SynthiaRose said:

2020 said:

I still just don't get why this guy is so huge?

For me, he's huge because he has a unique voice (i.e. perspective) with something to say. And he's a storyteller with the songwriting capabilties to say it in a way that's provocative, evocative, captivating and effective.

He defies genres, merging R&B with punk, pop, rock, psycadelica, country etc.He's just following his own compass and that's intriguing.

That fact that people keep quoting his lyrics on Twitter is very telling. That is where his ower is - not really as a performer. Although he MUST develop a performance style that can serve his aura as a artist.

He is not huge because of his singing -- his singing is worthy of note mostly because he makes extremely interesting vocal inflections that become chapters in the stories themselves. Not many peope, other than Prince, understand how to use inflections and utternaces to code emotion -- most just try to show out (Beyonce).

Frank has a really high emotional and artistic IQ -- and that comes thorugh when you listen to him with your headphones on and get bathed in the world he creates. That's when people with souls -- not you guys -- get touched.

Agree........ when I first heard his album, I wasnt all hyped about it like others here were but he definitly is a VERY talented songwriter and in that Bad Religion performance which I think was his first, I could see the emotion although settle in the words that he was singing which made it convincing. In "Thinking Bout You" I could never have to look at or listen to a live version of that song and can just listen to the song and can hear his emotion its almost as if his wining or crying and all he is simply saying is And Im Thinking Bout You, no no no.... not a fan but I LOVE that song and although not a fan I am rooting for him to get more attention because he is refreshing when you have an industry full of Beyonces, Rihannas, Trey Songs and Biebers.... Frank also seems like a nice humble guy..... I like HIM.

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He's a product of his times, hence his performing style, which is singing-in-the-bedroom type.

One critic said that in his internet-buzzy generation Frank would never be a showy performer like Stevie or Prince because everything is lived out on Twitter and social-media buzz.

The generation gets the performer it deserves in other words.

I'm reluctant to mention Adele here but I'm gonna. She's an OK performer live but nowhere near what her sales would suggest. Vocally she's pretty bland live for someone who is this "soul diva".

Again a product of her times?

lastdecember said:

CynicKill said:

What I like most about Frank's letter (and I suppose what most people hate about it) is that he handled a piece of publicity on HIS terms!

People are so used to "the expose", the scandalous reveal. They want an ex-lover to blackmail the star to keep a homosexual relationship private, only to have the story come out anyway so everyone can be pleasantly shocked. They want to be outraged.

Frank said ,"uh, no!"

He took the power away from a tabloid public so quick to tear down the minutest of affairs. But of course it doesn't kill the outrage (about the only emotion, besides mockery) that people seem to have. Now everyone is upset that he "used" his bi-sexuality as a publicity stunt.

I say good for him. Tear down some other closet case trying to protect their privacy.

well thats true but im sure he knew too that it was going to be something that would generate attention? I mean its not like its the 1970's and making that statement LOSES you fans, like Elton John did, Like QUEEN did in America. Elton famously said he was BI in an interview during his peak and that was it, the peak soon became a valley. Today you can say that, sure your going to get this and that for saying it, but it translates into sales, not LOSS

I agree it's not as detrimental as it used to be but still, had it came out later as a scandalous reveal it would've hurt him a lot more.

And people fail to realize (maybe justifiably because he's so new) that his new album was already generating critical raves before the confession broke. So what if you didn't know who he was? Every artist is new at one point. And many worthy artist NEVER get an audience.

Synthia, there was no need to be snarky. Plenty of people ask questions all the time that can easily be answered by Google. By the way, Miss Manners is working for you, re being rude.

scriptgirl said:

Synthia, there was no need to be snarky. Plenty of people ask questions all the time that can easily be answered by Google. By the way, Miss Manners is working for you, re being rude.

you're overreacting.

Reminding you that Google is still working is the nicest way to suggest you show some initiative. Stop the melodrama.

Your questions were answered. You asked 50 million like a 5 year old. I'm not here to argue.

*On ignore.

Graycap23 said:

That performance bored me 2 tears.

Me 2. This dude is horrible 2 me.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Judging from the comments on here, he didn't approve much after Kimmel or whatever show he was on to debut "Bad Religion", huh?

He's getting worse.

Well, DAMN!!

SynthiaRose said:

2020 said:

I still just don't get why this guy is so huge?

For me, he's huge because he has a unique voice (i.e. perspective) with something to say. And he's a storyteller with the songwriting capabilties to say it in a way that's provocative, evocative, captivating and effective.

He defies genres, merging R&B with punk, pop, rock, psycadelica, country etc.He's just following his own compass and that's intriguing.

That fact that people keep quoting his lyrics on Twitter is very telling. That is where his ower is - not really as a performer. Although he MUST develop a performance style that can serve his aura as a artist.

