Azz said:

kibbles said:

no, what's nonsense is your ridiculous defense of janet and her siblings over in the other thread. why aren't you over there anyway? is it b/c kat has pretty much AFFIRMED THEIR STORY WAS BULLSHIT!!!

i hope you're not defended latoya, are you? it isn't nonsense, it's truth. many in the media have been giving latoya big ups b/c she has stayed out of the mess her bros and sisters made, she can continue to go around pretending she was mj's "bestie" before his death even though she really couldn't give two shits about him, and her bros' tour was a spectacular failure. where did i go wrong? oh wait, it was accepting your troll bait!

i can't be mad at you, azz. you're amusing!

Because I've lost interest.

I don't care about any of the Jacksons now that Michael is dead, except Janet. And all I care about, truthly and deeply, is the music. That's why I was angry at the estate for the shambles surrounding 'Michael'. But Bad 25 will be interesting.

transparency? you could show saran wrap a thing or two!

kibbles said:

Azz said:

Because I've lost interest.

I don't care about any of the Jacksons now that Michael is dead, except Janet. And all I care about, truthly and deeply, is the music. That's why I was angry at the estate for the shambles surrounding 'Michael'. But Bad 25 will be interesting.

transparency? you could show saran wrap a thing or two!

Transparency? How so? I simply got bored as less info was fed to the media. And left it with Janet suing those fake tabloids that MJ fans' used as reliable sources/evidence.

As for why your post is nonsense. You are once again assuming, assuming that Latoya has had some agenda to be the only Jackson in the limelight, and somehow has achieved this now that she has a reality show on a new yet dying network. Both are false.

Atleast she is a part of music royalty which will go down in history. What are you a part of? Prince.org, a prince fan website, where comments are forgotten moments after they are written. Congratulations? How about it's time to ditch this self-righteous attitude and jump off our high-horses?

No but Latoya thinks she's a huge star, and find herself meeting Oprah somehow

Azz said:

kibbles said:

transparency? you could show saran wrap a thing or two!

Transparency? How so? I simply got bored as less info was fed to the media. And left it with Janet suing those fake tabloids that MJ fans' used as reliable sources/evidence.

As for why your post is nonsense. You are once again assuming, assuming that Latoya has had some agenda to be the only Jackson in the limelight, and somehow has achieved this now that she has a reality show on a new yet dying network. Both are false.

Atleast she is a part of music royalty which will go down in history. What are you a part of? Prince.org, a prince fan website, where comments are forgotten moments after they are written. Congratulations? How about it's time to ditch this self-righteous attitude and jump off our high-horses?

as the saying goes, "de nile" is not just a river in egypt.

you know as well as i do that latoya has been clawing and climbing to make a name for herself in showbiz all of her sorry-assed life. all of her brothers had major success, particularly mj. janet had major success and rebbie even managed a top ten hit. what has latoya had? nothing but a string of tabloid stunts to her name. there is nothing in my post that says that latoya wanted to be the only jackson in the limelight. but she has certainly wanted to be know as something other than the also-ran jackson, hasn't she? you can't deny that.

furthermore, i was simply marvelling at the changes that have taken place since she walked out of hayvenhurst, or are you in denial about that, too? in the great scheme of things, if anyone had told me that one day LATOYA FUCKING JACKSON would have her own show while mj would be dead, her brothers not even able to generate decent interest in a reunion tour considering how successful they were, and that janet would be without a label and involved in a dodgy scheme that even her own mother says was dodgy, you could have knocked me over with a feather. no wonder she walks around grinning like the cheshire cat. she probably never thought that would happen, either.

latoya is part of nothing. she's not music royalty, her brother mj was. she's a relative, and not really a close one. mj hadn't seen her in years before his death. so typical. can't argue the facts, so resort to name calling.

kibbles said:

Azz said:

Transparency? How so? I simply got bored as less info was fed to the media. And left it with Janet suing those fake tabloids that MJ fans' used as reliable sources/evidence.

