GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

this is very true........he had proved his merit way back in the day....it's no telling how many spins he's executed in his lifetime.....all the rehearsals, performances......years upon years....

and I never had a problem with the miming....for he only mimed for certan songs such as Human Nature, and that was mainly towards the end of that song.....

I looked at it as if he was giving tribute to the art form.....

[Edited 9/27/12 18:52pm]

First time we actually agree on something, I see we are making progress lmao

lollllll

what you said here was true.

mjscarousal said:

kitbradley said:

Now, you've seen all of those clips where she was sounding like Issac Hayes and where she was croaking/talking her way thru songs. I would post some clips but I will be respectful since the poor thing is no longer with us. But, the performances speak for themselves. They are all over youtube. Seriously, I know it really bothered her that her voice had deteriorated so much over the years. If anyone should have been using pre-recorded vocals it should have been Nippy. It would have salvaged her reputation as a "live" performer.

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I mean no doubt her voice wasnt the same..... but she definitly still was alot better than the shit we have to listen to today.

She didnt continue to do a whole lot of belting for her to have to mime every single performance. Even on that song from Sparkle, Celebrate, its not her greatest moment as a singer but it clearly shows that her voice wasnt completely shot.

Oh I absolutely agree. I always said I would rather listen to Nippy's croaking on her worst day than to listen to Beyonce's or Rhianna's caterwauling on their best days.

LiLi1992 said:

My list wretch lip-sync (only used the previously mentioned artists)
1. Britney Spears
2. Chris Brown
3. Janet Jackson
4. MJ (90s)
5. Mariah Carey (00s)
6. Мadonna
7. MJ (80s)

8. Mariah Carey (90s)

I think Michael and Mariah deserve at 2 positions, because they started out as a mostly live and very good singers, and then began very brazenly use the play-back

Katy Perry and Rihanna really need to use more play-back, listen to them so painful to the ears

good list!

mjscarousal said:

MidniteMagnet said:

Madonna doesn't lip synch as often as everyone says. Have you even watched any of her live concerts lately? She hits all kinds of bum notes!

Read my first post.. I ACKNOWLEDGE that she has sung live sometimes.

But its utterly ridiculous to trash an artist just because your fav is being called on something they have made an entire career of doing and MJ did sing 60 percent of Dangerous Live and 10 percent of History..... by that time he had paid his dues and people know he can sing live.... UNLIKE...........

A thread ALWAYS has to turned into a MJ bash fest its really ridiculous...

[Edited 9/28/12 13:15pm]

just because somebody dont worship the ground mj walked on or think everything he did was the greatest or he was so far above everybody else dont mean they are bashing him. you always bring up janet fans but you are the one who ALWAYS start the mj vs janet bullshit. i dont think you will see janet fans arguing that she used pre recorded vocals because she did, ive been to all her concerts and had a great time at each one so i obviously dont mind it.mj clearly lip synced, matter fact sometimes he sounded like he didnt even pre-record the vocals he straight up used the record. to be honest most janet fans never worried about what mike was doing ,but mj fans stay focused on janet and go real hard to try and discredit her every chance yall get.the reason people call mj fans crazy is because its impossible to have a opinion on him other than he was the greatest everything and never did no wrong.

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

Read my first post.. I ACKNOWLEDGE that she has sung live sometimes.

But its utterly ridiculous to trash an artist just because your fav is being called on something they have made an entire career of doing and MJ did sing 60 percent of Dangerous Live and 10 percent of History..... by that time he had paid his dues and people know he can sing live.... UNLIKE...........

A thread ALWAYS has to turned into a MJ bash fest its really ridiculous...

[Edited 9/28/12 13:15pm]

just because somebody dont worship the ground mj walked on or think everything he did was the greatest or he was so far above everybody else dont mean they are bashing him. you always bring up janet fans but you are the one who ALWAYS start the mj vs janet bullshit. i dont think you will see janet fans arguing that she used pre recorded vocals because she did, ive been to all her concerts and had a great time at each one so i obviously dont mind it.mj clearly lip synced, matter fact sometimes he sounded like he didnt even pre-record the vocals he straight up used the record. to be honest most janet fans never worried about what mike was doing ,but mj fans stay focused on janet and go real hard to try and discredit her every chance yall get.the reason people call mj fans crazy is because its impossible to have a opinion on him other than he was the greatest everything and never did no wrong.

This hater

WHERE in THIS thread did I compare Michael to Janet?

I'll wait because I know your delusional ass loves to put things on the computer and in your mind read it as one way when it really isnt that way

I never insisted MJ has NEVER mimed EVER BUT he most certainly didnt spend his ENTIRE career miming to the extent like the others have and proved to be a great live singer.

