Stymie said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Wha??!!! Wait....when did this happen? HOW did this happen? Could you please explain, if you dont mind? If you dont want to post it here you can orgnote me about it. I hadnt heard anything about this!

I've searched and couldn't find anything.

Hi Ms. Naughty.

Hey there Stymie!

GoldDolphin said:

Free2BMe said:

Scorp, I am not going to go through your psycho-babble word for word. However, it seems to me your main problem is that you are OBSESSED with Michael's appearance, AS IF that had something to do with a person's fandom. How utterly sick is that on YOUR part. Michael's appearance never for one instance changed my view of him. I have been a fan for OVER 30+ years and my love for Michael and his music only increased with the years. I loved him as a member of the Jackson 5 and that love grew when he became a solo star. It boggles the mind why you are so obsessed over one this man's appearance as if it affects your life. Even I, a mega-fan,have never let Michael affect me the way that he seemed to affect you. Very, very strange that you an avowed "hater" of Michael is more obsessed with him that a mega-fan like me. That tells you that something just isn't right with your rants.

As far as the woman who you claim died as the result of "hate-filled" fans, I don't believe you. And IF that is true, why are you blaming ALL fans for what YOU claim happened. Did ALL fans do this to this person that you say this happened to? Are you blaming Michael for what YOU say happened? If so, then there seems to be more to your "arm chair" babble than what meets the eye. You need to look in the mirror and check yourself out before you put the BLAME on OTHERS. As I stated in a previous post, the problem is not with Michael or his fans, it is with YOU. If you are allowing Michael to affect you in the way that your posts indicate, then I would suggest that you seek professional help. I can guarantee you that I love Michael; HOwEVER, I would never allow him to take over my mind as he has obviously done yours. Again, seek help for your obsession and stop blaming others for YOUR problem.

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u may laugh but it ain't funny......

same thing happened to Michael Jackson

the establishment is ALREADY trying to do the same thing to Gabby Douglas, who won those 2 gold medals at this years Olympics during gymnastic competition

a 16 year old girl was being attacked because "cultural experts" determined that her hair looked too worn out because she wore it in a ponytail, when in fact, all of the female gymnast wore ponytails..when I watched the competition, that was the furthest thing from my mind, I was enjoying the competition by all of the gymnasts

but she was singled out, basically suggesting she looked too ethnic, white people said and black folk too (that's how watered down our conscious is now)

so as of right now, she's already being "made over" to gain more commercial appeal....so she's already being exploited

so she was being castigated by her own country while other nations focused on her talent.......

history repeating itself as the establishment and heartless invidivuals tried to do the exact same thing to world reknowned olympian Jackie Joyner-Kersee, one of the greatest olympians of all time..winning gold medal in 1988 and 1992 for the heptathlon and long jump

they say she looked to ethnic and encouraged her to change her look, but she rejected those words and was in a better position to do it because she was an adult..and because of her stance, she was not offered endorsement deals she deserved, but I bet she's happy in the long run

so now they are already preying on a 16 year old who just wanted to represent her country in whole fashion

u can call it psycho babble if you please, but I'm speaking from a historical perspective that cuts right to the heart of the manner when the situation calls for it......

in regards to that young lady who died from the threats.....you can disregard that if you want to but I know it's true, and out of resepct to that individuals loved ones, I want mentioned how I found out about it, that's the beauty of it, nobody will be able to exploit that to prove rather it's true or not......

when I look in the mirror, I see an individual who hopes one day all people can be accepted for who they are naturally w/out feeling the pressure to conform to a conflicting standard of beauty that causes you to self destruct.....

see, the system don't take no prisoners, because after it destroys one individual, it seeks the next victim.......

and Michael ALWAYS spoke about the manner the pop ascension was drawing him away and destroying him but the fans didn't want to listen

in the song SCREAM..the man said "yall keep changing the rules, I keep playing the game, I can't take it much longer, I think I may go insane"

and the song STRANGER IN MOSCOW "armageddon of the brain, all abandoned in my fame, KGB be stalking me, take my name just let me be"

well the establishment owns his name now and from this day forward, as he was robbed from his essential goodness a quarter century ago but he never thought that would be the case......

do you notice he never made a song about people togetherness ever again as a major theme throughout after the HISTORY album?....that ain't by accident......

as far as who needs professional help, I suggest you direct that towards a great number fo his fans who said boldly they never would have been a fan of his if he remained visibly black and they preferred his altered features.....THOSE are the ones who needs to look in the mirror

and for this to happen to an individual on a world stage, in particular a black man, that's one man to many because that means this can happen to anyone....

but I guess that's not important which signifies indifference

I guess that's why many of his fans laughed and cracked jokes when he appeared at that book store back in 2008 w/his face splatterd w/medical tape

that was supposed to be funny when it was no laughing matter

as far as who's mind has been consumed, it's probably safer to conclude those who struggle to uphold the lies are the ones consumed by this experience......

we haven't come as far as we think

in the words of a friends THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME....

A plea shared with the fans the day before. A plea expressed to the fans right before. A plea rejected by the fans just before. They said he should when he shouldn’t, believing he would when he wouldn’t, suggesting he could when he couldn’t.

[Edited 8/15/12 17:25pm]

Scorp said:

there's always 2 sides to every story.....there's always heads vs tails.....fact vs fiction

what people choose to believe rather than what actually was...

I can't believe people can't see this situation for exactly what it is

he wrote that song for a reason, because Michael had no dealings w/his family after he reached the pinncle of his career, that officially ended in 1985

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

instead, he surrounded himself w/sycopants and real live leeches, and people he shelled out millions to for their friendship, people such as Liz Taylor...she was only in it for the money

but when it came time for her to show true friendship, in particular that 2005 trial Michael found himself captured in, she was nowhere to be found in sight and issued a brief press release, real brief.....she was never going to show up in person....some friend

the only people who showed up at that trial throughout its duration was his family...w/his moma showing up every single day, but his fans berate this woman, an 82 year old woman who may not last another year because of the madness.....I dont' respect anyone who uphold the lies, not a soul.......

I'll say it and keep on saying, it.....

if anyone who rag on this family day in and day out for the past 25 years, commercial media, his fan following, fake press, if anyone had to deal w/that themselves they would fold and cave like a tent.......they wouldn't be able to deal with it

and the way they've been attacked over the years is totally wrong who ever's doing it...it ain't right, but because of false sense of entitlement, the majority of MJ fans feel they have a right to do it....

this situation is the most unfortunate thing I've ever seen in my life in the public realm......

the man was not communicating w/his family period...the moment he released the BAD album that was it

Janet Jackson said the family lost Michael after THRILLER, and their most fondest memories of him always occur during the years fo 1969-1985, after that, that's it

the whole situation sucks when it never had to be this way, but the path his chose in seeking the ultimate pop distinction crushed the family dynamic and all that good will was thrown out the window a long time ago.......

because of the lies, the family who once used to be view as the First Family of Music to one who only featured one member who had talent......all destroyed for naught

he wrote that song because Michael wasn't communicating w/them at all.....

when this situation actually went down, Jermaine said he stood behind the song, because he did intended for it to be released but categorically denied that to be the case due to nature of circumstance

but instead of accusing this family of being money grabbers, what about everyone else he surrounded himself with who really juked him out of money

I think it's totally off base to suggest this guy is naive or that even Michael was this naive person when these guys were grown men....Michael was in his mid 30's by the time he released HISTORY

Jermaine was one of the most influential people in the music industry behind the scenes, a former lead executive at Motown Records, the most celebrated music label in american lore....before his career was sabotaged..

I guarantee if Michael was shelling millions of bucks to LIZ, she would have been cool on him

[Edited 8/13/12 17:37pm]

[Edited 8/13/12 17:41pm]

What a weird post. Too much lazy ass kssing for the family (the trial..lol) and waaay over the top attacks on Liz Taylor. As long as you've been around scorp you should know better than to throw up the family attending the trial as some big deal. Do you honestly think them attending the trial matches up to what these white families do for their loved ones?