As for why your post is nonsense. You are once again assuming, assuming that Latoya has had some agenda to be the only Jackson in the limelight, and somehow has achieved this now that she has a reality show on a new yet dying network. Both are false.

Atleast she is a part of music royalty which will go down in history. What are you a part of? Prince.org, a prince fan website, where comments are forgotten moments after they are written. Congratulations? How about it's time to ditch this self-righteous attitude and jump off our high-horses?

as the saying goes, "de nile" is not just a river in egypt.

you know as well as i do that latoya has been clawing and climbing to make a name for herself in showbiz all of her sorry-assed life. all of her brothers had major success, particularly mj. janet had major success and rebbie even managed a top ten hit. what has latoya had? nothing but a string of tabloid stunts to her name. there is nothing in my post that says that latoya wanted to be the only jackson in the limelight. but she has certainly wanted to be know as something other than the also-ran jackson, hasn't she? you can't deny that.

furthermore, i was simply marvelling at the changes that have taken place since she walked out of hayvenhurst, or are you in denial about that, too? in the great scheme of things, if anyone had told me that one day LATOYA FUCKING JACKSON would have her own show while mj would be dead, her brothers not even able to generate decent interest in a reunion tour considering how successful they were, and that janet would be without a label and involved in a dodgy scheme that even her own mother says was dodgy, you could have knocked me over with a feather. no wonder she walks around grinning like the cheshire cat. she probably never thought that would happen, either.

latoya is part of nothing. she's not music royalty, her brother mj was. she's a relative, and not really a close one. mj hadn't seen her in years before his death. so typical. can't argue the facts, so resort to name calling.

I think you are a better painter than Picasso.

Janet is without a label because she choses to be. You can't use 'being involved in a dodgy scheme' as evidence of success, or lack-of rather, I'm sure MJ fans are more than aware of this.

Latoya having her own reality TV show, is anything but a sign of success. The Jackson 4 had their own, not long ago. I'm pretty sure it was on a better network than OWN. And it aired in Europe.

ALL of the Jacksons are royalty. Not just Michael. The Jacksons/Jackson 5 launched Michael, and had numerous hits and worthy work. Not to mention, Janet, a legend in her own right.

Azz said:

kibbles said:

as the saying goes, "de nile" is not just a river in egypt.

you know as well as i do that latoya has been clawing and climbing to make a name for herself in showbiz all of her sorry-assed life. all of her brothers had major success, particularly mj. janet had major success and rebbie even managed a top ten hit. what has latoya had? nothing but a string of tabloid stunts to her name. there is nothing in my post that says that latoya wanted to be the only jackson in the limelight. but she has certainly wanted to be know as something other than the also-ran jackson, hasn't she? you can't deny that.

furthermore, i was simply marvelling at the changes that have taken place since she walked out of hayvenhurst, or are you in denial about that, too? in the great scheme of things, if anyone had told me that one day LATOYA FUCKING JACKSON would have her own show while mj would be dead, her brothers not even able to generate decent interest in a reunion tour considering how successful they were, and that janet would be without a label and involved in a dodgy scheme that even her own mother says was dodgy, you could have knocked me over with a feather. no wonder she walks around grinning like the cheshire cat. she probably never thought that would happen, either.

latoya is part of nothing. she's not music royalty, her brother mj was. she's a relative, and not really a close one. mj hadn't seen her in years before his death. so typical. can't argue the facts, so resort to name calling.

I think you are a better painter than Picasso.

Janet is without a label because she choses to be. You can't use 'being involved in a dodgy scheme' as evidence of success, or lack-of rather, I'm sure MJ fans are more than aware of this.

Latoya having her own reality TV show, is anything but a sign of success. The Jackson 4 had their own, not long ago. I'm pretty sure it was on a better network than OWN. And it aired in Europe.