O and there are ALOT of Janet delusional Janet fans might I add that think Janet sings live more than what she has which has basically been her ENTIRE career. I am a Janet fan but she is the Queen of pre-records I am not sure why people are up and arms about this.

mjscarousal said:

lowkey said:

just because somebody dont worship the ground mj walked on or think everything he did was the greatest or he was so far above everybody else dont mean they are bashing him. you always bring up janet fans but you are the one who ALWAYS start the mj vs janet bullshit. i dont think you will see janet fans arguing that she used pre recorded vocals because she did, ive been to all her concerts and had a great time at each one so i obviously dont mind it.mj clearly lip synced, matter fact sometimes he sounded like he didnt even pre-record the vocals he straight up used the record. to be honest most janet fans never worried about what mike was doing ,but mj fans stay focused on janet and go real hard to try and discredit her every chance yall get.the reason people call mj fans crazy is because its impossible to have a opinion on him other than he was the greatest everything and never did no wrong.

This hater

WHERE in THIS thread did I compare Michael to Janet?

I'll wait because I know your delusional ass loves to put things on the computer and in your mind read it as one way when it really isnt that way

I never insisted MJ has NEVER mimed EVER BUT he most certainly didnt spend his ENTIRE career miming to the extent like the others have and proved to be a great live singer.

O and there are ALOT of Janet delusional Janet fans might I add that think Janet sings live more than what she has which has basically been her ENTIRE career. I am a Janet fan but she is the Queen of pre-records I am not sure why people are up and arms about this.

the only person who seems up in arms over this thread is you, and you are only a janet 'fan' when mj is not involved. why am i a hater, what exactly did i say that makes me a hater? anytime somebody says something you dont like about mike you find a way to bring janet into it.

(this is what you typed because someone said mj lip synced most of the 90's)

AGREE

Dont pay these Madonna and Janet stans no mind

There just mad because Janet and Madonna have made an ENTIRE Career off of doing the shit

[Edited 9/28/12 22:08pm]

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

This hater

WHERE in THIS thread did I compare Michael to Janet?

I'll wait because I know your delusional ass loves to put things on the computer and in your mind read it as one way when it really isnt that way

I never insisted MJ has NEVER mimed EVER BUT he most certainly didnt spend his ENTIRE career miming to the extent like the others have and proved to be a great live singer.

O and there are ALOT of Janet delusional Janet fans might I add that think Janet sings live more than what she has which has basically been her ENTIRE career. I am a Janet fan but she is the Queen of pre-records I am not sure why people are up and arms about this.

the only person who seems up in arms over this thread is you, and you are only a janet 'fan' when mj is not involved. why am i a hater, what exactly did i say that makes me a hater? anytime somebody says something you dont like about mike you find a way to bring janet into it.

(this is what you typed because someone said mj lip synced most of the 90's)

AGREE

Dont pay these Madonna and Janet stans no mind

There just mad because Janet and Madonna have made an ENTIRE Career off of doing the shit

[Edited 9/28/12 22:08pm]

Thankyou.

This person denies everything they say, even though there is proof in the same thread in which she denies.

Someone pressed.

mjscarousal said:

No dear I think your the one that needs to grow up and get a grip on your obession with bashing MJ

Nobody said MJ didnt lip sing. Where have I said MJ NEVER lip singed. Your are delusionally crazy. Saying he excessively mimed is a bullshit when he didnt make an entire career off of miming. That is something he latered did. The ONLY tour he majority mimed was History but even all that was not 100 percent mimed.

I think you need to GROW UP and your VERY immature. Why not just come out and insist you dont like MJ everytime you comment on him instead of trying to come off like your not biased when you clearly are. You obviously have not looked at ANY tours after BAD because you would not be foolishly insisting that MJ mimed 100 percent after BAD

[Edited 9/28/12 13:46pm]

I haven't bashed MJ in this thread. I gave my opinion, which I think is right. Again, grow up, and stop being sensitive; i'm not insulting your family member - just a music artist.

I never said that you said 'MJ never lip synced'. So what are you talking about? Just because he didnt make a career off miming - which is a nonsensical phrase if you ask me - he still mimed 100% for 11 years of his career.

Your posts are clearly irational, mine are not - you tell me who needs to grow up, and who is very imature? I suggest you re-read your own posts.

I've watched Dangerous over and over again, and it's almost, if not, fully lip synced. I have family memers who went to HIStory and said the sound coming out of the system, sounded exactly the same as the CD. Besides, I have watched the opening of HIStory, struggle as I did, and it was all mimed.

