GoldDolphin said:

seeingvoices12 said:

how come snippets of the new songs never leaked yet......leakleak

hahaha I know lol... Abortion Papers was leaked some days ago, but sony quickly removed it and I havent found it anywhere... =(.... We should wait tho, just some 11 days left!

I honestly think snippets do nothing but ruin the entire experience of appreciating songs. Really, what does 45 seconds of a song that you know if you wait just a little more you can listen to the full version of it in one sitting gonna do now? Imo they only cause some hollow excitement for the moment which always ends up turning into disappointment & whining from the same people when they finally hear the entire version the song. From my experience, snippets are just NOT the way to appreciate music.

Unless of course if you guys are talking about the remixes...I mean we already kind know what to expect lol.

GoldDolphin said:

Michael was always a very hot and attractive man, with or without surgery. I personally will never understand why the jacksons are obsessed with their noses, but MJ was FINE before surgery and after.

When I was first getting into MJ, that's what really impressed me most about his fans, the fact that a lot of them couldn't care less of how he looked and they just went straight to discuss his music and his talent. Which is also something I just never understand from people who don't like MJ, and constantly complain about his looks. Especially when older people bring up this issue...I just don't get it. You practically grew up with MJ, didn't you see his face morphing for the last 3 decades? I mean isn't it about time you should be so sick and tired of talking about how he looked? Yeah he looked weird and not so natural in many pictures, EVERYONE can see that...just move on already.

Emancipation89 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Michael was always a very hot and attractive man, with or without surgery. I personally will never understand why the jacksons are obsessed with their noses, but MJ was FINE before surgery and after.

When I was first getting into MJ, that's what really impressed me most about his fans, the fact that a lot of them couldn't care less of how he looked and they just went straight to discuss his music and his talent. Which is also something I just never understand from people who don't like MJ, and constantly complain about his looks. Especially when older people bring up this issue...I just don't get it. You practically grew up with MJ, didn't you see his face morphing for the last 3 decades? I mean isn't it about time you should be so sick and tired of talking about how he looked? Yeah he looked weird and not so natural in many pictures, EVERYONE can see that...just move on already.

i honestly think that Michael Jackson was very attractive... if you really sit down and look at photos,he didnt change as much as you think. the media will always drag out a photo from michael as a teenager w and compare it with a photo of him when hes like 45... thats not fair, if you really look and examine his face, you will see that there wasnt as many changes as you think.

of coarse you have to keep in mind his skin is lighter due to vitaligo, but if you really look at the two photos.. michaels face never "morphed" maybe changed a little.. but he was always beautiful.

dm3857 said:

Emancipation89 said:

When I was first getting into MJ, that's what really impressed me most about his fans, the fact that a lot of them couldn't care less of how he looked and they just went straight to discuss his music and his talent. Which is also something I just never understand from people who don't like MJ, and constantly complain about his looks. Especially when older people bring up this issue...I just don't get it. You practically grew up with MJ, didn't you see his face morphing for the last 3 decades? I mean isn't it about time you should be so sick and tired of talking about how he looked? Yeah he looked weird and not so natural in many pictures, EVERYONE can see that...just move on already.

i honestly think that Michael Jackson was very attractive... if you really sit down and look at photos,he didnt change as much as you think. the media will always drag out a photo from michael as a teenager w and compare it with a photo of him when hes like 45... thats not fair, if you really look and examine his face, you will see that there wasnt as many changes as you think.

of coarse you have to keep in mind his skin is lighter due to vitaligo, but if you really look at the two photos.. michaels face never "morphed" maybe changed a little.. but he was always beautiful.

OK, so this has bugged me forever. Am I the only one who thinks he had THE WORST taste in sunglasses, though? He was an amazing style icon in every other way, but those. damn. sunglasses. They may also be irritating because I think by anyone's judgment he had gorgeous eyes, but still. Fucking terrible sunglasses.

On a different note, was anyone watching the DNC last night? They played "Can You Feel It" a few times. I was all, "Woo-hoo, the Jacksons are on C-Span!"