And from what I remember Liz Taylor always had MJ's back when it counted. By 2005 she was old, so of course she wasn't as vocal compared to 1993, but whenver asked about MJ, she still always had his back. And unlike MJ's family, you always knew she would rep hard for MJ. As a fan, never were you ever worried about her saying something wrong about MJ. That woman didn't play when it came to him.

It's insane to go after her for using MJ for money, and then prop up a one note family like the Jacksons. Spike Lee has said more in one interview about MJ's legacy than MJ's big ass family ever has since his passing.

And for the record I did like Word To the badd. A shame the song didn't take off. It was a good song.

mookie said:

Scorp said:

there's always 2 sides to every story.....there's always heads vs tails.....fact vs fiction

what people choose to believe rather than what actually was...

I can't believe people can't see this situation for exactly what it is

he wrote that song for a reason, because Michael had no dealings w/his family after he reached the pinncle of his career, that officially ended in 1985

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

instead, he surrounded himself w/sycopants and real live leeches, and people he shelled out millions to for their friendship, people such as Liz Taylor...she was only in it for the money

but when it came time for her to show true friendship, in particular that 2005 trial Michael found himself captured in, she was nowhere to be found in sight and issued a brief press release, real brief.....she was never going to show up in person....some friend

the only people who showed up at that trial throughout its duration was his family...w/his moma showing up every single day, but his fans berate this woman, an 82 year old woman who may not last another year because of the madness.....I dont' respect anyone who uphold the lies, not a soul.......

I'll say it and keep on saying, it.....

if anyone who rag on this family day in and day out for the past 25 years, commercial media, his fan following, fake press, if anyone had to deal w/that themselves they would fold and cave like a tent.......they wouldn't be able to deal with it

and the way they've been attacked over the years is totally wrong who ever's doing it...it ain't right, but because of false sense of entitlement, the majority of MJ fans feel they have a right to do it....

this situation is the most unfortunate thing I've ever seen in my life in the public realm......

the man was not communicating w/his family period...the moment he released the BAD album that was it

Janet Jackson said the family lost Michael after THRILLER, and their most fondest memories of him always occur during the years fo 1969-1985, after that, that's it

the whole situation sucks when it never had to be this way, but the path his chose in seeking the ultimate pop distinction crushed the family dynamic and all that good will was thrown out the window a long time ago.......

because of the lies, the family who once used to be view as the First Family of Music to one who only featured one member who had talent......all destroyed for naught

he wrote that song because Michael wasn't communicating w/them at all.....

when this situation actually went down, Jermaine said he stood behind the song, because he did intended for it to be released but categorically denied that to be the case due to nature of circumstance

but instead of accusing this family of being money grabbers, what about everyone else he surrounded himself with who really juked him out of money

I think it's totally off base to suggest this guy is naive or that even Michael was this naive person when these guys were grown men....Michael was in his mid 30's by the time he released HISTORY

Jermaine was one of the most influential people in the music industry behind the scenes, a former lead executive at Motown Records, the most celebrated music label in american lore....before his career was sabotaged..

I guarantee if Michael was shelling millions of bucks to LIZ, she would have been cool on him

[Edited 8/13/12 17:37pm]

[Edited 8/13/12 17:41pm]

What a weird post. Too much lazy ass kssing for the family (the trial..lol) and waaay over the top attacks on Liz Taylor. As long as you've been around scorp you should know better than to throw up the family attending the trial as some big deal. Do you honestly think them attending the trial matches up to what these white families do for their loved ones?

And from what I remember Liz Taylor always had MJ's back when it counted. By 2005 she was old, so of course she wasn't as vocal compared to 1993, but whenver asked about MJ, she still always had his back. And unlike MJ's family, you always knew she would rep hard for MJ. As a fan, never were you ever worried about her saying something wrong about MJ. That woman didn't play when it came to him.

It's insane to go after her for using MJ for money, and then prop up a one note family like the Jacksons. Spike Lee has said more in one interview about MJ's legacy than MJ's big ass family ever has since his passing.

And for the record I did like Word To the badd. A shame the song didn't take off. It was a good song.

Liz Taylor's net worth is about $600 million, possibly more, after her death. Therefore money is not the issue, and her jewelry collection is to die for (not literally of course ) Also, to her death, she appeared to be a good friend of his. I agree.

mookie said:

Scorp said:

there's always 2 sides to every story.....there's always heads vs tails.....fact vs fiction

what people choose to believe rather than what actually was...

I can't believe people can't see this situation for exactly what it is

he wrote that song for a reason, because Michael had no dealings w/his family after he reached the pinncle of his career, that officially ended in 1985

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

instead, he surrounded himself w/sycopants and real live leeches, and people he shelled out millions to for their friendship, people such as Liz Taylor...she was only in it for the money

but when it came time for her to show true friendship, in particular that 2005 trial Michael found himself captured in, she was nowhere to be found in sight and issued a brief press release, real brief.....she was never going to show up in person....some friend

the only people who showed up at that trial throughout its duration was his family...w/his moma showing up every single day, but his fans berate this woman, an 82 year old woman who may not last another year because of the madness.....I dont' respect anyone who uphold the lies, not a soul.......

I'll say it and keep on saying, it.....

if anyone who rag on this family day in and day out for the past 25 years, commercial media, his fan following, fake press, if anyone had to deal w/that themselves they would fold and cave like a tent.......they wouldn't be able to deal with it

and the way they've been attacked over the years is totally wrong who ever's doing it...it ain't right, but because of false sense of entitlement, the majority of MJ fans feel they have a right to do it....

this situation is the most unfortunate thing I've ever seen in my life in the public realm......

the man was not communicating w/his family period...the moment he released the BAD album that was it

Janet Jackson said the family lost Michael after THRILLER, and their most fondest memories of him always occur during the years fo 1969-1985, after that, that's it

the whole situation sucks when it never had to be this way, but the path his chose in seeking the ultimate pop distinction crushed the family dynamic and all that good will was thrown out the window a long time ago.......

because of the lies, the family who once used to be view as the First Family of Music to one who only featured one member who had talent......all destroyed for naught

he wrote that song because Michael wasn't communicating w/them at all.....

when this situation actually went down, Jermaine said he stood behind the song, because he did intended for it to be released but categorically denied that to be the case due to nature of circumstance

but instead of accusing this family of being money grabbers, what about everyone else he surrounded himself with who really juked him out of money

I think it's totally off base to suggest this guy is naive or that even Michael was this naive person when these guys were grown men....Michael was in his mid 30's by the time he released HISTORY

Jermaine was one of the most influential people in the music industry behind the scenes, a former lead executive at Motown Records, the most celebrated music label in american lore....before his career was sabotaged..

I guarantee if Michael was shelling millions of bucks to LIZ, she would have been cool on him

[Edited 8/13/12 17:37pm]

[Edited 8/13/12 17:41pm]

What a weird post. Too much lazy ass kssing for the family (the trial..lol) and waaay over the top attacks on Liz Taylor. As long as you've been around scorp you should know better than to throw up the family attending the trial as some big deal. Do you honestly think them attending the trial matches up to what these white families do for their loved ones?

And from what I remember Liz Taylor always had MJ's back when it counted. By 2005 she was old, so of course she wasn't as vocal compared to 1993, but whenver asked about MJ, she still always had his back. And unlike MJ's family, you always knew she would rep hard for MJ. As a fan, never were you ever worried about her saying something wrong about MJ. That woman didn't play when it came to him.

It's insane to go after her for using MJ for money, and then prop up a one note family like the Jacksons. Spike Lee has said more in one interview about MJ's legacy than MJ's big ass family ever has since his passing.

And for the record I did like Word To the badd. A shame the song didn't take off. It was a good song.

Excellent Post! Liz Taylor was there for Michael from the beginning even before all of the false allegations. Liz Taylor didn't need Michael's money. This was a very,very, very rich woman. Liz loved Michael with all of her soul and heart. You can bet that is why she is buried "very close" to him, because that's the way that she wanted it. Liz Taylor ALWAYS had Michael's back. She never let him down,ever. FTR, Michael always bought jewelry for the women that he loved. He bought his mother many, many pieces of beautiful jewwlry; therefore, Scorp is ranting about things that have no basis or relevance.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

mookie said:

What a weird post. Too much lazy ass kssing for the family (the trial..lol) and waaay over the top attacks on Liz Taylor. As long as you've been around scorp you should know better than to throw up the family attending the trial as some big deal. Do you honestly think them attending the trial matches up to what these white families do for their loved ones?

And from what I remember Liz Taylor always had MJ's back when it counted. By 2005 she was old, so of course she wasn't as vocal compared to 1993, but whenver asked about MJ, she still always had his back. And unlike MJ's family, you always knew she would rep hard for MJ. As a fan, never were you ever worried about her saying something wrong about MJ. That woman didn't play when it came to him.

It's insane to go after her for using MJ for money, and then prop up a one note family like the Jacksons. Spike Lee has said more in one interview about MJ's legacy than MJ's big ass family ever has since his passing.

And for the record I did like Word To the badd. A shame the song didn't take off. It was a good song.

Liz Taylor's net worth is about $600 million, possibly more, after her death. Therefore money is not the issue, and her jewelry collection is to die for (not literally of course ) Also, to her death, she appeared to be a good friend of his. I agree.

I agree with everything that you said. Liz Taylor was a true friend.

Where is the proof of the MJ fan dying after being threatened by other MJ fans? Hell, where is the proof to most of the claims on this thread?

Stymie said:

Where is the proof of the MJ fan dying after being threatened by other MJ fans? Hell, where is the proof to most of the claims on this thread?

Just a quick scan shows that most, if not almost all of Scorps's posts are utter nonsense. Anyone I see agreeing with them tend to be not right in the head half of the time anyways so go figure. =/

The screwed up thing is that they are so unecessarily long. It's like reading two pages worth of nothing.

Free2BMe said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Liz Taylor's net worth is about $600 million, possibly more, after her death. Therefore money is not the issue, and her jewelry collection is to die for (not literally of course ) Also, to her death, she appeared to be a good friend of his. I agree.

I agree with everything that you said. Liz Taylor was a true friend.

Whoever said that Liz wasnt a REAL friend is just stupid. That person needs to remember that during 2003-2009 Liz underwent surgeries and was deadly sick, eventually last year she died from it because her body couldnt take it anymore. She was a strong and beautiful woman, she stood by MJ since the start.

"I believe Michael is absolutely innocent and that he will be vindicated," . "[The media's] whole reaction is that he is guilty. I thought the law was 'innocent until proven guilty.' I know he is innocent and I hope they all eat crow. /93

Transcript from larry king 2006.

" KING: What did you think of the charges against him?

TAYLOR: I’ve never been so angry in my life.

KING: But didn’t you think, Elizabeth, Dame Elizabeth, I’m sorry, that it would look strange to people to have someone who is in his 40s spending a night with children? I mean, just on the face of it.

TAYLOR: All right. I’ll answer that, because I’ve been there, when his nephews were there, and we all were in the bed, watching television. There was nothing abnormal about it. There was no touchy-feely going on. We laughed like children, and we watched a lot ofWalt Disney. There was nothing odd about it.

KING: So you think they were out after him?

TAYLOR: I do.

KING: The authorities and the like?

TAYLOR: I think the paparazzi started — not the paparazzi, the press. Excuse me. May I blow my nose?

KING: You may.

TAYLOR: Thank you.

KING: It’s called human. Even Elizabeth Taylor blows her nose.

Is he going to come back to working?

TAYLOR: I don’t think so. Except maybe in Europe.

KING: You don’t think he’ll ever live in the United States again?

TAYLOR: Well, really, why should he? He’s been treated like dirt here. "

mookie said:

Scorp said:

there's always 2 sides to every story.....there's always heads vs tails.....fact vs fiction

what people choose to believe rather than what actually was...

I can't believe people can't see this situation for exactly what it is

he wrote that song for a reason, because Michael had no dealings w/his family after he reached the pinncle of his career, that officially ended in 1985

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

instead, he surrounded himself w/sycopants and real live leeches, and people he shelled out millions to for their friendship, people such as Liz Taylor...she was only in it for the money

but when it came time for her to show true friendship, in particular that 2005 trial Michael found himself captured in, she was nowhere to be found in sight and issued a brief press release, real brief.....she was never going to show up in person....some friend

the only people who showed up at that trial throughout its duration was his family...w/his moma showing up every single day, but his fans berate this woman, an 82 year old woman who may not last another year because of the madness.....I dont' respect anyone who uphold the lies, not a soul.......

I'll say it and keep on saying, it.....

if anyone who rag on this family day in and day out for the past 25 years, commercial media, his fan following, fake press, if anyone had to deal w/that themselves they would fold and cave like a tent.......they wouldn't be able to deal with it

and the way they've been attacked over the years is totally wrong who ever's doing it...it ain't right, but because of false sense of entitlement, the majority of MJ fans feel they have a right to do it....

this situation is the most unfortunate thing I've ever seen in my life in the public realm......

the man was not communicating w/his family period...the moment he released the BAD album that was it

Janet Jackson said the family lost Michael after THRILLER, and their most fondest memories of him always occur during the years fo 1969-1985, after that, that's it

the whole situation sucks when it never had to be this way, but the path his chose in seeking the ultimate pop distinction crushed the family dynamic and all that good will was thrown out the window a long time ago.......

because of the lies, the family who once used to be view as the First Family of Music to one who only featured one member who had talent......all destroyed for naught

he wrote that song because Michael wasn't communicating w/them at all.....

when this situation actually went down, Jermaine said he stood behind the song, because he did intended for it to be released but categorically denied that to be the case due to nature of circumstance

but instead of accusing this family of being money grabbers, what about everyone else he surrounded himself with who really juked him out of money

I think it's totally off base to suggest this guy is naive or that even Michael was this naive person when these guys were grown men....Michael was in his mid 30's by the time he released HISTORY

Jermaine was one of the most influential people in the music industry behind the scenes, a former lead executive at Motown Records, the most celebrated music label in american lore....before his career was sabotaged..

I guarantee if Michael was shelling millions of bucks to LIZ, she would have been cool on him

[Edited 8/13/12 17:37pm]

[Edited 8/13/12 17:41pm]

What a weird post. Too much lazy ass kssing for the family (the trial..lol) and waaay over the top attacks on Liz Taylor. As long as you've been around scorp you should know better than to throw up the family attending the trial as some big deal. Do you honestly think them attending the trial matches up to what these white families do for their loved ones?

And from what I remember Liz Taylor always had MJ's back when it counted. By 2005 she was old, so of course she wasn't as vocal compared to 1993, but whenver asked about MJ, she still always had his back. And unlike MJ's family, you always knew she would rep hard for MJ. As a fan, never were you ever worried about her saying something wrong about MJ. That woman didn't play when it came to him.

It's insane to go after her for using MJ for money, and then prop up a one note family like the Jacksons. Spike Lee has said more in one interview about MJ's legacy than MJ's big ass family ever has since his passing.

