all of Elvis' songs were by him as a LEADING artist.

Most of Wayne's was as a GUEST artist.

So again, don't believe the hype. peace!

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Timmy84 said:

Yeah it's the end of the world...if you believe the media. bored2

Elvis still had about 20 (or maybe even 30) entries on Billboard's Top 100. I can't believe they're being dismissed like that. People who write these articles shouldn't be trusted.


Wake up people. Besides, all of Elvis' songs were by him as a LEADING artist.

Most of Wayne's was as a GUEST artist.

So again, don't believe the hype. peace!

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I shouldnt be trusted? I didnt write the article! lol

EDIT: Nevermind I see you fixed it. lol

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Reply #7 posted 09/27/12 7:36am

Timmy84

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it's the end of the world...if you believe the media. bored2

Elvis still had about 20 (or maybe even 30) entries on Billboard's Top 100. I can't believe they're being dismissed like that. People who write these articles shouldn't be trusted.


Wake up people. Besides, all of Elvis' songs were by him as a LEADING artist.

Most of Wayne's was as a GUEST artist.

So again, don't believe the hype. peace!

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I shouldnt be trusted? I didnt write the article! lol

EDIT: Nevermind I see you fixed it. lol

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lol

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Reply #8 posted 09/27/12 7:43am

Timmy84

If you add in Elvis' 30 other charted singles from the Top 100, it's actually 138, not 108. 108 is his number for the Billboard Hot 100. They should re-add them, not dismiss them. You don't see them doing R&B artists like that, do ya? Oh wait, yes they do, since the R&B chart was reinstated in '65. Silly me. neutral Billboard confuses me sometimes...

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Timmy84 said:

If you add in Elvis' 30 other charted singles from the Top 100, it's actually 138, not 108. 108 is his number for the Billboard Hot 100. They should re-add them, not dismiss them. You don't see them doing R&B artists like that, do ya? Oh wait, yes they do, since the R&B chart was reinstated in '65. Silly me. neutral Billboard confuses me sometimes...

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hmmm Interesting. Thanks Timmy! I admit i dont really follow Billboard that much so I dont know about Elvis's numbers or Lil Waynes numbers or etc. And Billboard has too many charts lol. So Lil Wayne has 109 entries in the HOT 100 chart, but Elvis still has more entries in the Top 100 chart?

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Reply #10 posted 09/27/12 7:58am

Timmy84

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

If you add in Elvis' 30 other charted singles from the Top 100, it's actually 138, not 108. 108 is his number for the Billboard Hot 100. They should re-add them, not dismiss them. You don't see them doing R&B artists like that, do ya? Oh wait, yes they do, since the R&B chart was reinstated in '65. Silly me. neutral Billboard confuses me sometimes...

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hmmm Interesting. Thanks Timmy! I admit i dont really follow Billboard that much so I dont know about Elvis's numbers or Lil Waynes numbers or etc. And Billboard has too many charts lol. So Lil Wayne has 109 entries in the HOT 100 chart, but Elvis still has more entries in the Top 100 chart?

Yeah he first charted back with "Heartbreak Hotel" in 1956. His singles also charted in either the country charts (going back to 1955) and then on the Jukebox and Best-Seller's Lists (Country, Pop and R&B) until those charts were obsolete in 1958. Then he had about 31 entries before the arrival of the Billboard Hot 100 (or Billboard Pop) in August of 1958, in which by then he had already scored about seven number-one hits. His first "Hot 100" number-one was 1959's "A Big Hunk O' Love". He had a total of 11 number-ones on the "Hot 100", which if you had taken away the Top 100 number-ones altogether, the Supremes topped him. How's that for irony? Also Billboard keeps stating that he didn't have two number-one hits with "Hound Dog" and "Don't Be Cruel", even going so far to claim because it made number two on the Top 100 that that makes it #2... uh no, the song topped the Billboard's Pop Best Seller's List for the first five weeks while "Don't Be Cruel" ruled the next six weeks, altogether both songs combined stayed at number one for eleven weeks and Joel Whitburn and EPE (Elvis Presley Enterprises) are still opinionating that that means that Elvis indeed still has 18 number-ones instead of 17 (which makes Billboard's statement of Mariah Carey topping him suspicious).

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Reply #11 posted 09/27/12 8:04am

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Apples......meet oranges.