[Edited 9/5/12 18:55pm]

I like the Bad era sunglasses best on him, but then again I think at other times he had reasons for wearing them, I wouldn't be surprised if he had photosensitivity with all those camera flashes, and other times they helped when he looked tired

[Edited 9/5/12 20:44pm]

Emancipation89 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Michael was always a very hot and attractive man, with or without surgery. I personally will never understand why the jacksons are obsessed with their noses, but MJ was FINE before surgery and after.

When I was first getting into MJ, that's what really impressed me most about his fans, the fact that a lot of them couldn't care less of how he looked and they just went straight to discuss his music and his talent. Which is also something I just never understand from people who don't like MJ, and constantly complain about his looks. Especially when older people bring up this issue...I just don't get it. You practically grew up with MJ, didn't you see his face morphing for the last 3 decades? I mean isn't it about time you should be so sick and tired of talking about how he looked? Yeah he looked weird and not so natural in many pictures, EVERYONE can see that...just move on already.

Arbwyth said:

dm3857 said:

i honestly think that Michael Jackson was very attractive... if you really sit down and look at photos,he didnt change as much as you think. the media will always drag out a photo from michael as a teenager w and compare it with a photo of him when hes like 45... thats not fair, if you really look and examine his face, you will see that there wasnt as many changes as you think.

of coarse you have to keep in mind his skin is lighter due to vitaligo, but if you really look at the two photos.. michaels face never "morphed" maybe changed a little.. but he was always beautiful.

OK, so this has bugged me forever. Am I the only one who thinks he had THE WORST taste in sunglasses, though? He was an amazing style icon in every other way, but those. damn. sunglasses. They may also be irritating because I think by anyone's judgment he had gorgeous eyes, but still. Fucking terrible sunglasses.

On a different note, was anyone watching the DNC last night? They played "Can You Feel It" a few times. I was all, "Woo-hoo, the Jacksons are on C-Span!"

[Edited 9/5/12 18:55pm]

I also hate these two sungalsses.

It could have been worse, he may have worn them to Oxford with that awful jacket

alphastreet said:

It could have been worse, he may have worn them to Oxford with that awful jacket

I think that Oxford look was officially his worst.

So Howard Mann is supposedly responsible for leaking the AEG emails to the press?

Source of leaked Michael Jackson e-mails identified

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Dramatic e-mails about Michael Jackson's condition before his death were leaked to a reporter by a businessman who just settled a copyright lawsuit with Jackson's estate, that businessman told CNN.

The admission by Howard Mann that he provided the controversial documents to the Los Angeles Times contradicts a claim by lawyers for concert promoter AEG Live that they have "unequivocal evidence" showing that Jackson's mother and her lawyers leaked the e-mails.

The source of the leak is crucial to the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson and the late pop star's three children because the judge in the case ordered the documents sealed.

AEG's lawyers filed a motion Monday asking the judge to impose tough sanctions on the Jacksons, including fining them and preventing them from using the e-mails as evidence in their effort to prove the promoter contributed to Jackson's death as he prepared for comeback concerts in 2009.

AEG did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment about Mann's claim of responsibility for the leak.

"We were able to learn today that apparently Howard Mann has admitted that he was the source, and that he definitely never received any documents from Katherine, Prince, Paris, or Blanket Jackson, nor from their lawyers in the wrongful death suit against AEG," said Jackson lawyer Kevin Boyle. Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson are Michael Jackson's children.

Boyle criticized AEG's lawyers for their haste in pointing the finger at the Jacksons.

"AEG made these accusations against the Jackson family and their lawyers apparently without doing even the most rudimentary investigation," Boyle said. "We are further disturbed that the motion for sanctions filed by AEG was given to the press before it was served on Katherine Jackson or her counsel."

If the AEG lawyers had reached out to the Jackson lawyers earlier, they could have helped solve the mystery of the leaked documents, he said.

"AEG has known about the alleged leak since a week before the article was published," Boyle said. "AEG never contacted the Jackson's counsel to inquire about the article or the documents."

The e-mails revealed the promoter for Jackson's "This Is It" concerts expressed doubts about the star's ability to be ready for the shows but expressed confidence in the private doctor eventually convicted in Jackson's death.

AEG Live President Randy Phillips was responding to show director Kenny Ortega's e-mail, which said Jackson had "strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior" and suggesting they bring a "top psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."

