I mean the song is a guility pleasure... but damn

Dre was trying to damn hard to act like a gangsta in this video, i used to really love The Chronic. And Dr. Dre in general, i still think he is a dop producer. But man he just tries to hard to act like he was in some kind of crew & I recently learned most of his rhymes he didn't write himself SHAME

You can add "half-a-Producer" to the list too. Dre has taken full credit for many beats he didn't do by himself, if he did much to some of them @ all.

I really don't care that he didn't write his own lyrics though. @ least he has a real flow...unlike Puffy's non rapping ass.

Definitely a classic track & album though.

This jam was tight.....

This is a classic example of how George Clinton's music was sampled/interpolated time and time again by rappers/hip-hop artists/producers from the west coast

a phenomenon that started in the late 80s

mainly because Clinton was juked out of his own songrights, losing over 100 million dollars as a result.....

George Clinton never received royalties from artists sampling his music as a result.....

That restriction is what made it possible for Hip-Hop to flourish from that point on

the artists who were really making the music were being phased out of the equation behind the scenes thru manipulation tactics....

[Edited 9/2/12 22:49pm]

Scorp said:

This jam was tight.....

This is a classic example of how George Clinton's music was sampled/interpolated time and time again by rappers/hip-hop artists/producers from the west coast

a phenomenon that started in the late 80s

mainly because Clinton was juked out of his own songrights, losing over 100 million dollars as a result.....

George Clinton never received royalties from artists sampling his music as a result.....

That restriction is what made it possible for Hip-Hop to flourish from that point on

the artists who were really making the music were being phased out of the equation behind the scenes thru manipulation tactics....

[Edited 9/2/12 22:49pm]

TRUTH!

because of this DRE threat -

any info on DETOX ?? wasnt there a first single last year with eminem and than nothing?? any infos on that??

I heard some of the "Detox" samples last year and they weren't that bad. Hate to say it but Dre waited too long. I think his time has come and gone.

I wonder how many young Republicans got their stereotypes of black people from videos like this one.

smoothcriminal12 said:

This image was all over Dre diss tracks in the 90's (Real Compton City G's and Cowards in Compton).

That being said, The Chronic was a pretty good album

Scorp said:

This jam was tight.....

This is a classic example of how George Clinton's music was sampled/interpolated time and time again by rappers/hip-hop artists/producers from the west coast

a phenomenon that started in the late 80s

mainly because Clinton was juked out of his own songrights, losing over 100 million dollars as a result.....

George Clinton never received royalties from artists sampling his music as a result.....

That restriction is what made it possible for Hip-Hop to flourish from that point on

the artists who were really making the music were being phased out of the equation behind the scenes thru manipulation tactics....

[Edited 9/2/12 22:49pm]

Just know that George Clinton is a big fan of Dre's work with the P-funk samples. Frankly Dre did a great job of reimagining George's work, everythings so layered and juiced up you can barely see any resembalance with the originals.

ManlyMoose said:

Scorp said:

This jam was tight.....

This is a classic example of how George Clinton's music was sampled/interpolated time and time again by rappers/hip-hop artists/producers from the west coast

a phenomenon that started in the late 80s

mainly because Clinton was juked out of his own songrights, losing over 100 million dollars as a result.....

George Clinton never received royalties from artists sampling his music as a result.....

That restriction is what made it possible for Hip-Hop to flourish from that point on

the artists who were really making the music were being phased out of the equation behind the scenes thru manipulation tactics....

[Edited 9/2/12 22:49pm]

Just know that George Clinton is a big fan of Dre's work with the P-funk samples. Frankly Dre did a great job of reimagining George's work, everythings so layered and juiced up you can barely see any resembalance with the originals.

that's if a person didn't grow during the years where you absolutely knew where the layers and the juicing up came to be, and distinguish that from the original work....

George Clinton's work never needed reimaging, if anything, it's the other way around

when you are the originator of the work that's being presented, you dont' need reimaging

Even as a teenager in the late 80s, I've always been an opponent of sampling, not because of "hating", but because you could see how music was going to eventually dry up because artists were not being encouraged to create their own music and relied on the music from yesterday to stand on

sampling is the lesser road traveled....

I'm not saying Dr. Dre wasn't talented, because he was....but what I am saying is that he could have been a greater producer than he actually was if he came up during a time where making fresh music was the requirement rather than the exception

the reason sampling became so prevalent is that the artists who created the original work was juked out of opportunity to own their own songrights

but that restriction and manipulation tactics has hurt the industry in the long run

DE LA SOUL was the primary act who hit George Clinton hard and sampled the entire riff, baseline/hook, melody from the classic KNEE DEEP for their song ME, MYSELF, AND I

http://www.youtube.com/wa...w02oX3_uC8

http://www.youtube.com/wa...-20v1b5jKY

you and I could have did that

Kirk Franklin, he's sampled everyone in sight INCLUDING Parliament/Funkadelic, and he's supposed to be a gospel artist, he's sampled Geroge Clinton countless times....

