tmo1965 said:

SoulAlive said:

When Michael died,didn't the autopsy confirm that he did,in fact,have vitiligo?

Yes it did. People want to believe that MJ bleached his skin, but he didn't. Well he did, but only to match the rest of his skin with the vitiligo, when more of his skin lost pigment than had pigment. MJ said countless times that he was proud to be black. Cicely Tyson said that MJ started to wear the one glove to hide the vitiligo. I remember after the Oprah interview, that one of his brothers (I believe Jackie) said that he was glad the MJ finally came forward with the reason for his skin color change. But I guess people want to believe whatever they want to believe regardless of facts.

Michael Jackson started wearing the glittered glove as early as 1979 during the 2nd leg of the Destiny Tour as he released Off The Wall,

he initially started wearing it whenever he performed the Motown Medley of songs along with Dancing Machine

then as the Jacksons introduced the Triumph Tour in 1981, he began wearing 2 versions of the glove whenever he performed Working Day and Night: one was the glittered version and then another version consisted of a black colored glove w/rhinestone covering the stripes that ran along side it

and just as he performed w/the glove over the years w/his solo tours, he didn't always perform w/the glove on the same hand.....whenever he performed Billie Jean, there were shows where he wore the glove on his right hand, and other shows where he wore it on his left hand

and it wasn't like he wore the glove for the entire show, he only wore it for selected songs...so what was the case w/the remaining segment of the show, because he always performed Billie Jean at the midpoint of his concerts

and the REAL REASON why he sported one glove and this was confirmed out of his own mouth and he pinned them w/Jackie Kennedy Onassis, author of his autobiographical account MOONWALK in 1988....he said the reason he wore one glove is because it stood out more one stage than wearing two and since he had the penchant for crafted a style of attire that would stand out (glittered socks, highwater pants, suit jackets coming up to the elbows), that's the accurate account.....

and don't take my word for it....

Here's Mke performing w/the glove on his right hand

http://www.youtube.com/wa...cY1f9ja6NQ (midway point of the clip)

and when he performed on MOTOWN 25

he performed w/the glove on his left hand

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ature=fvst

the truth never lies......

My sister and I had a falling out over ten years ago and I will NEVER feel the same way about her as I did before it happened. There is a reason Michael left his siblings out of his will, in my opinion.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

kibbles said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea I would distance myself from leeches to... greedy bastards. Michael didnt forget nothing. He spent his entire life paying for the family... thats bullshit

i always that it was low to release that song, and when i found out the real deal with jermaine, i thought it was even lower than low.

at the time this song was released, jermaine was laying up at hayvenhurst with his mistress and their kids. mj was paying for every mortgage, every light bill, every food bill, and i'm sure, every hospital bill or insurance for jermaine and his family, yet jermaine had the nerve to treat him like this? and even AFTER he did this, mj continued to pay for jermaine and his next mistress, randy's ex and their kids, and all the while he had been paying for that woman and her children with randy at the same time he was paying for jermaine's? i doubt there is one person this board who would have done that, who would have put up with that. i would have put jermaine's black ass O-U-T out the day that record was released, and i know most people would have done the same.

i don't understand how people can know this, and still say that mj turned his back on his family or the black community. after his death, earl ofari hutchinson wrote a piece in the huffington post about how mj had continued to support a BLACK organization here in l.a., quietly and at a time when everyone thought he was on his last legs and was broke. he may have not had as much money to dole out at the end of his life, but what he had, he shared. fuck jermaine. what goes around comes around. now the brother he took advantage of is dead, and jermaine is shut out of the will. mj had the final 'word to the badd', didn't he?

[Edited 8/10/12 10:15am]

Yes you're telling the truth. It's funny how all the ex wives of the Jacksons men, LOVE Michael but have so much negativity towards the other Jackson brothers. What Jermaine did was very low, yes it was low for Michael to try to use the producers that Jermaine thought would make him world famous ,like Jimmy jam and terry lewis did for Janet but it wasnt cool to do it in public. Jermaine was ALWAYS jealous of Michael, the same way Jackie was jealous of Jermaine. Still though Michael kept paying the families child support and other costs, as well as going to Jermaines Family Honor event and even agreeing on making 2 songs for the Jacksons album" The Jackson Humanity Album" planned for release in 1996. It's easy getting jealous of siblings when they are the most famous artist in the world and are extremly talented business men.

SoulAlive said:

kidmelody2012 said:

he wrong 4 that

I agree If Jermaine had a problem with Michael,he should have met with him and told him those things to his face.Releasing a 'diss record' about his own brother,was a shameful thing to do.The media was already giving Michael a hard time.He shouldn't have had to deal with nonsense like that from his own brother!

Ironically,all these years later,family members are upset that Paris is tweeting about the family drama.But back in the day,Jermaine (and LaToya) had no problem with airing the family's dirty laundry to the world.

Especially when it was about Micheal.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree If Jermaine had a problem with Michael,he should have met with him and told him those things to his face.Releasing a 'diss record' about his own brother,was a shameful thing to do.The media was already giving Michael a hard time.He shouldn't have had to deal with nonsense like that from his own brother!

Ironically,all these years later,family members are upset that Paris is tweeting about the family drama.But back in the day,Jermaine (and LaToya) had no problem with airing the family's dirty laundry to the world.

Especially when it was about Micheal.

and do you know WHY Jermaine produced that song?

and this is why this situation over time is so disastrous and how Michael's superficial image crushed this family's dynamic for all be damned all for the sake of a insignificant pop music distinction

from 1987 (when this great story turned to all out tragedy) up until the point Jermaine made that record in 1991 (a 4 year span)....Michael spoke to his family a total of 8 times, that includes his appearance in the family video 2300 JACKSON STREET, a song and album that reached earned great support from r&b stations and listeners across the land, a record that was inconspicuously pulled from the record shelves unexpectedly...I was at my local record store when it happened, every copy of that record (the cassette version and vinyl) were pulled from the shelf

I asked a store employee why they had to pull the record (the only record that was pulled) and she told me she was told to do so by her manager, and w/in days, the title track was no longer played on the radio.....

that was shady and no coincidence

but in that 4 year period, the fact is Michael Jackson received god awful advice from "advisors" he chose to begin surrounding himself with and they encouraged him to move beyond rapport with his family and he started buying relationships w/people such as Liz Taylor who only "befriended" him because of the money, whenever she made a public appearance on his behalf (such as in 1988 when she attended the ceremony at Fisk University where Mike received an honorary doctorate by the UNCF)

Liz Taylor got paid for her "support" and for the "friendship"...there friendship was for "public relation" purposes

I guarantee if Michael was not lavishing her w/cash and stash, she would have been cool on him

on average, he was contacting his family an average of 2 times per year

Rebbie and Janet have said that there were times beginning in 1990s where they wouldn't here from him at all for a 2 year period.......that don't fly no matter how you slice it

and the real reason he started catching so much flack from the media (commercial media that is) was because he started manipulating the press (and misleading his evolving fanbase which has led to what his current following has been tricked to believe) was because he started planting false stories about himself to create this visual of him being this mysterious figure when all he had to do was continuing relying on his talent to sustain his career

and it was Mike who started talking about his family when his record sales began to fail expectations, beginning w/the BAD album....and then Latoya, who sought the same level of "popularity" and fame as her brother followed suit and began claiming being sexually abused by Joseph and even said he molested sister Rebbie

Rebbie categorically denied those claims (which was a lie from jump street) in the same manner than the brothers denied claims about being physically abused by Joseph that Michael claimed time and time again

so the family was thrown under the bus a long time ago, and that's why this situation is so damning because the perception has totally been distorted

during the years of Off The Wall and Thriller, Mike never said none of that crap

as a matter of fact there was a book written about the Jackson Family called PAPA JOE'S BOYS written during the early 80s (during the years of the Triumph Album of 1980-1981) that painted Joe in a positive realm, there were no claims of abuse which contracts the crap that has been brought forth in the past 25 years.....

that book is NEVER mentioned though because the lies have been upheld for so long

the potential of what could have been is destroyed for good, it's the most detrimental circumstance I've ever witnessed on a public stage....

and that's why Jermaine said that his fans "think" they know Michael but they really don't and still don't because they've fallen for the superficial image hook, line, and sinker

and rather than being recognized as the greatest entertainer ever because of black cultural influence, Michael is going to be remembered for being "the king of pop" which actually marginalizes the essence of what his talent represented.....

Scorp said:

and do you know WHY Jermaine produced that song?

and this is why this situation over time is so disastrous and how Michael's superficial image crushed this family's dynamic for all be damned all for the sake of a insignificant pop music distinction

from 1987 (when this great story turned to all out tragedy) up until the point Jermaine made that record in 1991 (a 4 year span)....Michael spoke to his family a total of 8 times, that includes his appearance in the family video 2300 JACKSON STREET, a song and album that reached earned great support from r&b stations and listeners across the land, a record that was inconspicuously pulled from the record shelves unexpectedly...I was at my local record store when it happened, every copy of that record (the cassette version and vinyl) were pulled from the shelf

I asked a store employee why they had to pull the record (the only record that was pulled) and she told me she was told to do so by her manager, and w/in days, the title track was no longer played on the radio.....

that was shady and no coincidence

but in that 4 year period, the fact is Michael Jackson received god awful advice from "advisors" he chose to begin surrounding himself with and they encouraged him to move beyond rapport with his family and he started buying relationships w/people such as Liz Taylor who only "befriended" him because of the money, whenever she made a public appearance on his behalf (such as in 1988 when she attended the ceremony at Fisk University where Mike received an honorary doctorate by the UNCF)

Liz Taylor got paid for her "support" and for the "friendship"...there friendship was for "public relation" purposes

I guarantee if Michael was not lavishing her w/cash and stash, she would have been cool on him

on average, he was contacting his family an average of 2 times per year

Rebbie and Janet have said that there were times beginning in 1990s where they wouldn't here from him at all for a 2 year period.......that don't fly no matter how you slice it

and the real reason he started catching so much flack from the media (commercial media that is) was because he started manipulating the press (and misleading his evolving fanbase which has led to what his current following has been tricked to believe) was because he started planting false stories about himself to create this visual of him being this mysterious figure when all he had to do was continuing relying on his talent to sustain his career

and it was Mike who started talking about his family when his record sales began to fail expectations, beginning w/the BAD album....and then Latoya, who sought the same level of "popularity" and fame as her brother followed suit and began claiming being sexually abused by Joseph and even said he molested sister Rebbie

Rebbie categorically denied those claims (which was a lie from jump street) in the same manner than the brothers denied claims about being physically abused by Joseph that Michael claimed time and time again

so the family was thrown under the bus a long time ago, and that's why this situation is so damning because the perception has totally been distorted

during the years of Off The Wall and Thriller, Mike never said none of that crap

as a matter of fact there was a book written about the Jackson Family called PAPA JOE'S BOYS written during the early 80s (during the years of the Triumph Album of 1980-1981) that painted Joe in a positive realm, there were no claims of abuse which contracts the crap that has been brought forth in the past 25 years.....

that book is NEVER mentioned though because the lies have been upheld for so long

the potential of what could have been is destroyed for good, it's the most detrimental circumstance I've ever witnessed on a public stage....

and that's why Jermaine said that his fans "think" they know Michael but they really don't and still don't because they've fallen for the superficial image hook, line, and sinker

and rather than being recognized as the greatest entertainer ever because of black cultural influence, Michael is going to be remembered for being "the king of pop" which actually marginalizes the essence of what his talent represented.....

