Awlays liked this song ... Deep.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I always heard about this song for years, but I never heard it until recently. This song is the jam, yeah it was fucked up, but I feeling this song. One of the rare R&B diss songs.

If you read Jermaine's book, he breaks down the entire situation and the aftermath with the meeting between MJ and Jermaine.

But MJ fans still hold a grudge with Jermaine about this song, they need to get a grip, this was over 20 years ago, some MJ fans were either kids at that time while some weren't even born yet.

I think there was a time when MJ lost touch with reality and who he was, and he had to be brought down to earth, and I'm not even talking about his skin because I don't believe he was ashame of being Black, I'm talking about him having a superiority rich man complex, cutting off the people who knew him before the fame.

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thatruth said:

I always heard about this song for years, but I never heard it until recently. This song is the jam, Mike was my boy and all, but I feeling this song. One of the rare R&B diss songs.

If you read Jermaine's book, he breaks down the entire situation and the aftermath with the meeting between MJ and Jermaine.

But MJ fans still hold a grudge with Jermaine about this song, they need to get a grip, this was over 20 years ago, some MJ fans were either kids at that time while some weren't even born yet.

Lol at people holding a grudge. I never gave a damn, the song was jammin.

Whatever beef they had was between the, two.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

he wrong 4 that

this was a song that needed 2 b done michael distanced himself from his family and just totally shut them down cuz he thought he was the big bad superstar then when all the charges came who was there michael?? your family they was in court on days michael wasnt even there.michael acted as if he hated being black til white america turned on him he even went out and bought some white kids

Lol @ people making huge assumptions about the history behind this song and how it was necessary for Jermaine to make it. No one knows the family situation, so let's just leave it and focus on how good this song is.

kidmelody2012 said:

he wrong 4 that

I agree If Jermaine had a problem with Michael,he should have met with him and told him those things to his face.Releasing a 'diss record' about his own brother,was a shameful thing to do.The media was already giving Michael a hard time.He shouldn't have had to deal with nonsense like that from his own brother!

Ironically,all these years later,family members are upset that Paris is tweeting about the family drama.But back in the day,Jermaine (and LaToya) had no problem with airing the family's dirty laundry to the world.

musicology54 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Awlays liked this song ... Deep.

Same here. The only thing I don't like is the line that says "once you were made,you changed your shade, was your color wrong?". Unless he meant that he was showing his true colors.

Jermaine was definitely referring to Michael's skin color.I can't believe that he didn't know that his brother had vitilgio.

SoulAlive said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

SoulAlive said:

Jermaine was definitely referring to Michael's skin color.I can't believe that he didn't know that his brother had vitilgio.

He wouldn't know unless he was told.

He could have simply asked,instead of believing what he apparently read in the tabloids.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Lol @ people making huge assumptions about the history behind this song and how it was necessary for Jermaine to make it. No one knows the family situation, so let's just leave it and focus on how good this song is.

and u talking like u know the family history so people can assume all they want they can project whatever the hell they like

I have no issue with the lyrical content of the song whatsoever...my whole thing is, if he had all those things to say to him why didn't he just do it privately instead of releasing a song about it to the entire free world.

But that's all water under the bridge now and Jermaine was there and had his back at the trial just like the rest of his family did. Whose to say that if he could re-do things, he'd even release that song today. Everybody fucks up.

cbarnes3121 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Lol @ people making huge assumptions about the history behind this song and how it was necessary for Jermaine to make it. No one knows the family situation, so let's just leave it and focus on how good this song is.

and u talking like u know the family history so people can assume all they want they can project whatever the hell they like

I didn't say I know anything about the family history. I swear you are always responding with some fuck shit.

smoothcriminal12 said:

cbarnes3121 said:

and u talking like u know the family history so people can assume all they want they can project whatever the hell they like

I didn't say I know anything about the family history. I swear you are always responding with some fuck shit.

This made me laugh.

SoulAlive said:

kidmelody2012 said:

he wrong 4 that

I agree If Jermaine had a problem with Michael,he should have met with him and told him those things to his face.Releasing a 'diss record' about his own brother,was a shameful thing to do.The media was already giving Michael a hard time.He shouldn't have had to deal with nonsense like that from his own brother!

Ironically,all these years later,family members are upset that Paris is tweeting about the family drama.But back in the day,Jermaine (and LaToya) had no problem with airing the family's dirty laundry to the world.

You're doing a LOT of assuming. How do you know the family wasn't equally pissed with Jermaine for this track once it was released publically?