M.C. Hammer was a huge sampler (Prince, J-5, Rick James, The Chi-lites,) that's just for starters

let's put it this way....if sampling wasn't allowed, where would music be today or even 20 years ago when it ran amuck?

the P-FUNK all stars are performing at venues to this very day, because they were the real musicians

where's DE LA SOUL?

[Edited 9/3/12 10:28am]

Poor Dre...he'll never live down that WCWC outfit, now will he?

smoothcriminal12 said:

On his own album covers he was a she thing

i'm a dre hater. although i admit the chronic and doggystyle are landmark albums even if full of everything i HATE about hip hop. it'll be interesting to see what happens when/if its finally revealed that the man responsible for some of the most uber misogynistic hip hop and hyper-masculine warped bravado is himself a turd burglar

where's DE LA SOUL?

De La Soul is dead!

Now whatthis thread calls for is good ol Eazy pullin ho cards and shit! Methinks everything is self-explanatory here!

datdude said:

i'm a dre hater. although i admit the chronic and doggystyle are landmark albums even if full of everything i HATE about hip hop. it'll be interesting to see what happens when/if its finally revealed that the man responsible for some of the most uber misogynistic hip hop and hyper-masculine warped bravado is himself a turd burglar

I don't think it would make any diff at all, not after all these years. Dre's been outed countless times already.

Let's be honest here...tons of REAL G's get down like that too...foster care, juvie, prison is the path many have taken. We know what happens in these places, so most of that hypermasculine nonsense is just that already for real gs muchless a studio gangsta like Dre.

Old news. I already knew the lyrics to Let Me Ride were written by Snoop Dogg.

As a kid growing up in the 90's I loved guys like Dr. Dre, Snoop Doggy Dogg, Warren G. That whole crew.

Later on I found it was actually Parliament/Funkadelic that I liked, and they were just dudes rapping about some idiotic shit going in the ghetto.

With that said. I still play some of thier records.

[Edited 9/3/12 17:22pm]

P2daP said:

As a kid growing up in the 90's I loved guys like Dr. Dre, Snoop Doggy Dogg, Warren G. That whole crew.

Later on I found it was actually Parliament/Funkadelic that I liked, and they were just dudes rapping about some idiotic shit going in the ghetto.

With that said. I still play some of thier records.

[Edited 9/3/12 17:22pm]

that's the thing, WE WERE listening the Parliament/Funkadelic the whole time

whenever I heard these records, parliament came to my mind instantely, the music was the catch, it was the get up, it was what drew us in

Snoop's debut song WHAT'S MY NAME, that was George Clinton's ATOMIC DOGG some 10 years later.....

Warren G and Nate Dogg w/REGULATE.....that was I KEEP FORGETTIN by Michael McDonald of the Doobie Brothers

the real music is what fueled the direction the industry wanted to take HIP-HOP

but to make it work, the industry had to phase out the actual musicians who made the music, and to do so, they restricted mosts of those artists ability from owning the rights to their own songs

they knew the actual artists and those who sampled their music was not going to be able to coexist

the forefathers from the New York Burroughs in the 70s, those who crafted Hip-Hop issued this warning...they said if the music was ever subjected to commercial exploitation, it would eventually be destroyed

and considering the path this great music has taken in the past 25 years, look where the commercialization has led it to, just what the forefathers predicted

see, when sampling became prevalent, the industry knew the record buyers supporting the age of Hip-Hop wouldn't realized the source of the music they was listening to from the albums of the rappers they were purchasing

it was a grand scheme that worked to perfection, but a tremendous price has been paid as this path has run its course and now we are left hanging, wondering what happened

[Edited 9/3/12 17:49pm]

Scorp said:

ManlyMoose said:

Just know that George Clinton is a big fan of Dre's work with the P-funk samples. Frankly Dre did a great job of reimagining George's work, everythings so layered and juiced up you can barely see any resembalance with the originals.

that's if a person didn't grow during the years where you absolutely knew where the layers and the juicing up came to be, and distinguish that from the original work....

George Clinton's work never needed reimaging, if anything, it's the other way around

when you are the originator of the work that's being presented, you dont' need reimaging

Even as a teenager in the late 80s, I've always been an opponent of sampling, not because of "hating", but because you could see how music was going to eventually dry up because artists were not being encouraged to create their own music and relied on the music from yesterday to stand on

sampling is the lesser road traveled....

I'm not saying Dr. Dre wasn't talented, because he was....but what I am saying is that he could have been a greater producer than he actually was if he came up during a time where making fresh music was the requirement rather than the exception

the reason sampling became so prevalent is that the artists who created the original work was juked out of opportunity to own their own songrights

but that restriction and manipulation tactics has hurt the industry in the long run

DE LA SOUL was the primary act who hit George Clinton hard and sampled the entire riff, baseline/hook, melody from the classic KNEE DEEP for their song ME, MYSELF, AND I

http://www.youtube.com/wa...w02oX3_uC8

http://www.youtube.com/wa...-20v1b5jKY

you and I could have did that

Kirk Franklin, he's sampled everyone in sight INCLUDING Parliament/Funkadelic, and he's supposed to be a gospel artist, he's sampled Geroge Clinton countless times....