Unholyalliance said:

Scorp said:

and do you know WHY Jermaine produced that song?

and this is why this situation over time is so disastrous and how Michael's superficial image crushed this family's dynamic for all be damned all for the sake of a insignificant pop music distinction

from 1987 (when this great story turned to all out tragedy) up until the point Jermaine made that record in 1991 (a 4 year span)....Michael spoke to his family a total of 8 times, that includes his appearance in the family video 2300 JACKSON STREET, a song and album that reached earned great support from r&b stations and listeners across the land, a record that was inconspicuously pulled from the record shelves unexpectedly...I was at my local record store when it happened, every copy of that record (the cassette version and vinyl) were pulled from the shelf

I asked a store employee why they had to pull the record (the only record that was pulled) and she told me she was told to do so by her manager, and w/in days, the title track was no longer played on the radio.....

that was shady and no coincidence

but in that 4 year period, the fact is Michael Jackson received god awful advice from "advisors" he chose to begin surrounding himself with and they encouraged him to move beyond rapport with his family and he started buying relationships w/people such as Liz Taylor who only "befriended" him because of the money, whenever she made a public appearance on his behalf (such as in 1988 when she attended the ceremony at Fisk University where Mike received an honorary doctorate by the UNCF)

Liz Taylor got paid for her "support" and for the "friendship"...there friendship was for "public relation" purposes

I guarantee if Michael was not lavishing her w/cash and stash, she would have been cool on him

on average, he was contacting his family an average of 2 times per year

Rebbie and Janet have said that there were times beginning in 1990s where they wouldn't here from him at all for a 2 year period.......that don't fly no matter how you slice it

and the real reason he started catching so much flack from the media (commercial media that is) was because he started manipulating the press (and misleading his evolving fanbase which has led to what his current following has been tricked to believe) was because he started planting false stories about himself to create this visual of him being this mysterious figure when all he had to do was continuing relying on his talent to sustain his career

and it was Mike who started talking about his family when his record sales began to fail expectations, beginning w/the BAD album....and then Latoya, who sought the same level of "popularity" and fame as her brother followed suit and began claiming being sexually abused by Joseph and even said he molested sister Rebbie

Rebbie categorically denied those claims (which was a lie from jump street) in the same manner than the brothers denied claims about being physically abused by Joseph that Michael claimed time and time again

so the family was thrown under the bus a long time ago, and that's why this situation is so damning because the perception has totally been distorted

during the years of Off The Wall and Thriller, Mike never said none of that crap

as a matter of fact there was a book written about the Jackson Family called PAPA JOE'S BOYS written during the early 80s (during the years of the Triumph Album of 1980-1981) that painted Joe in a positive realm, there were no claims of abuse which contracts the crap that has been brought forth in the past 25 years.....

that book is NEVER mentioned though because the lies have been upheld for so long

the potential of what could have been is destroyed for good, it's the most detrimental circumstance I've ever witnessed on a public stage....

and that's why Jermaine said that his fans "think" they know Michael but they really don't and still don't because they've fallen for the superficial image hook, line, and sinker

and rather than being recognized as the greatest entertainer ever because of black cultural influence, Michael is going to be remembered for being "the king of pop" which actually marginalizes the essence of what his talent represented.....

I'm not worried about that.........

I would suggest you direct that "book title" to all the lies that has been shelled out for the past 25 years......

I'll never, ever uphold the lies......

MickyDolenz said:

This was said to be written for a movie to star The Time & Janet. Some people think it's about Joseph, although Janet denied it.

Oh damn, I totally forgotten about this infamous b-side!

Unholyalliance said:

Scorp said:

and do you know WHY Jermaine produced that song?

and this is why this situation over time is so disastrous and how Michael's superficial image crushed this family's dynamic for all be damned all for the sake of a insignificant pop music distinction

from 1987 (when this great story turned to all out tragedy) up until the point Jermaine made that record in 1991 (a 4 year span)....Michael spoke to his family a total of 8 times, that includes his appearance in the family video 2300 JACKSON STREET, a song and album that reached earned great support from r&b stations and listeners across the land, a record that was inconspicuously pulled from the record shelves unexpectedly...I was at my local record store when it happened, every copy of that record (the cassette version and vinyl) were pulled from the shelf

I asked a store employee why they had to pull the record (the only record that was pulled) and she told me she was told to do so by her manager, and w/in days, the title track was no longer played on the radio.....

that was shady and no coincidence

but in that 4 year period, the fact is Michael Jackson received god awful advice from "advisors" he chose to begin surrounding himself with and they encouraged him to move beyond rapport with his family and he started buying relationships w/people such as Liz Taylor who only "befriended" him because of the money, whenever she made a public appearance on his behalf (such as in 1988 when she attended the ceremony at Fisk University where Mike received an honorary doctorate by the UNCF)

Liz Taylor got paid for her "support" and for the "friendship"...there friendship was for "public relation" purposes

I guarantee if Michael was not lavishing her w/cash and stash, she would have been cool on him

on average, he was contacting his family an average of 2 times per year

Rebbie and Janet have said that there were times beginning in 1990s where they wouldn't here from him at all for a 2 year period.......that don't fly no matter how you slice it

and the real reason he started catching so much flack from the media (commercial media that is) was because he started manipulating the press (and misleading his evolving fanbase which has led to what his current following has been tricked to believe) was because he started planting false stories about himself to create this visual of him being this mysterious figure when all he had to do was continuing relying on his talent to sustain his career

and it was Mike who started talking about his family when his record sales began to fail expectations, beginning w/the BAD album....and then Latoya, who sought the same level of "popularity" and fame as her brother followed suit and began claiming being sexually abused by Joseph and even said he molested sister Rebbie

Rebbie categorically denied those claims (which was a lie from jump street) in the same manner than the brothers denied claims about being physically abused by Joseph that Michael claimed time and time again

so the family was thrown under the bus a long time ago, and that's why this situation is so damning because the perception has totally been distorted

during the years of Off The Wall and Thriller, Mike never said none of that crap

as a matter of fact there was a book written about the Jackson Family called PAPA JOE'S BOYS written during the early 80s (during the years of the Triumph Album of 1980-1981) that painted Joe in a positive realm, there were no claims of abuse which contracts the crap that has been brought forth in the past 25 years.....

