smoothcriminal12 said:

Lol @ people making huge assumptions about the history behind this song and how it was necessary for Jermaine to make it. No one knows the family situation, so let's just leave it and focus on how good this song is.

Agreed.

This song is actually better than I expected.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats why I was angry at Janet with those interviews after Michael passed. If they claim to be so close to Michael why are they unaware of SIMPLE things family should ALREADY know?

Thats no excuse... Jermaine should have known that and to be honest I think he did know he just mentioned that in the song to futher tarnish Michaels public image, FUCK HIM

Stop going on about this. What she said about Michael was true.

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No It wasnt and its only true to you because you dont like Michael and I dont even know why you bother to talk about anythig MJ related when its clear you dont like him and your responses are biased.

kibbles said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea I would distance myself from leeches to... greedy bastards. Michael didnt forget nothing. He spent his entire life paying for the family... thats bullshit

i always that it was low to release that song, and when i found out the real deal with jermaine, i thought it was even lower than low.

at the time this song was released, jermaine was laying up at hayvenhurst with his mistress and their kids. mj was paying for every mortgage, every light bill, every food bill, and i'm sure, every hospital bill or insurance for jermaine and his family, yet jermaine had the nerve to treat him like this? and even AFTER he did this, mj continued to pay for jermaine and his next mistress, randy's ex and their kids, and all the while he had been paying for that woman and her children with randy at the same time he was paying for jermaine's? i doubt there is one person this board who would have done that, who would have put up with that. i would have put jermaine's black ass O-U-T out the day that record was released, and i know most people would have done the same.

i don't understand how people can know this, and still say that mj turned his back on his family or the black community. after his death, earl ofari hutchinson wrote a piece in the huffington post about how mj had continued to support a BLACK organization here in l.a., quietly and at a time when everyone thought he was on his last legs and was broke. he may have not had as much money to dole out at the end of his life, but what he had, he shared. fuck jermaine. what goes around comes around. now the brother he took advantage of is dead, and jermaine is shut out of the will. mj had the final 'word to the badd', didn't he?

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Agree

People are just going to think what they want to think regardless of facts or information and their not even worth going back and forth with honestly...

mjscarousal said:

kibbles said:

i always that it was low to release that song, and when i found out the real deal with jermaine, i thought it was even lower than low.

at the time this song was released, jermaine was laying up at hayvenhurst with his mistress and their kids. mj was paying for every mortgage, every light bill, every food bill, and i'm sure, every hospital bill or insurance for jermaine and his family, yet jermaine had the nerve to treat him like this? and even AFTER he did this, mj continued to pay for jermaine and his next mistress, randy's ex and their kids, and all the while he had been paying for that woman and her children with randy at the same time he was paying for jermaine's? i doubt there is one person this board who would have done that, who would have put up with that. i would have put jermaine's black ass O-U-T out the day that record was released, and i know most people would have done the same.

i don't understand how people can know this, and still say that mj turned his back on his family or the black community. after his death, earl ofari hutchinson wrote a piece in the huffington post about how mj had continued to support a BLACK organization here in l.a., quietly and at a time when everyone thought he was on his last legs and was broke. he may have not had as much money to dole out at the end of his life, but what he had, he shared. fuck jermaine. what goes around comes around. now the brother he took advantage of is dead, and jermaine is shut out of the will. mj had the final 'word to the badd', didn't he?

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Agree

People are just going to think what they want to think regardless of facts or information and their not even worth going back and forth with honestly...

yeah, the person who posted it was trolling, and while i do agree on balance it isn't worth it to engage them, sometimes i think turning the other cheek does a disservice b/c the lie is allowed to stand, you know?

i think that's where mj went wrong sometimes; too much cheek turning and not enough ass kicking. as i said, if jermaine had pulled this shit on me, the sun wouldn't have set one more day at hayvenhurst without him being out on his ass.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Stop going on about this. What she said about Michael was true.

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No It wasnt and its only true to you because you dont like Michael and I dont even know why you bother to talk about anythig MJ related when its clear you dont like him and your responses are biased.

Whether I like Michael or not (which I do) has nothing to do with this.