M.C. Hammer was a huge sampler (Prince, J-5, Rick James, The Chi-lites,) that's just for starters

let's put it this way....if sampling wasn't allowed, where would music be today or even 20 years ago when it ran amuck?

the P-FUNK all stars are performing at venues to this very day, because they were the real musicians

where's DE LA SOUL?

[Edited 9/3/12 10:28am]

Aside from your comments, many of which I agree with, De La Soul are touring the world. They're back here again in New Zealand soon I have read.

My fave song of theirs I'm pretty sure is all original without samples:

ManlyMoose said:

Just know that George Clinton is a big fan of Dre's work with the P-funk samples. Frankly Dre did a great job of reimagining George's work, everythings so layered and juiced up you can barely see any resembalance with the originals.

Certainly u are joking................

The thing about Dre is that he's less of a producer in the literal sense of the term than a DJ. It's not about him being the originator of anything, but more about how he puts it all together. One thing that can't be denied is that he has a 16th sense about what will work and what won't.

I'm not the world's biggest fan of sampling either, but I don't think it was some sort of conspiracy to destroy live instrumentation. I think it just kinda worked out that way because of a radical shift in musical tastes. After all, the genre itself was started by people who mostly weren't musicians (DJ and MCs) working off albums as their back beat, so it was never about live instrumentalists anyway.

The bigger question for me is why did the public tastes change so radically? Why did we go from huge live bands in the 70s-early 80s to their near extinction from about 87 onwards? It wasn't just about hip hop because RnB also radically changed.

brooksie said:

The bigger question for me is why did the public tastes change so radically? Why did we go from huge live bands in the 70s-early 80s to their near extinction from about 87 onwards? It wasn't just about hip hop because RnB also radically changed.

Too costly. That was the same reason 1930's jazz big bands mostly died out. Most funk groups never really sold that much, as it didn't cross over to the pop audience. So the record companies stopped putting an emphasis on signing them.

Some of the early rap records had bands playing on them. Rapper's Delight and other records on Sugarhill Records was the label's house band. Technically, you could say they were remakes with different lyrics, like Weird Al. Kurtis Blow had Orange Krush. They played on some of Run DMC's early songs too. Whodini had UK musicians like Thomas Dolby. As far as sampling goes, it's not that different from what groups like Led Zeppelin were doing in copying old blues songs.

Gunsnhalen said:

I mean the song is a guility pleasure... but damn

Dre was trying to damn hard to act like a gangsta in this video, i used to really love The Chronic. And Dr. Dre in general, i still think he is a dop producer. But man he just tries to hard to act like he was in some kind of crew & I recently learned most of his rhymes he didn't write himself SHAME

When has Dre not tried to hard

The Chronic go hard though

nd33 said:

Scorp said:

that's if a person didn't grow during the years where you absolutely knew where the layers and the juicing up came to be, and distinguish that from the original work....

George Clinton's work never needed reimaging, if anything, it's the other way around

when you are the originator of the work that's being presented, you dont' need reimaging

Even as a teenager in the late 80s, I've always been an opponent of sampling, not because of "hating", but because you could see how music was going to eventually dry up because artists were not being encouraged to create their own music and relied on the music from yesterday to stand on

sampling is the lesser road traveled....

I'm not saying Dr. Dre wasn't talented, because he was....but what I am saying is that he could have been a greater producer than he actually was if he came up during a time where making fresh music was the requirement rather than the exception

the reason sampling became so prevalent is that the artists who created the original work was juked out of opportunity to own their own songrights

but that restriction and manipulation tactics has hurt the industry in the long run

DE LA SOUL was the primary act who hit George Clinton hard and sampled the entire riff, baseline/hook, melody from the classic KNEE DEEP for their song ME, MYSELF, AND I

http://www.youtube.com/wa...w02oX3_uC8

http://www.youtube.com/wa...-20v1b5jKY

you and I could have did that

Kirk Franklin, he's sampled everyone in sight INCLUDING Parliament/Funkadelic, and he's supposed to be a gospel artist, he's sampled Geroge Clinton countless times....

M.C. Hammer was a huge sampler (Prince, J-5, Rick James, The Chi-lites,) that's just for starters

let's put it this way....if sampling wasn't allowed, where would music be today or even 20 years ago when it ran amuck?

the P-FUNK all stars are performing at venues to this very day, because they were the real musicians

where's DE LA SOUL?

[Edited 9/3/12 10:28am]

Aside from your comments, many of which I agree with, De La Soul are touring the world. They're back here again in New Zealand soon I have read.

My fave song of theirs I'm pretty sure is all original without samples: