lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

People will give them a chance if the ones promoted as R&B stopped being rhythm and bullshit... same goes to you Mariah.

its not even promotion, i mean is she serious with this TALK , did she not hear the garbage she just released, and has released the last decade plus? Dont talk about real RB singers and then do a new single with Fat Fuck Rick Ross and Meek Mill who'll be another forgotten rapper in about a month, come on Mariah, you dont give a shit about RB singers, let me hear you talk about Rashaan Patterson, Van Hunt etc...and take them on tour as opening acts, not Busta Ryhmes, save the BS for no talent husband.

Very Well Said

This goes back to what Ive said time and time again... these celebrities do not give a fuck they are only going to say what people want them to say.... they all bullshit for money.

There is no way in hell Mariah has the right to honestly talk about R&B with a straight face when she has released and worked with garbage herself over the last decade and got the nerve to talk about R&B and real R&B singers....

Want to give them a chance Mariah?

Why not making Mint Condition, Janelle Monae or Patterson your opening acts

vainandy said:

Fuck a damn R&B singer or any other type singer needing a chance in the industry. Since the 1990s, that's all the focus has been on, this singer here or that singer there. Hell, there's even several reality show/competition shows like "American Idiot" constantly looking for some boring ass singer. A singer ain't worth a damn without good music behind them no matter how good their voice is.

What needs a chance in the industry is R&B bands. And I'm not talking about no neo stool or jazz influenced stuff, I'm talking about R&B bands that are hard, funky, and get off.

AGREE!!!!

errant said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

You obviously ain't been on the radio much.

R&B ain't been hot in a minute.

hey, it's not my fault r&b whored itself out as house music

The R&B stuff today that's considered dance music is far from house music. Hell, if it was house, I'd love it. It's more like trance which was a whitened watered down version of house that was going on in the mid to late 1990s. In the black gay clubs was house which was like a modern day reincarnation of disco that still kept it's uptempo rhythm and danceabiliity. In the white gay clubs, it evolved into acid and trance which still had a danceable feel, but it wasn't a rhythmic funky ass shaking feel to it like house was. It was danceable if you were the type that liked to hop around like a rabbit on a pogo stick on speed which is what a lot of folks in the white gay clubs looked like they were doing during that era. Black artists just seemed to bring it's elements into shit hop in recent years but it has been a white version of house since the mid 1990s. I haven't kept up with a lot of the new music in the 2000s but I think I first started noticing black artists making songs like this after Lady Goo Goo Ga Ga or whatever the hell her name is, hit it big.

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vainandy said:

errant said:

hey, it's not my fault r&b whored itself out as house music

The R&B stuff today that's considered dance music is far from house music.

yes, I know. I was using short hand. I didn't feel the need to write a paragraph to make the point.

errant said:

vainandy said:

The R&B stuff today that's considered dance music is far from house music.

yes, I know. I was using short hand. I didn't feel the need to write a paragraph to make the point.

errant said:

vainandy said:

The R&B stuff today that's considered dance music is far from house music.

yes, I know. I was using short hand. I didn't feel the need to write a paragraph to make the point.

Well, sometimes you have to write a paragraph or paragraphs to get a point across up in here. There's some folks up in here that actually think that shit hop is a talented genre so sometimes you just have to break it on down since there are some that ain't too bright up in here.

Yea but Mim's that single you just released is trash. You would be one of the ones to usher back substantive R&B and teach these kids but you need to come harder. Because that crap I just heard with Rick Ross and what's-his-face ain't cuttin it.

the audacity........the nerve

vainandy said:

errant said:

hey, it's not my fault r&b whored itself out as house music

The R&B stuff today that's considered dance music is far from house music. Hell, if it was house, I'd love it. It's more like trance which was a whitened watered down version of house that was going on in the mid to late 1990s. In the black gay clubs was house which was like a modern day reincarnation of disco that still kept it's uptempo rhythm and danceabiliity. In the white gay clubs, it evolved into acid and trance which still had a danceable feel, but it wasn't a rhythmic funky ass shaking feel to it like house was. It was danceable if you were the type that liked to hop around like a rabbit on a pogo stick on speed which is what a lot of folks in the white gay clubs looked like they were doing during that era. Black artists just seemed to bring it's elements into shit hop in recent years but it has been a white version of house since the mid 1990s. I haven't kept up with a lot of the new music in the 2000s but I think I first started noticing black artists making songs like this after Lady Goo Goo Ga Ga or whatever the hell her name is, hit it big.

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For me trance is also house, house music has a lot of different styles. But you're right, those songs today have nothing to do with house or even trance. they took some elements from the late 90's trance music, but on a very cheap way with no soul at all.