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Thanks Timmy for your info! thumbs up! So basically this article is much ado about nothing. But hey, "journalism" today is all about creating headlines--not reporting factually correct news bored2 Wouldnt be surprised if his record label had something to do with this actually--they may be the ones responsible for getting this press release out.

This article from MTV.com explains it better:

Though the "Glee" cast has totaled 204 entries on the Hot 100 since 2009, Wayne holds the artist title, mostly thanks to his many, many features on other peoples' songs. In fact, only 39 percent (42) of the rapper's solo hits account for his total, with the other 61 percent (67) made up of his features on songs by pals including Juvenile, Destiny's Child and Birdman. Presley, on the other hand, was listed as the lead artist on all 108 of his chart hits and he still holds the title for most Hot 100 entries by a lead solo artist. For now, he's easily ahead of the artists behind him, which include James Brown (91), Aretha Franklin (73) and Ray Charles (72).

Presley might easily have sealed the crown forever had some of his biggest hits not been released before the Hot 100 chart was established. According to Billboard, Elvis had 31 songs on the pre-Hot 100 chart between 1956-1958, including such smashes as "Heartbreak Hotel," "Don't Be Cruel" and "Hound Dog."

Presley's reign lasted from the time the Hot 100 was established on August 4, 1958 through October 4, 2003, while Wayne managed to pass the king's total over 13 years and three months, with his first charting song hitting the week of July 10, 1999, when he was just 18. The recogniation of Wayne's new high-water mark comes on the rapper's 30th birthday, which he is celebrating today. The only other contemporary artist on the list is Jay-Z, who clocked in at #8 with 71 charting singles.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...sley.jhtml

And from Wikipedia:

On the week ending November 12, 1955, Billboard published The Top 100 for the first time. The Best Sellers In Stores, Most Played By Jockeys and Most Played In Jukeboxes charts continued to be published concurrently with the new Top 100 chart....

On August 4, 1958, Billboard premiered one main all-genre singles chart: the Hot 100. Although similar to the Top 100, the first Hot 100 chart reset all songs’ "weeks on chart" status to "1". The Hot 100 quickly became the industry standard and Billboard discontinued the Best Sellers In Stores chart on October 13, 1958.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...rd_Hot_100


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Timmy84

NaughtyKitty said:

Thanks Timmy for your info! thumbs up! So basically this article is much ado about nothing. But hey, "journalism" today is all about creating headlines--not reporting factually correct news bored2

This article from MTV.com explains it better:

Though the "Glee" cast has totaled 204 entries on the Hot 100 since 2009, Wayne holds the artist title, mostly thanks to his many, many features on other peoples' songs. In fact, only 39 percent (42) of the rapper's solo hits account for his total, with the other 61 percent (67) made up of his features on songs by pals including Juvenile, Destiny's Child and Birdman. Presley, on the other hand, was listed as the lead artist on all 108 of his chart hits and he still holds the title for most Hot 100 entries by a lead solo artist. For now, he's easily ahead of the artists behind him, which include James Brown (91), Aretha Franklin (73) and Ray Charles (72).

Presley might easily have sealed the crown forever had some of his biggest hits not been released before the Hot 100 chart was established. According to Billboard, Elvis had 31 songs on the pre-Hot 100 chart between 1956-1958, including such smashes as "Heartbreak Hotel," "Don't Be Cruel" and "Hound Dog."

Presley's reign lasted from the time the Hot 100 was established on August 4, 1958 through October 4, 2003, while Wayne managed to pass the king's total over 13 years and three months, with his first charting song hitting the week of July 10, 1999, when he was just 18. The recogniation of Wayne's new high-water mark comes on the rapper's 30th birthday, which he is celebrating today. The only other contemporary artist on the list is Jay-Z, who clocked in at #8 with 71 charting singles.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...sley.jhtml

And from Wikipedia:

On the week ending November 12, 1955, Billboard published The Top 100 for the first time. The Best Sellers In Stores, Most Played By Jockeys and Most Played In Jukeboxes charts continued to be published concurrently with the new Top 100 chart....

On August 4, 1958, Billboard premiered one main all-genre singles chart: the Hot 100. Although similar to the Top 100, the first Hot 100 chart reset all songs’ "weeks on chart" status to "1". The Hot 100 quickly became the industry standard and Billboard discontinued the Best Sellers In Stores chart on October 13, 1958.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...rd_Hot_100


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And there you have it. So Wayne's "accomplishment" is not so much to be celebratory about. The fact that Elvis had that many singles as a leading artist when you talk about it in 2012 is an amazing feat but people nowadays just celebrate anybody with a big number without really doing any research. That's the danger with the media. Glee don't even count because it's a show and the songs only charted for marketing reasons. And as we know, Wayne has had more entries as a guest artist then a leading artist. Same can be said about Jay-Z too.