Jackson died on June 25, 2009, from what the Los Angeles County coroner ruled was an overdose of a surgical anesthetic and sedatives, drugs that Dr. Conrad Murray told police he used to help the entertainer sleep as he prepared for the concerts set to start two weeks later.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to four years in prison last year.

Mann, who once partnered with Katherine Jackson on a book and documentary about her family, said he obtained the documents from various sources, but none of them came from the Jacksons or their lawyers.

He gave them to Los Angeles Times reporter Harriet Ryan because he wanted the story of Jackson's death to be told, Mann said. Mann's company settled a copyright dispute with Jackson's estate over use of Jackson's images this week.

"The Times does not comment on sources," Ryan said in response to CNN's request for comment on Mann's claim that he gave them to her.

AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam went on a public relations and legal offensive against Katherine Jackson and her lawyers this week in response to Ryan's article and the subsequent stories by other news outlets, including CNN.

"AEG believes the unequivocal evidence shows that Katherine Jackson and her attorneys leaked these documents to the press," he said in a statement to CNN. "The documents released to the press were given to Mrs. Jackson and her attorneys -- and to no one else -- confidentially in discovery and subject to a court order."

But Mann said he got the e-mails from several sources, including Jackson fans who contacted him. Some of the documents were part of discovery in other cases, including the criminal trial of Dr. Murray, he said.

Boyle, the Jackson lawyer, also told CNN that other parties had the same documents.

The lawyers involved in an ongoing insurance case against AEG should have many of them, he said, since they are all relevant to that lawsuit. Lloyds of London seeks to void a $17.5 million policy that AEG purchased in case Jackson was not able to perform the 50 shows scheduled for London's O2 Arena. The insurer contends AEG hid Jackson's health problems and failed to respond to repeated requests for his medical history.

"Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson and their lawyers deny AEG's allegations that we gave any protected documents to the press," Boyle said.

The documents made public in the Los Angeles Times story are not the most damaging to AEG that were uncovered, Boyle said.

"We can assure you that we are in possession of documents that make for an extremely compelling story in the wrongful death case, and that completely support the plaintiffs' claims," he said.

AEG Live's president called Jackson's death "a terrible tragedy" in an e-mail weeks after he died, adding "but life must go on."

"AEG will make a fortune from merch sales, ticket retention, the touring exhibition and the film/dvd," Phillips wrote. In fact, AEG Live was allowed to sell Jackson tour merchandise and share in the profits from the documentary "This Is It," produced from rehearsal video.

The e-mails suggest AEG Live's president saw Jackson's problems first hand the day the pop star was to appear at the O2 Arena to publicly announce the shows.

"MJ is locked in his room drunk and despondent," Phillips wrote in a March 5, 2009, e-mail to AEG Live's parent company, the paper reported. "I (am) trying to sober him up."

"I screamed at him so loud the walls are shaking," Phillips wrote. "He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self loathing and doubt now that it is show time."

The promoter blamed London traffic when Jackson was 90 minutes late for the announcement that day.

"He's as healthy as he can be -- no health problems whatsoever," Phillips told CNN two months later to refute reports Jackson's health was threatening the concerts.

The Los Angeles Times story, however, said the e-mails indicated major doubts about Jackson's ability to perform.

"We cannot be forced into stopping this, which MJ will try to do because he is lazy and constantly changes his mind to fit his immediate wants," AEG Live executive Paul Gongaware e-mailed to Phillips.

Jackson's missed rehearsals in June triggered concerns in e-mails that he was slow in learning his dance routines and would have to lip-sync on stage, the newspaper reported.

"MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time," one e-mail from the show's music director read, the paper reported.

A production manager wrote: "He was a basket case. Doubt is pervasive."

A loud warning from Ortega, who worked closely with Jackson on previous tours, came in mid-June, just over a week before his death.

"It is like there are two people there. One (deep inside) trying to hold on to what he was and still can be and not wanting us to quit him, the other in this weakened and troubled state," Ortega wrote. "I believe we need professional guidance in this matter."

Ortega testified at Murray's trial about his concerns about Jackson's frail condition and missed rehearsals. It resulted in a meeting six days before Jackson's death in which Murray assured the promoters he would have Jackson ready for rehearsals that next week.