He is not huge because of his singing -- his singing is worthy of note mostly because he makes extremely interesting vocal inflections that become chapters in the stories themselves. Not many peope, other than Prince, understand how to use inflections and utternaces to code emotion -- most just try to show out (Beyonce).

Frank has a really high emotional and artistic IQ -- and that comes thorugh when you listen to him with your headphones on and get bathed in the world he creates. That's when people with souls -- not you guys -- get touched.

That's considered high IQ now? Wow, the average has really dropped.

WaterInYourBath said:

SynthiaRose said:

For me, he's huge because he has a unique voice (i.e. perspective) with something to say. And he's a storyteller with the songwriting capabilties to say it in a way that's provocative, evocative, captivating and effective.

He defies genres, merging R&B with punk, pop, rock, psycadelica, country etc.He's just following his own compass and that's intriguing.

That fact that people keep quoting his lyrics on Twitter is very telling. That is where his ower is - not really as a performer. Although he MUST develop a performance style that can serve his aura as a artist.

He is not huge because of his singing -- his singing is worthy of note mostly because he makes extremely interesting vocal inflections that become chapters in the stories themselves. Not many peope, other than Prince, understand how to use inflections and utternaces to code emotion -- most just try to show out (Beyonce).

Frank has a really high emotional and artistic IQ -- and that comes thorugh when you listen to him with your headphones on and get bathed in the world he creates. That's when people with souls -- not you guys -- get touched.

That's considered high IQ now? Wow, the average has really dropped.

WaterInYourBath said:

SynthiaRose said:

For me, he's huge because he has a unique voice (i.e. perspective) with something to say. And he's a storyteller with the songwriting capabilties to say it in a way that's provocative, evocative, captivating and effective.

He defies genres, merging R&B with punk, pop, rock, psycadelica, country etc.He's just following his own compass and that's intriguing.

That fact that people keep quoting his lyrics on Twitter is very telling. That is where his ower is - not really as a performer. Although he MUST develop a performance style that can serve his aura as a artist.

He is not huge because of his singing -- his singing is worthy of note mostly because he makes extremely interesting vocal inflections that become chapters in the stories themselves. Not many peope, other than Prince, understand how to use inflections and utternaces to code emotion -- most just try to show out (Beyonce).

Frank has a really high emotional and artistic IQ -- and that comes thorugh when you listen to him with your headphones on and get bathed in the world he creates. That's when people with souls -- not you guys -- get touched.

That's considered high IQ now? Wow, the average has really dropped.

I don't know what you mean by "that" -- and you probably don't know either.

Most people lack any significant emotional IQ beyond the basics. But you probably don't even know what emotional IQ is as you just generally said "that's high IQ" lumping all IQs together. LMAO. Such are the people who should not listen to Frank Ocean.

If this man never came out as bisexual (or whatever), nobody would be talking about him. Mediocre at best, both in songwriting and performance.

Media jumped on him because he's black man who came out, pure and simple. The black community is still on the homophobic side and media pushed this man out there in hopes of him influencing others.

Its so obvious.

He's an above average songwriter.

You don't have to like him but that can't be taken away from him.

I disagree. I am not moved in the least by his songwriting. There are certainly worse writers, hence my saying "mediocre" but I don't think he warrants any special attention.

California45 said:

If this man never came out as bisexual (or whatever), nobody would be talking about him. Mediocre at best, both in songwriting and performance.

Media jumped on him because he's black man who came out, pure and simple. The black community is still on the homophobic side and media pushed this man out there in hopes of him influencing others.

Its so obvious.

1. Frank Ocean was named GQ's Music Rookie of the Year in 2011. He was already being talked about and embraced as a big deal. So, your argument is thin.

2. The crowd loved him at Coachella earlier this year before anyone even knew he was gay.

3. His album was already being anticpated because everyone from Kanye to Pharell has been praising Ocean.

4. He's written songs for people in the industry for years and had enjoyed a growing underground following due to mixtapes. He was in demand by peers and a small public.

He's definitely earned his attention and praise.

But I think believing him to be mediocre is a good stance for you; music is subjective. I think you definitely should not listen to his music.

May I ask which of Franks 110+ songs have you heard to judge his writing as medicore? Also, can you name what you think is a well written song. I'm curious. By any artist.

SynthiaRose said:

WaterInYourBath said:

That's considered high IQ now? Wow, the average has really dropped.

I don't know what you mean by "that" -- and you probably don't know either.

Most people lack any significant emotional IQ beyond the basics. But you probably don't even know what emotional IQ is as you just generally said "that's high IQ" lumping all IQs together. LMAO. Such are the people who should not listen to Frank Ocean.

No. You just don't know what an intelligence quotient is, period, nor its ranges. You being intensely moved by, whatever, does not make this guy a genius with "artistic" or "emotional" expression that reflects an IQ above or anywhere near 130.