that book is NEVER mentioned though because the lies have been upheld for so long

the potential of what could have been is destroyed for good, it's the most detrimental circumstance I've ever witnessed on a public stage....

and that's why Jermaine said that his fans "think" they know Michael but they really don't and still don't because they've fallen for the superficial image hook, line, and sinker

and rather than being recognized as the greatest entertainer ever because of black cultural influence, Michael is going to be remembered for being "the king of pop" which actually marginalizes the essence of what his talent represented.....

kibbles said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea I would distance myself from leeches to... greedy bastards. Michael didnt forget nothing. He spent his entire life paying for the family... thats bullshit

i always that it was low to release that song, and when i found out the real deal with jermaine, i thought it was even lower than low.

at the time this song was released, jermaine was laying up at hayvenhurst with his mistress and their kids. mj was paying for every mortgage, every light bill, every food bill, and i'm sure, every hospital bill or insurance for jermaine and his family, yet jermaine had the nerve to treat him like this? and even AFTER he did this, mj continued to pay for jermaine and his next mistress, randy's ex and their kids, and all the while he had been paying for that woman and her children with randy at the same time he was paying for jermaine's? i doubt there is one person this board who would have done that, who would have put up with that. i would have put jermaine's black ass O-U-T out the day that record was released, and i know most people would have done the same.

i don't understand how people can know this, and still say that mj turned his back on his family or the black community. after his death, earl ofari hutchinson wrote a piece in the huffington post about how mj had continued to support a BLACK organization here in l.a., quietly and at a time when everyone thought he was on his last legs and was broke. he may have not had as much money to dole out at the end of his life, but what he had, he shared. fuck jermaine. what goes around comes around. now the brother he took advantage of is dead, and jermaine is shut out of the will. mj had the final 'word to the badd', didn't he?

[Edited 8/10/12 10:15am]

Thank you for you voice of sanity and reason. You are correct. I want to add that Margaret Malganado, Jermaine's ex-wife, said in her book that Michael came to their house to talk to Jermaine. She said that Jermaine acted as if he had lost his mind and was screaming, cursing at Michael and saying that Michael was jealous of him because the song "Word To The Bad" was going to be a big hit. She said that Michael had tears in his eyes and basically begged Jermaine not to release it. She said Michael told Jermaine that it would only hurt HIS(Jermaine) career. Michael also told Jermaine that HIS(Michael's) fans would not turn against him because of that song. Margaret said that Jermaine acted like a madman and pushed Michael. She said that Michael tried to talk to Jermaine and Jermaine acted with vengence and hate toward Michael. Michael was correct, the song did not hurt Michael, it hurt Jermaine's career much more.

Jermaine was always jealous of Michael and this song was done out of JEALOUSY and SPITEFULNESS.

SoulAlive said:

fantasticjoy said:

SoulAlive said: Jermaine knew the truth. Michael's vitiligo came in a tube.

When Michael died,didn't the autopsy confirm that he did,in fact,have vitiligo?

YES, the autopsy confirmed that Michael did have vitiligo. Of course, you have the morons who refuse to look at FACTS. They just like to wallow in mendacity and ignorance.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Stop going on about this. What she said about Michael was true.

[Edited 8/10/12 10:13am]

No It wasnt and its only true to you because you dont like Michael and I dont even know why you bother to talk about anythig MJ related when its clear you dont like him and your responses are biased.

You are correct. Even Janet knew that what she said wasn't true. She even said that she didn't take part in any "interventions". WTF, if SHE didn't take part in any of the so-called "interventions", then why mention it on national TV. Amazing that she never revealed anything like this about a REAL drug addict(heroin user) Rene Elizondo, her husband. Anytime someone asked her, she would use that fake mush-mouth tone and say that she couldn't talk about it. This is the very reason that MJ fans know that she is full of shit. Why wait until your brother was murdered to come out with this shit? Why wait until he couldn't defend himself to come out with that shit? Yet, this is the same person who has the audacity to try and silence her 14 year-old niece just for being concerned about the whereabouts of her grandmother? Hypocrisy at its highest. I have zero respect for anyone who would do that sort of thing to a deceased loved one. I will say this again, Michael would NEVER have done Janet the same way, if she oe any other family member had died. It just goes to show how low class and weak this family is. Michael was the normal one.

Free2BMe said:

kibbles said:

i always that it was low to release that song, and when i found out the real deal with jermaine, i thought it was even lower than low.

at the time this song was released, jermaine was laying up at hayvenhurst with his mistress and their kids. mj was paying for every mortgage, every light bill, every food bill, and i'm sure, every hospital bill or insurance for jermaine and his family, yet jermaine had the nerve to treat him like this? and even AFTER he did this, mj continued to pay for jermaine and his next mistress, randy's ex and their kids, and all the while he had been paying for that woman and her children with randy at the same time he was paying for jermaine's? i doubt there is one person this board who would have done that, who would have put up with that. i would have put jermaine's black ass O-U-T out the day that record was released, and i know most people would have done the same.

i don't understand how people can know this, and still say that mj turned his back on his family or the black community. after his death, earl ofari hutchinson wrote a piece in the huffington post about how mj had continued to support a BLACK organization here in l.a., quietly and at a time when everyone thought he was on his last legs and was broke. he may have not had as much money to dole out at the end of his life, but what he had, he shared. fuck jermaine. what goes around comes around. now the brother he took advantage of is dead, and jermaine is shut out of the will. mj had the final 'word to the badd', didn't he?

[Edited 8/10/12 10:15am]

Thank you for you voice of sanity and reason. You are correct. I want to add that Margaret Malganado, Jermaine's ex-wife, said in her book that Michael came to their house to talk to Jermaine. She said that Jermaine acted as if he had lost his mind and was screaming, cursing at Michael and saying that Michael was jealous of him because the song "Word To The Bad" was going to be a big hit. She said that Michael had tears in his eyes and basically begged Jermaine not to release it. She said Michael told Jermaine that it would only hurt HIS(Jermaine) career. Michael also told Jermaine that HIS(Michael's) fans would not turn against him because of that song. Margaret said that Jermaine acted like a madman and pushed Michael. She said that Michael tried to talk to Jermaine and Jermaine acted with vengence and hate toward Michael. Michael was correct, the song did not hurt Michael, it hurt Jermaine's career much more.

