shorttrini said:

mancabdriver said:

Why not? Don't listeners want to get a sense of what the artist is going through at that time of their life? It would be really boring if their music didn't reflect it and everyone will end up sounding like pitbull - party, party, drink, drink - nothing of real substance or honesty

Even MJ did 'DS'.

We all know why people are highly critical of Jermaine's song - I just think it's double standards as usual.

We all do, "dumb shit", that's a given. However, as much as Michael disliked his father's ways, I don't believe he would of written a song as blantant as the one Jermaine wrote about Michael. What goes on within a family, good or bad should stay within the walls of that family. Those who like to broadcast their family's dirty laundry, are just being opportunistic, and self-centered. They get off on the the drama it creates. The same goes for the followers of that drama.

I agree......Michael would have NEVER done that and he didnt......

shorttrini said:

mancabdriver said:

Why not? Don't listeners want to get a sense of what the artist is going through at that time of their life? It would be really boring if their music didn't reflect it and everyone will end up sounding like pitbull - party, party, drink, drink - nothing of real substance or honesty

Even MJ did 'DS'.

We all know why people are highly critical of Jermaine's song - I just think it's double standards as usual.

We all do, "dumb shit", that's a given. However, as much as Michael disliked his father's ways, I don't believe he would of written a song as blantant as the one Jermaine wrote about Michael. What goes on within a family, good or bad should stay within the walls of that family. Those who like to broadcast their family's dirty laundry, are just being opportunistic, and self-centered. They get off on the the drama it creates. The same goes for the followers of that drama.

Janet did 'you need me' which is about Joe – it really comes down to the individual and all a matter of opinion to what is considered acceptable.

No one would batter an eyelid if MJ sung about Jermaine - and you know that's true.

Anyway - I thought it's the public's god given right to know about everything about the Jacksons, which is why people are praising the integrity of Paris and Prince for their diarrhoea tweets I mean exposing the truth and letting the world know ‘whose really bad’

mancabdriver said:

Why not? Don't listeners want to get a sense of what the artist is going through at that time of their life? It would be really boring if their music didn't reflect it and everyone will end up sounding like pitbull - party, party, drink, drink - nothing of real substance or honesty

Even MJ did 'DS'.

We all know why people are highly critical of Jermaine's song - I just think it's double standards as usual.

DS was MJ's diss song about an angry California prosecutor who tried his best to make a case against him to put him away for years and failed to do so.

Word to the Badd was Jermaine's diss song to his brother due to personal reasons.

They are not the same and the fact that you equate dissing a family member with dissing a complete stranger is ludacris.

mancabdriver said:

shorttrini said:

We all do, "dumb shit", that's a given. However, as much as Michael disliked his father's ways, I don't believe he would of written a song as blantant as the one Jermaine wrote about Michael. What goes on within a family, good or bad should stay within the walls of that family. Those who like to broadcast their family's dirty laundry, are just being opportunistic, and self-centered. They get off on the the drama it creates. The same goes for the followers of that drama.

Janet did 'you need me' which is about Joe – it really comes down to the individual and all a matter of opinion to what is considered acceptable.

No one would batter an eyelid if MJ sung about Jermaine - and you know that's true.

Anyway - I thought it's the public's god given right to know about everything about the Jacksons, which is why people are praising the integrity of Paris and Prince for their diarrhoea tweets I mean exposing the truth and letting the world know ‘whose really bad’

The Jacksons dont own anybody NOTHING. There just entertainers.

People were praising them because they were CHILDREN and the adults were trying to take advantage of them and they saw that. Paris and Prince didnt know what was going on so they wanted to get help from the outside world. It really really all could have been avoided.

Unholyalliance said:

mancabdriver said:

Why not? Don't listeners want to get a sense of what the artist is going through at that time of their life? It would be really boring if their music didn't reflect it and everyone will end up sounding like pitbull - party, party, drink, drink - nothing of real substance or honesty

Even MJ did 'DS'.

We all know why people are highly critical of Jermaine's song - I just think it's double standards as usual.

DS was MJ's diss song about an angry California prosecutor who tried his best to make a case against him to put him away for years and failed to do so.

Word to the Badd was Jermaine's diss song to his brother due to personal reasons.

They are not the same and the fact that you equate dissing a family member with dissing a complete stranger is ludacris.

it's madness i tell you, madness

mjscarousal said:

mancabdriver said:

Janet did 'you need me' which is about Joe – it really comes down to the individual and all a matter of opinion to what is considered acceptable.