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I've watched Dangerous over and over again, and it's almost, if not, fully lip synced. I have family memers who went to HIStory and said the sound coming out of the system, sounded exactly the same as the CD.

I am among those people who are annoying abundance of play-back in Jackson perf-s in 90's.
but you guys are a bit exaggerating.
1. in the 90`s MJ was already a veteran of the scene, and his performances in the 60's and 70's and 80's in full or 90% live. 3 decades, guys, I think, solid.
2. in the 90's he also performed live (though less often than we would like). In Dangerous Tour Human nature, WBSS, Billie Jean, I Just Can't Stop Loving You,Jackson 5 Medley and some other songs were performed uniquely live.

History Tour ... yes, sad, but MJ sang some songs live and it sounded bad, he had serious problems with his voice, so he just spare our ears, it was a noble gesture.

It`s is ONE tour that was really almost a full play-back, + ONE tour, where it was 50/50.
Before that there were >10 live tours ... why this is not considered by some users here?

Has Azz never seen an MJ concert in the 90s? The Dangerous tour at the beginning was lip synced to a very small degree. During the end it got worse and worse and the less said about the HIStory tour the better...

...although the previous comment about Human Nature above? I think that, She's Out of My Life and Wanna Be Startin Somethin are the only songs he never ever lip synced no matter what. That never made sense to me because WBSS was a high energy dance number and Human Nature would always follow it in the 90s setlists, so he was completely out of breath and sounded terrible.

The absolute worst case of MJ's lip syncing came with the short-lived Off The Wall medley during a few HIStory tour concerts. He was just bopping around the the original records even though his voice sounded nothing like that any more.

I think with today's stars there are few excuses. They don't even tour as rigourously as the stars of the 60s and 70s. It's OK to say that of course the stage shows have become really elaborate compared to decades ago and dancing is a bigger part now (pah! tell that to James Brown). I understand that they might even be protecting their vocal chords against damage - I've heard that about Mariah Carey who likely damaged her voice with bad techniques when she was younger. BUT, the likes of Chris Brown who doesn't even belt out songs to the extent of the aforementioned, or Britney who didn't even dance that much on her last tour. It's an insult to the mugs who bought tickets to their shows.

Michael Jackson at his unequivocal best

during the Triumph Tour of 1981....all live vocals....

he brought the house from inside the house

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/wa...1D5FBDAF58

LiLi1992 said:

I've watched Dangerous over and over again, and it's almost, if not, fully lip synced. I have family memers who went to HIStory and said the sound coming out of the system, sounded exactly the same as the CD.

I am among those people who are annoying abundance of play-back in Jackson perf-s in 90's.
but you guys are a bit exaggerating.
1. in the 90`s MJ was already a veteran of the scene, and his performances in the 60's and 70's and 80's in full or 90% live. 3 decades, guys, I think, solid.
2. in the 90's he also performed live (though less often than we would like). In Dangerous Tour Human nature, WBSS, Billie Jean, I Just Can't Stop Loving You,Jackson 5 Medley and some other songs were performed uniquely live.

History Tour ... yes, sad, but MJ sang some songs live and it sounded bad, he had serious problems with his voice, so he just spare our ears, it was a noble gesture.

It`s is ONE tour that was really almost a full play-back, + ONE tour, where it was 50/50.
Before that there were >10 live tours ... why this is not considered by some users here?

Because their MJ haters and they love to bash and discredit him.....

Azz insisting that MJ mimed 100 percent for 11 years CLEARLY has NEVER seen a Dangerous or History tour from beginning to end. I REFUSED to believe he has because if he did he would know they were not 100 percent mimed.

Scorp said:

Love the live album, I've overplayed it so many times lol... I've been wanting this tour to be released on DVD for the longest! His vocals are 2 die for, very few people can sing like that and bring so much emotion. Love it. MJ is an underrated vocalist, but it's the fans fault who made him a prisoner of fame. I love MJs dancing and his stage performance and I think the bad tour(my fav because vocals and dancing are top notch) + dangerous tour are great (he was dancing perfectly in the 90s) are supreme tours but I feel that the fans should have let him do his own thing and not expect the "king of pop" all the time, because the last years of his life- we missed out the soulful singer that he was. He might not have been dancing around like he did from the age 5-40 but he could have sung and taken us places with the instrument that brought him all that fame... Some people didn't understand that though, they only saw a great entertainer but he was firstly a supreme singer.