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alphastreet

NaughtyKitty said:

alphastreet said:

it's the end of the world as we know it


This is what Michael had to say in response to this news:

lol

*faints*

lil wayne is an angel like angela, I'll leave him alone wink

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Reply #15 posted 09/27/12 8:38am

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Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Thanks Timmy for your info! thumbs up! So basically this article is much ado about nothing. But hey, "journalism" today is all about creating headlines--not reporting factually correct news bored2

This article from MTV.com explains it better:

Though the "Glee" cast has totaled 204 entries on the Hot 100 since 2009, Wayne holds the artist title, mostly thanks to his many, many features on other peoples' songs. In fact, only 39 percent (42) of the rapper's solo hits account for his total, with the other 61 percent (67) made up of his features on songs by pals including Juvenile, Destiny's Child and Birdman. Presley, on the other hand, was listed as the lead artist on all 108 of his chart hits and he still holds the title for most Hot 100 entries by a lead solo artist. For now, he's easily ahead of the artists behind him, which include James Brown (91), Aretha Franklin (73) and Ray Charles (72).

Presley might easily have sealed the crown forever had some of his biggest hits not been released before the Hot 100 chart was established. According to Billboard, Elvis had 31 songs on the pre-Hot 100 chart between 1956-1958, including such smashes as "Heartbreak Hotel," "Don't Be Cruel" and "Hound Dog."

Presley's reign lasted from the time the Hot 100 was established on August 4, 1958 through October 4, 2003, while Wayne managed to pass the king's total over 13 years and three months, with his first charting song hitting the week of July 10, 1999, when he was just 18. The recogniation of Wayne's new high-water mark comes on the rapper's 30th birthday, which he is celebrating today. The only other contemporary artist on the list is Jay-Z, who clocked in at #8 with 71 charting singles.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...sley.jhtml

And from Wikipedia:


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And there you have it. So Wayne's "accomplishment" is not so much to be celebratory about. The fact that Elvis had that many singles as a leading artist when you talk about it in 2012 is an amazing feat but people nowadays just celebrate anybody with a big number without really doing any research. That's the danger with the media. Glee don't even count because it's a show and the songs only charted for marketing reasons. And as we know, Wayne has had more entries as a guest artist then a leading artist. Same can be said about Jay-Z too.

nod ITA. And Glee shouldnt even count! mad

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Billboard has changed it's ranking methodology soooooo many times over the years that it's impossible to compare artists' acheivments from different eras. Into The Groove never even charted but would probably have been a number 1 hit if the rules were different. Same with Don't Speak by No Doubt.

Plus there are so many other variables...easier access to buying music, cheap mp3 singles, teenagers with i-phones, songs being cross-promoted with advertisements, the internet, etc.

"Keep in mind that I'm an artist...and I'm sensitive about my shit."--E. Badu
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MidniteMagnet said:

Billboard has changed it's ranking methodology soooooo many times over the years that it's impossible to compare artists' acheivments from different eras. Into The Groove never even charted but would probably have been a number 1 hit if the rules were different. Same with Don't Speak by No Doubt.

Plus there are so many other variables...easier access to buying music, cheap mp3 singles, teenagers with i-phones, songs being cross-promoted with advertisements, the internet, etc.

Yes, that's all very true. And Into the Groove never charted?!?!?!!!! eek

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Reply #18 posted 09/27/12 9:01am

mjscarousal

Even if this was true.... I still really wouldnt care.... lol

Why do yall care about Billboards?

Billboards can kiss my ass, anything they say is IRRELEVANT razz

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Reply #19 posted 09/27/12 9:12am

alphastreet

mjscarousal said:

Even if this was true.... I still really wouldnt care.... lol

Why do yall care about Billboards?

Billboards can kiss my ass, anything they say is IRRELEVANT razz

they are a punchline that make me laugh, I stopped taking them seriously years ago

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Reply #20 posted 09/27/12 9:51am

Empress

mjscarousal said:

Even if this was true.... I still really wouldnt care.... lol

Why do yall care about Billboards?