No one would batter an eyelid if MJ sung about Jermaine - and you know that's true.

Anyway - I thought it's the public's god given right to know about everything about the Jacksons, which is why people are praising the integrity of Paris and Prince for their diarrhoea tweets I mean exposing the truth and letting the world know ‘whose really bad’

The Jacksons dont own anybody NOTHING. There just entertainers.

People were praising them because they were CHILDREN and the adults were trying to take advantage of them and they saw that. Paris and Prince didnt know what was going on so they wanted to get help from the outside world. It really really all could have been avoided.

I was being sarcastic

Are you constantly refreshing the page on this forum? Because every time I post something I get bombarded with your opinions which holds no value to me

shorttrini said:

mancabdriver said:

Why not? Don't listeners want to get a sense of what the artist is going through at that time of their life? It would be really boring if their music didn't reflect it and everyone will end up sounding like pitbull - party, party, drink, drink - nothing of real substance or honesty

Even MJ did 'DS'.

We all know why people are highly critical of Jermaine's song - I just think it's double standards as usual.

We all do, "dumb shit", that's a given. However, as much as Michael disliked his father's ways, I don't believe he would of written a song as blantant as the one Jermaine wrote about Michael. What goes on within a family, good or bad should stay within the walls of that family. Those who like to broadcast their family's dirty laundry, are just being opportunistic, and self-centered. They get off on the the drama it creates. The same goes for the followers of that drama.

Also my 2 cents - FYI I wouldn't have done this if I was Jermaine - it was attention seeking and a bit desperate, but I just wanted to highlight double standards - that's all really - and now these MJ stans have flogged to this discussion like a virus and I feel like I can't have a decent discussion on the subject any longer, which is a shame...

mancabdriver said:

shorttrini said:

We all do, "dumb shit", that's a given. However, as much as Michael disliked his father's ways, I don't believe he would of written a song as blantant as the one Jermaine wrote about Michael. What goes on within a family, good or bad should stay within the walls of that family. Those who like to broadcast their family's dirty laundry, are just being opportunistic, and self-centered. They get off on the the drama it creates. The same goes for the followers of that drama.

Also my 2 cents - FYI I wouldn't have done this if I was Jermaine - it was attention seeking and a bit desperate, but I just wanted to highlight double standards - that's all really - and now these MJ stans have flogged to this discussion like a virus and I feel like I can't have a decent discussion on the subject any longer, which is a shame...

Let's really take a look at that........

in 1989 alone, the brothers had released a very through album in 2300 Jackson Street, a record that was well on its way to earning at the least, double platinum before it was inconspicously pulled from the airwaves on radio, AND pulled from the racks at record stores...I was at my local record store, that used to be less than a mile from my home, when it happened.......

2300 Jackson Street was THE ONLY record pulled from the shelves, every other album remained

I even asked one of the store employees what was up w/that, and all she could tell me was she was told by her manager to do it....the manager said he got his instructions from higher ups, and w/in days, you no longer heard the song on radio

that had "foul" written all over it..........

even still, Jermaine had his own solo album out, reaching double platinum status

Randy released his debut album with his group "Randy & The Gypsies" w/his song Perpetrators reaching the top of the r&b charts....Jackie Jackson released his own solo album later that year reaching gold status

all of this happened before Janet Jackson unleased Rhythm Nation 19814

so all of the brothers, and Janet were shaping their own careers....Rebbie could have done so too and would have been very successful but she chose to focus on her domestic life......this is why the Jackson were viewed as "The First Family of Music".......that distinction wasn't just given to them on a whim.....

Marlon just completed a great run 2 years earlier when his debut album went double platinum and at one point ran as the #1 r&b album in the country

Latoya could have been a successful model, she had great personality, but she was led estray for about 5-6 years before she saw the light

it was never about one person.....

the reason why Jermaine wrote that song was due to an accumulation of actions exhibited by his brother Michael.....who hadn't called his family in 8 months......that dont fly no matter what, and what Jermaine said in that record had already been said 4 years previously by the majority of the black community who grew up during Michael's years of glory when this stuff meant something, those who grew up watching Michael grow up from a child prodigy to a grown man, those who bought those J5 records, bought the Jackson's albums, who bought Off The Wall and Thriller....

not only that, but Mike made it difficult for his family to reach him as well

Jermaine didn't say anything that had already been said, but to COMMERCIAL MEDIA and Michael's evolving fanbase responded to it with shock

he made that song out of anger because he loved his brother, a man who was being led estray by opportunists, leeches, syncophants years before his current fanbase has referred to

and why was this song so popular? because what Jermaine said was true

If Michael would have relied on his immense talent rather than constructing an image that wasn't real, and that proved to be detrimental time and time again.....Jermaine would have never made the record, and if he felt the way he did thru lyric, that means the rest of the family did too

this interview says it all, one that I saw when it aired

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

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mancabdriver said:

mjscarousal said:

The Jacksons dont own anybody NOTHING. There just entertainers.