And for the record I did like Word To the badd. A shame the song didn't take off. It was a good song.

so that's the explanation....Liz Taylor was too old to show her support publically?

so that's the million dollar answer......

so Liz was too old, even though Katherine was older than she was and showed up at every single court proceeding from beginning to end, from the day of Michael's arraignment, supporting him throughout grand jury proceeding, a ruling that determine the case would be tried in the court of law

Katherine did at least 2 tv interviews during 2004 showing support for a situation that could have been avoided altogether....

from day one of that trial, to the day she had to sit up in that courtroom and listen to some of the most vile accusations imaginable made about her child,

w/limp and all, she was there every single day.....

and she was/is 2-3 years older than LIZ, and by her attending that trial every day, and the nature of the allegations itself, I'm sure her health and well being took a strong hit too.....and she’s STILL having to go to court because of the madness as we speak

and before anyone jumps the gun, I never believed Michael was guilty of molesting children

I know LIZ or anyone else who Michael viewed as his friends were never going to show up at that trial.....they were cool on him, and they ditched him....as predicted…it didn’t surprise me one bit

the only people who showed up at that trial were his family

LIZ didn't even show up for the verdict

and that transcript the other person posted, that transcript of the interview she did w/LARRY KING took place in mid 2006, almost a full year after the man was acquitted and wasn't even living in the country at that point, so she didn't mind coming on tv in "support" of him by that time because the stigma of the allegations was not as present

but when the heat was boiling in the kitchen all of his so-called friends were nowhere in sight to be found, you didn’t hear a whisper

and do you know why these "friends" associated with this guy, because it ENHANCED their profile and their visibility in the public eye but he didn't see it that way, they used him by associating w/his name and his stature

The personal careers of the people he had befriended, their careers had long subsided years before they even knew him personally, so to rekindle their career, they used his name and stature to do so, when he thought he was the person who was accomplishing that goal for himself

Because of Liz’s association with Michael, I guarantee you that was the reason she was able to start her perfume line White Diamonds…..

and guess what year it was launched?...in 2001…

and guess what else happened in 2001?......the MSG concerts for Michael Jackson

Get the picture?.....

And guess what there’s no doubt in my mind that Michael Jackson gave her money to help her launch that fragrance…and guess what else he did? You know why she appeared at the MSG concerts to introduce Michael and the brothers on stage?....do you know why she did it?.....

Because Michael Jackson gave this woman a $600,000 piece of jewelry, and not only that, he paid Marlon Brando a million bucks just to appear on stage and give that speech he gave….that did not align w/the context of the show…..and then he paid Brando millions of dollars to appear in his You Rock My World just so he can sit in his godfather chair and spin it around, and to utter these two words “BING, BANG”…

When has been the last time we’ve seen Marlon Brando publically?...it’s been ages…..

Not to take anything away from his accomplishments from back in the day, he’s one of our greatest actors (how can he not be when he played Vito Carleone and Jor-el the father of Superman) but the only reason he appeared on that show was for the money, the only reason LIZ appeared on that show was to get that $600,000 piece of jewelry.

I’m not even saying LIZ didn’t contribute to the arts, and society as she raised millions of dollars for AIDS research, but the last major motion picture that she was really know for here in the United States was CLEOPATRA, and that was back in 1963, when John F. Kennedy was president, when our parents were either learning to walk or were in grade school at the most.

So what it comes down to, whether MJ fans (of the last 20 years) care to admit it or not, that relationship was based on image, and financial incentive no matter how we try to slice it…..there may have been genuine show of concern, but that money was the tell tale

[Edited 8/16/12 21:21pm]

Beautifulstarr123 said:

mookie said:

What a weird post. Too much lazy ass kssing for the family (the trial..lol) and waaay over the top attacks on Liz Taylor. As long as you've been around scorp you should know better than to throw up the family attending the trial as some big deal. Do you honestly think them attending the trial matches up to what these white families do for their loved ones?

And from what I remember Liz Taylor always had MJ's back when it counted. By 2005 she was old, so of course she wasn't as vocal compared to 1993, but whenver asked about MJ, she still always had his back. And unlike MJ's family, you always knew she would rep hard for MJ. As a fan, never were you ever worried about her saying something wrong about MJ. That woman didn't play when it came to him.

It's insane to go after her for using MJ for money, and then prop up a one note family like the Jacksons. Spike Lee has said more in one interview about MJ's legacy than MJ's big ass family ever has since his passing.

And for the record I did like Word To the badd. A shame the song didn't take off. It was a good song.

Liz Taylor's net worth is about $600 million, possibly more, after her death. Therefore money is not the issue, and her jewelry collection is to die for (not literally of course ) Also, to her death, she appeared to be a good friend of his. I agree.

Here's the source of her net worth:

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Scorp said:

mookie said:

What a weird post. Too much lazy ass kssing for the family (the trial..lol) and waaay over the top attacks on Liz Taylor. As long as you've been around scorp you should know better than to throw up the family attending the trial as some big deal. Do you honestly think them attending the trial matches up to what these white families do for their loved ones?

And from what I remember Liz Taylor always had MJ's back when it counted. By 2005 she was old, so of course she wasn't as vocal compared to 1993, but whenver asked about MJ, she still always had his back. And unlike MJ's family, you always knew she would rep hard for MJ. As a fan, never were you ever worried about her saying something wrong about MJ. That woman didn't play when it came to him.

It's insane to go after her for using MJ for money, and then prop up a one note family like the Jacksons. Spike Lee has said more in one interview about MJ's legacy than MJ's big ass family ever has since his passing.

And for the record I did like Word To the badd. A shame the song didn't take off. It was a good song.

so that's the explanation....Liz Taylor was too old to show her support publically?

so that's the million dollar answer......

so Liz was too old, even though Katherine was older than she was and showed up at every single court proceeding from beginning to end, from the day of Michael's arraignment, supporting him throughout grand jury proceeding, a ruling that determine the case would be tried in the court of law

Katherine did at least 2 tv interviews during 2004 showing support for a situation that could have been avoided altogether....

from day one of that trial, to the day she had to sit up in that courtroom and listen to some of the most vile accusations imaginable made about her child,

w/limp and all, she was there every single day.....

and she was/is 2-3 years older than LIZ, and by her attending that trial every day, and the nature of the allegations itself, I'm sure her health and well being took a strong hit too.....and she’s STILL having to go to court because of the madness as we speak

and before anyone jumps the gun, I never believed Michael was guilty of molesting children

I know LIZ or anyone else who Michael viewed as his friends were never going to show up at that trial.....they were cool on him, and they ditched him....as predicted…it didn’t surprise me one bit

the only people who showed up at that trial were his family

LIZ didn't even show up for the verdict

and that transcript the other person posted, that transcript of the interview she did w/LARRY KING took place in mid 2006, almost a full year after the man was acquitted and wasn't even living in the country at that point, so she didn't mind coming on tv in "support" of him by that time because the stigma of the allegations was not as present

but when the heat was boiling in the kitchen all of his so-called friends were nowhere in sight to be found, you didn’t hear a whisper

and do you know why these "friends" associated with this guy, because it ENHANCED their profile and their visibility in the public eye but he didn't see it that way, they used him by associating w/his name and his stature

The personal careers of the people he had befriended, their careers had long subsided years before they even knew him personally, so to rekindle their career, they used his name and stature to do so, when he thought he was the person who was accomplishing that goal for himself

Because of Liz’s association with Michael, I guarantee you that was the reason she was able to start her perfume line White Diamonds…..

and guess what year it was launched?...in 2001…

and guess what else happened in 2001?......the MSG concerts for Michael Jackson

Get the picture?.....

And guess what there’s no doubt in my mind that Michael Jackson gave her money to help her launch that fragrance…and guess what else he did? You know why she appeared at the MSG concerts to introduce Michael and the brothers on stage?....do you know why she did it?.....

