Free2BMe said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Free, I'm not a Jackson family defender. I'm glad she did say that her uncles and aunts were mistaken about Ms. Katherine's health. I like Paris's outspokenness when it comes to defending her father (as seen on her various tv interviews).

What I don't approve of is this girl having social media when her every move is being scrutinized. Yeah, she's a teenager, but she's not just any teenager. I think she's way too young and hasn't gotten enough world experience to conduct herself in a manner that's befitting of Michael Jackson's daughter. Also...all those people who follow are crazy, nit-witted, out of their damn mind MJ stans who she really shouldn't be around. The vast majority of them are completely unstable. For gosh's sakes, during the trial one of them sent her autopsy photos of her DAD!

If they have to have public accounts, let publicists release statements that are appriopriate to satisfy these nutjobs. It would be a lot safer.

But that of course, is just my personal opinion. I love young Paris, and I really don't want anything terrible to happen to her or her brothers.

I wish sometimes Debbie would have a talk with her...she would listen I'd think.

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You are correct to worry about Paris being so open in social media. There are nuts out there; however, those nuts are NOT MJ fans. There is no MJ fan would send Paris an autopsy photo of her father. It is OBVIOUS that MJ haters would do something like that.

Nope unfortunately it was a fan. But hey, haters, fans, stans....that line became so blurred after Michael's passing I don't know what to make of them anymore. With the exception of a few, I really can't stand what the lot of them has become. I've become so disillusioned with the disunity and the uppityness of some fans that I distanced myself from them. Everything from playing favourites with the children (discounting Prince and Paris and expecting the Second Coming from young Blanket) to the general snobbish attitude they take with other fans(on what it means to be a Michael Jackson fan). Whatever unity we had as fandom has unfortunately disintegrated and I don't know if it will ever come back. This is the sad truth. I personally focus on what matters to me as a friend...not just a fan.

Having said that, in THIS situation, it is GREAT that Paris had access to twitter. Can you imagine the manipulation that Janet and Co. would have done if this child had not question their LIES that THEY revealed to the media. Remember, only after Paris refuted that letter's claim that katherine had a "mini-stroke" did Paris respond. This is when Paris and her siblings became very worried because they hadn't heard from their grandmother in 10 days. All Janet and Co. had to do was to allow Katherine to pick up a phone and talk to these children who are in HER custody and just tell them that she was alright. However, janet wouldn't allow them to speak to their OWN grandmother as Prince PROVED with the screen capture on his cell phone. There is no way that janet can LIE her way of that. Thus, the silence.

I agree. She has to right to speak up when she saw that injustice being done.

I do want to say that I agree with your concern for Paris concerning her use of the social media. I am concerned also. I do believe that her use of the social media is her way of connecting with her father's fans and it comforts her. I just wish that there was a way for her to be protected from the NUTS on the internet. Other than that,I am so thankful that she was able to expose what her own aunts and uncles were trying to pull on the media, public and her and her siblings.

And to that we most definetely can agree.

I don't know what's come over Janet. But I hope she distances herself from this mess...and quick. This is not gonna bode well for her.

SoulAlive said:

shorttrini said:

I could not have said it, better myself. Also, regardless of what is going on within her family, she should NOT be broadcasting every detail of it, on Twitter. In the words of one one of her uncle Jermaine's songs, "Some Things Are Private"....

Jermaine is a poor example He himself is always on Twitter,talking about the family and their issues.Furthermore,in 1991 he released a scathing single "Word 2 The Badd" which was a negative track aimed directly as Michael.He was doing exactly what folks are now criticizing Paris for doing: exposing family drama.

You're right...I was being facious when I made the statement about Jermaine. Mind you, I did not say, he was right in what he did either, I felt the same way about him, when he released that song.

shorttrini said:

SoulAlive said:

Jermaine is a poor example He himself is always on Twitter,talking about the family and their issues.Furthermore,in 1991 he released a scathing single "Word 2 The Badd" which was a negative track aimed directly as Michael.He was doing exactly what folks are now criticizing Paris for doing: exposing family drama.

