Yeah, you've certainly got a point with that one. I don't see more than one gossip thread on the front page at the moment of writing this.

That's the operative word... at the moment.

This idea has been proposed a number of times over the years.

The reality of the situation is that a new forum will never be created for this purpose.

The ideal situation would be if folks practised self-deportation of those threads into GD.

Again, the reality is that won't happen either.

You'll hear crazy reasons like their freedom/rights are being infringed upon and other such nonsense.

The bottom line is that it's something you'll simply have to learn to deal with unfortunately.

As for Timmy's thread. It's a good idea when that's all you're looking for.

But then what's the reason individual "New Music" threads can't survive on their own?

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I don't know how people are saying there arent' that many non-music threads.

The OP is not just discussing whether something is tabloid like, but whether it is about music directly. He wants to come here to discuss albums and songs.

Here are 11 in the first 100 -- over 10 percent -- that aren't directly about music.

Green Day Goes Nuts...

Kanye West Sex tape

Lady Gaga's weight gain

Armstrong check into rehab

Fiona Apple hash possession

Stevie Wonder on Dr. Phil

Art of moshing

shakira expecting first child

Kanye West and Frank Ocean estranged.

Wipe Chris Brown off the web with new tool

Wyclef rips Liar Lauryn Hill

I'm not even sure "Nutrisystem needs a new single Janet," Lady Gaga's commercial or the Jackson Five's commericals for Post Cereal would qualify for a pure music section, but they certainly might.

I think telling people not to discuss anything but music here will feel repressive -- I mean ...and is happening organically and spontaneously... (why try to kill organic activity which is the lifeline of a board), gently redirectig to a subforum within this section would be better than banning from the section.

A lot of people drawn to musical artists are excited about everything related to the artist, not just their music. This is bascially a section about musical artists not music.

theAudience said:

This idea has been proposed a number of times over the years.

The reality of the situation is that a new forum will never be created for this purpose.

The ideal situation would be if folks practiced self-deportation of those threads into GD.

Again, the reality is that won't happen either.

You'll hear crazy reasons like their freedom/rights are being infringed upon and other such nonsense.

The bottom line is that it's something you'll simply have to learn to deal with unfortunately.

As for Timmy's thread. It's a good idea when that's all you're looking for.

But then what's the reason individual "New Music" threads can't survive on their own?

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

I agree.

When the idea was floated to start such a New Music Thread it was in part to have a central location to hear all types of new music without it being lost in the sea of 'gossip' threads. On a self-serving note, I love because I can comeback and listen to everything without trying to remember or find a particular music thread. Some of these music threads move to the back pages of this forum quickly. At the same token if these gossip threads are moved over to GD fine by me, if push has to come to shove. I've definitely seen threads if they had a hint of the political disappear from the GD forum, over to PF.

SynthiaRose said:

I don't know how people are saying there arent' that many non-music threads.

The OP is not just discussing whether something is tabloid like, but whether it is about music directly. He wants to come here to discuss albums and songs.

Here are 11 in the first 100 -- over 10 percent -- that aren't directly about music.

Green Day Goes Nuts...

Kanye West Sex tape

Lady Gaga's weight gain

Armstrong check into rehab

Fiona Apple hash possession

Stevie Wonder on Dr. Phil

Art of moshing

shakira expecting first child

Kanye West and Frank Ocean estranged.

Wipe Chris Brown off the web with new tool

Wyclef rips Liar Lauryn Hill

I'm not even sure "Nutrisystem needs a new single Janet," Lady Gaga's commercial or the Jackson Five's commericals for Post Cereal would qualify for a pure music section, but they certainly might.

I think telling people not to discuss anything but music here will feel repressive -- I mean ...and is happening organically and spontaneously... (why try to kill organic activity which is the lifeline of a board), gently redirectig to a subforum within this section would be better than banning from the section.

A lot of people drawn to musical artists are excited about everything related to the artist, not just their music. This is bascially a section about musical artists not music.

Maybe some people have their own interpretation of gossip

But overall their are WAY to many threads on gossip in this forum.

On Timmys thread: Just because people dont post and talk about the music in the thread specifically doesnt mean people dont go in there.... I dont post in that thread but I do go in there and check out alot of the artists and their music

This particular issue really has nothing to do with new music.... it just all boils down to stop with all the talk about irrelevant shit especially the SAME mess that gets talk about

I WILL never understand how people who claim to dislike certain artists and their behavior but then turn around and MAKE THREADS devoted to them/gossiping about them WEIRD

[Edited 9/24/12 14:23pm]

Identity said:

Only 6 of the first 100 threads in this forum could be categorized as tabloid-like in subject matter and content. Hardly enough to warrant the creation of a new subforum. I intend to do my part and leave those types of postings in Off-Topic.

