I'm stating the obvious here but maybe the fact that he was gay has something to do with it? Sure, Elton John is a huge star and widely respected but I think Freddie is/was in a slightly different situation. He was the frontman of a rock/hard rock band, Elton is a bit more on the pop side. There is an awful lot of homophobia among rock fans.

Also, like it or not after The Game America largely didn't like the kind of music they made. Really, in America they had a fairly brief run as a big rock band, basically just the late seventies. Knowing that is it really surprising that Freddie/Queen aren't regarded very highly in America?

Strange thing about Freddie is that people knew he was bisexual yet he himself didn't really talk about it that much. The music was probably too theatrical and some of the videos they probably presented was a challenge. I know "I Want to Break Free" is still played but "Body Language" still hasn't been seen on TV least from me viewing VH-1 Classic or whatever.

Timmy84 said:

Strange thing about Freddie is that people knew he was bisexual yet he himself didn't really talk about it that much. The music was probably too theatrical and some of the videos they probably presented was a challenge. I know "I Want to Break Free" is still played but "Body Language" still hasn't been seen on TV least from me viewing VH-1 Classic or whatever.

The Boby Language video were NEVER going to get any MTV airplay during the Reagan era. Unlike the Village People & Elton John, Freddie was not going over anyone's naive heads in the red states. He was so ready to outed himself at that point. But it was clear from the jump that the UK was far more understanding than USA.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Strange thing about Freddie is that people knew he was bisexual yet he himself didn't really talk about it that much. The music was probably too theatrical and some of the videos they probably presented was a challenge. I know "I Want to Break Free" is still played but "Body Language" still hasn't been seen on TV least from me viewing VH-1 Classic or whatever.

The Boby Language video were NEVER going to get any MTV airplay during the Reagan era. Unlike the Village People & Elton John, Freddie was not going over anyone's naive heads in the red states. He was so ready to outed himself at that point. But it was clear from the jump that the UK was far more understanding than USA.

Shit that video still won't get airplay in the increasingly liberal US. Let's be for real. There's a reason videos like BL would've been posted after midnight! It's good that way. Right Madonna?

If you're waiting for him to be given his due by these current artists then you'll be waiting a long time because most of the influences in their lifetime have been bullshit influences. You can't expect them to give him his due if all they know is bullshit.

He's been praised by countless older artists and also right here at the org. I, myself, even admire him for what he's done for the gay image alone. Like the lead singer of Judas Priest, Prince, and Sylvester, he is a gay man that has shown the straight world that we can rock, funk, or throwdown just as hard, if not harder, than straight people. Gay artists like these gets us further away from the old stereotypes that we're all into a bunch of stuffy ass classical music, show tunes, or a bunch of dull ass adult contemporary divas.

vainandy said:

If you're waiting for him to be given his due by these current artists then you'll be waiting a long time because most of the influences in their lifetime have been bullshit influences. You can't expect them to give him his due if all they know is bullshit.

He's been praised by countless older artists and also right here at the org. I, myself, even admire him for what he's done for the gay image alone. Like the lead singer of Judas Priest, Prince, and Sylvester, he is a gay man that has shown the straight world that we can rock, funk, or throwdown just as hard, if not harder, than straight people. Gay artists like these gets us further away from the old stereotypes that we're all into a bunch of stuffy ass classical music, show tunes, or a bunch of dull ass adult contemporary divas.

AGREE.

However, Prince is NOT Gay

But anyway I agree with all that you said above. Most of the CURRENT artists probably dont even know who he is or even listen to his music and like you said if all they know is bullshit that is who they are going to site as influences.

U tripping.

Freddie is a legend and EVERYBODY knows it.

mjscarousal said:

vainandy said:

If you're waiting for him to be given his due by these current artists then you'll be waiting a long time because most of the influences in their lifetime have been bullshit influences. You can't expect them to give him his due if all they know is bullshit.