People were praising them because they were CHILDREN and the adults were trying to take advantage of them and they saw that. Paris and Prince didnt know what was going on so they wanted to get help from the outside world. It really really all could have been avoided.

I was being sarcastic

Are you constantly refreshing the page on this forum? Because every time I post something I get bombarded with your opinions which holds no value to me

Awww sorry your soo mad because I am responding to all your delusional angry rants

And you think your posts have meaning to anybody here as if they are superior to everyone elses? Anytime you make a post on a forum anybody can respond to it and this is my first time responding to you

Nobody is making you respond in this thread or reply back to me even though this is the first reply you have made back to me

mancabdriver said:

and for the misconceptions about Michael's family always trying to "leech" from him or that Michael did everything by himself........

well, "The King of Pop" stood on the shoulders of his youngest brother as he crafted this song

http://www.youtube.com/wa...owpIWQMd80

solid song.....cool jam.......but this is the original version, title and all some 20 years before the fact

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

Randy Jackson wrote the original version of ONE MORE CHANCE that Michael interpolated.....the structure is the same, and the chorus is the same vein, even the bridge is the same

Randy's version was straight r&b, Michael scaled the song, removed the core to make it more pop oriented

arguably, Randy was the most musically inclined member of the family in terms of instrumentalization......

people forget or may not have been told, Michael and Randy founded a music publishing company together...MIRAN music in the early 80s.....a string of songs they pinned together as catalog.....

well, this is one of them......

nobody rode anyone's coattails...

[Edited 8/23/12 11:15am]

Scorp said:

musicology54 said:

What bs?CANUHELPME said:

I would, if I was the most hatin'-est negro that has ever lived.

I don't think MJ was guilty. I think his BS put him in that situation.

His inappropriate relationships with young males.

CANUHELPME said:

musicology54 said:

You seriously believe that he molested little children CANUHELPME said:

His inappropriate relationships with young males.

No, I don't think he molested little children. He should not have been sleeping in the same bed with that child. He should not have supplied alcohol to that child. Quincy Jones warned him about his relationship with children.

CANUHELPME said:

musicology54 said:

You seriously believe that he molested little children CANUHELPME said:

No, I don't think he molested little children. He should not have been sleeping in the same bed with that child. He should not have supplied alcohol to that child. Quincy Jones warned him about his relationship with children.

exactly, he did so in 1993 as well as 2003 and was upset w/Michael because he practiced that wreckless behavior for a 2nd time

I don't believe he molested children either, that thought never crossed my mind.....

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CANUHELPME said:

musicology54 said:

You seriously believe that he molested little children CANUHELPME said:

No, I don't think he molested little children. He should not have been sleeping in the same bed with that child. He should not have supplied alcohol to that child. Quincy Jones warned him about his relationship with children.

While I do agree Michael shouldn't have been so trusting in allowing to open his home and heart to everyone....I think your facts are askew. He never provided alcohol to a minor..

And by his own admission, he never slept in the same bed with a child. He slept on the floor.

And while Quincy may have been right in advising Michael to be more cautious, he wasn't there for Michael when Michael needed him the most and didn't help him by insisting his innocence in interviews from 2005. So frankly, anything Quincy says about Michael in this respect I take with a grain of salt.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

CANUHELPME said:

No, I don't think he molested little children. He should not have been sleeping in the same bed with that child. He should not have supplied alcohol to that child. Quincy Jones warned him about his relationship with children.

While I do agree Michael shouldn't have been so trusting in allowing to open his home and heart to everyone....I think your facts are askew. He never provided alcohol to a minor..

And by his own admission, he never slept in the same bed with a child. He slept on the floor.

And while Quincy may have been right in advising Michael to be more cautious, he wasn't there for Michael when Michael needed him the most and didn't help him by insisting his innocence in interviews from 2005. So frankly, anything Quincy says about Michael in this respect I take with a grain of salt.

Proof that MJ fans discredit anyone they chose to, for fruitless reasons.

