alphastreet said:

I remember her being very popular in the 90's outside North America, I don't think anyone is denying that and I would say international star too back then, but her popularity went down since All For You, and a part of this is cause of more promo in North America and Japan, and getting rid of her All for You tourdates in Europe which led to backlash among fans. After superbowl, she could have taken advantage of worldwide fame to support the tour that didn't happen and kept getting pushed back to newer eras, but Damita Jo only did well in the US and in Europe from what I recall, all they were doing was asking her about michael's case and her family over there, no one cared about the music out there, it's a miracle she got urban support in the US. Sure number ones did really well, but in smaller arenas, which is very different from a stadium that she can no longer sell out.

Everyone's popularity dampens. Does that mean that we should ignore/forget what they used to be?

mjscarousal said:

Unholyalliance said:

Generally speaking there's nothing wrong, but it's the pure hypocrisy that some stans operate on sometimes comes off as slightly annoying.

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Pretty Much

Ha! You're one to talk.

Azz said:

alphastreet said:

I remember her being very popular in the 90's outside North America, I don't think anyone is denying that and I would say international star too back then, but her popularity went down since All For You, and a part of this is cause of more promo in North America and Japan, and getting rid of her All for You tourdates in Europe which led to backlash among fans. After superbowl, she could have taken advantage of worldwide fame to support the tour that didn't happen and kept getting pushed back to newer eras, but Damita Jo only did well in the US and in Europe from what I recall, all they were doing was asking her about michael's case and her family over there, no one cared about the music out there, it's a miracle she got urban support in the US. Sure number ones did really well, but in smaller arenas, which is very different from a stadium that she can no longer sell out.

Everyone's popularity dampens. Does that mean that we should ignore/forget what they used to be?

See, that's just it. The classic line from these people are "I remember when she used to be..." or "Back when she was...", when they don't realize that she is still that. She's still the one who helped create the blueprint that all of the current pop divas follow.

i'd imagine sometimes we tend to forget that we too can be in the center of negative controversy - in imagining that, the thought made me think of the following quote:

"One's own scheite doesn't smell." ~old russian saying

however in this dismal reality for many giving our honest opinion(s) on other's life can be fun, especially when the paparrizi's, the entertainment media, the national television news and the such promote this type of mentality.

so fun on. i mean "float on" like in the song.

janet is as normal as any of us. there is no script given to any of us at birth that tells us how we should be and the such.(me personally, i have oft times wish there was one). i give kudos to janet for being a strong women, a women with vulnerabilities, yet she keeps on moving on.

like frank sinatra sang it, "that's life!"

I think she on a plateau. If Janet wanted an arena tour nothing stopping here.

ya take the humps with the bumps.

Unholyalliance said:

lowkey said:

whats wrong with sean or any other janet fan riding hard for her?

Generally speaking there's nothing wrong, but it's the pure hypocrisy that some stans operate on sometimes comes off as slightly annoying.

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there is nothing more hypocritical than michael jackson stans rallying around the tabloids during this obvious smear campaign against his sister. most stans are annoying,i think one of the requirements to being a good stan is you must be super annoying.i just find it interesting that folks seem to think janet stans are not suppose to ride hard for her like other stan bases.

the word "stan" seems intriguing. decided to look it up. so i could better understand it's meaning.

so i'm guessing while feeling that there is some irony here for those who have fused the word "stan" into their vocabulary.

so i'm asking who is the real stan, the user of the word or the stan?

also if one supports and respects a person of controversy, then does it makes them a stan? hmmm i think not.

or if someone speaks out against the stan, do they then become an anti-stan at that moment? maybe so. it kinda seems like subtle and harmless split personality mind morph to jump from stan to anti stan.

let me see if i've got it: one's the top-stan, and the other is the understan? just kidding!

seriously though, if one's respecting janet's right to be in a non-insulting and non-mud slinging mode makes that person cool imo . me, i wish her well.

imo

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Azz said:

alphastreet said:

I remember her being very popular in the 90's outside North America, I don't think anyone is denying that and I would say international star too back then, but her popularity went down since All For You, and a part of this is cause of more promo in North America and Japan, and getting rid of her All for You tourdates in Europe which led to backlash among fans. After superbowl, she could have taken advantage of worldwide fame to support the tour that didn't happen and kept getting pushed back to newer eras, but Damita Jo only did well in the US and in Europe from what I recall, all they were doing was asking her about michael's case and her family over there, no one cared about the music out there, it's a miracle she got urban support in the US. Sure number ones did really well, but in smaller arenas, which is very different from a stadium that she can no longer sell out.

Everyone's popularity dampens. Does that mean that we should ignore/forget what they used to be?

I can never forget what janet has done and how much she's inspired me, don't start with that shit. I'm just telling it how I've observed it since. She did do smaller arenas, her singles were only doing ok on the r&b and dance charts, only a couple made top 20 since the superbowl and so forth. But let's not fool ourselves, cause she was popular but not madonna/michael popular, very, very, very few have achieved that and I myself used to wish she got more credit and recognition, and still maintain that I see more janet influence in britney than madonna in the early days though media never said that. Had always said this when defending her and still will.

SEANMAN said:

Azz said:

Everyone's popularity dampens. Does that mean that we should ignore/forget what they used to be?

See, that's just it. The classic line from these people are "I remember when she used to be..." or "Back when she was...", when they don't realize that she is still that. She's still the one who helped create the blueprint that all of the current pop divas follow.

People said that about other artists too that have been around long and still inspired many, she's not the only one they talk about like that.

surely someone has said in 248 posts that because you think so doesn't mean she does. talk about speculation to the 10th degree. even as we observe and hear stuff, we are SO FAR removed from lots of details let alone the inner thoughts of someone's mind!

lowkey said:

just find it interesting that folks seem to think janet stans are not suppose to ride hard for her like other stan bases.

