Tired of the endless threads about legends that are not really legends, or topics about Frank ocean or someone getting arrested, fucked, a reality show, or now checking into rehab etc...LETS get more positive

THE LEGEND that has never been given his due, especially in America, a man that would clean the stage with every lead singer you put against him, a man that KNEW how to work a crowd, and a REAL crowd, not a gig for a 1,000 im talking GIGS for 100,000 on a constant basis....No Not Bono...Not MJ......

Out on DVD this tuesday, and also a LTD edition Hardcover Book Worldwide, PROPS to the members of QUEEN that have kept his memory alive through the 21 years since Freddie died, he is a LEGEND!

I have to disagree hardcore here. Freddy Mercury get's his due a ton in the U.S.A and on the org... i mean there hasn't been a million threads about him recently, but he has been given dues.

And anyone i know who is into singing loves Mercury.. hell most people i know love mercury and his voice.

So i think he has been given his due

Freddie came from the furthest part of the world - Zanzibar - that one would expect a superstar and became exactly that, A SUPERSTAR. His stage presence and command was unmatched and only he could interpret Queen's music properly, if he were with us today I'm sure their concerts would rival The Stones foot for foot, dollar for dollar.

UncleGrandpa said:

Freddie came from the furthest part of the world - Zanzibar - that one would expect a superstar and became exactly that, A SUPERSTAR. His stage presence and command was unmatched and only he could interpret Queen's music properly, if he were with us today I'm sure their concerts would rival The Stones foot for foot, dollar for dollar.

That's the truth

And imagine who he could have ended up doing duets with!

Lastdecember I love you man but I disagree with the MJ diss

I do really really REALLY LOVE Freddie Mercury.... and while he gets tremendous respect on the Org. I think commercially he is underrated. I dont think Queen has ever won any Grammys and when most people talk about giving tribute to bands that have passed they are never mentioned. I would love for the Grammys or a special done on them or at least Freddie Mercury. Definitly one of the greatest pop singers of all time

The OP is reaching here. Queen and Freddie has been given their due and then some.

Hell We Will Rock You was one of the best rock anthems of the 70's and damn

when i was a freshman in high school every damn high school band in the city including

mine played Another One Bites The Dust. It is equally a reach and damn near ridiculous

to try to dismiss MJ as a great frontman or entertainer.

Are you fucking serious?

Freddie Mercury doesn't get his due?

Uh Freddie got his dues (and still does) a long time ago. I thought this was gonna be about Michael HUTCHENCE.

mjscarousal said:

Lastdecember I love you man but I disagree with the MJ diss

I do really really REALLY LOVE Freddie Mercury.... and while he gets tremendous respect on the Org. I think commercially he is underrated. I dont think Queen has ever won any Grammys and when most people talk about giving tribute to bands that have passed they are never mentioned. I would love for the Grammys or a special done on them or at least Freddie Mercury. Definitly one of the greatest pop singers of all time

Its not a diss to MJ, im giving props to those who can play to those audiences, there are not many that can even sell out crowds like that without a problem, shit outside of Bon Jovi maybe the stones, no rock band other than U2 can do it, and then u have Queen, but the difference i think with Freddie is that he did both he rocked the club stages, and he owned the big stage. LIVE AID is still a crowning acheivement mainly because as every critic has said, QUEEN were a done deal at that point, though Radio Ga Ga was a hit, they were coming off HOT SPACE which lost them tons of fans everywhere and america entirely, QUEEN was an afterthought to invite to the show that day, Bob Geldof searched them out to fill space, they were nervous unrehearsed not speaking to each other, not even planning to tour for their current album, They were basically almost over as a band, Freddie's solo record was supposed to be the end of QUEEN. So against all those odds they won back everything.

My point mainly was that THOUGH he gets love hear, and tons in the UK and other areas of the world, QUEEN is not high on lists, and though Freddie ranks up there, he always trails others that he blows away by far. If you take away a few years from their career America never knew them.

Timmy84 said:

Uh Freddie got his dues (and still does) a long time ago. I thought this was gonna be about Michael HUTCHENCE.

Well Michael is even more forgotten, but ironically BOTH saw little extra love in death in America, in fact INXS saw almost nothing for Michael, for QUEEN take away a stupid Waynes World clip and FREDDIE gets no revival.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Uh Freddie got his dues (and still does) a long time ago. I thought this was gonna be about Michael HUTCHENCE.

Well Michael is even more forgotten, but ironically BOTH saw little extra love in death in America, in fact INXS saw almost nothing for Michael, for QUEEN take away a stupid Waynes World clip and FREDDIE gets no revival.

Blame the bands'/labels'/management's timing because they had nothing to release to bring upon a revival and when they did, it was already too little too late (Queen's "Made in England" in '95; Michael's self-titled solo album in '99).