ALL of the Jacksons are royalty. Not just Michael. The Jacksons/Jackson 5 launched Michael, and had numerous hits and worthy work. Not to mention, Janet, a legend in her own right.

yes, i'm sure she choses to be without a label seeing as her last album, number ones for a&m barely managed 500K.

no, all the jacksons are not royalty. just no.

kibbles said:

Azz said:

I think you are a better painter than Picasso.

Janet is without a label because she choses to be. You can't use 'being involved in a dodgy scheme' as evidence of success, or lack-of rather, I'm sure MJ fans are more than aware of this.

Latoya having her own reality TV show, is anything but a sign of success. The Jackson 4 had their own, not long ago. I'm pretty sure it was on a better network than OWN. And it aired in Europe.

ALL of the Jacksons are royalty. Not just Michael. The Jacksons/Jackson 5 launched Michael, and had numerous hits and worthy work. Not to mention, Janet, a legend in her own right.

yes, i'm sure she choses to be without a label seeing as her last album, number ones for a&m barely managed 500K.

no, all the jacksons are not royalty. just no.

I'm pretty sure the Jackson 5 are one of the best selling boy groups of all time. I would class that as music royalty.

500K is respectable now-a-days. Current artists aren't even fetching that, i.e. Usher & Chris Brown.

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Azz said:

kibbles said:

as the saying goes, "de nile" is not just a river in egypt.

you know as well as i do that latoya has been clawing and climbing to make a name for herself in showbiz all of her sorry-assed life. all of her brothers had major success, particularly mj. janet had major success and rebbie even managed a top ten hit. what has latoya had? nothing but a string of tabloid stunts to her name. there is nothing in my post that says that latoya wanted to be the only jackson in the limelight. but she has certainly wanted to be know as something other than the also-ran jackson, hasn't she? you can't deny that.

furthermore, i was simply marvelling at the changes that have taken place since she walked out of hayvenhurst, or are you in denial about that, too? in the great scheme of things, if anyone had told me that one day LATOYA FUCKING JACKSON would have her own show while mj would be dead, her brothers not even able to generate decent interest in a reunion tour considering how successful they were, and that janet would be without a label and involved in a dodgy scheme that even her own mother says was dodgy, you could have knocked me over with a feather. no wonder she walks around grinning like the cheshire cat. she probably never thought that would happen, either.

latoya is part of nothing. she's not music royalty, her brother mj was. she's a relative, and not really a close one. mj hadn't seen her in years before his death. so typical. can't argue the facts, so resort to name calling.

I think you are a better painter than Picasso.

Janet is without a label because she choses to be. You can't use 'being involved in a dodgy scheme' as evidence of success, or lack-of rather, I'm sure MJ fans are more than aware of this.

Latoya having her own reality TV show, is anything but a sign of success. The Jackson 4 had their own, not long ago. I'm pretty sure it was on a better network than OWN. And it aired in Europe.

ALL of the Jacksons are royalty. Not just Michael. The Jacksons/Jackson 5 launched Michael, and had numerous hits and worthy work. Not to mention, Janet, a legend in her own right.

How would you define Royalty?

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

I think you are a better painter than Picasso.

Janet is without a label because she choses to be. You can't use 'being involved in a dodgy scheme' as evidence of success, or lack-of rather, I'm sure MJ fans are more than aware of this.

Latoya having her own reality TV show, is anything but a sign of success. The Jackson 4 had their own, not long ago. I'm pretty sure it was on a better network than OWN. And it aired in Europe.

ALL of the Jacksons are royalty. Not just Michael. The Jacksons/Jackson 5 launched Michael, and had numerous hits and worthy work. Not to mention, Janet, a legend in her own right.

How would you define Royalty?

Influence, popularity, sales, talent, quality of music. I guess.

so they not suppose to deal with anybody who ever said something negative about mike,miss out on business opportunities, but they should never be able to benefit financially from anything associated with mike? by the way the jacksons are music royalty to everybody except you bitter mj stans

SoulAlive said:

maybe this is why she stayed out of the recent Jackson family drama....she wants to focus on her own career revival and didn't wanna get caught up in their mess.