Only when CERTAIN ones spend most of their time calling out other ones for doing the same exact thing that they do. I also know, exactly, who I'm referring to and they should too.

U Mj fammies will not throw Janet's name in the mud like MJ was while he was alive. In all the years that she been in entertainment she hasn't been in any scandals at all..

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

U Mj fammies will not throw Janet's name in the mud like MJ was while he was alive. In all the years that she been in entertainment she hasn't been in any scandals at all..

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

U Mj fammies will not throw Janet's name in the mud like MJ was while he was alive. In all the years that she been in entertainment she hasn't been in any scandals at all..

Need I remind you of the Superbowl and Rene going after her? Des'ree going after her for GTIG? Let's not fool ourselves, and I think it's unfair to discredit someone for dealing with scandals, everyone in entertainment has dealt with it in some shape or form in their careers, that's the nature of the business.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

U Mj fammies will not throw Janet's name in the mud like MJ was while he was alive. In all the years that she been in entertainment she hasn't been in any scandals at all..

Now you betta sit ya ass down.

I ain't never thrown Janet's name in the mud. I love that girl as much as the next person but her actions during this mess ain't helpin'...

Still care about her though...and I wouldn't hurt her or disrespect her.

And the girl has been through scandals. Just they were not as hyped up to the magnitude that her brother faced.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

U Mj fammies will not throw Janet's name in the mud like MJ was while he was alive. In all the years that she been in entertainment she hasn't been in any scandals at all..

Now you betta sit ya ass down.

I ain't never thrown Janet's name in the mud. I love that girl as much as the next person but her actions during this mess ain't helpin'...

Still care about her though...and I wouldn't hurt her or disrespect her.

And the girl has been through scandals. Just they were not as hyped up to the magnitude that her brother faced.

Exactly!

alphastreet said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Now you betta sit ya ass down.

I ain't never thrown Janet's name in the mud. I love that girl as much as the next person but her actions during this mess ain't helpin'...

Still care about her though...and I wouldn't hurt her or disrespect her.

And the girl has been through scandals. Just they were not as hyped up to the magnitude that her brother faced.

Exactly!

I think she has only really been in one high profile scandal, where she was at fault.

Rene doesn't count - it was a devorce (which are generally 'messy', particulary with that lawsuit) because he was unfaithful. I don't see that as a scandal.

The latest Jackson drama... I don't see that as a scandal either TBH.

But The Superbowl defintely was.

And in comparison to other artists, her lst of scandals might seem relatively short, and - minus the superbowl - relatively mild.

SoulAlive said:

What the...?! Here, comes Seanman, Super Avenger...again!

musicology54 said:

Is that all you can say whenever you are proven wrong? KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Proven wrong? Nah boo boo...I speak the truth...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Azz said:

alphastreet said:

Exactly!

I think she has only really been in one high profile scandal, where she was at fault.

Rene doesn't count - it was a devorce (which are generally 'messy', particulary with that lawsuit) because he was unfaithful. I don't see that as a scandal.

The latest Jackson drama... I don't see that as a scandal either TBH.

But The Superbowl defintely was.

And in comparison to other artists, her lst of scandals might seem relatively short, and - minus the superbowl - relatively mild.

There are also double standards when it comes to her and other artists. Janet got in shit for Blackglama ads and there was controversy, but it was not splattered all over the news the way it was when someone complained about mj's neverland animals in 2006 and threatened to get PETA in there, alleging they weren't being cared for. Both related to PETA, but the mj one seems more scandalous cause it was hyped up more, janet's not so much. Plus Janet caused controversy with the VR tour ad on some highway cause of her pelvic area and breasts, but it was not repeated over and over the way mj got flack for the black or white extended scene. If janet was more popular than michael and the roles were reversed, those things would be repeated over and over too cause of her name, you have to look at it that way.

alphastreet said:

purplethunder3121 said:

What the...?! Here, comes Seanman, Super Avenger...again!

SoulAlive said:

Somebody ought to come with a reality-based tv show about crazy fans: Real Stans of Atlanta, or some shit

alphastreet said:

Azz said:

I think she has only really been in one high profile scandal, where she was at fault.

Rene doesn't count - it was a devorce (which are generally 'messy', particulary with that lawsuit) because he was unfaithful. I don't see that as a scandal.

The latest Jackson drama... I don't see that as a scandal either TBH.

But The Superbowl defintely was.

And in comparison to other artists, her lst of scandals might seem relatively short, and - minus the superbowl - relatively mild.

There are also double standards when it comes to her and other artists. Janet got in shit for Blackglama ads and there was controversy, but it was not splattered all over the news the way it was when someone complained about mj's neverland animals in 2006 and threatened to get PETA in there, alleging they weren't being cared for. Both related to PETA, but the mj one seems more scandalous cause it was hyped up more, janet's not so much. Plus Janet caused controversy with the VR tour ad on some highway cause of her pelvic area and breasts, but it was not repeated over and over the way mj got flack for the black or white extended scene. If janet was more popular than michael and the roles were reversed, those things would be repeated over and over too cause of her name, you have to look at it that way.

none of these things are scandalous. what was the blackgama controversy,janet wearing fur? so what if she like fur,peta dont control people's lives, she's not doing anything against the law by wearing leather or fur.janet promoting blackgama is not the same as her having a bunch of animals living at her house and being accused of neglecting them. janet posing in an add showing skin is not a scandal, how can you even compare that to mike beating himself on a video for no reason? being more popular have nothing to do with anything you said in this post,janet's only real scandal has been the superbowl, mike repeatedly did dumb shit thats why his name was dragged through the mud more than janet's.i dont know anybody who would argue that janet was more popular then mike so i dont know what point you're trying to make.