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

Michael Jackson at his unequivocal best

during the Triumph Tour of 1981....all live vocals....

he brought the house from inside the house

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/wa...1D5FBDAF58

Love the live album, I've overplayed it so many times lol... I've been wanting this tour to be released on DVD for the longest! His vocals are 2 die for, very few people can sing like that and bring so much emotion. Love it. MJ is an underrated vocalist, but it's the fans fault who made him a prisoner of fame. I love MJs dancing and his stage performance and I think the bad tour(my fav because vocals and dancing are top notch) + dangerous tour are great (he was dancing perfectly in the 90s) are supreme tours but I feel that the fans should have let him do his own thing and not expect the "king of pop" all the time, because the last years of his life- we missed out the soulful singer that he was. He might not have been dancing around like he did from the age 5-40 but he could have sung and taken us places with the instrument that brought him all that fame... Some people didn't understand that though, they only saw a great entertainer but he was firstly a supreme singer.

I agree 150%.....

I dont understand why MJ receives the most grief from this when he has probably lip sung less than most of the list.

Like it was said earlier in the thread, he has shown his merit time and time again. Does that excuse him doing the act, NO! But lets not exagerate either.

I really wish he did an unplugged intimate tour with his songs remixed or mixed down. That would have been great. I would say do only like 10 dates max of that tour.

Glindathegood said:

midnightmover said:

Wrong. Most entertainers do NOT use playback. In the last 25 years there have been an increasing amount of pop stars who have mimed because they haven't had the vocal chops to sing live for extended periods. But they are still a massive minority of the overall entertainers out there.

It's more common in pop music because the success of pop stars has always been less dependent on their talent and authenticity than it is for other types of artists. Ask yourself how many blues artists or old soul, folk or country singers have ever mimed in concert. The answer is pretty much none. Most new artists (outside of manufactured pop) don't either.

The plain fact is no-one ever mimes in concert unless they are vocally deficient in some way. That includes MJ and Mariah who sang completely live for years until vocal problems forced them to cheat a little (and then a lot in MJ's case).

Some artists use playback not because they don't have vocal chops to sing live, but because they are also dancing and it's very difficult to dance strenously and also have perfect vocals. Those other types of music like blues, soul, folk or country don't involve dancing. MJ is a perfect example. I'm not really a fan of his, but he had a very good voice but he felt that the audience wanted to see him dance and he was known for that. So he used prerecorded vocals sometimes so he could give the fans a complete entertainment experience. Of course, he could have stood there and just sung live, but people would be dissappointed in that. Lady Gaga is a contemporary example. She has a really good voice but she does use playback on the songs where she does a lot of dancing.

I don't have a problem with someone using some playback (not the whole concert) if they are also doing some amazing dancing, which is also a skill. However, I don't like it when people like Mariah Carey who really aren't dancing use playback to cover up their vocal weaknesses.

Complete and utter bullshit. MJ proved throughout the 80s that it's entirely possible to sing live and dance at the same time. It was only in 1988 (when his voice was audibly strained) that he started miming in concert. If you check his 1987 shows you'll see he sang them completely live and sounded great, so the lip synching began when the vocal difficulties began. You should also take a look at his performances of slow ballads like HTW and YANA. He mimed them. There's no dancing in either of those songs so the dancing excuse does not apply.

As for Lady Gaga I barely know her, but from the live performances I heard, she was hitting quite a few bum notes so it makes sense that she would resort to lip-synching too. Those who can - do; those who can't -cheat.

Scorp said:

GoldDolphin said:

MJ could sing & dance live till 1992, but after that his body couldnt do it anymore which is understandable, dancing & singing like he did in the 60s, 70s & 80s isnt an easy thing to do. All the dance routines he had for 2 hrs is really hard work, it's like running on a football field for 2 hours. I wish the fans didnt push him to do all of that dancing, because I LOVE his voice. I dont think a person like Mariah Carey has an excuse, I've heard she's very stiff live and doesn't realy move around. I I dont think Gaga has a good voice to be honest, but she should focus more on the vocals than her poor dancing skills. Many artists who dont sing good enough, should focus on the singing because that's why people pay to see them.

this is very true........he had proved his merit way back in the day....it's no telling how many spins he's executed in his lifetime.....all the rehearsals, performances......years upon years....

and I never had a problem with the miming....for he only mimed for certan songs such as Human Nature, and that was mainly towards the end of that song.....

I looked at it as if he was giving tribute to the art form.....

[Edited 9/27/12 18:52pm]

Giving tribute to the "art form" of lip-synching?

kitbradley said:

Terrib3Towel said:

All I know is Whitney didn't lip sync.

I remember back in a 2009 interview, she said "Now you know I don't lip sync!"