Timmy's New Music thread series continues to offer the best in under- the -radar music and yet it's ignored by almost everyone, including some who voice frustration over the lack of "new music".

And those who choose to overlook the thread.

mjscarousal said:

SynthiaRose said:

I don't know how people are saying there arent' that many non-music threads.

The OP is not just discussing whether something is tabloid like, but whether it is about music directly. He wants to come here to discuss albums and songs.

Here are 11 in the first 100 -- over 10 percent -- that aren't directly about music.

Green Day Goes Nuts...

Kanye West Sex tape

Lady Gaga's weight gain

Armstrong check into rehab

Fiona Apple hash possession

Stevie Wonder on Dr. Phil

Art of moshing

shakira expecting first child

Kanye West and Frank Ocean estranged.

Wipe Chris Brown off the web with new tool

Wyclef rips Liar Lauryn Hill

I'm not even sure "Nutrisystem needs a new single Janet," Lady Gaga's commercial or the Jackson Five's commericals for Post Cereal would qualify for a pure music section, but they certainly might.

I think telling people not to discuss anything but music here will feel repressive -- I mean ...and is happening organically and spontaneously... (why try to kill organic activity which is the lifeline of a board), gently redirectig to a subforum within this section would be better than banning from the section.

A lot of people drawn to musical artists are excited about everything related to the artist, not just their music. This is bascially a section about musical artists not music.

Maybe some people have their own interpretation of gossip

But overall their are WAY to many threads on gossip in this forum.

On Timmys thread: Just because people dont post and talk about the music in the thread specifically doesnt mean people dont go in there.... I dont post in that thread but I do go in there and check out alot of the artists and their music

This particular issue really has nothing to do with new music.... it just all boils down to stop with all the talk about irrelevant shit especially the SAME mess that gets talk about

I WILL never understand how people who claim to dislike certain artists and their behavior but then turn around and MAKE THREADS devoted to them/gossiping about them WEIRD

[Edited 9/24/12 14:23pm]

But you can post new music in it to participate.

i'm taking notes

If people are so interested in "music", how come the gossip threads get way more views and comments than the others, which in most cases quickly go down in the pit? Anyway, I don't go in topics that don't interest me, I make my own. It's that simple.

TD3 said:

As for Timmy's thread. It's a good idea when that's all you're looking for.

But then what's the reason individual "New Music" threads can't survive on their own?

I agree.

When the idea was floated to start such a New Music Thread it was in part to have a central location to hear all types of new music without it being lost in the sea of 'gossip' threads. On a self-serving note, I love because I can comeback and listen to everything without trying to remember or find a particular music thread. Some of these music threads move to the back pages of this forum quickly. At the same token if these gossip threads are moved over to GD fine by me, if push has to come to shove. I've definitely seen threads if they had a hint of the political disappear from the GD forum, over to PF.

For that reason, I get it.

In a more ideal situation, they should be able to survive on their own if folks are truly looking for them.

Music for adventurous listeners

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MickyDolenz said:

If people are so interested in "music", how come the gossip threads get way more views and comments than the others, which in most cases quickly go down in the pit?

Exactly. If you post new music threads, they garner less than 10 comments and quickly slide onto page 2 or 3. The endless stream of Janet threads get more replies.

Identity said:

MickyDolenz said:

If people are so interested in "music", how come the gossip threads get way more views and comments than the others, which in most cases quickly go down in the pit?

Exactly. If you post new music threads, they garner less than 10 comments and quickly slide onto page 2 or 3. The endless stream of Janet threads get more replies.

People just wanna argue and insult, that's all that happens in those types of threads. "My favorite singer is better than your singer". "They can't sing/they're bland" or "so and so sold more/have more hits/can play more instruments".

theAudience said:

TD3 said:

I agree.

When the idea was floated to start such a New Music Thread it was in part to have a central location to hear all types of new music without it being lost in the sea of 'gossip' threads. On a self-serving note, I love because I can comeback and listen to everything without trying to remember or find a particular music thread. Some of these music threads move to the back pages of this forum quickly. At the same token if these gossip threads are moved over to GD fine by me, if push has to come to shove. I've definitely seen threads if they had a hint of the political disappear from the GD forum, over to PF.

For that reason, I get it.

In a more ideal situation, they should be able to survive on their own if folks are truly looking for them.

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

I think some folks just post to complain. When new music is posted separately on its own thread, it's hardly posted as Micky himself pointed out.

MickyDolenz said:

Identity said:

Exactly. If you post new music threads, they garner less than 10 comments and quickly slide onto page 2 or 3. The endless stream of Janet threads get more replies.