Gunsnhalen said:

I have to disagree hardcore here. Freddy Mercury get's his due a ton in the U.S.A and on the org... i mean there hasn't been a million threads about him recently, but he has been given dues.

And anyone i know who is into singing loves Mercury.. hell most people i know love mercury and his voice.

So i think he has been given his due

to be honest i dont think i have heard anyone "current" speak on Mercury, and if they did it was less than a handful of artists. America rarely cites mercury, and when it does its far far down the list, though he at least ranks high as a frontman though not top of the list which is a joke. The ORG gives love to him basically on vocals, which is a no-brainer, as is frontman. But theres a huge gap between that and a Legend and in the big picture here in america, Mercury doesnt get that yet.

^ Dude you know better than to trust the mainstream to bring him up...

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

Well Michael is even more forgotten, but ironically BOTH saw little extra love in death in America, in fact INXS saw almost nothing for Michael, for QUEEN take away a stupid Waynes World clip and FREDDIE gets no revival.

Blame the bands'/labels'/management's timing because they had nothing to release to bring upon a revival and when they did, it was already too little too late (Queen's "Made in England" in '95; Michael's self-titled solo album in '99).

In both circumstances neither wanted to do it, INXS has tons of material still with Michael un-released to this day, as for his solo record INXS was gone in America, their last album though one of their best, was barely cracking the Top 100, did nothing after his death, so a solo record would have gone nowhere as it did in 99. As for Made In Heaven it did ok in America, about as well as any QUEEN album since The Game, and worldwide topped every chart, again showing that America just were not into these cats, timing of releases would have done nothing in america

Lets also remember that QUEEN released a single from their current album the day after Freddie Died, "the Show must go on" the reason it sold here was because of the Waynes World nonsense not his death everywhere else it was "THE SHOW MUST GO ON" topping the charts.

And The Inxs record was out when Michael died but nothing sparked it

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Timmy84 said:

^ Dude you know better than to trust the mainstream to bring him up...

im talking any singer coming out now, whether they sell or not, i would say less than 1% cite Mercury

^ Again, you're giving the industry too much credit...

Freddie did not get enough respect?
Wow! I don`t know, guys, but in Europe, Asia and Latin America, Freddie gets more love and respect than Bono and sometimes even more than Michael.
He usually heads the lists of top singers/frontmen (except for Rolling St magazine's lists).
Queen is in the top 10 best-selling artists of all time.

I love this guy, a phenomenal frontman (inho, G.O.A.T.), but I think there is a more suitable candidate for the topic "someone that HASNT been given his due"

The man gets his due

Queen's greatest hits album - is the biggest selling album in the UK of all time.

There are constant documentaries on him and celebratory programmes on anniversaries of his death, birthday etc...

Perhaps in the US he's not as big but his love in the UK makes up for it.

Personally I’m not a big fan of the group - but he's Indian and grew up in my home town - so I’m really proud of him!

phunkdaddy said:

The OP is reaching here. Queen and Freddie has been given their due and then some.

Hell We Will Rock You was one of the best rock anthems of the 70's and damn

when i was a freshman in high school every damn high school band in the city including

mine played Another One Bites The Dust. It is equally a reach and damn near ridiculous

to try to dismiss MJ as a great frontman or entertainer.

This.

phunkdaddy said:

The OP is reaching here. Queen and Freddie has been given their due and then some.

Hell We Will Rock You was one of the best rock anthems of the 70's and damn

when i was a freshman in high school every damn high school band in the city including

mine played Another One Bites The Dust. It is equally a reach and damn near ridiculous

to try to dismiss MJ as a great frontman or entertainer.

First of all, MJ was never dismissed again the ORG misses what was said, I noticed that i included BONO and no one says "why do you diss BONO" well one being everyone on the ORG hates the man, mostly because he tends to rival those who play big time shows, like MJ and others all did. There is no dismissing as i pointed out that MJ and U2 and quite frankly Bon Jovi are pretty much the only others that can do what they did consistently to HUGE audiences. And again the slight of Freddie is AMERICAN slight, why everyone is talking about Asia and the UK and SOuth America, when i never said that Freddie worldwide is ignored, BUT among the american HE IS, and YES those handful of songs are BIG but they are no way elevating HIM or his band to the levels like in other countries. We Will Rock You YES its big and its everywhere but who the hell in america knows how recorded it or even who Freddie was, i mean come on, i talk Freddie mercury in other circles and they say "who" then if you play UNDER PRESSURE they'll say, Damn he ripped off Vanilla Ice. I mean We Will Rock you may be the biggest anthem, but so is the star spangled banner at sporting events are we all going ape shit over the guy who wrote it?