I already commented in the other thread. There are many factors which highly suggest what Janet said was true.

kibbles said:

mjscarousal said:

Agree

People are just going to think what they want to think regardless of facts or information and their not even worth going back and forth with honestly...

yeah, the person who posted it was trolling, and while i do agree on balance it isn't worth it to engage them, sometimes i think turning the other cheek does a disservice b/c the lie is allowed to stand, you know?

i think that's where mj went wrong sometimes; too much cheek turning and not enough ass kicking. as i said, if jermaine had pulled this shit on me, the sun wouldn't have set one more day at hayvenhurst without him being out on his ass.

I meant on this site.

I tend to argue alot with people when it comes to MJ here and its pointless because even when the facts are there they still will believe what they want, but your right. Its never okay to stand still when you know something that is said isnt true but in this case, on this site, I think people here are just interested in hearing theirself talk regardless if its true or not.

Michael was way to passive with things he should have been more out spoken about. Alot of the things his family did to him I wouldnt have NOTHING to do with them.

Some folks are funny as hell when they talk about the Jackson family being greedy and leeching off of Michael, etc.

Did the Jackson family put MJ $400 million in the hole?

Did the Jackson family file lawsuits against MJ? Everybody and their momma sued MJ, not one document exist of a family member suing MJ, if I'm wrong please show me the document. Not even Joesph's ghetto ass sued MJ.

Did the Jackson family encourage MJ to have strangers sleep over at the house, even after he was accused of lewd conduct the first time? Did the Jackson family know the Chandlers or the Arvios?

Yeah, MJ had leeches surrounding him up until his death, the Jacksons were on the outside looking in, and when their brother was in trouble about anything, they were there for him. Everyday at his courtdates there were various members of the family with him. Had it not been for the family, MJ's ass would've ended up in jail. It was Randy who brought in Tom Mesereau, MJ had that other Hollywood attorney that would've sold him up the river.

thatruth said:

Some folks are funny as hell when they talk about the Jackson family being greedy and leeching off of Michael, etc.

Did the Jackson family put MJ $400 million in the hole?

Did the Jackson family file lawsuits against MJ? Everybody and their momma sued MJ, not one document exist of a family member suing MJ, if I'm wrong please show me the document. Not even Joesph's ghetto ass sued MJ.

Did the Jackson family encourage MJ to have strangers sleep over at the house, even after he was accused of lewd conduct the first time? Did the Jackson family know the Chandlers or the Arvios?

Yeah, MJ had leeches surrounding him up until his death, the Jacksons were on the outside looking in, and when their brother was in trouble about anything, they were there for him. Everyday at his courtdates there were various members of the family with him. Had it not been for the family, MJ's ass would've ended up in jail. It was Randy who brought in Tom Mesereau, MJ had that other Hollywood attorney that would've sold him up the river.

u deserve a standing ovation........

commercial media and so many people want to beat around the bush because they are afraid of the truth

I witnessed this entire situation when it actually went down in 1991.....I had just turned 20 years old...

what so many want to gloss over was the fact as early as 1987, Michael began surrounding himself w/sycopants even then, slimeballs who told him he should seperate himself with the family, which he started to do, and from 1987-1989, he spoke to his family "by phone" a grand total of 8 times...8 times in 2 years, that means he spoke to him once every year during that period of time......

and therefore, if that was the case, that is what Jermaine to release the song, and if he felt the way he did, that means the rest of the family did too

and that's what's so sad about this, what his current fans think they know they dont and what they do know doesn't count because they've been manipulated by the "king of pop" and they can't see it

now when he was bringing it from 1969-1985, he was as good as it got, but the moment he released BAD, it was all over, it was just a matter as to when

I bet the majority of his current fans never seen this interview Jermaine did w/Bryant Gumbel on NBC TODAY SHOW......

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

and I know they never seen this clip either, how people were reacting to him the moments after BAD was released in 1987

they've never even seen it, and there was already negative response to image he brought forth to the public when he released that album

http://www.youtube.com/wa...plpp_video

and what's crazy, 20 years later, when Jermaine released his book, he is trying to cover up the reality of the situation to protect the truth, to protect Michael's legacy, to protect his name for the very fans who disdain him and the rest of the family and MJ fans can't even see it.......