Jermaine was always jealous of Michael and this song was done out of JEALOUSY and SPITEFULNESS.

And THAT I believe is what ultimately lead to the end of Jermaine's singing career.

Can we get a round of applause for these two??

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Free2BMe said:

Thank you for you voice of sanity and reason. You are correct. I want to add that Margaret Malganado, Jermaine's ex-wife, said in her book that Michael came to their house to talk to Jermaine. She said that Jermaine acted as if he had lost his mind and was screaming, cursing at Michael and saying that Michael was jealous of him because the song "Word To The Bad" was going to be a big hit. She said that Michael had tears in his eyes and basically begged Jermaine not to release it. She said Michael told Jermaine that it would only hurt HIS(Jermaine) career. Michael also told Jermaine that HIS(Michael's) fans would not turn against him because of that song. Margaret said that Jermaine acted like a madman and pushed Michael. She said that Michael tried to talk to Jermaine and Jermaine acted with vengence and hate toward Michael. Michael was correct, the song did not hurt Michael, it hurt Jermaine's career much more.

Jermaine was always jealous of Michael and this song was done out of JEALOUSY and SPITEFULNESS.

And THAT I believe is what ultimately lead to the end of Jermaine's singing career.

Can we get a round of applause for these two??

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

No It wasnt and its only true to you because you dont like Michael and I dont even know why you bother to talk about anythig MJ related when its clear you dont like him and your responses are biased.

You are correct. Even Janet knew that what she said wasn't true. She even said that she didn't take part in any "interventions". WTF, if SHE didn't take part in any of the so-called "interventions", then why mention it on national TV. Amazing that she never revealed anything like this about a REAL drug addict(heroin user) Rene Elizondo, her husband. Anytime someone asked her, she would use that fake mush-mouth tone and say that she couldn't talk about it. This is the very reason that MJ fans know that she is full of shit. Why wait until your brother was murdered to come out with this shit? Why wait until he couldn't defend himself to come out with that shit? Yet, this is the same person who has the audacity to try and silence her 14 year-old niece just for being concerned about the whereabouts of her grandmother? Hypocrisy at its highest. I have zero respect for anyone who would do that sort of thing to a deceased loved one. I will say this again, Michael would NEVER have done Janet the same way, if she oe any other family member had died. It just goes to show how low class and weak this family is. Michael was the normal one.

GREAT POST!

I admit Michael was perfect but WE ALL ARENT PERFECT firstly..

However Michael would not have done ANY of the mess Janet or any of the family members have done since his passing... JUST LOW and selfish.... people can talk shit about the surgeries and the children but Michael wasnt like that as a person...

Families have drama but I have never seen a family treat their BLOOD the way this family does.... NEVER.

Free2BMe said:

kibbles said:

i always that it was low to release that song, and when i found out the real deal with jermaine, i thought it was even lower than low.

at the time this song was released, jermaine was laying up at hayvenhurst with his mistress and their kids. mj was paying for every mortgage, every light bill, every food bill, and i'm sure, every hospital bill or insurance for jermaine and his family, yet jermaine had the nerve to treat him like this? and even AFTER he did this, mj continued to pay for jermaine and his next mistress, randy's ex and their kids, and all the while he had been paying for that woman and her children with randy at the same time he was paying for jermaine's? i doubt there is one person this board who would have done that, who would have put up with that. i would have put jermaine's black ass O-U-T out the day that record was released, and i know most people would have done the same.

i don't understand how people can know this, and still say that mj turned his back on his family or the black community. after his death, earl ofari hutchinson wrote a piece in the huffington post about how mj had continued to support a BLACK organization here in l.a., quietly and at a time when everyone thought he was on his last legs and was broke. he may have not had as much money to dole out at the end of his life, but what he had, he shared. fuck jermaine. what goes around comes around. now the brother he took advantage of is dead, and jermaine is shut out of the will. mj had the final 'word to the badd', didn't he?

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Thank you for you voice of sanity and reason. You are correct. I want to add that Margaret Malganado, Jermaine's ex-wife, said in her book that Michael came to their house to talk to Jermaine. She said that Jermaine acted as if he had lost his mind and was screaming, cursing at Michael and saying that Michael was jealous of him because the song "Word To The Bad" was going to be a big hit. She said that Michael had tears in his eyes and basically begged Jermaine not to release it. She said Michael told Jermaine that it would only hurt HIS(Jermaine) career. Michael also told Jermaine that HIS(Michael's) fans would not turn against him because of that song. Margaret said that Jermaine acted like a madman and pushed Michael. She said that Michael tried to talk to Jermaine and Jermaine acted with vengence and hate toward Michael. Michael was correct, the song did not hurt Michael, it hurt Jermaine's career much more.

Jermaine was always jealous of Michael and this song was done out of JEALOUSY and SPITEFULNESS.

I really think people should read this book if they havent, it explains a lot of the things that went on during that time. Ive also read personal letters sent from the family to Michael from 88-97 and Jermaine knew he had hurt his relationship with Mike because of jealousy.

kidmelody2012 said:

he wrong 4 that

Apt picture for this damn thread...

phunkdaddy said:

Analyst said:

I have no issue with the lyrical content of the song whatsoever...my whole thing is, if he had all those things to say to him why didn't he just do it privately instead of releasing a song about it to the entire free world.

But that's all water under the bridge now and Jermaine was there and had his back at the trial just like the rest of his family did. Whose to say that if he could re-do things, he'd even release that song today. Everybody fucks up.

Jermaine recorded the song and realized it's something he should not have done

although there could have been some truth to the song, he never meant for

that version to be released that's why you had the album version with different

lyrics but you know the powers that be had to leak the song to generate a buzz.