He's been praised by countless older artists and also right here at the org. I, myself, even admire him for what he's done for the gay image alone. Like the lead singer of Judas Priest, Prince, and Sylvester, he is a gay man that has shown the straight world that we can rock, funk, or throwdown just as hard, if not harder, than straight people. Gay artists like these gets us further away from the old stereotypes that we're all into a bunch of stuffy ass classical music, show tunes, or a bunch of dull ass adult contemporary divas.

AGREE.

However, Prince is NOT Gay

But anyway I agree with all that you said above. Most of the CURRENT artists probably dont even know who he is or even listen to his music and like you said if all they know is bullshit that is who they are going to site as influences.

You say Prince is not gay, I say he is. Only he knows for sure and even if he, himself, says he isn't, it wouldn't be the first time a gay person lied and said they're straight. Hell, just look at some of the gay Republicans if you want proof of that.

But even if he is straight, the majority of the straight world outside of Prince fans that I've ever encountered believes he's gay. That means he's hated just as much and for the same reasons we are so whatever accomplishments and respect he's gotten, believe me, he has earned it. Facing and not letting that type of hate get to him earns that little heffer an honorary gay pass whether he is or isn't. Besides, like Imago always says, we voted on his sexuality years ago and you lost.

lastdecember said:

Tired of the endless threads about legends that are not really legends, or topics about Frank ocean or someone getting arrested, fucked, a reality show, or now checking into rehab etc...LETS get more positive

THE LEGEND that has never been given his due, especially in America, a man that would clean the stage with every lead singer you put against him, a man that KNEW how to work a crowd, and a REAL crowd, not a gig for a 1,000 im talking GIGS for 100,000 on a constant basis....No Not Bono...Not MJ......

Out on DVD this tuesday, and also a LTD edition Hardcover Book Worldwide, PROPS to the members of QUEEN that have kept his memory alive through the 21 years since Freddie died, he is a LEGEND!

I agree with you, but I do think he gets recognised. Espcially in the UK.

But I agree that he/they should be recognised more than peers such as MJ and Bono

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

The Boby Language video were NEVER going to get any MTV airplay during the Reagan era. Unlike the Village People & Elton John, Freddie was not going over anyone's naive heads in the red states. He was so ready to outed himself at that point. But it was clear from the jump that the UK was far more understanding than USA.

Shit that video still won't get airplay in the increasingly liberal US. Let's be for real. There's a reason videos like BL would've been posted after midnight! It's good that way. Right Madonna?

I also wonder why Body Language was never showed on USA Networks' Night Flight or Radio 1990. You kind of figured that both programs that once has the guts to show Prince's Dirty Mind video would also dare to show Queen's Body Language as well.

mjscarousal said:

vainandy said:

If you're waiting for him to be given his due by these current artists then you'll be waiting a long time because most of the influences in their lifetime have been bullshit influences. You can't expect them to give him his due if all they know is bullshit.

He's been praised by countless older artists and also right here at the org. I, myself, even admire him for what he's done for the gay image alone. Like the lead singer of Judas Priest, Prince, and Sylvester, he is a gay man that has shown the straight world that we can rock, funk, or throwdown just as hard, if not harder, than straight people. Gay artists like these gets us further away from the old stereotypes that we're all into a bunch of stuffy ass classical music, show tunes, or a bunch of dull ass adult contemporary divas.

AGREE.

However, Prince is NOT Gay

But anyway I agree with all that you said above. Most of the CURRENT artists probably dont even know who he is or even listen to his music and like you said if all they know is bullshit that is who they are going to site as influences.

But in fairness, Prince (pre-JW) has always been one of the gayest or most bisexual looking straight men in the history of modern pop culture.

vainandy said:

mjscarousal said:

AGREE.

However, Prince is NOT Gay

But anyway I agree with all that you said above. Most of the CURRENT artists probably dont even know who he is or even listen to his music and like you said if all they know is bullshit that is who they are going to site as influences.

You say Prince is not gay, I say he is. Only he knows for sure and even if he, himself, says he isn't,

So even though HE says he is a hetereosexal male... you are still going to call him gay because that is what YOU think

Very childish reasoning.

He isnt gay. He was married twice and had a child that passed. How someone looks doesnt have anything to do with their sexuality especially if they have proclaimed their own sexuality. I say FUCK what you think.

vainandy said:

mjscarousal said:

AGREE.

However, Prince is NOT Gay

But anyway I agree with all that you said above. Most of the CURRENT artists probably dont even know who he is or even listen to his music and like you said if all they know is bullshit that is who they are going to site as influences.

You say Prince is not gay, I say he is. Only he knows for sure and even if he, himself, says he isn't, it wouldn't be the first time a gay person lied and said they're straight. Hell, just look at some of the gay Republicans if you want proof of that.

But even if he is straight, the majority of the straight world outside of Prince fans that I've ever encountered believes he's gay. That means he's hated just as much and for the same reasons we are so whatever accomplishments and respect he's gotten, believe me, he has earned it. Facing and not letting that type of hate get to him earns that little heffer an honorary gay pass whether he is or isn't. Besides, like Imago always says, we voted on his sexuality years ago and you lost.

Speaking for myself, I thought Prince was bi.

What's with all this gossip in here? I thought people really wanted to discuss music.

MickyDolenz said:

What's with all this gossip in here? I thought people really wanted to discuss music.

We were talking about music but someone made a claim that Prince was gay on HIS OWN site so someone responding to that doesnt mean thats gossiping when the entire thread did not consist of that.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Shit that video still won't get airplay in the increasingly liberal US. Let's be for real. There's a reason videos like BL would've been posted after midnight! It's good that way. Right Madonna?

I also wonder why Body Language was never showed on USA Networks' Night Flight or Radio 1990. You kind of figured that both programs that once has the guts to show Prince's Dirty Mind video would also dare to show Queen's Body Language as well.

Well though BODY LANGUAGE was banned so to speak i did a few spins i forget the show but it was on Channel 9 and i think if im not mistaken U68 ran it once. As for I WANT TO BREAK FREE this as Brian May said, NO ONE understood the joke Freddie was making, and in America escpecially MTV it never got shown and they were basically blacklisted because of it, really until his death than all of a sudden MTV played Queen. But Videos from the Miracle, like BreakThru and I want it all got a few spins on that Night Flight show? on TBS cause before the internet obviously and Youtube and QUeen had a greatest videos dvd this was how u had to see it. The videos from the MIRACLE, especially that song alone, as Brian May said is one of Freddie's best lyrics, that despite knowing he was dieing he could write and be positive, he never showed his "fear" until the track "Mother Love" and even then it wasnt fear it was just "let this end" .

And while on this topic Freddie also was badmouthed, and questioned after death on the Arsenio Hall show by Magic Johnson, who felt "freddie should have done more to speak out" but as Magic FAILED to see, Freddie was Gay and MAgic wasnt, Magic was just getting to much action from chicks and freddie from guys, so Magic was a playa ,and Freddie had to hide. Sorry but that moment to me is always going to be a Blemish on Arsenio for tacky ass questions.

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

You say Prince is not gay, I say he is. Only he knows for sure and even if he, himself, says he isn't, it wouldn't be the first time a gay person lied and said they're straight. Hell, just look at some of the gay Republicans if you want proof of that.

But even if he is straight, the majority of the straight world outside of Prince fans that I've ever encountered believes he's gay. That means he's hated just as much and for the same reasons we are so whatever accomplishments and respect he's gotten, believe me, he has earned it. Facing and not letting that type of hate get to him earns that little heffer an honorary gay pass whether he is or isn't. Besides, like Imago always says, we voted on his sexuality years ago and you lost.

Speaking for myself, I thought Prince was bi.

I thought that for years...until Wendy said he was a "fancy lesbian."

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

You say Prince is not gay, I say he is. Only he knows for sure and even if he, himself, says he isn't, it wouldn't be the first time a gay person lied and said they're straight. Hell, just look at some of the gay Republicans if you want proof of that.

But even if he is straight, the majority of the straight world outside of Prince fans that I've ever encountered believes he's gay. That means he's hated just as much and for the same reasons we are so whatever accomplishments and respect he's gotten, believe me, he has earned it. Facing and not letting that type of hate get to him earns that little heffer an honorary gay pass whether he is or isn't. Besides, like Imago always says, we voted on his sexuality years ago and you lost.

Speaking for myself, I thought Prince was bi.

lastdecember said:

Tired of the endless threads about legends that are not really legends, or topics about Frank ocean or someone getting arrested, fucked, a reality show, or now checking into rehab etc...LETS get more positive

THE LEGEND that has never been given his due, especially in America, a man that would clean the stage with every lead singer you put against him, a man that KNEW how to work a crowd, and a REAL crowd, not a gig for a 1,000 im talking GIGS for 100,000 on a constant basis....No Not Bono...Not MJ......

Out on DVD this tuesday, and also a LTD edition Hardcover Book Worldwide, PROPS to the members of QUEEN that have kept his memory alive through the 21 years since Freddie died, he is a LEGEND!

As others have said, he is given his due worldwide, particually in the UK, Europe and South America, just not in America.

And yeah, "I want to break free" killed them in America and they never toured there again. I guess David Lee Roth and others prancing about was fine as long as you actually wern't pysically in drag like Freddie was in that video. Talk about bullshit.

Graycap23 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Speaking for myself, I thought Prince was bi.

I stand by my words. I used to think at one time Prince was bi, simply because he was too much of a pretty MF to be 100% straight. (No homo. )

purplethunder3121 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Speaking for myself, I thought Prince was bi.

I thought that for years...until Wendy said he was a "fancy lesbian."

Most metros are "fancy lesbians".

MickyDolenz said:

What's with all this gossip in here? I thought people really wanted to discuss music.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Shit that video still won't get airplay in the increasingly liberal US. Let's be for real. There's a reason videos like BL would've been posted after midnight! It's good that way. Right Madonna?

I also wonder why Body Language was never showed on USA Networks' Night Flight or Radio 1990. You kind of figured that both programs that once has the guts to show Prince's Dirty Mind video would also dare to show Queen's Body Language as well.

Queen's managers/record label probably didn't present it to them. Like it was either MTV or don't do it at all... and I can understand. To be frank, Queen never was really straightforward about identity like that. But I do think it overshadowed what was otherwise good music. Some of the music was already a little too campy for the average rock listener here in the US even in the '70s. Queen was always a hard sell in the states anyway but then again they were a hard sell everywhere at first because no one knew if they were glam rockers or hard rockers or what and especially considering their name and the fact that all the members were male and all four looked androgynous as hell. They happened to win over a portion because of its harder rock music. I think when the act started getting campier around '78, some moved on to other bands but Queen still got decent play here until 1984 and by then Queen was starting to split into different factions so I can't argue that their supposed LGBT stance hampered them considering they weren't outspoken about it, especially lead singer Freddie.

By the way, is it true that Freddie had like five octaves? I know he went up a lot of octaves during "Under Pressure" and some other songs but really?

thesexofit said:

lastdecember said:

Tired of the endless threads about legends that are not really legends, or topics about Frank ocean or someone getting arrested, fucked, a reality show, or now checking into rehab etc...LETS get more positive

THE LEGEND that has never been given his due, especially in America, a man that would clean the stage with every lead singer you put against him, a man that KNEW how to work a crowd, and a REAL crowd, not a gig for a 1,000 im talking GIGS for 100,000 on a constant basis....No Not Bono...Not MJ......