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thatruth said:

Some folks are funny as hell when they talk about the Jackson family being greedy and leeching off of Michael, etc.

Did the Jackson family put MJ $400 million in the hole?

Did the Jackson family file lawsuits against MJ? Everybody and their momma sued MJ, not one document exist of a family member suing MJ, if I'm wrong please show me the document. Not even Joesph's ghetto ass sued MJ.

Did the Jackson family encourage MJ to have strangers sleep over at the house, even after he was accused of lewd conduct the first time? Did the Jackson family know the Chandlers or the Arvios?

Yeah, MJ had leeches surrounding him up until his death, the Jacksons were on the outside looking in, and when their brother was in trouble about anything, they were there for him. Everyday at his courtdates there were various members of the family with him. Had it not been for the family, MJ's ass would've ended up in jail. It was Randy who brought in Tom Mesereau, MJ had that other Hollywood attorney that would've sold him up the river.

Jackie started the Wacko Jacko BS.

Randy was responsible for the kids sleeping in MJ's bed..

Marlon forced MJ to change his appearance.

Jermaine hired Conrad Murray.

Tito informed MJ on stage that the brothers would not perform with him anymore.

Well, he did come to his senses because he did change the lyrics before it was released on the You Said album- which is a pretty good album- his first and last on LaFace.

Analyst said:

I have no issue with the lyrical content of the song whatsoever...my whole thing is, if he had all those things to say to him why didn't he just do it privately instead of releasing a song about it to the entire free world.

But that's all water under the bridge now and Jermaine was there and had his back at the trial just like the rest of his family did. Whose to say that if he could re-do things, he'd even release that song today. Everybody fucks up.

Jermaine recorded the song and realized it's something he should not have done

although there could have been some truth to the song, he never meant for

that version to be released that's why you had the album version with different

lyrics but you know the powers that be had to leak the song to generate a buzz.

Hey, Jermaine also did this song ...

how was he suppose to talk to mj in private when he wouldnt see or talk to his family? the part about him changing his shade is clear that the family found out about his vitiligo the same time the rest of us did, on that oprah interview. mj stans always act like the family didnt give a shit about him and left him all alone when it was mj who shut them out and cut off communication. and once again janet did not act like her and mike was so close as adults, she said many times they went at least 2 years without even talking. i remember oprah asked her 'dont yall have phones', janet said she reached out to him but her calls were never returned, at some point you gonna say fuck it.when he got in trouble the family was welcomed back in, he even had randy working for him. when it was over they was cut back off.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Hey, Jermaine also did this song ...

Awesome song

it's ironic the music and arrangement for this song sounds very similar to the song Michael did 14 years later with CHILDHOOD....

funny how "history" repeats itself........

Jermaine loved that guy

mjscarousal said:

cbarnes3121 said:

this was a song that needed 2 b done michael distanced himself from his family and just totally shut them down cuz he thought he was the big bad superstar then when all the charges came who was there michael?? your family they was in court on days michael wasnt even there.michael acted as if he hated being black til white america turned on him he even went out and bought some white kids

Yea I would distance myself from leeches to... greedy bastards. Michael didnt forget nothing. He spent his entire life paying for the family... thats bullshit

personally i always thought that this song was just jermaine showing his bullshit, jealous side. he was jealous of michael's success. jermaine aint about shit. he's just made that michael actually had more talent than him and he had to show his ass because of it.

phunkdaddy said:

Analyst said:

I have no issue with the lyrical content of the song whatsoever...my whole thing is, if he had all those things to say to him why didn't he just do it privately instead of releasing a song about it to the entire free world.

But that's all water under the bridge now and Jermaine was there and had his back at the trial just like the rest of his family did. Whose to say that if he could re-do things, he'd even release that song today. Everybody fucks up.

Jermaine recorded the song and realized it's something he should not have done

although there could have been some truth to the song, he never meant for

that version to be released that's why you had the album version with different

lyrics but you know the powers that be had to leak the song to generate a buzz.

the record executives at LaFace Records knew that controversy sells records,so I'm not surprised that the "wrong" version leaked.They did that shit on purpose unfortunately for them,Jermaine's album flopped anyway.