Analyst said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I didn't say I know anything about the family history. I swear you are always responding with some fuck shit.

This made me laugh.

But it's true!

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Analyst said:

This made me laugh.

But it's true!

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...Yes...it is.

Analyst said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

But it's true!

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...Yes...it is.

Actually it's an interesting song, although I do not like the tone of voice Jermaine (not just in this song, but in general)

incredible that Jermaine decided to sing a song with such a controversial lyrics .... MJ was a very influential figure at the time.

I have always looked at Jermaine as a, "Two faced-Rock'em Sock'em Robot headed, bastard". Sure all siblings have disagreements, but to air it in public and make money off of it at the same time, is just ass-backward. There was no cause for it...

This was said to be written for a movie to star The Time & Janet. Some people think it's about Joseph, although Janet denied it.

Janet is full of shit, who else is she singing about? Prince's father in Purple Rain? Her selective memory "forgot" about the album "Scandal" A & M wanted her to release.

Anyways I always liked Jermaine's song too, but the version where he sings "you changed your ways" instead of the shade crap, so that way it sounds like a breakup song instead.

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SoulAlive said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

SoulAlive said: He wouldn't know unless he was told.

He could have simply asked,instead of believing what he apparently read in the tabloids.

Thats why I was angry at Janet with those interviews after Michael passed. If they claim to be so close to Michael why are they unaware of SIMPLE things family should ALREADY know?

Thats no excuse... Jermaine should have known that and to be honest I think he did know he just mentioned that in the song to futher tarnish Michaels public image, FUCK HIM

alphastreet said:

Janet is full of shit, who else is she singing about? Prince's father in Purple Rain? Her selective memory "forgot" about the album "Scandal" A & M wanted her to release.

Anyways I always liked Jermaine's song too, but the version where he sings "you changed your ways" instead of the shade crap, so that way it sounds like a breakup song instead.

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She really is...

at least Jermaine was honest about who he was singing about...

cbarnes3121 said:

this was a song that needed 2 b done michael distanced himself from his family and just totally shut them down cuz he thought he was the big bad superstar then when all the charges came who was there michael?? your family they was in court on days michael wasnt even there.michael acted as if he hated being black til white america turned on him he even went out and bought some white kids

Yea I would distance myself from leeches to... greedy bastards. Michael didnt forget nothing. He spent his entire life paying for the family... thats bullshit

mjscarousal said:

cbarnes3121 said:

this was a song that needed 2 b done michael distanced himself from his family and just totally shut them down cuz he thought he was the big bad superstar then when all the charges came who was there michael?? your family they was in court on days michael wasnt even there.michael acted as if he hated being black til white america turned on him he even went out and bought some white kids

Yea I would distance myself from leeches to... greedy bastards. Michael didnt forget nothing. He spent his entire life paying for the family... thats bullshit

i always that it was low to release that song, and when i found out the real deal with jermaine, i thought it was even lower than low.

at the time this song was released, jermaine was laying up at hayvenhurst with his mistress and their kids. mj was paying for every mortgage, every light bill, every food bill, and i'm sure, every hospital bill or insurance for jermaine and his family, yet jermaine had the nerve to treat him like this? and even AFTER he did this, mj continued to pay for jermaine and his next mistress, randy's ex and their kids, and all the while he had been paying for that woman and her children with randy at the same time he was paying for jermaine's? i doubt there is one person this board who would have done that, who would have put up with that. i would have put jermaine's black ass O-U-T out the day that record was released, and i know most people would have done the same.

i don't understand how people can know this, and still say that mj turned his back on his family or the black community. after his death, earl ofari hutchinson wrote a piece in the huffington post about how mj had continued to support a BLACK organization here in l.a., quietly and at a time when everyone thought he was on his last legs and was broke. he may have not had as much money to dole out at the end of his life, but what he had, he shared. fuck jermaine. what goes around comes around. now the brother he took advantage of is dead, and jermaine is shut out of the will. mj had the final 'word to the badd', didn't he?

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mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

He could have simply asked,instead of believing what he apparently read in the tabloids.

Thats why I was angry at Janet with those interviews after Michael passed. If they claim to be so close to Michael why are they unaware of SIMPLE things family should ALREADY know?

Thats no excuse... Jermaine should have known that and to be honest I think he did know he just mentioned that in the song to futher tarnish Michaels public image, FUCK HIM

Stop going on about this. What she said about Michael was true.

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