So the Words i used towards BONO and MJ werent a slight or dismissal of them, it was citing that they were basically the two biggest players to crowds that Queen have played too, but Queen did it more on a constant basis where they went. So everytime we mention someone else as doing something maybe just a little more than MJ did, or god forbid Prince, its not dissing them.

He's praised by many.

I guess being in the Rock & Roll and Songwriter's Hall of Fame ain't enough, what else do you think he should get? Some American musicians namedrop him as an influence lol

Timmy84 said:

I guess being in the Rock & Roll and Songwriter's Hall of Fame ain't enough, what else do you think he should get? Some American musicians namedrop him as an influence lol

Being in the RnR Hall of Fame has nothing to do with getting your due, shit John Mellencamp barely got in on the 3rd try, he's in but who talks about him? Its rare u hear him spoken of, so little trinket awards like this mean nothing, and Adam Lambert name dropping Freddie Mercury doesnt impress me, before that the only americans in the industry where EXTREME that even spoke on them.

And if we wanna cite the RNR hall of fame, lets remember they werent on the ballot when eligible and missed twice getting in because they lacked AMERICAN writers votes

It seems like you're on this boat by yourself.

Everyone else seems to disagree with your point about Freddie

Mercury. I'm not sure if you're debating whether he hasn't gotten

his due in America or you're saying he hasn't gotten his due compared

to other frontmen in America.

phunkdaddy said:

It seems like you're on this boat by yourself.

Everyone else seems to disagree with your point about Freddie

Mercury. I'm not sure if you're debating whether he hasn't gotten

his due in America or you're saying he hasn't gotten his due compared

to other frontmen in America.

If you check his posts, he's got a bone to pick with the Americans. I don't think Queen themselves really promoted themselves in the USA after 1982 anyways. The world's not gonna always be unanimous in how they perceive a musician. I seem to remember lots of folks here watching Freddie's tribute concert in '92 and how do we explain Wayne's World? That's how I first got to really know about Queen anyways.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

I guess being in the Rock & Roll and Songwriter's Hall of Fame ain't enough, what else do you think he should get? Some American musicians namedrop him as an influence lol

Being in the RnR Hall of Fame has nothing to do with getting your due, shit John Mellencamp barely got in on the 3rd try, he's in but who talks about him? Its rare u hear him spoken of, so little trinket awards like this mean nothing, and Adam Lambert name dropping Freddie Mercury doesnt impress me, before that the only americans in the industry where EXTREME that even spoke on them.

And if we wanna cite the RNR hall of fame, lets remember they werent on the ballot when eligible and missed twice getting in because they lacked AMERICAN writers votes

I agree.... RHOF and awards doesnt necessarily mean that the industry itself acknowledges the artists IMPACT.

I dont think Freddie Mercury gets the same praise and acknowledgement for his songwriting and overall impact as lets say MJ or the Beatles which I feel he is just as deserving if not more in some aspects.

I have NEVER heard anybody talk about his impact or the industry itself acknowledge what he has done. On greatest pop stars and singers list he as well as Queen is hardly ever ranked high or even on the list at all. I dont know. I find it a bit odd most think they/Freddie get their due as far as impact, I completely disagree.

I would not say he is criminally underrated but he is definitly underrated in comparision to alot of other artists that gets mostly talked about more.

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If we're talking about rock & roll, then Freddie Mercury is THE greatest front man ever; Yes, he's rank higher than David Lee Roth.

Music in general, Michael was a better dancer, hands down. As vocalists, Freddie & Michael were damn near equals, IMDHO.

I like the way Freddie dramatically changed the image:
was a long haired, bright make-up, with black fingernails and androgynous style in general
became a short-cut haired, with a mustache, manly.

[Edited 9/24/12 23:18pm]

Timmy84 said:

phunkdaddy said:

It seems like you're on this boat by yourself.

Everyone else seems to disagree with your point about Freddie

Mercury. I'm not sure if you're debating whether he hasn't gotten

his due in America or you're saying he hasn't gotten his due compared

to other frontmen in America.

If you check his posts, he's got a bone to pick with the Americans. I don't think Queen themselves really promoted themselves in the USA after 1982 anyways. The world's not gonna always be unanimous in how they perceive a musician. I seem to remember lots of folks here watching Freddie's tribute concert in '92 and how do we explain Wayne's World? That's how I first got to really know about Queen anyways.

Queen didnt promote themselves because there was no reason too, if youre making money selling zillions of albums everywhere, the writing is on the wall, so why tour there anymore, also after 1986 Queen regardless of sales couldnt tour.

And for americans everyone on this forum has a beef they just hide behind threads and post "THE INDUSTRY" gets it wrong, well who the F is the industry? Swedish people, no Americans, and every other thread on the ORG is about why someone doesnt sell, or gets over promoted or shit sells etc...and then the code word "industry" is used, which is just another scapegoat like blaming chris brown. So the whole ORG has issues with america.