Out on DVD this tuesday, and also a LTD edition Hardcover Book Worldwide, PROPS to the members of QUEEN that have kept his memory alive through the 21 years since Freddie died, he is a LEGEND!

As others have said, he is given his due worldwide, particually in the UK, Europe and South America, just not in America.

And yeah, "I want to break free" killed them in America and they never toured there again. I guess David Lee Roth and others prancing about was fine as long as you actually wern't pysically in drag like Freddie was in that video. Talk about bullshit.

Queen also got in trouble with the US music industry over their performing in South Africa during that international boycott, it cost a good chunk of their US audience, and also the synthesized sound of Hot Space alienated fans who thought Queen had sold out after they had went by a "no synthesizer" rule in the 1970s so a good portion of American fans were already on the outs with Queen before "I Want to Break Free" was even released.

American rock fans are not as monolithic as the media would have you believe especially when Queen ceased to exist after Freddie died (and it did, I don't wanna hear arguments about Brian and Roger "surviving" ). We're just more fickle. If we feel someone "sold out", we no longer support the act. It's probably because people were already tired of Queen. Of course Europe and Asia were always more open because they rode for them but they still had American fans. It's too basic to think any supposed bisexual/homosexual content was the only reason for Queen's US demise.

[Edited 9/25/12 19:27pm]

mjscarousal said:

MickyDolenz said:

What's with all this gossip in here? I thought people really wanted to discuss music.

We were talking about music but someone made a claim that Prince was gay on HIS OWN site so someone responding to that doesnt mean thats gossiping when the entire thread did not consist of that.

But you know what happens. Once you respond, they won't shut up about it. That's why I no longer engage in it, too much bullshit...

Timmy84 said:

thesexofit said:

As others have said, he is given his due worldwide, particually in the UK, Europe and South America, just not in America.

And yeah, "I want to break free" killed them in America and they never toured there again. I guess David Lee Roth and others prancing about was fine as long as you actually wern't pysically in drag like Freddie was in that video. Talk about bullshit.

Queen also got in trouble with the US music industry over their performing in South Africa during that international boycott, it cost a good chunk of their US audience, and also the synthesized sound of Hot Space alienated fans who thought Queen had sold out after they had went by a "no synthesizer" rule in the 1970s so a good portion of American fans were already on the outs with Queen before "I Want to Break Free" was even released.

American rock fans are not as monolithic as the media would have you believe especially when Queen ceased to exist after Freddie died (and it did, I don't wanna hear arguments about Brian and Roger "surviving" ). We're just more fickle. If we feel someone "sold out", we no longer support the act. It's probably because people were already tired of Queen. Of course Europe and Asia were always more open because they rode for them but they still had American fans. It's too basic to think any supposed bisexual/homosexual content was the only reason for Queen's US demise.

[Edited 9/25/12 19:27pm]

But we are speaking of QUEEN like they were an american success out the box, which they werent, despite Bohemian being a hit and a run with the News Of the World Tour, the JAZZ album was almost their demise in america before the GAME came out, The public in America was tiring of Queen, look at the scene around 1978-79 all of a sudden you go from disco to punk then to new wave, Queen has no dog in that fight at all, all they really could do was depend on a base following which was not this country, it didnt start here, america was one of the last to pick Queen up.

Sun City was a blemish, but again Rod Stewart played there and no one cared. AS for citing that Roger and Brian were not that important and couldnt carry on, well no one can carry on another person, Inxs cant replace Michael and they arent trying they are just playing music, people/fans are the ones that come up with the fake reality that a band is REPLACING Someone when they die, but be real, if they could trade doing the "we will rock you" all star to having Freddie of course they are choosing Freddie. And also Queen did the right thing with NOT coming out with new music for a long time without Freddie, though no one had a problem with George Michael fronting the band, interesting when its viewed as not REPLACING when its someone we like. People on the ORG site terence trent darby as being good to take over for michael, but they are smoking crack because that is possibly the worst person to front that band.