And for once, LaToya didn't f*** up.

TonyVanDam said:

SoulAlive said:

maybe this is why she stayed out of the recent Jackson family drama....she wants to focus on her own career revival and didn't wanna get caught up in their mess.

And for once, LaToya didn't f*** up.

She needs viewers. She's not going to get invovled, and lose potential viewers from Janet or MJ fans.

Ottensen said:

Latoya might be goofy as hell (as least by way of her public persona, because that's actually an act), but she's not stupid. She rode the crest of the press she got from Celebrity Apprentice straight into the offices of HARPO.

Smart girl, keep getting those checks...unlike those lazy brothers who can't get off their rusty dusty behinds save for every 15 years, at least she's not afraid or allergic to work.

Yep...gotta give her that. Now I know why she stayed out of the scheming and conniving. Can't upset the mighty O.

The only thing I wonder is why Ms. O is scraping the barrel for D-list celebs? Things must be desperate over at OWN.

well, Latoya has finally gotten what she wants-a solo shot at fame Obviously, this comes off the heels of her appearance on Celebrity Apprentice. She did well on that show, as far as getting in the middle of drama goes. Oprah is desperate for ratings, I mean why else did she interview the WhoreTrashians a couple weeks back.

I'm probably not going to watch, but I'm sure Latoya will provide us with the crazy and entertain viewers

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babynoz said:

Ottensen said:

Latoya might be goofy as hell (as least by way of her public persona, because that's actually an act), but she's not stupid. She rode the crest of the press she got from Celebrity Apprentice straight into the offices of HARPO.

Smart girl, keep getting those checks...unlike those lazy brothers who can't get off their rusty dusty behinds save for every 15 years, at least she's not afraid or allergic to work.

Yep...gotta give her that. Now I know why she stayed out of the scheming and conniving. Can't upset the mighty O.

The only thing I wonder is why Ms. O is scraping the barrel for D-list celebs? Things must be desperate over at OWN.

I think it depends on how the show's theme can be spinned into the Oprah brand: I've watched most of the other shows ,with the exception of chaz's show.- Except for Sweetie Pies, they all share the common thread of chronicling older people with family & relationship issues trying to heal their angst. It's all very "post baby-boomer- I'm trying to find answers to my life" TV.

So the question is, will they try to fit Latoya's show into this mold (which is much more in your face "self-help"/mid-life crisis/ I need a coach to Live My Best Life" programming), or make it a bit fluffier like Sweetie Pie's (which still delves into family issues and has everyone in therapy at some point).

Do I smell another use of the Jacksons for ratings and them being stupid enough to fall for it again?

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babynoz said:

Ottensen said:

Latoya might be goofy as hell (as least by way of her public persona, because that's actually an act), but she's not stupid. She rode the crest of the press she got from Celebrity Apprentice straight into the offices of HARPO.

Smart girl, keep getting those checks...unlike those lazy brothers who can't get off their rusty dusty behinds save for every 15 years, at least she's not afraid or allergic to work.

Yep...gotta give her that. Now I know why she stayed out of the scheming and conniving. Can't upset the mighty O.

The only thing I wonder is why Ms. O is scraping the barrel for D-list celebs? Things must be desperate over at OWN.

I agree,it's surprising that she can't get any A-list celebrities to have shows on her networks.Last year,she had a reality show about Ryan O'Neal (!) and before that,a reality show about the Judds These are people who were "hot" 30 years ago!

musicjunky318 said:

Do I smell another use of the Jacksons for ratings and them being stupid enough to fall for it again?

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There not stupid they just DONT CARE...

Say what you want about LaToya...

shes a hustla!

SoulAlive said:

babynoz said:

Yep...gotta give her that. Now I know why she stayed out of the scheming and conniving. Can't upset the mighty O.

The only thing I wonder is why Ms. O is scraping the barrel for D-list celebs? Things must be desperate over at OWN.