People just wanna argue and insult, that's all that happens in those types of threads. "My favorite singer is better than your singer". "They can't sing/they're bland" or "so and so sold more/have more hits/can play more instruments".

Yeah 150 posts on a "nah nah nah nah my singer is better than youuuuu-uuuurs..." You'd think folks be tired of participating in that shit...

TD3 said:

That's the operative word... at the moment.

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

I think several people have put forth the idea of creating another forum for... Gossip, Gossip and More Gossip but nothing has happened.

I'm all for it, too each his or her own but because this forum has gotten away from talking about music a lot people have stepped. Our loss... I'm all for creating another place for people to talk about who's screwing who or whatever.

We could also do somethings in this forum to help it along such as...

1. Start off having " Org Mix-Tapes" with fixed dates. Twice a year (every 6 months): It may give people the incentive to know a specific date/month so they have the time create a tape.

2. Alternative to "Org Mix-Tape" we should see if setting up a date... once a month, every other month, or every two months were members could showcase their music via a podcast. As VainAndy used to do on Sunday's for an example.

3. Since music has moved from the radio to the net, it could be fun to tell use what music stations have you've discovered (anywhere in the world) playing good music. Or, share any App, Blog or Websites that some music enthusiast has created, talking about all things music.

4. It would help if we'd "open" up some of these threads on this forum and read them... get out of our comfort zone. We do have some great folks creating some interesting threads that just slide down the forum scale.

There's no reason my Timmy's thread "New Music" should remain a sticky all ways. Since we whined and bitch (me) about where's the new music. We could at least open up his thread and listen to what's being offered.You don't have to like and you can say why you do or don't.

I have every intentions of putting a better foot forward and taking my own advice.

There s no reason for this forum to suck.

Yeah I'm for a gossip only section too. Gossip shouldn't be integrated into music discussions.

[Edited 9/24/12 11:42am]

Easier said than done.

Timmy84 said:

theAudience said:

For that reason, I get it.

In a more ideal situation, they should be able to survive on their own if folks are truly looking for them.

I think some folks just post to complain. When new music is posted separately on its own thread, it's hardly posted as Micky himself pointed out.

You're probably right.

In that case however, the finger should get pointed directly at those complaining about the lack of "New Music" discussions.

Music for adventurous listeners

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Timmy84 said:

I think some folks just post to complain. When new music is posted separately on its own thread, it's hardly posted as Micky himself pointed out.

Yeah, there's those "today's music is no good" threads and the awards/Hall Of Fame topics which some claim they don't care about or don't mean anything, but yet always comment in them. Why talk about something you don't care about? On Youtube, people click on videos just to say the song or act sucks. I've seen old video clips from 1960's music shows like American Bandstand, and people complaining about the lipsyncing. Shouldn't they be happy that the footage exists at all, especially since the networks often taped over the programs back then.

Like those "500 songs/albums" threads. It's just the same few people posting over and over. Why don't these other "music" folks recommend anything?

MickyDolenz said:

Like those "500 songs/albums" threads. It's just the same few people posting over and over. Why don't these other "music" folks recommend anything?

Well, if those "music lovers" have got nothing to add to the party...

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MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

I think some folks just post to complain. When new music is posted separately on its own thread, it's hardly posted as Micky himself pointed out.

Yeah, there's those "today's music is no good" threads and the awards/Hall Of Fame topics which some claim they don't care about or don't mean anything, but yet always comment in them. Why talk about something you don't care about? On Youtube, people click on videos just to say the song or act sucks. I've seen old video clips from 1960's music shows like American Bandstand, and people complaining about the lipsyncing. Shouldn't they be happy that the footage exists at all, especially since the networks often taped over the programs back then.

Like those "500 songs/albums" threads. It's just the same few people posting over and over. Why don't these other "music" folks recommend anything?

Yeah... like I finally stopped posting in those Idol threads. What's the use? Common sense will tell you: "don't like the show, don't talk about it". Same with artists that people so claim to not like but still post in the threads. And you're definitely right about the 500 best-of list threads.

theAudience said:

Timmy84 said:

I think some folks just post to complain. When new music is posted separately on its own thread, it's hardly posted as Micky himself pointed out.

You're probably right.

In that case however, the finger should get pointed directly at those complaining about the lack of "New Music" discussions.

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

That's basically is what is being said in this thread.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

People just wanna argue and insult, that's all that happens in those types of threads. "My favorite singer is better than your singer". "They can't sing/they're bland" or "so and so sold more/have more hits/can play more instruments".

Yeah 150 posts on a "nah nah nah nah my singer is better than youuuuu-uuuurs..." You'd think folks be tired of participating in that shit...