I would like to think if Jermaine had it do to all over again, he would've never put those thoughts down on a track. To claim after the fact, he was never meant for that version of the song to be released is a naive as celebrities who are "shocked" when a video of them fucking X, Y or Z has gone viral. I don't know the Jackson family dynamics, I can't say I really care. But its not uncommon for siblings to say something hurtful and regret it soon afterwards; in the scheme of things one can only hope they got beyond it.

TD3 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Jermaine recorded the song and realized it's something he should not have done

although there could have been some truth to the song, he never meant for

that version to be released that's why you had the album version with different

lyrics but you know the powers that be had to leak the song to generate a buzz.

I would like to think if Jermaine had it do to all over again, he would've never put those thoughts down on a track. To claim after the fact, he was never meant for that version of the song to be released is a naive as celebrities who are "shocked" when a video of them fucking X, Y or Z has gone viral. I don't know the Jackson family dynamics, I can't say I really care. But its not uncommon for siblings to say something hurtful and regret it soon afterwards; in the scheme of things one can only hope they got beyond it.

there's always 2 sides to every story.....there's always heads vs tails.....fact vs fiction

what people choose to believe rather than what actually was...

I can't believe people can't see this situation for exactly what it is

he wrote that song for a reason, because Michael had no dealings w/his family after he reached the pinncle of his career, that officially ended in 1985

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

instead, he surrounded himself w/sycopants and real live leeches, and people he shelled out millions to for their friendship, people such as Liz Taylor...she was only in it for the money

but when it came time for her to show true friendship, in particular that 2005 trial Michael found himself captured in, she was nowhere to be found in sight and issued a brief press release, real brief.....she was never going to show up in person....some friend

the only people who showed up at that trial throughout its duration was his family...w/his moma showing up every single day, but his fans berate this woman, an 82 year old woman who may not last another year because of the madness.....I dont' respect anyone who uphold the lies, not a soul.......

I'll say it and keep on saying, it.....

if anyone who rag on this family day in and day out for the past 25 years, commercial media, his fan following, fake press, if anyone had to deal w/that themselves they would fold and cave like a tent.......they wouldn't be able to deal with it

and the way they've been attacked over the years is totally wrong who ever's doing it...it ain't right, but because of false sense of entitlement, the majority of MJ fans feel they have a right to do it....

this situation is the most unfortunate thing I've ever seen in my life in the public realm......

the man was not communicating w/his family period...the moment he released the BAD album that was it

Janet Jackson said the family lost Michael after THRILLER, and their most fondest memories of him always occur during the years fo 1969-1985, after that, that's it

the whole situation sucks when it never had to be this way, but the path his chose in seeking the ultimate pop distinction crushed the family dynamic and all that good will was thrown out the window a long time ago.......

because of the lies, the family who once used to be view as the First Family of Music to one who only featured one member who had talent......all destroyed for naught

he wrote that song because Michael wasn't communicating w/them at all.....

when this situation actually went down, Jermaine said he stood behind the song, because he did intended for it to be released but categorically denied that to be the case due to nature of circumstance

but instead of accusing this family of being money grabbers, what about everyone else he surrounded himself with who really juked him out of money

I think it's totally off base to suggest this guy is naive or that even Michael was this naive person when these guys were grown men....Michael was in his mid 30's by the time he released HISTORY

Jermaine was one of the most influential people in the music industry behind the scenes, a former lead executive at Motown Records, the most celebrated music label in american lore....before his career was sabotaged..

I guarantee if Michael was shelling millions of bucks to LIZ, she would have been cool on him

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The Black Community lost a hero after the Victory Tour.

The J5/Jacksons were a symbol of family and unity. Although the song expressed the frustration that many older fans felt, it should not have been released. Laface records should have been more respectful to the J5/Jacksons history.

CANUHELPME said:

The Black Community lost a hero after the Victory Tour.

The J5/Jacksons were a symbol of family and unity. Although the song expressed the frustration that many older fans felt, it should not have been released. Laface records should have been more respectful to the J5/Jacksons history.

the black comunity and world community at large lost a hero

that unity was destroyed a quarter century ago

because the greatest entertainer on the planet morphed into becoming the "king of pop" which stunted the impact of the amazing message Michael presented in his music

the message was always consistent, I love the message to this day and will always love it, it was the manner in which Michael presented that message after reaching the pinnacle which became the detriment

for those who are now viewed as "haters" (which isn't true in the greatest context), nobody ever said he didn't deserve his success or that Michael's success was a byproduct of hype, that's what makes the situation more tragic

the truth of the manner is Jermaine and La Reid/Babyface was crying out to the man and plea w/him to stop trying to become somebody he wasnt...it was a cry out, not condemnation

because nobody else was in a position or given the platform to speak out..the establishment wouldn't allow it....

from 1987-1991, nothing was ever said about Michael's transformation because nobody was allowed to, especially the black community

what Jermaine said was already said among the people

and what was said in that record had already been said 4 years earlier when this tragedy began, it was being said in the neighborhoods, among families, on radio, on the playground and at the barbershops....the lyrics to that song were already being recited in the community but his current fanbase at that time and now was never made aware of it

what was said in that record, I had already heard in actual life beforehand.....

so if Jermaine is going to be attacked, then there's millions of people who need to be attacked too

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I'm sorry I posted in this thread, I know better. One of the reasons I stay away from the MJ thread.

Scorp said:

CANUHELPME said:

The Black Community lost a hero after the Victory Tour.