Because Michael Jackson gave this woman a $600,000 piece of jewelry, and not only that, he paid Marlon Brando a million bucks just to appear on stage and give that speech he gave….that did not align w/the context of the show…..and then he paid Brando millions of dollars to appear in his You Rock My World just so he can sit in his godfather chair and spin it around, and to utter these two words “BING, BANG”…

When has been the last time we’ve seen Marlon Brando publically?...it’s been ages…..

Not to take anything away from his accomplishments from back in the day, he’s one of our greatest actors (how can he not be when he played Vito Carleone and Jor-el the father of Superman) but the only reason he appeared on that show was for the money, the only reason LIZ appeared on that show was to get that $600,000 piece of jewelry.

I’m not even saying LIZ didn’t contribute to the arts, and society as she raised millions of dollars for AIDS research, but the last major motion picture that she was really know for here in the United States was CLEOPATRA, and that was back in 1963, when John F. Kennedy was president, when our parents were either learning to walk or were in grade school at the most.

So what it comes down to, whether MJ fans (of the last 20 years) care to admit it or not, that relationship was based on image, and financial incentive no matter how we try to slice it…..there may have been genuine show of concern, but that money was the tell tale

[Edited 8/16/12 21:21pm]

Scorp,

You are so pathetic. In case you didn't know, Katherine Jackson IS Michael's MOTHER. Of course, she SHOULD have and DID show up for his trial EVERY DAY. If you want to get "technical", do you actually think that she wouldn't show up for her SON? It's the least she could do. Especially, since Michael was basically the SOLE SUPPORT of Katherine and the ENTIRE FAMILY. It is very ignorant of you to compare Katherine coming to the trial and not Elizabeth. Don't forget that this trial was NOT held in Los Angeles, it was Santa Barbara. Who are YOU to EXPECT Liz Taylor to do MORE than Michael's own mother. Btw, do you realize that Janet ONLY came TWO times? Do you realize that Marlon ONLY came ONE, maybe TWO times. And yet, you EXPECT Liz Taylor a FRIEND to show up everyday? I can almost guarantee you that Michael did NOT expect Liz to show up everyday or she would have. This is a lady who got on a plane and half way across the world to be with Michael during the allegations in 1993. Do you know that Katherine Jackson asked for MONEY to go on the show "Hard Copy" before she would DEFEND Michael? Of course, you don't know these things because you are close minded and ONLY want to focus on the negative things when it comes to Michael. I don't know if your agenda is for YOUR OWN SELFISH agenda; OR, you are posting in order to help SOMEONE ELSE'S sick agenda. Whatever the reason, your bullcrap does not work with people who are aware and knowledgeable. You may be able to fool young fans or new fans who many not know any better; however, there is no damn way that you can me or people like me who know that you are full of $#@%.

Free2BMe said:

Scorp,

You are so pathetic. In case you didn't know, Katherine Jackson IS Michael's MOTHER. Of course, she SHOULD have and DID show up for his trial EVERY DAY. If you want to get "technical", do you actually think that she wouldn't show up for her SON? It's the least she could do. Especially, since Michael was basically the SOLE SUPPORT of Katherine and the ENTIRE FAMILY. It is very ignorant of you to compare Katherine coming to the trial and not Elizabeth. Don't forget that this trial was NOT held in Los Angeles, it was Santa Barbara. Who are YOU to EXPECT Liz Taylor to do MORE than Michael's own mother. Btw, do you realize that Janet ONLY came TWO times? Do you realize that Marlon ONLY came ONE, maybe TWO times. And yet, you EXPECT Liz Taylor a FRIEND to show up everyday? I can almost guarantee you that Michael did NOT expect Liz to show up everyday or she would have. This is a lady who got on a plane and half way across the world to be with Michael during the allegations in 1993. Do you know that Katherine Jackson asked for MONEY to go on the show "Hard Copy" before she would DEFEND Michael? Of course, you don't know these things because you are close minded and ONLY want to focus on the negative things when it comes to Michael. I don't know if your agenda is for YOUR OWN SELFISH agenda; OR, you are posting in order to help SOMEONE ELSE'S sick agenda. Whatever the reason, your bullcrap does not work with people who are aware and knowledgeable. You may be able to fool young fans or new fans who many not know any better; however, there is no damn way that you can me or people like me who know that you are full of $#@%.

Excellent post. This is why I love MJ fans. They are just all about the facts and getting straight to the point.

Bravo!

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

so that's the explanation....Liz Taylor was too old to show her support publically?

so that's the million dollar answer......

so Liz was too old, even though Katherine was older than she was and showed up at every single court proceeding from beginning to end, from the day of Michael's arraignment, supporting him throughout grand jury proceeding, a ruling that determine the case would be tried in the court of law

Katherine did at least 2 tv interviews during 2004 showing support for a situation that could have been avoided altogether....

from day one of that trial, to the day she had to sit up in that courtroom and listen to some of the most vile accusations imaginable made about her child,

w/limp and all, she was there every single day.....

and she was/is 2-3 years older than LIZ, and by her attending that trial every day, and the nature of the allegations itself, I'm sure her health and well being took a strong hit too.....and she’s STILL having to go to court because of the madness as we speak

and before anyone jumps the gun, I never believed Michael was guilty of molesting children

I know LIZ or anyone else who Michael viewed as his friends were never going to show up at that trial.....they were cool on him, and they ditched him....as predicted…it didn’t surprise me one bit

the only people who showed up at that trial were his family

LIZ didn't even show up for the verdict

and that transcript the other person posted, that transcript of the interview she did w/LARRY KING took place in mid 2006, almost a full year after the man was acquitted and wasn't even living in the country at that point, so she didn't mind coming on tv in "support" of him by that time because the stigma of the allegations was not as present

but when the heat was boiling in the kitchen all of his so-called friends were nowhere in sight to be found, you didn’t hear a whisper

and do you know why these "friends" associated with this guy, because it ENHANCED their profile and their visibility in the public eye but he didn't see it that way, they used him by associating w/his name and his stature

The personal careers of the people he had befriended, their careers had long subsided years before they even knew him personally, so to rekindle their career, they used his name and stature to do so, when he thought he was the person who was accomplishing that goal for himself

Because of Liz’s association with Michael, I guarantee you that was the reason she was able to start her perfume line White Diamonds…..

and guess what year it was launched?...in 2001…

and guess what else happened in 2001?......the MSG concerts for Michael Jackson

Get the picture?.....

And guess what there’s no doubt in my mind that Michael Jackson gave her money to help her launch that fragrance…and guess what else he did? You know why she appeared at the MSG concerts to introduce Michael and the brothers on stage?....do you know why she did it?.....

Because Michael Jackson gave this woman a $600,000 piece of jewelry, and not only that, he paid Marlon Brando a million bucks just to appear on stage and give that speech he gave….that did not align w/the context of the show…..and then he paid Brando millions of dollars to appear in his You Rock My World just so he can sit in his godfather chair and spin it around, and to utter these two words “BING, BANG”…

When has been the last time we’ve seen Marlon Brando publically?...it’s been ages…..

Not to take anything away from his accomplishments from back in the day, he’s one of our greatest actors (how can he not be when he played Vito Carleone and Jor-el the father of Superman) but the only reason he appeared on that show was for the money, the only reason LIZ appeared on that show was to get that $600,000 piece of jewelry.

I’m not even saying LIZ didn’t contribute to the arts, and society as she raised millions of dollars for AIDS research, but the last major motion picture that she was really know for here in the United States was CLEOPATRA, and that was back in 1963, when John F. Kennedy was president, when our parents were either learning to walk or were in grade school at the most.