Billboards can kiss my ass, anything they say is IRRELEVANT razz

I tend to agree with this statement (i.e. Katy Perry), but I can't help but feel sick when I read this. It goes to show the mentality and musical taste of the people buying this crap. They wouldn't have a clue what good music really is.

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I really wish I could blame Billboard but I can't because Billboard isn't a person. It's numbers tallied from how many fans purchase an artist's songs and/or albums. I don't even want to stop to figure out how they come up with their little polls because at the end of the day, a fan can download (1) Lil Wayne song 100 times and that gives him 100 hits instead of just one like it should be counted because it was just one fan doing the purchase. Same with album sells whether digital or hardcopy purchase. A fan can go to Target, Walmart, Best Buy, wherever and buy 50 copies of their favorite artist's album and they count it as 50 units sold instead of counting the sale as one purchase by one individual. You can only vote for the President once so I'm just sayin' if they used SS# when albums were purchased than most of these big selling artist wouldn't be shit. That would be scary so I hope it never happens lol After seeing videos of fans buying multiple copies of an artist's album so that artist could debut at number 1 on the Billboard Top 100, I stopped paying attention to these little charts because they are inaccurate and flawed. Plus, to even count Glee on this chart is ridiculous because they only do covers of songs and they do more than one cover per episode. Elvis didn't do covers or collabos to get his title so as far as I'm concerned he's still the reigning king in the most entries on the Billboard Top 100. Just my twocents

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Reply #22 posted 09/27/12 10:33am

alphastreet

Hey Weezy,

I WISH I COULD BE....COOL AS YOUUUUUUU!!!!

not!

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Reply #23 posted 09/27/12 11:46am

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estelle81 said:

I really wish I could blame Billboard but I can't because Billboard isn't a person. It's numbers tallied from how many fans purchase an artist's songs and/or albums. I don't even want to stop to figure out how they come up with their little polls because at the end of the day, a fan can download (1) Lil Wayne song 100 times and that gives him 100 hits instead of just one like it should be counted because it was just one fan doing the purchase. Same with album sells whether digital or hardcopy purchase. A fan can go to Target, Walmart, Best Buy, wherever and buy 50 copies of their favorite artist's album and they count it as 50 units sold instead of counting the sale as one purchase by one individual. You can only vote for the President once so I'm just sayin' if they used SS# when albums were purchased than most of these big selling artist wouldn't be shit. That would be scary so I hope it never happens lol After seeing videos of fans buying multiple copies of an artist's album so that artist could debut at number 1 on the Billboard Top 100, I stopped paying attention to these little charts because they are inaccurate and flawed. Plus, to even count Glee on this chart is ridiculous because they only do covers of songs and they do more than one cover per episode. Elvis didn't do covers or collabos to get his title so as far as I'm concerned he's still the reigning king in the most entries on the Billboard Top 100. Just my twocents

Elvis did plenty of covers and didn't write any of his 108 charted titles, unlike Lil Wayne who always had a writing input in his songs.

You also forgot to tell that he charted 109 titles on the Hot 100 in only 13 years, unlike Elvis' 45 years.

As a matter of fact, it's always a matter of how you interpret a record. A chart record has always to be put into context.

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speeddemon said:

estelle81 said:

I really wish I could blame Billboard but I can't because Billboard isn't a person. It's numbers tallied from how many fans purchase an artist's songs and/or albums. I don't even want to stop to figure out how they come up with their little polls because at the end of the day, a fan can download (1) Lil Wayne song 100 times and that gives him 100 hits instead of just one like it should be counted because it was just one fan doing the purchase. Same with album sells whether digital or hardcopy purchase. A fan can go to Target, Walmart, Best Buy, wherever and buy 50 copies of their favorite artist's album and they count it as 50 units sold instead of counting the sale as one purchase by one individual. You can only vote for the President once so I'm just sayin' if they used SS# when albums were purchased than most of these big selling artist wouldn't be shit. That would be scary so I hope it never happens lol After seeing videos of fans buying multiple copies of an artist's album so that artist could debut at number 1 on the Billboard Top 100, I stopped paying attention to these little charts because they are inaccurate and flawed. Plus, to even count Glee on this chart is ridiculous because they only do covers of songs and they do more than one cover per episode. Elvis didn't do covers or collabos to get his title so as far as I'm concerned he's still the reigning king in the most entries on the Billboard Top 100. Just my twocents

Elvis did plenty of covers and didn't write any of his 108 charted titles, unlike Lil Wayne who always had a writing input in his songs.