Yes you think they would be, but apparently folks love that stuff

Timmy84 said:

mjscarousal said:

Maybe some people have their own interpretation of gossip

But overall their are WAY to many threads on gossip in this forum.

On Timmys thread: Just because people dont post and talk about the music in the thread specifically doesnt mean people dont go in there.... I dont post in that thread but I do go in there and check out alot of the artists and their music

This particular issue really has nothing to do with new music.... it just all boils down to stop with all the talk about irrelevant shit especially the SAME mess that gets talk about

I WILL never understand how people who claim to dislike certain artists and their behavior but then turn around and MAKE THREADS devoted to them/gossiping about them WEIRD

[Edited 9/24/12 14:23pm]

But you can post new music in it to participate.

I know that already and if I find out new releases I will....

My point was not specifically about new music. I just think the site can be split in half with one talking about music NEW and OLD and the other half talking about gossip. I think that is more important being this site alot of times doesnt even feel like a music site.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

People just wanna argue and insult, that's all that happens in those types of threads. "My favorite singer is better than your singer". "They can't sing/they're bland" or "so and so sold more/have more hits/can play more instruments".

Yeah 150 posts on a "nah nah nah nah my singer is better than youuuuu-uuuurs..." You'd think folks be tired of participating in that shit...

What you guys are saying in reality is true but the bottom line is we've all participated

in it in some form or fashion and in most cases i believe without the intent to flame but

you have certain threads i.e Jackson threads, Madonna threads that are gonna do just

that. The recent thread about the whole Jackson family fiasco just disgusted me to the

point i said fuck it after a couple of posts. I mean life on the org is pretty bad if we

are debating who has the biggest cock between Janet and Paris. The thing is life on the

internet is pretty much opinionated. I can go to sports forums and discuss football with

complete stangers and i can see others getting chippy with others because they think they

know more than the next man. The OP idea is good on the surface but discussing an artist

music is not always gonna be limited to the music no matter how hard you try. I don't think

it's enough time in the Mods day to govern that.

I actually find it comical some people are saying yeah let's limit it to just the music

but know damn well they have or we have done the same shit.

It's just that some are worse than others and you would probably find the worst

ones in those Jackson/Madonna threads.

[Edited 9/24/12 20:10pm]

babybugz said:

phunkdaddy said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah 150 posts on a "nah nah nah nah my singer is better than youuuuu-uuuurs..." You'd think folks be tired of participating in that shit...

What you guys are saying in reality is true but the bottom line is we've all participated

in it in some form or fashion and in most cases i believe without the intent to flame but

you have certain threads i.e Jackson threads, Madonna threads that are gonna do just

that. The recent thread about the whole Jackson family fiasco just disgusted me to the

point i said fuck it after a couple of posts. I mean life on the org is pretty bad if we

are debating who has the biggest cock between Janet and Paris. The thing is life on the

internet is pretty much opinionated. I can go to sports forums and discuss football with

complete stangers and i can see others getting chippy with others because they think they

know more than the next man. The OP idea is good on the surface but discussing an artist

music is not always gonna be limited to the music no matter how hard you try. I don't think

it's enough time in the Mods day to govern that.

I actually find it comical some people are saying yeah let's limit it to just the music

but know damn well they have or we have done the same shit.

It's just that some are worse than others and you would probably find the worst

ones in those Jackson/Madonna threads.

[Edited 9/24/12 20:10pm]

A lot of the flaming threads need to be sprayed with a disinfectant...seriously.

TD3 said:

babybugz said:

Easier said than done.

Nobody knows my trouble...

"Nobody knooooows the trouble we've seen, nobody knows our sorrows, nobody knooooooows the trouble we've seen, glory hallelujah..."

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah 150 posts on a "nah nah nah nah my singer is better than youuuuu-uuuurs..." You'd think folks be tired of participating in that shit...

Yes you think they would be, but apparently folks love that stuff

Apparently. They need to be like Billie Joe and go to rehab.

mjscarousal said:

I just think the site can be split in half with one talking about music NEW and OLD and the other half talking about gossip. I think that is more important being this site alot of times doesnt even feel like a music site.

Aren't more people interested in gossip though? The Green Day thread was started a couple of days ago and it already has more views than 50 music topics started before it put together, which average less than 20 views each. Look at those Unsung threads. I've seen people say if a particular act has no dirt/scandal and had a happy life, then the episode is boring. Unsung itself doesn't really talk about music, and neither did Behind The Music. If folks were really that interested in music topics, then they wouldn't die quickly. They'd last just as long as the gossip threads. It doesn't make a lot of sense to make a separate music only discussion section, it wouldn't get any more traffic than it does now. It'll be just as dead as the Non-Michael music section at MJJC.