Thing is if you take Roger or Brian out of the mix and you have none of the early success they did have, if we site the AMERICAN hits, they all were because of brian and roger when you think about it, and john deacon, Freddie was the leader, so one of them out and its not happening like it did.

There isnt one reason for Queens lack of respect in america, there are many its that simple, but to think that they get the same cred as say Led Zep Pink Floyd The Stones etc...they just arent, shit Metallica and GNR get more props here then they do and that is fact.

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

I also wonder why Body Language was never showed on USA Networks' Night Flight or Radio 1990. You kind of figured that both programs that once has the guts to show Prince's Dirty Mind video would also dare to show Queen's Body Language as well.

Queen's managers/record label probably didn't present it to them. Like it was either MTV or don't do it at all... and I can understand. To be frank, Queen never was really straightforward about identity like that. But I do think it overshadowed what was otherwise good music. Some of the music was already a little too campy for the average rock listener here in the US even in the '70s. Queen was always a hard sell in the states anyway but then again they were a hard sell everywhere at first because no one knew if they were glam rockers or hard rockers or what and especially considering their name and the fact that all the members were male and all four looked androgynous as hell. They happened to win over a portion because of its harder rock music. I think when the act started getting campier around '78, some moved on to other bands but Queen still got decent play here until 1984 and by then Queen was starting to split into different factions so I can't argue that their supposed LGBT stance hampered them considering they weren't outspoken about it, especially lead singer Freddie.

By the way, is it true that Freddie had like five octaves? I know he went up a lot of octaves during "Under Pressure" and some other songs but really?

Well a band like Queen could never survive today because of everyone wanting to know BS. It was known by everyone around him that he was gay just like HOLLYWOOD all know Tom Cruise is, its not just a running joke that comedians make here and there its fact. But Freddie had a loyal circle, much like you never a woman talk bad about Prince, cause money shuts everyone up. But in this generation now, prince and queen and whomever never would have been able to live this lifestyles of nonstop relations and things like that, with social media now and TMZ for idiots, people wanna know shit and thats why u get nonsense events like Frank Ocean, give me a break with that, and people celebrating him like he cured cancer, OK hes gay, next page, regardless of why he decided it was an issue it was to draw attention, those who believe it wasnt are wrong.

As for Queen they were always hard to sell because they all liked different stuff, Freddie wanted to try different stuff, Brian HATED things like "Dont Stop Me Now" because he felt they were drifting into this "gay scene" with Freddie, and Roger well dont ask him what he thought of HOT SPACE. But like any other great band no one was bigger than the group, and the group wouldnt be the same without any member, and that isnt true about many bands, the beatles, Queen, and not many others you could say if you take one guy out and they dont exist the same way.

Also just noting from watching the DVD and this is in their history, BOB BRENTOR was freddie's "Personal" basically assistant during the 79-82 era when Queen were bigger in america, and freddie was living in NYC, BOB scored drugs for Freddie, sex (males), the club world of NYC at that time which was nothing but drugs and sex, and most likely where fred contracted aids. Brian cites BOB as the worst person involved with the band, because he was pulling Fred too this other world, and even while in America BOB was a go between for Freddie and media, BOB would tell america radio stations djs and magazines Go F YOURSELF he doesnt want to talk, which also didnt help them as a band in america on top of the flamboyancy of Freddie

Enough... Let's talk David Bowie...

mjscarousal said:

vainandy said:

You say Prince is not gay, I say he is. Only he knows for sure and even if he, himself, says he isn't,

So even though HE says he is a hetereosexal male... you are still going to call him gay because that is what YOU think

Very childish reasoning.

He isnt gay. He was married twice and had a child that passed. How someone looks doesnt have anything to do with their sexuality especially if they have proclaimed their own sexuality. I say FUCK what you think.

Hey, don't get mad because I gave the man a compliment.