This is by, this is for me real trance, early 90's....

vainandy said:

Fuck a damn R&B singer or any other type singer needing a chance in the industry. Since the 1990s, that's all the focus has been on, this singer here or that singer there. Hell, there's even several reality show/competition shows like "American Idiot" constantly looking for some boring ass singer. A singer ain't worth a damn without good music behind them no matter how good their voice is.

What needs a chance in the industry is R&B bands. And I'm not talking about no neo stool or jazz influenced stuff, I'm talking about R&B bands that are hard, funky, and get off.

YES. I've been saying this FOREVER. I'm tired of seeing fantastic singers hindered by EuroCrap or that Retro-Synth Crap. Put some real music in there and see what happens. *magic*

R&B needs to give up its dependence on rappers.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

R&B needs to give up its dependence on rappers.

Rap might also improve without that pressure to blend.

Cinny said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

R&B needs to give up its dependence on rappers.

Rap might also improve without that pressure to blend.

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Cinny said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

R&B needs to give up its dependence on rappers.

Rap might also improve without that pressure to blend.

Bravo I agree with both of these statements. That's a divorce that's long overdue.

Mariah was and always has been a conformist just like the majority of mainstream R&B and rap. The more it non-conforms to the idea that these two genres need to always be linked, the more both genres can be salvaged in the mainstream. Meanwhile there IS a rise of simply good R&B/rap music that don't always call on Lil Wayne or Rick Ross for a collabo. And it's not "neo-stool".

Edited because hip-hop is a style, not a genre.

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Timmy84 said:

Mariah was and always has been a conformist just like the majority of mainstream R&B and rap. The more it non-conforms to the idea that these two genres need to always be linked, the more both genres can be salvaged in the mainstream. Meanwhile there IS a rise of simply good R&B/rap music that don't always call on Lil Wayne or Rick Ross for a collabo. And it's not "neo-stool".

Edited because hip-hop is a style, not a genre.

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paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

Mariah was and always has been a conformist just like the majority of mainstream R&B and rap. The more it non-conforms to the idea that these two genres need to always be linked, the more both genres can be salvaged in the mainstream. Meanwhile there IS a rise of simply good R&B/rap music that don't always call on Lil Wayne or Rick Ross for a collabo. And it's not "neo-stool".

Edited because hip-hop is a style, not a genre.

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[img:$uid]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57525/southpark/images/e/eb/Kid_goth.png[/img:$uid] She is a conformist cheerleader

Yep.

Harlepolis said:

Actually, what she said is on point nip/tucking and picking holes in her argument for the hell of it, aside.

Yeah. Even if you don't like Mariah's recent output (I definitely don't), you have to admit that r&b is damn near missing now and what does come out, isn't at the quality level of the stuff from even the NINETIES.

I've been missing good r&b for years now and just waiting and hoping the tide turns. So even though sometimes she says stupid things, she has a point with this.

JoeyC said:

Timmy84 said:

Remember this woman actually said she was still 12 mentally.

That's disturbing.

She actually said that?? Or are you making fun?

I see many, and I agree, complaining about the electronic unhappy adventures of current rnb. And this issue is really linked to what Mariah said in the first part of the interview. She said that rnb, and the genres itselves in extension, should have LESS the need to crossover to mainstream pop. That rnb could be a great popular success on its own. With it's public. And not crossover. She's right. And it is this very need to crossover that's bringing things like this unhappy electronic adventures to rnb. If you think of James Brown or Jackie Wilson, many years ago, they were great popular successes within the RNB charts, but rarely crossed over. Still they were popular in their days, got a great reputation critically and were very successfull within their public.

And another thing, Mariah is talking about chances to new talents, isn't she going to be a judge in American Idol? So...

BrazilianOnRaspberryBeret said:

JoeyC said:

That's disturbing.

She actually said that?? Or are you making fun?

Nah she said that shit. Believe me I can't even make that shit up...

BrazilianOnRaspberryBeret said:

I see many, and I agree, complaining about the electronic unhappy adventures of current rnb. And this issue is really linked to what Mariah said in the first part of the interview. She said that rnb, and the genres itselves in extension, should have LESS the need to crossover to mainstream pop. That rnb could be a great popular success on its own. With it's public. And not crossover. She's right. And it is this very need to crossover that's bringing things like this unhappy electronic adventures to rnb. If you think of James Brown or Jackie Wilson, many years ago, they were great popular successes within the RNB charts, but rarely crossed over. Still they were popular in their days, got a great reputation critically and were very successfull within their public.

And another thing, Mariah is talking about chances to new talents, isn't she going to be a judge in American Idol? So...

Thing is she's a pop-R&B singer. Her own opinion about what she thinks is R&B differs from everyone else. James/Jackie DID cross over though (in one way or another). So again, she ain't really saying much.