So what it comes down to, whether MJ fans (of the last 20 years) care to admit it or not, that relationship was based on image, and financial incentive no matter how we try to slice it…..there may have been genuine show of concern, but that money was the tell tale

[Edited 8/16/12 21:21pm]

Scorp,

You are so pathetic. In case you didn't know, Katherine Jackson IS Michael's MOTHER. Of course, she SHOULD have and DID show up for his trial EVERY DAY. If you want to get "technical", do you actually think that she wouldn't show up for her SON? It's the least she could do. Especially, since Michael was basically the SOLE SUPPORT of Katherine and the ENTIRE FAMILY. It is very ignorant of you to compare Katherine coming to the trial and not Elizabeth. Don't forget that this trial was NOT held in Los Angeles, it was Santa Barbara. Who are YOU to EXPECT Liz Taylor to do MORE than Michael's own mother. Btw, do you realize that Janet ONLY came TWO times? Do you realize that Marlon ONLY came ONE, maybe TWO times. And yet, you EXPECT Liz Taylor a FRIEND to show up everyday? I can almost guarantee you that Michael did NOT expect Liz to show up everyday or she would have. This is a lady who got on a plane and half way across the world to be with Michael during the allegations in 1993. Do you know that Katherine Jackson asked for MONEY to go on the show "Hard Copy" before she would DEFEND Michael? Of course, you don't know these things because you are close minded and ONLY want to focus on the negative things when it comes to Michael. I don't know if your agenda is for YOUR OWN SELFISH agenda; OR, you are posting in order to help SOMEONE ELSE'S sick agenda. Whatever the reason, your bullcrap does not work with people who are aware and knowledgeable. You may be able to fool young fans or new fans who many not know any better; however, there is no damn way that you can me or people like me who know that you are full of $#@%.

actually, I'm doing great...

very predictable response...

the reason I pointed out the comparison to age and contrast to expectation is to show the fact if Katherine was able to show up throughout the duration of the trial

LIZ could have shown up at LEAST one time....see, I'm already 2 steps ahead because I know what the responses are going to be like.....

and none of Michael's other "friends" didn't show up either.....they all ditched up, none of them showed up once either.....other than the ones who were brought in to testify

when the trial concluded, that's when his "friends" started popping up on tv again to show their "support"

I have no agenda because I never upheld the lies....

and when you get right down to it, that situation w/the allegations and that trial could have all been avoided if the man would have established natural boundaries regarding his relationship w/non-related children......THA'TS THE BOTTOM LINE.....

all of that could have been avoided

as far as what you think I don't know, it was already known because as early as 1989, 4 years before he was accused the first time, people were asking him to refrain from putting himself to be in position to be accused of that

and I already see your angle, talking about that's the least she can do, considering the fact Katherine Jackson has been going to court for over 20 years due to the madness and STILL has to deal w/legal crap because of it.....

it was SELFISH for those to encourage this guy to move beyond his natural existense and attempt to become somebody he was not, and because of that unfair expectation placed upon him by a superficial body of opportunists, this man self destructed on a world stage where his livelihood was cut short, wayyyyy short, he destroyed his appearance and his body in the process

and since you wanna bring up selfish, let's do that.....

let's bring up selfishness

What's selfish is for a number of his fans to say boldly over the years they never would have accepted if he remained visibly black...THAT'S SELFISH.....and I've seen those sentitments time and time again since the internet has been incorporated into our world

no sooner than the man was acquitted, many of his fans darn near demanded that he rush back in the studio and cut an album (even though he was no longer affiliated with a recording label), and they wanted it like yesterday to fulfill their false sense of entitlement, so they could shout out loud that he was still the proverbial King of Pop, so they could mock the media and the greater public at large, even when his humanity had been shredded by years and years of indifference

it wasnt about him as much as it was about them....because he really should have called it a career then, there was nothing else to prove because he already proved it decades prior when he dropped Off The Wall (his best album....even Michael said that himself as well as his favorite to work on) and Thriller

The man had unofficially retired in his heart but his fans couldn't and refused to see it, and from that point on, he gave the impression that he was still active when he really wasn't.....

let's take it to 2006...when he appeared at that year's World Music Awards, remember to receive that diamon award for earning 100 million sales of Thriller when his fans expected him to perform and when he said he had no plans of performing....the reaction was hostile and that many of his fans directed anger towards him because their false sense of entitlement was not going to be met...they were even booing him because I saw it....so don't even try it

This happend to Whitney Houston also when she performed in Australia, the crowd booed her too because she couldn't perform as she once did, but the human toll was never considered, now she's gone too......

what happened to Whitney is the same thing that happened to Michael but on a lesser scale and sligther measures....she was a victim of the Pop Ascension movement too

the entertainment value means nothing to me when there's no longer a legit reason to seek it

Those 02 concerts...had disaster written all over it......fans were lining up to take shots at commercial media and the public at large, couldn't wait to mock ..those shows never should have been scheduled...fans couldn't wait though because I've seen many expressed themselves in a manner where they said they couldn't wait to tell the media to f*** off

but see, it wasn't about the media, it was about a man who was destroyed

They failed to considered the fact that man hadn't performed a concert show in 12 years from the HISTORY TOUR, a tour in which he primarily lyp sanc throughout because his health was declining even then.....

He was in no shape to do them shows......no way shape or form...but most of the fans didn't care about that......they wanted the entertainment value no matter what...THAT'S SELFISH

the human toll didn't mean anything, even when he was crying out to the world, but not enough ears were listening.....

if you watch that press conference that he attended to annouce the tour, in the midst of the hysteria....Michael Jackson was an exasperated human being who was a tired soul because from 25 years ago, he was encouraged to partake in a path that he underestimated just how much it was going to destroy him....he wanted to give in and call it a career but knew he couldn't

but for a person such as myself, I considered the human toll and plead for everyone involved to cancel the entire event....

I don't have to call other's ignorant...I can't stand that word, the connotation behind is rooted in ambivalence.....

as far as who's negative...there really is no immediate form of positivity when you consider how he was destroyed...

we'll never receive another body of new music from Michael Jackson ever again

that fake posthumous gives indication what it's going to be like...when Michael said THIS IS IT, that's what he meant

what could have been vs what actually happened is enough to make you melancholy

[Edited 8/17/12 12:43pm]

[Edited 8/17/12 13:40pm]

mookie said:

Free2BMe said:

Scorp,

You are so pathetic. In case you didn't know, Katherine Jackson IS Michael's MOTHER. Of course, she SHOULD have and DID show up for his trial EVERY DAY. If you want to get "technical", do you actually think that she wouldn't show up for her SON? It's the least she could do. Especially, since Michael was basically the SOLE SUPPORT of Katherine and the ENTIRE FAMILY. It is very ignorant of you to compare Katherine coming to the trial and not Elizabeth. Don't forget that this trial was NOT held in Los Angeles, it was Santa Barbara. Who are YOU to EXPECT Liz Taylor to do MORE than Michael's own mother. Btw, do you realize that Janet ONLY came TWO times? Do you realize that Marlon ONLY came ONE, maybe TWO times. And yet, you EXPECT Liz Taylor a FRIEND to show up everyday? I can almost guarantee you that Michael did NOT expect Liz to show up everyday or she would have. This is a lady who got on a plane and half way across the world to be with Michael during the allegations in 1993. Do you know that Katherine Jackson asked for MONEY to go on the show "Hard Copy" before she would DEFEND Michael? Of course, you don't know these things because you are close minded and ONLY want to focus on the negative things when it comes to Michael. I don't know if your agenda is for YOUR OWN SELFISH agenda; OR, you are posting in order to help SOMEONE ELSE'S sick agenda. Whatever the reason, your bullcrap does not work with people who are aware and knowledgeable. You may be able to fool young fans or new fans who many not know any better; however, there is no damn way that you can me or people like me who know that you are full of $#@%.

Excellent post. This is why I love MJ fans. They are just all about the facts and getting straight to the point.

Bravo!

The hell they are.

