I'm seeing LP's at regular CD stores too, and I've seen an increase in merchandise

SuperSoulFighter said:

When the CD became big in the late 1980s, everybody was raving about them This was sooooo much better than those scratchy old LPs. They were over, old news, no doubt aboutthat. CDs were it!And everybody went out and bought the LPs they already had on CD and that's why CD sales exploded. (And I managed to get Prince's albums on vinyl for a low price!) These days it seems to be the exact opposite. CDs are suffering from downloading, but LPs are coming back. So what do you think? Will LPs survive CDs after all?

LP's would seriously have to drop the price, i mean you cant get people to buy cds for 8 bucks, Vinyl is going for three times that at least, in some stores.

lastdecember said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

When the CD became big in the late 1980s, everybody was raving about them This was sooooo much better than those scratchy old LPs. They were over, old news, no doubt aboutthat. CDs were it!And everybody went out and bought the LPs they already had on CD and that's why CD sales exploded. (And I managed to get Prince's albums on vinyl for a low price!) These days it seems to be the exact opposite. CDs are suffering from downloading, but LPs are coming back. So what do you think? Will LPs survive CDs after all?

LP's would seriously have to drop the price, i mean you cant get people to buy cds for 8 bucks, Vinyl is going for three times that at least, in some stores.

yeah vinyl prices are ridiculous, at dj stores, used viintage stores and regular chain stores, I've stopped buying them cause it was costing too much and taking up too much space.

i doubt it. Vinyl seems to be enjoying a surge in popularity but it remains a nitche market. I don't know anyone who owns a turn table. People still do own them but I just don't personally know of any. I just don't see a majority of people abandoning CDs in favor of vinyl. People are moving towards music forms that are more convieniet and condensed. Everything is shifting towards MP3's but they are not going to stop manufacturing CDs anytime soon.

I have a whole truckload of vinyl that I'm going to donate to some used record shops as soon as the weather cools down. They take up such a tremendous amount of space!

As long as some folks spend $300,000 on a Goldman's turntable, records will still exist. They're not going to spend that much on a product with no records to buy that they can play on it.

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I think eventually they will. That "niche" market will probably exist for a long time, while CDs don't have that, more or less CD only exists because it can be given as a gift. Album sales are horrific, more and more people will prefer digital over CD but the vinly lovers won't give up in my opinion.

LiveToTell86 said:

I think eventually they will. That "niche" market will probably exist for a long time, while CDs don't have that, more or less CD only exists because it can be given as a gift. Album sales are horrific, more and more people will prefer digital over CD but the vinly lovers won't give up in my opinion.

problem is the size, even if everything goes digital in the long run, if an artist plays a gig and wants to sell music at a gig, what do they sell? digital is useless this way, and vinyl is way to big, if someone goes to show and comes back with a giant album they bought its a little insane to think of that, so i think even the cd will have some value still unless new computers start doing away with cd-dvd drives then maybe

There's always a hipster-contrarian niche market audience to cater in any industry. The shit mid-'90s fads in comic books are coming back too.

Don't get me wrong, I like vinyl quite a bit. But it's rather impractical for 99% of music listening.

Yep, hipsters love that vinyl.

The supposed death of the CD is bullshit.

Mong said:

Yep, hipsters love that vinyl.

The supposed death of the CD is bullshit.

I loved vinyl for as long as I could remember. Didn't even have my own personal CD player until 1995, having a big one downstairs was like a huge deal for me.

I often wish there was some way to hybrid the two together. A CD sized vinyl record that has the sound quality & feel of vinyl, but the [recording] space & [physical size] of a compact disc. I know that was suppose to be the point of compact disc in the first place, but it's pretty obvious that vinyl still sounds better than every other format.

I love and prefer vinyl.

Places that only had CDs before are making a space for vinyl.

Places that had primarily vinyl and some CDs are like, we don't need CDs at all now, especially if they're used.

Wonder whatever happened to MiniDiscs:-? , they seemed to die a real quick death...

Vinyl might considering how much better it usually sounds. With CDs, they can sound good but most times the mastering is completely fucked up in a remaster or a transfer from the vinyl original. Take Prince for example, Around the World in the Day CD sounds awful compared to the vinyl. Plus theres the loudness wars for CD's which is making it so almost every CD released 2010 forward is so brickwalled and compressed that its nearly unlistenable of a real sound system. Note that that is all a result of AR guys thinking mastering shit louder would make their band stand out.