This is how I want to remember Michael with his brothers...

Beautiful.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

This is how I want to remember Michael with his brothers...

Beautiful.

Just call my naaaaAaaaaaAaaaaammmmeee

and I'll Be TheeeEeeeeerrrrreeeeeeee

Scorp said:

musicology54 said:

Just look over your shoulders honey! Ohhhhh! Scorp said:

Just call my naaaaAaaaaaAaaaaammmmeee

and I'll Be TheeeEeeeeerrrrreeeeeeee

You and I must maaaaake a pact

We must bring salvaaaatioonn back

Where there is Looooooooove

I'll be TheeeeeEeeeeeerrreeeeeeeee

SoulAlive said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

This is how I want to remember Michael with his brothers...

Beautiful.

Watched this the other day and brought me to tears

fantasticjoy said:

SoulAlive said:

Jermaine was definitely referring to Michael's skin color.I can't believe that he didn't know that his brother had vitilgio.

Jermaine knew the truth. Michael's vitiligo came in a tube.

amon...yup yup....

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CANUHELPME said:

thatruth said:

Some folks are funny as hell when they talk about the Jackson family being greedy and leeching off of Michael, etc.

Did the Jackson family put MJ $400 million in the hole?

Did the Jackson family file lawsuits against MJ? Everybody and their momma sued MJ, not one document exist of a family member suing MJ, if I'm wrong please show me the document. Not even Joesph's ghetto ass sued MJ.

Did the Jackson family encourage MJ to have strangers sleep over at the house, even after he was accused of lewd conduct the first time? Did the Jackson family know the Chandlers or the Arvios?

Yeah, MJ had leeches surrounding him up until his death, the Jacksons were on the outside looking in, and when their brother was in trouble about anything, they were there for him. Everyday at his courtdates there were various members of the family with him. Had it not been for the family, MJ's ass would've ended up in jail. It was Randy who brought in Tom Mesereau, MJ had that other Hollywood attorney that would've sold him up the river.

Jackie started the Wacko Jacko BS.

Randy was responsible for the kids sleeping in MJ's bed..

Marlon forced MJ to change his appearance.

Jermaine hired Conrad Murray.

Tito informed MJ on stage that the brothers would not perform with him anymore.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Hey, Jermaine also did this song ...

Very nice! Really like the song and the fanmade video

fantasticjoy said:

SoulAlive said:

Jermaine was definitely referring to Michael's skin color.I can't believe that he didn't know that his brother had vitilgio.

Jermaine knew the truth. Michael's vitiligo came in a tube.

When Michael died,didn't the autopsy confirm that he did,in fact,have vitiligo?

I was shocked when BabyFace revealed that he produced this song. Also that Jermaine was pissy because MJ tried to steal him as a producer from Jermaine right behind poor Jermaine's back. When it was Jermaine's idea to use him in the first place.. I'm glad Janet Michael's equally talented sister didn't go through with that " follow up to "Control"Tell all album. That was going to throw "The Family" under the bus...She would have lived to regret it just like poor jermaine is now...

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I was shocked when BabyFace revealed that he produced this song. Also that Jermaine was pissy because MJ tried to still him as a producer from Jermaine right behind poor Jermaine's back. When it was Jermaine's idea to use him in the first place. Michael was devilish. I'm glad Janet Michael's equally talented sister didn't go through with that " follow up to "Control"Tell all album. That was going to throw "The Family" under the bus...She would have lived to regret it just like poor jermaine is now...

SoulAlive said:

fantasticjoy said:

SoulAlive said: Jermaine knew the truth. Michael's vitiligo came in a tube.

When Michael died,didn't the autopsy confirm that he did,in fact,have vitiligo?

Yes it did. People want to believe that MJ bleached his skin, but he didn't. Well he did, but only to match the rest of his skin with the vitiligo, when more of his skin lost pigment than had pigment. MJ said countless times that he was proud to be black. Cicely Tyson said that MJ started to wear the one glove to hide the vitiligo. I remember after the Oprah interview, that one of his brothers (I believe Jackie) said that he was glad the MJ finally came forward with the reason for his skin color change. But I guess people want to believe whatever they want to believe regardless of facts.