Scorp said:

Free2BMe said:

Scorp,

You are so pathetic. In case you didn't know, Katherine Jackson IS Michael's MOTHER. Of course, she SHOULD have and DID show up for his trial EVERY DAY. If you want to get "technical", do you actually think that she wouldn't show up for her SON? It's the least she could do. Especially, since Michael was basically the SOLE SUPPORT of Katherine and the ENTIRE FAMILY. It is very ignorant of you to compare Katherine coming to the trial and not Elizabeth. Don't forget that this trial was NOT held in Los Angeles, it was Santa Barbara. Who are YOU to EXPECT Liz Taylor to do MORE than Michael's own mother. Btw, do you realize that Janet ONLY came TWO times? Do you realize that Marlon ONLY came ONE, maybe TWO times. And yet, you EXPECT Liz Taylor a FRIEND to show up everyday? I can almost guarantee you that Michael did NOT expect Liz to show up everyday or she would have. This is a lady who got on a plane and half way across the world to be with Michael during the allegations in 1993. Do you know that Katherine Jackson asked for MONEY to go on the show "Hard Copy" before she would DEFEND Michael? Of course, you don't know these things because you are close minded and ONLY want to focus on the negative things when it comes to Michael. I don't know if your agenda is for YOUR OWN SELFISH agenda; OR, you are posting in order to help SOMEONE ELSE'S sick agenda. Whatever the reason, your bullcrap does not work with people who are aware and knowledgeable. You may be able to fool young fans or new fans who many not know any better; however, there is no damn way that you can me or people like me who know that you are full of $#@%.

actually, I'm doing great...

very predictable response...

the reason I pointed out the comparison to age and contrast to expectation is to show the fact if Katherine was able to show up throughout the duration of the trial

LIZ could have shown up at LEAST one time....see, I'm already 2 steps ahead because I know what the responses are going to be like.....

and none of Michael's other "friends" didn't show up either.....they all ditched up, none of them showed up once either.....other than the ones who were brought in to testify

when the trial concluded, that's when his "friends" started popping up on tv again to show their "support"

I have no agenda because I never upheld the lies....

and when you get right down to it, that situation w/the allegations and that trial could have all been avoided if the man would have established natural boundaries regarding his relationship w/non-related children......THA'TS THE BOTTOM LINE.....

all of that could have been avoided

as far as what you think I don't know, it was already known because as early as 1989, 4 years before he was accused the first time, people were asking him to refrain from putting himself to be in position to be accused of that

and I already see your angle, talking about that's the least she can do, considering the fact Katherine Jackson has been going to court for over 20 years due to the madness and STILL has to deal w/legal crap because of it.....

it was SELFISH for those to encourage this guy to move beyond his natural existense and attempt to become somebody he was not, and because of that unfair expectation placed upon him by a superficial body of opportunists, this man self destructed on a world stage where his livelihood was cut short, wayyyyy short, he destroyed his appearance and his body in the process

and since you wanna bring up selfish, let's do that.....

let's bring up selfishness

What's selfish is for a number of his fans to say boldly over the years they never would have accepted if he remained visibly black...THAT'S SELFISH.....and I've seen those sentitments time and time again since the internet has been incorporated into our world

no sooner than the man was acquitted, many of his fans darn near demanded that he rush back in the studio and cut an album (even though he was no longer affiliated with a recording label), and they wanted it like yesterday to fulfill their false sense of entitlement, so they could shout out loud that he was still the proverbial King of Pop, so they could mock the media and the greater public at large, even when his humanity had been shredded by years and years of indifference

it wasnt about him as much as it was about them....because he really should have called it a career then, there was nothing else to prove because he already proved it decades prior when he dropped Off The Wall (his best album....even Michael said that himself as well as his favorite to work on) and Thriller

The man had unofficially retired in his heart but his fans couldn't and refused to see it, and from that point on, he gave the impression that he was still active when he really wasn't.....

let's take it to 2006...when he appeared at that year's World Music Awards, remember to receive that diamon award for earning 100 million sales of Thriller when his fans expected him to perform and when he said he had no plans of performing....the reaction was hostile and that many of his fans directed anger towards him because their false sense of entitlement was not going to be met...they were even booing him because I saw it....so don't even try it

This happend to Whitney Houston also when she performed in Australia, the crowd booed her too because she couldn't perform as she once did, but the human toll was never considered, now she's gone too......

what happened to Whitney is the same thing that happened to Michael but on a lesser scale and sligther measures....she was a victim of the Pop Ascension movement too

the entertainment value means nothing to me when there's no longer a legit reason to seek it

Those 02 concerts...had disaster written all over it......fans were lining up to take shots at commercial media and the public at large, couldn't wait to mock ..those shows never should have been scheduled...fans couldn't wait though because I've seen many expressed themselves in a manner where they said they couldn't wait to tell the media to f*** off

but see, it wasn't about the media, it was about a man who was destroyed

They failed to considered the fact that man hadn't performed a concert show in 12 years from the HISTORY TOUR, a tour in which he primarily lyp sanc throughout because his health was declining even then.....

He was in no shape to do them shows......no way shape or form...but most of the fans didn't care about that......they wanted the entertainment value no matter what...THAT'S SELFISH

the human toll didn't mean anything, even when he was crying out to the world, but not enough ears were listening.....

if you watch that press conference that he attended to annouce the tour, in the midst of the hysteria....Michael Jackson was an exasperated human being who was a tired soul because from 25 years ago, he was encouraged to partake in a path that he underestimated just how much it was going to destroy him....he wanted to give in and call it a career but knew he couldn't

but for a person such as myself, I considered the human toll and plead for everyone involved to cancel the entire event....

I don't have to call other's ignorant...I can't stand that word, the connotation behind is rooted in ambivalence.....

as far as who's negative...there really is no immediate form of positivity when you consider how he was destroyed...

we'll never receive another body of new music from Michael Jackson ever again

that fake posthumous gives indication what it's going to be like...when Michael said THIS IS IT, that's what he meant

what could have been vs what actually happened is enough to make you melancholy

[Edited 8/17/12 12:43pm]

[Edited 8/17/12 13:40pm]

Predictable, boring babble from an OBSESSED pretend "know-it-all" who doesn't have a CLUE. Continue trying to convince YOURSELF, Scorp; because, no one with even a semblance of knowledge would believe anything that you spew out. You are truly "over the edge" and if you are not careful, you will be too far gone to come back from that edge. Seriously, I am concerned for your mental health and I mean that in the nicest way possible. Please get some help, mister!

[Edited 8/17/12 19:02pm]

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

actually, I'm doing great...

very predictable response...

the reason I pointed out the comparison to age and contrast to expectation is to show the fact if Katherine was able to show up throughout the duration of the trial

LIZ could have shown up at LEAST one time....see, I'm already 2 steps ahead because I know what the responses are going to be like.....

and none of Michael's other "friends" didn't show up either.....they all ditched up, none of them showed up once either.....other than the ones who were brought in to testify

when the trial concluded, that's when his "friends" started popping up on tv again to show their "support"

I have no agenda because I never upheld the lies....

and when you get right down to it, that situation w/the allegations and that trial could have all been avoided if the man would have established natural boundaries regarding his relationship w/non-related children......THA'TS THE BOTTOM LINE.....

all of that could have been avoided

as far as what you think I don't know, it was already known because as early as 1989, 4 years before he was accused the first time, people were asking him to refrain from putting himself to be in position to be accused of that

and I already see your angle, talking about that's the least she can do, considering the fact Katherine Jackson has been going to court for over 20 years due to the madness and STILL has to deal w/legal crap because of it.....

it was SELFISH for those to encourage this guy to move beyond his natural existense and attempt to become somebody he was not, and because of that unfair expectation placed upon him by a superficial body of opportunists, this man self destructed on a world stage where his livelihood was cut short, wayyyyy short, he destroyed his appearance and his body in the process

and since you wanna bring up selfish, let's do that.....