Oh, and to assist: EI, "Emotional Intelligence," which is the low validity assessment you were unknowingly referring to, has nothing to do with IQ. So, yes, I don't know what "emotional IQ" is, because it doesn't exist.

WaterInYourBath said:

SynthiaRose said:

I don't know what you mean by "that" -- and you probably don't know either.

Most people lack any significant emotional IQ beyond the basics. But you probably don't even know what emotional IQ is as you just generally said "that's high IQ" lumping all IQs together. LMAO. Such are the people who should not listen to Frank Ocean.

No. You just don't know what an intelligence quotient is, period, nor its ranges. You being intensely moved by, whatever, does not make this guy a genius with "artistic" or "emotional" expression that reflects an IQ above or anywhere near 130.

Oh, and to assist: EI, "Emotional Intelligence," which is the low validity assessment you were unknowingly referring to, has nothing to do with IQ. So, yes, I don't know what "emotional IQ" is, because it doesn't exist.

LOL!!!

My "being intensely moved" is my reaction. It has nothing to do with Frank's Emotional IQ. I never set any paramaters to define what gave him an emotional IQ. You missed that because you have weak comprehension. That's why I said what does "that" mean.

Now, bless your heart you've gone reading and need a formal book to explain a concept -- and largely figuratively one. You're back to talking about mainstream IQ which is a strict academic concept and a measurement based on tests. It is so completely different yet you continue to merge the two because your mind is simple and basic.

Here is your funniest line:

This is dumb beyond words. What the hell do you say when people discuss Kobe or Micheal Jordan having high basketball IQ? ??? Does your brain cells pulsate and foam since you don't have the facility of language to apply a concept like IQ to a range of contexts and realms, such as art, or emotions or basketball or whatever.

You are one of those people who only know what you read in a book aren't you? Otherwise you are lost when it comes to figurative and critical thinking. Your responses are absolutely comical and absurd.

AGain -- proving my point. Your mind is not such that you should listen to Frank Ocean.

SynthiaRose said:

California45 said:

If this man never came out as bisexual (or whatever), nobody would be talking about him. Mediocre at best, both in songwriting and performance.

Media jumped on him because he's black man who came out, pure and simple. The black community is still on the homophobic side and media pushed this man out there in hopes of him influencing others.

Its so obvious.

1. Frank Ocean was named GQ's Music Rookie of the Year in 2011. He was already being talked about and embraced as a big deal. So, your argument is thin.

2. The crowd loved him at Coachella earlier this year before anyone even knew he was gay.

3. His album was already being anticpated because everyone from Kanye to Pharell has been praising Ocean.

4. He's written songs for people in the industry for years and had enjoyed a growing underground following due to mixtapes. He was in demand by peers and a small public.

He's definitely earned his attention and praise.

But I think believing him to be mediocre is a good stance for you; music is subjective. I think you definitely should not listen to his music.

May I ask which of Franks 110+ songs have you heard to judge his writing as medicore? Also, can you name what you think is a well written song. I'm curious. By any artist.

Oh honey...you're taking this way too personal.

Frank Ocean, in my opinion, is mediocre and only got this high level of media kudos and attention after he came out. I didn't say NOBODY knew him. I said media hyped him after he came out. It's not even debatable lol.

Enjoy his 110+ songs. I'm glad you enjoy them, really. The record he is supporting now - and the one media is hyping since his coming out - is mediocre. At best. That's my opinion. You don't have to agree, sweets.

OMG that was the funniest episode of SNL I've ever seen, no wonder no one is talking about the musical guest.

California45 said:

SynthiaRose said:

1. Frank Ocean was named GQ's Music Rookie of the Year in 2011. He was already being talked about and embraced as a big deal. So, your argument is thin.

2. The crowd loved him at Coachella earlier this year before anyone even knew he was gay.

3. His album was already being anticpated because everyone from Kanye to Pharell has been praising Ocean.

4. He's written songs for people in the industry for years and had enjoyed a growing underground following due to mixtapes. He was in demand by peers and a small public.

He's definitely earned his attention and praise.

But I think believing him to be mediocre is a good stance for you; music is subjective. I think you definitely should not listen to his music.

May I ask which of Franks 110+ songs have you heard to judge his writing as medicore? Also, can you name what you think is a well written song. I'm curious. By any artist.

Oh honey...you're taking this way too personal.

Frank Ocean, in my opinion, is mediocre and only got this high level of media kudos and attention after he came out. I didn't say NOBODY knew him. I said media hyped him after he came out. It's not even debatable lol.

Enjoy his 110+ songs. I'm glad you enjoy them, really. The record he is supporting now - and the one media is hyping since his coming out - is mediocre. At best. That's my opinion. You don't have to agree, sweets.

You said no one would be talking about him. Which I illustrated was untrue.

Graycap23 said:

That performance bored me 2 tears.

Very much so.

I liked his falsetto that's about it.