I agree,it's surprising that she can't get any A-list celebrities to have shows on her networks.Last year,she had a reality show about Ryan O'Neal (!) and before that,a reality show about the Judds These are people who were "hot" 30 years ago!

Yeah, but these are appropriate celebrities for her demographic. It's kinda silly to think she should be making reality shows following 20 year olds. Like I said before, I've actually watched the reality shows that are aired on OWN, and they are very strategic and formulaic in that they are targeted to an older, mature audience that are struggling with spiritual issues, family dynamics, yokes and addictions, aspirations and personal triumphs. These are themes and topics right in alignment with the Oprah brand-- the focus of these types of shows is not to concentrate on who the hottest tv personality is right now (aka the A-List celebs).

This Toya show is going to be a stretch, though- in terms of fitting the brand image of Harpo Omnimedia...and that's why I am curious to see how they can put a gloss or finish on it to turn itr into the standard self-help/spiritual healing puzzle piece that fits into O's brand imaging. Again, if you look at "Welcome to Sweetie Pie's", while on the surface it's fluffy enough as good natured, family reality, when you get further into the show, it has all the usual themes that we could fing in any O Magazine or on any O show from the last I don't know how many years: a woman on a mission to create a business legacy that will outlive her time on this earth, a young man's re-intergration into society after serving time in jail, the drama of a young couple's pre-mature labor, a family taking responsibilty for a troubled teen relative to be positive role models for him (Robbie's grandson from Texas), everyone realizing that they have to unlearn some of the behaviors imprinted on their hard drive so that they can learn to communicate and build each other up in love, etc. etc. It's not really a network format suitable for having a show centered around a Selena Gomez or some other Disney-esque type celebrity

dreamfactory313 said:

Say what you want about LaToya...

shes a hustla!

Yea she hustles money off her LAST NAME.

mjscarousal said:

dreamfactory313 said:

Say what you want about LaToya...

shes a hustla!

Yea she hustles money off her LAST NAME.

..and who wouldn't? It's a famous name that carries a lot of weight, and first and foremost it's hers, not ours. How she uses her last name to generate income for herself is her business, she is after all grown, and I reckon if no children or animals are harmed during the filming of her show ( ) or her general pursuit of happiness, who are we in the general public (who celebrities actually don't give 2 f**ks about anyway) to get bent out of shape- or emotionally invested in something that really has no nothing to do with us or no bearing on our own personal lives?

If people want altruism then they should look to missionaries feeding the poor and suffering, or to those in third world countries throwing themselves on the line to stop human trafficking. What this family does for a living is not called "show art", it's called show business. She hustles, she works she gets paid...unlike her deabeat siblings. Good on her. As one gets older, they learn to take what they have, what they know, get in their own lane, and use it. That's just real life.

Ottensen said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea she hustles money off her LAST NAME.

..and who wouldn't? It's a famous name that carries a lot of weight, and first and foremost it's hers, not ours. How she uses her last name to generate income for herself is her business, she is after all grown, and I reckon if no children or animals are harmed during the filming of her show ( ) or her general pursuit of happiness, who are we in the general public (who celebrities actually don't give 2 f**ks about anyway) to get bent out of shape- or emotionally invested in something that really has no nothing to do with us or no bearing on our own personal lives?

If people want altruism then they should look to missionaries feeding the poor and suffering, or to those in third world countries throwing themselves on the line to stop human trafficking. What this family does for a living is not called "show art", it's called show business. She hustles, she works she gets paid...unlike her deabeat siblings. Good on her. As one gets older, they learn to take what they have, what they know, get in their own lane, and use it. That's just real life.

I feel you and your right... but I think its hyprocritical how she makes these statements like she cares about her family but exploits them for money. I just cant take a person seriously who does that and since for me integrity is higher than money I dont think its right or agree with it but thats just my thoughts. Toy Toy gonna do what she wants to do

mjscarousal said:

dreamfactory313 said:

Say what you want about LaToya...

shes a hustla!

Yea she hustles money off her LAST NAME.

YEP!