You're right...I was being facious when I made the statement about Jermaine. Mind you, I did not say, he was right in what he did either, I felt the same way about him, when he released that song.

I hear ya I think there are certain Jacksons who want all of this personal stuff made public.It seems like they could have easily handled these issues privately,away from the media.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Free2BMe said:

Damn, black people can't we get this story correct? The media said that Janet SLAPPED Paris and then said that Paris called Janet a "bitch". Neither of these things happened. Paris said that Janet did NOT slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

How the fuck can people still be so stupid over this shit? Neither of these things happened. Btw, how the hell is Gladys going to talk about "knocking someone's teeth out" when her OWN son was taken from her at one time? Btw, all of this talk from some blackl acting as if this is the way it is in our culture, is some "country ass" shit. Not ALL black people believe in that kind of thing. I am a STERN believer in discipline. My parents were also, and not one damn time were my kids teeth knocked out or were my siblings and I "teeth knocked out". So, don't act as if all of us believe in that mentality, in order to discipline our children. The bottomline is that people need to get the FACTS before they run off talking about shit they know fuck about.

Btw, Janet had no damn business running up in Paris face(as the surveillance video showed) and trying to block her from going into her house and THEN trying to snatch her cell phone. Do you people know of ANY 14 year-old who would let someone just run up in their face and try to block them from going in their OWN house and then snatch the cell phone- aunt or no aunt. Especially when that aunt is a liar and trying to stop that child from asking about her grandparent and trying to stop that child from exposing her and the rest of the Jacksons in a LIE. You can bet that even Janet at 14 wouldn't have allowed someone to do that to her in the same situation. This hypocrisy from some black people who endorse what happened is a sad reflection on our race.

Janet looked like a freaking BULLY as she and Randy ran up on these kids as they were returning from school. On top of that, Janet stuck HER phone in Paris face and began trying to provoke her by taking photos. Paris was the one acting mature by TRYING to ignore Janet and walk past her. Janet continued to follow Paris and take Photos. Randy even pulled Janet away from Paris as then both Randy and Janet were taking photos on their cell phones like two middle-school bullies.

What's even sadder for people like Gladys Knight and other Jackson Family defenders is that you/they are too damn ignorant to actually look at the FACTS. The FACTS are right there on the video and still you have idiots spewing lies. I can tell you this: If Janet had run upon my child and did what she did to Paris, then Janet wouldn't have any teeth. Respect is earned and Janet did NOT deserve any respect for what she did. Gladys Knight is one of those ignorant people, I don't give a fuck if she is a legend, who needs to STFU until she knows the facts. Btw, I would have no problem telling her or anyone else that to their face. Its' patheitc how SOME black people are turning this into a RACE thing, when it has shit to do with that. Paris Jackson is BLACK. Her Dad, Michael Jackson was black and her mother, Debbie Rowe is white. If the daddy is black, a child is considered black. I don't give a fuck how she looks, she is black. Just like Rashida Jones, Quincy Jones' daughter looks as white as Paris; however, Rashida is BLACK because Quincy is black. It doesn't matter that Rashida Jones mother, Peggy Lipton is white.

Black people need to get over this race shit concerning this situation. The Jacksons-Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy are responsible for EVERYTHING that has happened and they are BLACK, also. Black people stop the fuckery! All of us don't subscribe to that ignorant bullshit!!!

Finally, according to Katherine Jackson herself she has said in EVERY interview that Michael's kids are very well-mannered, smart and all-around GOOD KIDS! Are you black people who are defending Janet's actions saying that Katherine is a LIAR? Michael's kids don't need discipline. They are already disciplined because that's the way that Michael raised them. Michael did all the work, Katherine is just their guardian/grandmother. You people act as if these children are little toddlers and Katherine has to do all of the "raising". Her job is to be there for them, love them, guide them.