The J5/Jacksons were a symbol of family and unity. Although the song expressed the frustration that many older fans felt, it should not have been released. Laface records should have been more respectful to the J5/Jacksons history.

the black comunity and world community at large lost a hero

that unity was destroyed a quarter century ago

because the greatest entertainer on the planet morphed into becoming the "king of pop" which stunted the impact of the amazing message Michael presented in his music

the message was always consistent, I love the message to this day and will always love it, it was the manner in which Michael presented that message after reaching the pinnacle which became the detriment

for those who are now viewed as "haters" (which isn't true in the greatest context), nobody ever said he didn't deserve his success or that Michael's success was a byproduct of hype, that's what makes the situation more tragic

the truth of the manner is Jermaine and La Reid/Babyface was crying out to the man and plea w/him to stop trying to become somebody he wasnt...it was a cry out, not condemnation

because nobody else was in a position or given the platform to speak out..the establishment wouldn't allow it....

from 1987-1991, nothing was ever said about Michael's transformation because nobody was allowed to, especially the black community

what Jermaine said was already said among the people

and what was said in that record had already been said 4 years earlier when this tragedy began, it was being said in the neighborhoods, among families, on radio, on the playground and at the barbershops....the lyrics to that song were already being recited in the community but his current fanbase at that time and now was never made aware of it

what was said in that record, I had already heard in actual life beforehand.....

so if Jermaine is going to be attacked, then there's millions of people who need to be attacked too

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The problem is that a lot in the black community REFUSED to believe Michael when he told Oprah that he had a "skin condition"(vitiligo) that turned him white. I remember the next day on the radio and in other places around my community, there were people who dismissed what he said. Although, all you had to do was to see that NO AMOUNT OF BLEACH COULD TURN YOU AS WHITE AS MICHAEL TURNED. Even after Michael died and the autopsy showed that he did have vitiligo, you have people who don't WANT to believe it.

As far as talking about the black community lost a a "hero", that is not Michael's fault, that is OUR fault. SOME (I say some because I am not in that "some") of us were so caught up in Michael's appearance and the "whiteness" of his skin, that we forgot to look at the MAN-his heart, his soul, his actions, his work,etc. Michael NEVER turned his back on the black community. The black community turned its back on Michael. NO ONE ELSE IN HISTORY did the things that Michael did. Michael was the FIRST artist to insist that his videos be premeried on BET simulataneously with MTV. Michael refused to allow MTV the exclusive rigths to his videos unless BET was allowed that same right. Michael ALWAYS did interviews with BLACK publications FIRST before he did with any other magazines. IF you saw Michael's photo on other magazines, Michael didn't do an interview with those magazines. Michael REFUSED to do an interview with Rolling Stone because of what the editor had said about black artists. Rolling Stone later BEGGED MIchael to do an interview with them and even offered Michael two CONSECUTIVE covers if he would only do an interview. Michael refused. This is one of the main reasons that Rolling Stone started their "negativity" toward him. Michael never compromised his music, his beliefs, his morals, his career for anyone. There is not a single other artist ANYWHERE who would do what Michael did. ALL of these artists, now and then, went to every magazine and TV shows to promote their latest release. Michael didn't do that.

Michael went to BLACK AWARD shows when other major BLACK artists wouldn't even show up.

Michael always made sure that he was surrounded by black people in his work environment. In every single video , Michael used BLACK WOMEN. Never did he use a white woman, other than his WIFE, Lisa Marie. Michael bought Little Richard's entire catalogue and GAVE IT BACK TO HIM FREE!! Therefore, all of this weak-ass shit talking about the black community lost a hero, and that Michael turned his back on the black comminity,ect. I say FUCKING BULLSHIT! The black community turned their backs on Michael. After Michael died, that same community claimed him again. WTF, why did it take his dying to realize that Michael NEVER LEFT THE BLACK COMMUNITY. SOME of us were just to damn busy worrying about his LOOKS, instead of seeing what he was ReALLY about and that includes his MFing family.

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Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

the black comunity and world community at large lost a hero

that unity was destroyed a quarter century ago

because the greatest entertainer on the planet morphed into becoming the "king of pop" which stunted the impact of the amazing message Michael presented in his music

the message was always consistent, I love the message to this day and will always love it, it was the manner in which Michael presented that message after reaching the pinnacle which became the detriment

for those who are now viewed as "haters" (which isn't true in the greatest context), nobody ever said he didn't deserve his success or that Michael's success was a byproduct of hype, that's what makes the situation more tragic

the truth of the manner is Jermaine and La Reid/Babyface was crying out to the man and plea w/him to stop trying to become somebody he wasnt...it was a cry out, not condemnation

because nobody else was in a position or given the platform to speak out..the establishment wouldn't allow it....

from 1987-1991, nothing was ever said about Michael's transformation because nobody was allowed to, especially the black community

what Jermaine said was already said among the people

and what was said in that record had already been said 4 years earlier when this tragedy began, it was being said in the neighborhoods, among families, on radio, on the playground and at the barbershops....the lyrics to that song were already being recited in the community but his current fanbase at that time and now was never made aware of it

what was said in that record, I had already heard in actual life beforehand.....

so if Jermaine is going to be attacked, then there's millions of people who need to be attacked too

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The problem is that a lot in the black community REFUSED to believe Michael when he told Oprah that he had a "skin condition"(vitiligo) that turned him white. I remember the next day on the radio and in other places around my community, there were people who dismissed what he said. Although, all you had to do was to see that NO AMOUNT OF BLEACH COULD TURN YOU AS WHITE AS MICHAEL TURNED. Even after Michael died and the autopsy showed that he did have vitiligo, you have people who don't WANT to believe it.

As far as talking about the black community lost a a "hero", that is not Michael's fault, that is OUR fault. SOME (I say some because I am not in that "some") of us were so caught up in Michael's appearance and the "whiteness" of his skin, that we forgot to look at the MAN-his heart, his soul, his actions, his work,etc. Michael NEVER turned his back on the black community. The black community turned its back on Michael. NO ONE ELSE IN HISTORY did the things that Michael did. Michael was the FIRST artist to insist that his videos be premeried on BET simulataneously with MTV. Michael refused to allow MTV the exclusive rigths to his videos unless BET was allowed that same right. Michael ALWAYS did interviews with BLACK publications FIRST before he did with any other magazines. IF you saw Michael's photo on other magazines, Michael didn't do an interview with those magazines. Michael REFUSED to do an interview with Rolling Stone because of what the editor had said about black artists. Rolling Stone later BEGGED MIchael to do an interview with them and even offered Michael two CONSECUTIVE covers if he would only do an interview. Michael refused. This is one of the main reasons that Rolling Stone started their "negativity" toward him. Michael never compromised his music, his beliefs, his morals, his career for anyone. There is not a single other artist ANYWHERE who would do what Michael did. ALL of these artists, now and then, went to every magazine and TV shows to promote their latest release. Michael didn't do that.