ManlyMoose said:

Vinyl might considering how much better it usually sounds. With CDs, they can sound good but most times the mastering is completely fucked up in a remaster or a transfer from the vinyl original. Take Prince for example, Around the World in the Day CD sounds awful compared to the vinyl. Plus theres the loudness wars for CD's which is making it so almost every CD released 2010 forward is so brickwalled and compressed that its nearly unlistenable of a real sound system. Note that that is all a result of AR guys thinking mastering shit louder would make their band stand out.

When people talk about vinyl sales being up by so much %, remember we reached a point where almost nothing was being sold on LP. So sales went from like a few thousand copies a year to where they are now.

It's still a tiny percent of music sold, maybe it went from 0.8 percent to 3 percent. But it's not that much.

But as for your collection, yes, your vinyl records will last for thousands of years in proper storage. Some CDs have already started to show signs of rot and they've been around for only 30 years. So it does seem likely, if I had the chance in 2112 to buy someone's 100-year-old CD collection vs someone else's 100-year old vinyl collection I would go for the vinyl.

bobzilla77 said:

Some CDs have already started to show signs of rot and they've been around for only 30 years.

I have a few CD's that have dropout and portions of them won't play. I haven't thrown them away because they're out of print albums. I did throw out the ones that don't work at all. I remember when CDs first came out and were said to be indestructable.

alphastreet said:

Mong said:

Yep, hipsters love that vinyl.

The supposed death of the CD is bullshit.

I loved vinyl for as long as I could remember. Didn't even have my own personal CD player until 1995, having a big one downstairs was like a huge deal for me.

I never had a CD player myself until 1994. They were too damn expensive before then. Yeah, I could have afforded one before then if I bought one that was included on a boom box but hell, I want all my stuff on a big ass stereo that's gonna shake the walls. I never liked "smaller" and more "portable" things because the sound is not near as loud and the bass does not pound near as hard as on a full fledged stereo. In the years when new vinyl was getting hard to find and CD players were still too expensive, as bad as I hated it, I bought cassette tapes during those years because it was the only format that I could find and afford the music on. And also for years, the actual CDs themselves costed more than the vinyl and the cassette. They were like $5 more if I remember correctly. I never got a CD player until all those rediculous prices came to an end.

bobzilla77 said:

When people talk about vinyl sales being up by so much %, remember we reached a point where almost nothing was being sold on LP. So sales went from like a few thousand copies a year to where they are now.

It's still a tiny percent of music sold, maybe it went from 0.8 percent to 3 percent. But it's not that much.

But as for your collection, yes, your vinyl records will last for thousands of years in proper storage. Some CDs have already started to show signs of rot and they've been around for only 30 years. So it does seem likely, if I had the chance in 2112 to buy someone's 100-year-old CD collection vs someone else's 100-year old vinyl collection I would go for the vinyl.

You are exactly right about old vinyl outlasting old CDs. When CDs were first introduced to the world, they were marketed as being better than vinyl because everyone had at least one record in their collection that had either a scratch or a skip in it. But the truth is, CDs are wayyyyy more fragile than vinyl. You have to hold them from the edges and not touch the CD itself and CDs get scratched much more frequently than vinyl because they're much more fragile. And since they're so small, now they have put CD players in cars. I NEVER play a CD in the car unless it's a homemade CD-R because if you hit a bump in the road, you will scratch it immediately. I have a friend that constantly comes over wanting me to burn him a CD of something I've previously burned for him because he plays them in his car and keeps scratching them up. Tapes are much more capatible for cars than CDs but when tapes age, the sound starts dropping from high to low in spots and also starts sounding muffled. Vinyl is definitely the best format all the way around.

vainandy said:

You are exactly right about old vinyl outlasting old CDs. When CDs were first introduced to the world, they were marketed as being better than vinyl because everyone had at least one record in their collection that had either a scratch or a skip in it. But the truth is, CDs are wayyyyy more fragile than vinyl. You have to hold them from the edges and not touch the CD itself and CDs get scratched much more frequently than vinyl because they're much more fragile. And since they're so small, now they have put CD players in cars. I NEVER play a CD in the car unless it's a homemade CD-R because if you hit a bump in the road, you will scratch it immediately. I have a friend that constantly comes over wanting me to burn him a CD of something I've previously burned for him because he plays them in his car and keeps scratching them up. Tapes are much more capatible for cars than CDs but when tapes age, the sound starts dropping from high to low in spots and also starts sounding muffled. Vinyl is definitely the best format all the way around.