"He wasn't there when Michael needed him most"

Give me a break. Some of you expect the world to be at Michaels beck and call. These people have their own lives.

Michael has said before that he has slept in the same bed as children.

Bashir: "Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?"

Jackson: "No. But I have slept in a bed with many children.
"I slept in a bed with all of them when Macauley Culkin was little: Kieran
Culkin would sleep on this side, Macauley Culkin was on this side, his
sisters in there...we all would just jam in the bed, you know.

[Edited 8/24/12 9:49am]

Azz said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

While I do agree Michael shouldn't have been so trusting in allowing to open his home and heart to everyone....I think your facts are askew. He never provided alcohol to a minor..

And by his own admission, he never slept in the same bed with a child. He slept on the floor.

And while Quincy may have been right in advising Michael to be more cautious, he wasn't there for Michael when Michael needed him the most and didn't help him by insisting his innocence in interviews from 2005. So frankly, anything Quincy says about Michael in this respect I take with a grain of salt.

Proof that MJ fans discredit anyone they chose to, for fruitless reasons.

"He wasn't there when Michael needed him most"

Give me a break. Some of you expect the world to be at Michaels beck and call. These people have their own lives.

[Edited 8/24/12 9:49am]

Proof that bitter, selfish, and hateful individuals like yourself don't like seeing the truth for what it really is.

No, I don't expect the whole world to be at his beck and call. And I'm not discrediting Quincy Jones, or his accomplishments. But someone like Quincy, who's known Michael since his teen years and worked with him, and by all accounts, was a close friend, should've been there for him. And he wasn't.

And I'm not even gonna debate with you the whole "he slept in the bed, no on the floor" argument, because frankly...there really is no talking to you.

At the end of the day, he was found not guilty of all those atrocious charges, but even that wasn't enough. He lived the rest of his days a marked man and died as such, so frankly, even debating what transpired at Neverland, with someone like you, who insists on dragging up this nonsense, is a waste of time.

Now if you don't mind, I'll bid you farewell and hope some sense and perhaps a touch of compassion comes to you.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Azz said:

Proof that MJ fans discredit anyone they chose to, for fruitless reasons.

"He wasn't there when Michael needed him most"

Give me a break. Some of you expect the world to be at Michaels beck and call. These people have their own lives.

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Proof that bitter, selfish, and hateful individuals like yourself don't like seeing the truth for what it really is.

No, I don't expect the whole world to be at his beck and call. And I'm not discrediting Quincy Jones, or his accomplishments. But someone like Quincy, who's known Michael since his teen years and worked with him, and by all accounts, was a close friend, should've been there for him. And he wasn't.

And I'm not even gonna debate with you the whole "he slept in the bed, no on the floor" argument, because frankly...there really is no talking to you.

At the end of the day, he was found not guilty of all those atrocious charges, but even that wasn't enough. He lived the rest of his days a marked man and died as such, so frankly, even debating what transpired at Neverland, with someone like you, who insists on dragging up this nonsense, is a waste of time.

Now if you don't mind, I'll bid you farewell and hope some sense and perhaps a touch of compassion comes to you.

Dragging up nonsense? The truth?

This is the truth:

Bashir: "Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?"

Jackson: "No. But I have slept in a bed with many children.
"I slept in a bed with all of them when Macauley Culkin was little: Kieran
Culkin would sleep on this side, Macauley Culkin was on this side, his
sisters in there...we all would just jam in the bed, you know.

He did sleep in the same bed as children. That is a fact.

Your delusional self obviously can't accept it. I haven't hinted or suggested anything else went on. I merely stated that you were wrong. Something you can't accept.

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Azz said:

musicology54 said:

You're seriously using bashir as a source. Azz said:

Dragging up nonsense? The truth?

This is the truth:

Bashir: "Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?"

Jackson: "No. But I have slept in a bed with many children.
"I slept in a bed with all of them when Macauley Culkin was little: Kieran
Culkin would sleep on this side, Macauley Culkin was on this side, his
sisters in there...we all would just jam in the bed, you know.

He did sleep in the same bed as children. That is a fact.

Your delusional self obviously can't accept it. I haven't hinted or suggested anything else went on. I merely stated that you were wrong. Something you can't accept.

[Edited 8/24/12 11:48am]

No I'm not. It is from the interview, which is on tape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw7hpWq2LZ0

[Edited 8/24/12 14:42pm]

Derailed into an MJ discussion. Use the sticky to discuss MJ folks.