The way she was sounding during the last 10 years of her career. it wouldn't have been a bad idea.

I'd rather hear someone singing badly live than someone miming to a record they did years ago. At least it's honest; at least they're not trying to bullshit me. Lip-synching in a live concert is just lying. I don't like being lied to.

midnightmover said:

Scorp said:

this is very true........he had proved his merit way back in the day....it's no telling how many spins he's executed in his lifetime.....all the rehearsals, performances......years upon years....

and I never had a problem with the miming....for he only mimed for certan songs such as Human Nature, and that was mainly towards the end of that song.....

I looked at it as if he was giving tribute to the art form.....

[Edited 9/27/12 18:52pm]

Giving tribute to the "art form" of lip-synching?

No, but as far as the whole dancing & singing performance thing. He'd been doing it for 3 decades and so for me - the 90s (HIStory tour to be precise) was more of an event of dancing and giving tribute to the art form of entertainment as a whole. I wont forgive lyp-synching for any other artist than Michael or unless they're sick (certain exceptions), because NO other artist has been working non-stop since the age of 5. Unless they've done 12 tours professionaly since the age of 12 and singing + dancing non stop (not counting Dangerous or the HIStory tour) I wont forgive it , but since there's never been a Michael Jackson , I guess you can't say that for Mariah, Britney and all of the rest.

GoldDolphin said:

midnightmover said:

Giving tribute to the "art form" of lip-synching?

No, but as far as the whole dancing & singing performance thing. He'd been doing it for 3 decades and so for me - the 90s (HIStory tour to be precise) was more of an event of dancing and giving tribute to the art form of entertainment as a whole. I wont forgive lyp-synching for any other artist than Michael or unless they're sick (certain exceptions), because NO other artist has been working non-stop since the age of 5. Unless they've done 12 tours professionaly since the age of 12 and singing + dancing non stop (not counting Dangerous or the HIStory tour) I wont forgive it , but since there's never been a Michael Jackson , I guess you can't say that for Mariah, Britney and all of the rest.

That makes absolutely no sense. How is miming through a concert "giving tribute to the art form of entertainment"? Wouldn't singing live be a better way of "paying tribute"?

I think you're trying a little too hard to justify your idol's actions. There's no mystery as to why MJ mimed the History Tour. It's actually very simple: his voice was fucked. It started bad and got worse as the tour went on, which meant the lip-synching increased as the tour went on. It's not that his voice had completely deserted him. Just that he could only sing in short bursts. As the years went by those bursts got shorter and shorter. Even though he mimed 90% of that tour it was still too much for him as some of his vocals on that tour were truly atrocious.

midnightmover said:

GoldDolphin said:

No, but as far as the whole dancing & singing performance thing. He'd been doing it for 3 decades and so for me - the 90s (HIStory tour to be precise) was more of an event of dancing and giving tribute to the art form of entertainment as a whole. I wont forgive lyp-synching for any other artist than Michael or unless they're sick (certain exceptions), because NO other artist has been working non-stop since the age of 5. Unless they've done 12 tours professionaly since the age of 12 and singing + dancing non stop (not counting Dangerous or the HIStory tour) I wont forgive it , but since there's never been a Michael Jackson , I guess you can't say that for Mariah, Britney and all of the rest.

That makes absolutely no sense. How is miming through a concert "giving tribute to the art form of entertainment"? Wouldn't singing live be a better way of "paying tribute"?

I think you're trying a little too hard to justify your idol's actions. There's no mystery as to why MJ mimed the History Tour. It's actually very simple: his voice was fucked. It started bad and got worse as the tour went on, which meant the lip-synching increased as the tour went on. It's not that his voice had completely deserted him. Just that he could only sing in short bursts. As the years went by those bursts got shorter and shorter. Even though he mimed 90% of that tour it was still too much for him as some of his vocals on that tour were truly atrocious.

Forget about the damn miming, I'm speaking of the experience for the fans and the DANCING. That's what I'm talking about, not the fact that he was miming - I already know that. But like I said before he had already done 12 tours since the age of 11 (not counting the things he did prior to Motown even if I could) in which he DIDNT MIME and he was singing & dancing at the same time. That takes a toll on your body. This man spent his entire life on the stage, so I can forgive him for doing the HIStory lypsynched because he couldn't do it no more. There are many things he shouldnt have done because it made his health problems worse.

I'm not justifying anything and I know that MJs voice was damaged, if he would have been allowed to take care of his health - we might have still had him today. He had already proven himself since 1967-1993 so he didnt have to do no more. In the late 70s people already saw him as a veteran and a legend.

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