Michael went to BLACK AWARD shows when other major BLACK artists wouldn't even show up.

Michael always made sure that he was surrounded by black people in his work environment. In every single video , Michael used BLACK WOMEN. Never did he use a white woman, other than his WIFE, Lisa Marie. Michael bought Little Richard's entire catalogue and GAVE IT BACK TO HIM FREE!! Therefore, all of this weak-ass shit talking about the black community lost a hero, and that Michael turned his back on the black comminity,ect. I say FUCKING BULLSHIT! The black community turned their backs on Michael. After Michael died, that same community claimed him again. WTF, why did it take his dying to realize that Michael NEVER LEFT THE BLACK COMMUNITY. SOME of us were just to damn busy worrying about his LOOKS, instead of seeing what he was ReALLY about and that includes his MFing family.

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150% bogus....all around bogus......

and this is why this situation is so sorry and so damaging.......

the fact of the matter is this.......

if it wasn't for black people supporting Michael Jackson, supporting The Jackson Five from day one, he never would have got off the ground

the fact of the matter is, black folks bought I WANT YOU BACK, ABC, THE LOVE YOU SAVE, I'LL BE THERE when J5 debuted on the scene in 1969....

we are the ones who bought that JACKSON FIVE CHRISTMAS ALBUM after the 70s hit

black folks are the primary support who bought GOT TO BE THERE in 1972, who bought DANGING MACHINE in 1974, who supported that DESTINY in 1978, TRIUMPH in 1980

we are the primary support who went to support THE WIZ in 1978

so don't give me that crap about black folk turning their back from Michael

see, if things had evolved naturally, we wouldn't have to sit here and prove who bought what first or who was perceived to turn their backs.....all of this crap never had to happen

the fact of the matter is this, every time MIKE faced legal hurdles w/the 1993 and 2003 allegations, who's support did he seek before anyone elses....he sought the support of black folks

you ain't talking to somebody who don't know, and I refuse to be snowed about this situation

it's ugly as it gets........

black people represented 85-90 % of his support from 1969-1984, even during the age of THRILLER when that album sold 25 million copies in America alone during it's initial run from 1982 thru the summer of 1984, because when the album was released, that album received support from R&B radio way before Pop Radio gave it a thought

even a "pop" oriented song such as THE GIRL IS MINE, the albums first release received its initial support from black radio as it reached #1 on the r&b charts and then Pop radio followed

same with Billie Jean, that record was already #1 on the r&b charts for TWO MONTHS before he performed that song on MOTOWN 25, and only then did pop radio start playing it

because r&b distinction carries more weight than pop distinction because pop is not a certifiable form of music, POP is not music but a distinction based on how the establishment views you

black people provided the initial support, then white america, then those following international countries in that order.....don't feed that to me because I've been studying and reading about the evolution of the music industry for the majority of my life.......

black folk was the base of his appeal...period...so we aint never turned our backs on him......he turned his back on himself and self destructed in the process after reaching the pinnacle

in regards to using black woman vs white women in his videos.......that's partly correct aesthetically.....but that's not true in totality....in the billie jean video, he featured the faces of two white woman featured on that billboard while he was dancing alongside that sidewalk...

Michael Jackson was groomed from day one to become the greatest star in the world, but conditioned in a way that would brew self conflict as he reached adulthood

because he relied on black authenticity (song, style, dance, interpretation, culture) to shape his talent, to reach the top, but sought approval from the establishment to validate it and this is where the subject of color and his physical transformation comes into

I'm not going to even get into the awards shows, I could break that down too...I'll leave that one alone.....

but as far as his appearance, he did that by choice and he told you he did it by choice during that same Oprah Winfrey interview that you brought up.....he literally made a declaration that he embraced the concept of racial indifference to attain the pop mantle, because the pop ascension movement of the late 80s totally phased out general black cultural expression as all of the real r&b artists that really crafted this music that's being sampled today as we speak, those people were pushed out altogether, and because of that, the quality of music has been declining since...REAL MUSIC,

when asked about his skin color, he gave that explanation (which I knew he was going to say 20 seconds before he did) but IMMEDIATELY followed that up by saying "why is that important, that's not important to me, the very definition of INDIFFERENCE....

and the very next morning, no sooner than the sun rose, his sisters called in to a live syndicated radio show and said point blank there was nobody in their family, on their mother's side or fathers' side who had that disease as he claimed....everything is blamed on Joseph just Michael said his father had blue eyes during that Bashir Documentary to prove that really did father that youngest kid, when he's not the biological father of either of those 3 kids, which is an insult within itself...

and that AUTOPSY that his current fan following love to hinge on, one that was never officially issued by a coroner, is full of inconsistencies that run contrasts to what his fans have suggested about the state of his health leading up to those 02 concerts (that was never going to see the late of day either)......

you ain't talkin to somebody who don't know, because it's all spiritual, I never have viewed this situation from the physical realm......

there is no enemy, for the real enemy is the lie itself,

I do not beleive Michael molested children....I've never believed that for one second, but he got set up twice because he was trying to be somebody he wasn't

but everything else he has projected to the public as truth is false and that's why he lost the support of so many people who use to wait w/eager anticipation to buy his music, and it wasn't just black folks in mass who stopped buying his records, but sensible thinking white people, the latino community as well.....

and that's why he went from selling 25 million copies of THRILLER in america to selling 6-8 million copies of BAD in contrast...a 20 million decline in sales.....20 million people aint no fool, they know what's up

what could have been one of our greatest stories alive that could have played out way longer than it did has turned into a downright tragedy.......

the lies will not hold up much longer.....

the lies have totally divided people

it used to be fruitful and multiply, not any more

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