let's bring up selfishness

What's selfish is for a number of his fans to say boldly over the years they never would have accepted if he remained visibly black...THAT'S SELFISH.....and I've seen those sentitments time and time again since the internet has been incorporated into our world

no sooner than the man was acquitted, many of his fans darn near demanded that he rush back in the studio and cut an album (even though he was no longer affiliated with a recording label), and they wanted it like yesterday to fulfill their false sense of entitlement, so they could shout out loud that he was still the proverbial King of Pop, so they could mock the media and the greater public at large, even when his humanity had been shredded by years and years of indifference

it wasnt about him as much as it was about them....because he really should have called it a career then, there was nothing else to prove because he already proved it decades prior when he dropped Off The Wall (his best album....even Michael said that himself as well as his favorite to work on) and Thriller

The man had unofficially retired in his heart but his fans couldn't and refused to see it, and from that point on, he gave the impression that he was still active when he really wasn't.....

let's take it to 2006...when he appeared at that year's World Music Awards, remember to receive that diamon award for earning 100 million sales of Thriller when his fans expected him to perform and when he said he had no plans of performing....the reaction was hostile and that many of his fans directed anger towards him because their false sense of entitlement was not going to be met...they were even booing him because I saw it....so don't even try it

This happend to Whitney Houston also when she performed in Australia, the crowd booed her too because she couldn't perform as she once did, but the human toll was never considered, now she's gone too......

what happened to Whitney is the same thing that happened to Michael but on a lesser scale and sligther measures....she was a victim of the Pop Ascension movement too

the entertainment value means nothing to me when there's no longer a legit reason to seek it

Those 02 concerts...had disaster written all over it......fans were lining up to take shots at commercial media and the public at large, couldn't wait to mock ..those shows never should have been scheduled...fans couldn't wait though because I've seen many expressed themselves in a manner where they said they couldn't wait to tell the media to f*** off

but see, it wasn't about the media, it was about a man who was destroyed

They failed to considered the fact that man hadn't performed a concert show in 12 years from the HISTORY TOUR, a tour in which he primarily lyp sanc throughout because his health was declining even then.....

He was in no shape to do them shows......no way shape or form...but most of the fans didn't care about that......they wanted the entertainment value no matter what...THAT'S SELFISH

the human toll didn't mean anything, even when he was crying out to the world, but not enough ears were listening.....

if you watch that press conference that he attended to annouce the tour, in the midst of the hysteria....Michael Jackson was an exasperated human being who was a tired soul because from 25 years ago, he was encouraged to partake in a path that he underestimated just how much it was going to destroy him....he wanted to give in and call it a career but knew he couldn't

but for a person such as myself, I considered the human toll and plead for everyone involved to cancel the entire event....

I don't have to call other's ignorant...I can't stand that word, the connotation behind is rooted in ambivalence.....

as far as who's negative...there really is no immediate form of positivity when you consider how he was destroyed...

we'll never receive another body of new music from Michael Jackson ever again

that fake posthumous gives indication what it's going to be like...when Michael said THIS IS IT, that's what he meant

what could have been vs what actually happened is enough to make you melancholy

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Predictable, boring babble from an OBSESSED pretend "kmow-it-all" who doesn't have a CLUE. Continue trying to convince YOURSELF, Scorp; because, no one with even a semblance of knowledge would believe anything that you spew out. You are truly "over the edge" and if you are not careful, you will be too far gone to come back from that edge. Seriously, I am concerned for your mental health and I mean that in the nicest way possible. Please get some help, mister!

we'll see how all of this plays out, because it's far from over....because once the first lie goes, they all roll

once commercial media can no longer exploit this situation, which is predicated on madness, then that's all she wrote, all the lies will roll down the tracks like a locomotive, ...and then we'll see who's who and who's not, who has and who's got

and we'll see who's mental health is challenged...

this situation is a serious as it gets and it's never been funny.....

I would advise you direct that misdiagnosis to those who said point blank they would have never accepted Michael Jackson if he remained visibly black......

that's pathological right out the box.......

no lie can withstand the truth.....the truth doesn't need psychological reasoning or the lack thereof, it's absolute in nature...

you ain't getting no browning points off of me......

I aint the one who ever placed a bogus expectation on an indivudal to obliterate their natural being in order for me to accept him......

"Here abandoned in my fame, armageddon of the brain, KGB be calling me, just take my name and let me be"

you see, he always cried out to the world what how Pop Ascension was destroying him but his fans chose not to listen....

at the end of the day, NOBODY won in this, there is no moral victory in this story...

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You guys say the Jacksons only care bout money, so why the fuck would they care whether you think they are good brothers and sisters or not? Shut up already.

This is Jermaine's song, and all of a sudden we are talking about Michael Jackson sleeping with little kids. MJ fans cannot have anyone talking about any Jackson other than Michael.

Azz said:

This is Jermaine's song, and all of a sudden we are talking about Michael Jackson sleeping with little kids. MJ fans cannot have anyone talking about any Jackson other than Michael.

Reply #7 posted 08/10/12 3:43am

cbarnes3121 said:

this was a song that needed 2 b done michael distanced himself from his family and just totally shut them down cuz he thought he was the big bad superstar then when all the charges came who was there michael?? your family they was in court on days michael wasnt even there.michael acted as if he hated being black til white america turned on him he even went out and bought some white kids

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I've always said this song was good. But disagreed with Jermaine trying to call MJ out publicly. There's too much dirt aimed at all of them in that family for any of them to be trying to call MJ out. MJ just did too much for them for anyone to be throwing any stones at him.

I see some trying to make this family out to be militant or something. But everytime you look up it's white people that are using the Jackson family and it's the white media the Jackson family kisses up to.

musicology54 said:

I think im going to stop postin Jermaine songs for awhile. [Edited 8/14/12 21:46pm]

Not unless it's about child support, and his greasy head

Beautifulstarr123 said:

musicology54 said:

I think im going to stop postin Jermaine songs for awhile. [Edited 8/14/12 21:46pm]

Not unless it's about child support, and his greasy head

child support and greasy head = child molestation charges and prosthetic nose

CANUHELPME said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Not unless it's about child support, and his greasy head

child support and greasy head = child molestation charges and prosthetic nose

The Jacksons are one big mess, aren't they?

Beautifulstarr123 said:

CANUHELPME said:

child support and greasy head = child molestation charges and prosthetic nose

The Jacksons are one big mess, aren't they?

They are human like the rest of us. Unfortunately we can't change the past. I believe, if MJ and JJ could change the past it would be "J5/Jacksons Forever".

MJ has had his flaws and these topics coming up are real issues that go on in the world when it comes to beauty standards, but MJ is NOT a poster child for something that was going on long before he was born and still continues, he just happened to be the most popular and was a very easy target, the real issue is with the people who are focusing too much. He did not have the first nosejob or prosthetic nose, or self-internalized issues if any, cause we all have experienced some form of oppression in our lives so don't fool yourselves. I sometimes didn't get him either (confused about his race) when I was way too young to know about how the world works, like why people were saying that was mj when I didn't remember him looking a certain way in kindergarten compared to later on in elementary school and so forth, but figured I'd understand when I'm old enough and told myself it's the same michael if adults are telling me it's him, and once I got the internet and heard about vitiligo for the first time, I understood it though I spoke to other fans about it first and wanted validation, cause I really had not heard of it before, and felt bad for him.

I do not agree with fans saying they wouldn't have liked him if he didn't "look white", that to me sounds like appropriation and them being big racists, and it speaks volumes about the type of people they are for even having the nerve saying that out loud. Be mad at them if you need someone to be mad at. I haven't spoken to any fans like that, but have heard of fans who had to deal with people who don't like black people and disapprove of them for liking mj. I also find it amazing that the very issues people deal with on a personal level triggers them so much when mj is brought up and they suddenly start trashing him and later on I learn something about them that explains their behaviour, so really, MJ is only a small part of it.