Those portable Walkman style CD players really scratched the CDs. I knew people who used them and their CDs were full of circular scratches.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

You are exactly right about old vinyl outlasting old CDs. When CDs were first introduced to the world, they were marketed as being better than vinyl because everyone had at least one record in their collection that had either a scratch or a skip in it. But the truth is, CDs are wayyyyy more fragile than vinyl. You have to hold them from the edges and not touch the CD itself and CDs get scratched much more frequently than vinyl because they're much more fragile. And since they're so small, now they have put CD players in cars. I NEVER play a CD in the car unless it's a homemade CD-R because if you hit a bump in the road, you will scratch it immediately. I have a friend that constantly comes over wanting me to burn him a CD of something I've previously burned for him because he plays them in his car and keeps scratching them up. Tapes are much more capatible for cars than CDs but when tapes age, the sound starts dropping from high to low in spots and also starts sounding muffled. Vinyl is definitely the best format all the way around.

Those portable Walkman style CD players really scratched the CDs. I knew people who used them and their CDs were full of circular scratches.

I have NEVER understood the fascination with a portable anything. I'm a person that loves to party and entertain. How the hell are you gonna have a party with a damn Walkman, Ipod, cell phone, or anything as small as that? And some of these youngsters, that's all they want is something portable and don't even own anything bigger. I can just see all the guests gathered around the headphones at a party.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Those portable Walkman style CD players really scratched the CDs. I knew people who used them and their CDs were full of circular scratches.

I have NEVER understood the fascination with a portable anything. I'm a person that loves to party and entertain. How the hell are you gonna have a party with a damn Walkman, Ipod, cell phone, or anything as small as that? And some of these youngsters, that's all they want is something portable and don't even own anything bigger. I can just see all the guests gathered around the headphones at a party.

Well they did have those video game watches in the 1980s, where you could barely see what you were doing. It's like now they have a TV screen in a car headrest. I don't understand the point of that. People like tiny things now I guess. I wonder could they drive an old wood panel station wagon or a Lincoln Continental.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

I have NEVER understood the fascination with a portable anything. I'm a person that loves to party and entertain. How the hell are you gonna have a party with a damn Walkman, Ipod, cell phone, or anything as small as that? And some of these youngsters, that's all they want is something portable and don't even own anything bigger. I can just see all the guests gathered around the headphones at a party.

Well they did have those video game watches in the 1980s, where you could barely see what you were doing. It's like now they have a TV screen in a car headrest. I don't understand the point of that. People like tiny things now I guess. I wonder could they drive an old wood panel station wagon or a Lincoln Continental.

I don't like small cars either. My grandmother had one of those wood panel station wagons. I hated that thing. Nothing screamed "family car" more than that back then. Give me the longest Cadillac there is.

vainandy said:

I don't like small cars either. My grandmother had one of those wood panel station wagons. I hated that thing. Nothing screamed "family car" more than that back then. Give me the longest Cadillac there is.

Better a station wagon than these look alike plastic cars they make now.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

I don't like small cars either. My grandmother had one of those wood panel station wagons. I hated that thing. Nothing screamed "family car" more than that back then. Give me the longest Cadillac there is.

Better a station wagon than these look alike plastic cars they make now.

You got that right. All these cars look alike these days even down to the Cadillacs and Lincolns. I don't know why anyone would shell out big money for luxury car these days that looks no different than a bigger version of a Toyota. I've noticed some of the sports cars these days are starting to get some of their unique look back but that's about it.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Better a station wagon than these look alike plastic cars they make now.

You got that right. All these cars look alike these days even down to the Cadillacs and Lincolns. I don't know why anyone would shell out big money for luxury car these days that looks no different than a bigger version of a Toyota. I've noticed some of the sports cars these days are starting to get some of their unique look back but that's about it.

My mom has a 2000's car and you have to take off one of the front tires to get to the battery. That's a pretty bad design if you need to get a boost.