An e-mail from Phillips after that meeting said he had confidence in Murray "who I am gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more."

"This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig, so he (is) totally unbiased and ethical," Phillips' e-mail said.

The correspondence could play a role in the wrongful death lawsuit, which accuses the promoter of contributing to his death by pressuring him to prepare for the concerts despite his weak condition.

http://edition.cnn.com/20...index.html

Nope, not buyin a lot of stuff in this story. Howard is claiming full responsibility--why? Not totally convinced that he is the actual guy behind the leaking of the emails, but even if he was, why come forward and admit it? Story is full of holes.

FUCK HOWARD MANN..... His such a leech why dont he get a real job already

I LOVED MJs glasses... theie so stylish I dont see how anybody could find them tacky.... he had the type of shades that went with everything he wore.

Michael has always been handsome to me and the fact that he had a beautiful personality makes him even more attractive.... the only time I thought he looked not like himself/awkward was during Invincible era but alot of his surgerical procedures etc was and is heavily exaggerated by the media. He honestly doesnt look that much different besides the obvious skin condition. If he had wore his hair shorter and with curly hair (like he did back in 1995) he would look the same as in the Thriller days. I think if he had wore his hair more shorter, people would be able to see his face more and see that he didnt like that much different.

[Edited 9/6/12 9:16am]

BET to Present BAD25: THE SHORT FILMS OF MICHAEL JACKSON, 9/18

Read more:http://tv.broadwayworld.c...z25i4VpLP6

Emancipation89 said:

GoldDolphin said:

hahaha I know lol... Abortion Papers was leaked some days ago, but sony quickly removed it and I havent found it anywhere... =(.... We should wait tho, just some 11 days left!

I honestly think snippets do nothing but ruin the entire experience of appreciating songs. Really, what does 45 seconds of a song that you know if you wait just a little more you can listen to the full version of it in one sitting gonna do now? Imo they only cause some hollow excitement for the moment which always ends up turning into disappointment & whining from the same people when they finally hear the entire version the song. From my experience, snippets are just NOT the way to appreciate music.

Unless of course if you guys are talking about the remixes...I mean we already kind know what to expect lol.

I know what you mean, but when I said the song leaked the other day - the whole 3 minute song leaked. lol... I do agree with what you're saying tho! Like I said, there's just 10 days left now ;D...

dm3857 said:

Emancipation89 said:

When I was first getting into MJ, that's what really impressed me most about his fans, the fact that a lot of them couldn't care less of how he looked and they just went straight to discuss his music and his talent. Which is also something I just never understand from people who don't like MJ, and constantly complain about his looks. Especially when older people bring up this issue...I just don't get it. You practically grew up with MJ, didn't you see his face morphing for the last 3 decades? I mean isn't it about time you should be so sick and tired of talking about how he looked? Yeah he looked weird and not so natural in many pictures, EVERYONE can see that...just move on already.

i honestly think that Michael Jackson was very attractive... if you really sit down and look at photos,he didnt change as much as you think. the media will always drag out a photo from michael as a teenager w and compare it with a photo of him when hes like 45... thats not fair, if you really look and examine his face, you will see that there wasnt as many changes as you think.

of coarse you have to keep in mind his skin is lighter due to vitaligo, but if you really look at the two photos.. michaels face never "morphed" maybe changed a little.. but he was always beautiful.

I agree. I mean the vitiligo and the lupus + the times when he was extremely skinny made him look very different but then again - that would make anyone look different. He had many nosejobs in the late 90s that should have never been allowed. It's quite sad, because he was a very attractive man. I didnt grow up with the "black MJ" because I'm a 90s kid but despite that, I truly never saw the difference like the tabloids tried to make it seem, nor did anyone in my family except for the nose and chin. The make up artist he had in the late HIStory era and Invincible era, did a horrific job as well.

[Edited 9/6/12 10:45am]

Another Part of Me from the Wembley DVD is streaming on Amazon (only till midnight on Friday).