You also forgot to tell that he charted 109 titles on the Hot 100 in only 13 years, unlike Elvis' 45 years.

As a matter of fact, it's always a matter of how you interpret a record. A chart record has always to be put into context.

I definitely stand corrected on that statement about Elvis not doing covers..my apologies. However, to see that Lil Wayne is going to gain this title after seeing that the majortity of the 109 songs aren't even really his isn't very fair either. If 67 of the songs are just him doing a few lyrics in the middle than I can only praise the man for being a smart businessman by keeping his name out there to help sell his own music. The only artist I credit with a song is the lead artist obviously Billboard sees things differently shrug . Since remixes have become such a prominent thing in the music industry in the past 2 or so decades, I don't feel it's fair to give credit when a guest artist is only added during a later session and is only on 5% of the song. He does write some clever lyrics on his guest spots but they are still just guest spots at the end of the day. I'd rather see his name on this poll over 'The Cast of Glee' anyday because at least he's an artist and not a TV show; but, for this title, I feel that they should just count the 42 songs that are actually his. JMHO.

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Sunset: April 21, 2016
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"My Creativity Is My Life." ~ Prince

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Reply #25 posted 09/27/12 12:11pm

novabrkr

biggrin

He is officially the "King" now, obviously.

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Reply #26 posted 09/27/12 1:04pm

Gunsnhalen

Eh, these are just numbers lol

Honestly half the songs Wayne is featured on are big for a minute... then never heard from again lol

And The Glee cast beat The Beatles & everyone else for most hot 100 entries... but i doubt Glee version of songs are going to be played out on radio 10 years from now.

So anytime a ''record'' is beat.. no sense to get go crazy to me it's just numbers. And records are meant to be broken

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Reply #27 posted 09/27/12 1:04pm

Timmy84

Please. He ain't got a title. ohgoon lol

I don't recall anyone saying Elvis didn't do covers either. lol But they're still his and also, he didn't need any guests to boost his singles like people do for Wayne. lol

I get it, he's a moneymaker and all, but guest appearances don't really count unless the song was an actual duet and how many real rap/R&B/pop hybrid songs are really duets anyway?

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Reply #28 posted 09/27/12 1:14pm

Gunsnhalen

Timmy84 said:

Please. He ain't got a title. ohgoon lol

I don't recall anyone saying Elvis didn't do covers either. lol But they're still his and also, he didn't need any guests to boost his singles like people do for Wayne. lol

I get it, he's a moneymaker and all, but guest appearances don't really count unless the song was an actual duet and how many real rap/R&B/pop hybrid songs are really duets anyway?

This actually brings up a good point.... i think there should be a certain amount of time an artist is on a song to be seen as a true duet.

When a rapper comes & throws a quick verse.. and it is seen as a collab fuck that lol

To me a good collab is something like

Nas & Lauryn Hill- If I Ruled The World

Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield- What Have I Done To Deserve This

Ebony & Ivory- Stevie Wonder & Paul Mccartney

Those songs have both sides singing enough verses & lyrics that it gels well witht he songs harmony & sound.

Another thing that irks me is when rappers ''collab'' and a mofo come's on rapping about shit that is irrelevant to the song.... rolleyes

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Reply #29 posted 09/27/12 1:16pm

Timmy84

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Please. He ain't got a title. ohgoon lol

I don't recall anyone saying Elvis didn't do covers either. lol But they're still his and also, he didn't need any guests to boost his singles like people do for Wayne. lol

I get it, he's a moneymaker and all, but guest appearances don't really count unless the song was an actual duet and how many real rap/R&B/pop hybrid songs are really duets anyway?

This actually brings up a good point.... i think there should be a certain amount of time an artist is on a song to be seen as a true duet.

When a rapper comes & throws a quick verse.. and it is seen as a collab fuck that lol

To me a good collab is something like

Nas & Lauryn Hill- If I Ruled The World

Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield- What Have I Done To Deserve This

Ebony & Ivory- Stevie Wonder & Paul Mccartney

Those songs have both sides singing enough verses & lyrics that it gels well witht he songs harmony & sound.

Another thing that irks me is when rappers ''collab'' and a mofo come's on rapping about shit that is irrelevant to the song.... rolleyes

Right the song could be about someone in love and they're singing real good, then the rapper comes in about "I'm the best, I fuck yo bitch" or something like that and it fucks the song up. lol

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