Link below should work...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_171290187_2?ie=UTF8&docId=1000665893&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=right-6&pf_rd_r=1QEDAS1DGC8H6NR2YGQD&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=324517427&pf_rd_i=468294

Glascutter said:

Another Part of Me from the Wembley DVD is streaming on Amazon (only till midnight on Friday).

Link below should work...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_171290187_2?ie=UTF8&docId=1000665893&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=right-6&pf_rd_r=1QEDAS1DGC8H6NR2YGQD&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=324517427&pf_rd_i=468294

wow! i cant wait to see more!!! a lot of fans are going to complain about the quality, but all in all its pretty good from being taken from a VHS. im just thankful we are getting the dvd!

Rolling Stone Australia article on MJ:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/j6adn1

Nero mix has put me on a high!

mjscarousal said:

FUCK HOWARD MANN..... His such a leech why dont he get a real job already

I LOVED MJs glasses... theie so stylish I dont see how anybody could find them tacky.... he had the type of shades that went with everything he wore.

No, no, I don't find them tacky! I just think they covered so much of his face, and had that weird bridge, although as someone said above, it's understandable why he wore them. I may have a bias, because my dad wore the exact same style of sunglasses in the 80s, and he had a habit of pairing them with Daisy Duke jeans, that he had cut off himself from old jeans. So it's possible that I'm just engaging in guilt by association.

Arbwyth said:

mjscarousal said:

FUCK HOWARD MANN..... His such a leech why dont he get a real job already

I LOVED MJs glasses... theie so stylish I dont see how anybody could find them tacky.... he had the type of shades that went with everything he wore.

No, no, I don't find them tacky! I just think they covered so much of his face, and had that weird bridge, although as someone said above, it's understandable why he wore them. I may have a bias, because my dad wore the exact same style of sunglasses in the 80s, and he had a habit of pairing them with Daisy Duke jeans, that he had cut off himself from old jeans. So it's possible that I'm just engaging in guilt by association.

I just think no sunglasses can be cool enough to hide those gorgeous eyes.

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… sry 4 bombing your current talks ..

Hi Princes and Princesses, Dr Prince, your highnesses .. I’m a very proud Prince and MJ fan from good ol’Germany and a newbe here in this realm.

Sometimes my English is really bad .. you’ll recognize soon.. 2BAD 2BAD should I say .. but I’ll try my very best … hope you understand and apologize my sometimes inability

BTT. Does anybody know this story Dr Arnold Klein told on facebook?:

The Anniversary of making of Bad is coming up. This song was originally planned as a duet between Prince and Michael. Well Prince showed up at Hayvenhurst one day with a box of chocolates and long lace like shawl for Michael. Michael sat him down and started his whole plan for the video. Will do this then that ...then this...that and we can use Scorsese and maybe Cameron! Hold on and Michael left the room for a second and before you could even say Purple Rain Prince was gone and Michael made the Video without him at Universal with both Scorsese and Cameron there....and the Performer formerly known as the performer had left the video to Mr Jackson!

http://www.facebook.com/arnold.klein I never learnt about this Prince-MJ meeting THIS way … privat meeting at Hayvenhurst ??

Have a nice day!

Greez riot

dag said:

Arbwyth said:

No, no, I don't find them tacky! I just think they covered so much of his face, and had that weird bridge, although as someone said above, it's understandable why he wore them. I may have a bias, because my dad wore the exact same style of sunglasses in the 80s, and he had a habit of pairing them with Daisy Duke jeans, that he had cut off himself from old jeans. So it's possible that I'm just engaging in guilt by association.

I just think no sunglasses can be cool enough to hide those gorgeous eyes.

[Edited 9/7/12 0:36am]

True.....

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dag said:

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OMG that pic is HOTT! I LOVE this pic of Tatiana and MJ--they made such a great looking couple! Michael looks very happy here

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I need some help lol...

Is there anyone who knows the name of this video on youtube, because at 1:45 MJ is playing the piano...

GoldDolphin said:

I need some help lol...

Is there anyone who knows the name of this video on youtube, because at 1:45 MJ is playing the piano...

Wow that's some rare footage I havent seen before. I would like to know the name of this tv special and if I can see the full video somewhere!

dag said:

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My sweet Michael

he looks nice, but kind of different too, must be the camera lighting