Damn, I am disappointed in some my people (Thank God, it is not all of us) who are doing everything to dismiss what the Jacksons have caused and trying to blame a child, just because some of you don't feel that she is black. The ignorance is stifling.Wake the fuck up!

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U had a post that pulled me in totally until you went into defining who is black and why, you should have just left that out. Does it matter. And I don't think Michael used that kind of thinking as far as race is concerned.

None of really know if Michaels kids are biologically his, so that could in fact be a white girl. Race doesn't matter in rearing children.

You should read up on how these people identify, and who the Jones identify, I've read interviews with the Jones family and he has a lot of children and they all seem to identify differently.

Why is it wrong to point out that Paris Jackson's father, Michael Jackson,is a BLACK MAN and that her mother, Debbie Rowe is a WHITE WOMAN. For the record, Paris is bi-racial, just like Mariah Carey, Kitt McDonald (Eartha Kitt's daughter, who looks even whiter than Paris-Earth is black and Kitt's father is white) and Rashida Jones (whose father Quincy is black and mother, Peggy Lipton is white.) I use these people as examples because there are people who act as if Michael's children just can't be black when all of the aforementioned people that I name LOOK as WHITE as PARIS, yet people don't try to question their "biology". You say that none of us know if Michael's kids are biologically his. So, are you saying that none of us know if Rashida is biologically Quincy's or Kitt is biologically Eartha's or if Mariah is biologically her black father's child? The hypocrisy has to stop, just because Paris, Prince and Blanket are Michael's children. Althought, Paris is bi-racial, as her other siblings are, her father, Michael Jackson is a BLACK man. People can't take away the fact that these children are mixed with both of their parents blood. According law, a child's race is based on the race of the father. I have a relative who looks as "white" as Paris and Prince does-father black, mother white. Does this mean that this child has no black blood just because he looks "white"?

Btw, it doesn't matter how the Jones children"identify" the fact remains that Rashida Jones's father is Quincy Jones, a black man, and Rashida looks "white". The bottomline is that Paris, Prince and Blanket's BIOLOGICAL father IS Michael Jackson.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Free2BMe said:

You are correct to worry about Paris being so open in social media. There are nuts out there; however, those nuts are NOT MJ fans. There is no MJ fan would send Paris an autopsy photo of her father. It is OBVIOUS that MJ haters would do something like that.

Nope unfortunately it was a fan. But hey, haters, fans, stans....that line became so blurred after Michael's passing I don't know what to make of them anymore. With the exception of a few, I really can't stand what the lot of them has become. I've become so disillusioned with the disunity and the uppityness of some fans that I distanced myself from them. Everything from playing favourites with the children (discounting Prince and Paris and expecting the Second Coming from young Blanket) to the general snobbish attitude they take with other fans(on what it means to be a Michael Jackson fan). Whatever unity we had as fandom has unfortunately disintegrated and I don't know if it will ever come back. This is the sad truth. I personally focus on what matters to me as a friend...not just a fan.

Having said that, in THIS situation, it is GREAT that Paris had access to twitter. Can you imagine the manipulation that Janet and Co. would have done if this child had not question their LIES that THEY revealed to the media. Remember, only after Paris refuted that letter's claim that katherine had a "mini-stroke" did Paris respond. This is when Paris and her siblings became very worried because they hadn't heard from their grandmother in 10 days. All Janet and Co. had to do was to allow Katherine to pick up a phone and talk to these children who are in HER custody and just tell them that she was alright. However, janet wouldn't allow them to speak to their OWN grandmother as Prince PROVED with the screen capture on his cell phone. There is no way that janet can LIE her way of that. Thus, the silence.

I agree. She has to right to speak up when she saw that injustice being done.

I do want to say that I agree with your concern for Paris concerning her use of the social media. I am concerned also. I do believe that her use of the social media is her way of connecting with her father's fans and it comforts her. I just wish that there was a way for her to be protected from the NUTS on the internet. Other than that,I am so thankful that she was able to expose what her own aunts and uncles were trying to pull on the media, public and her and her siblings.

And to that we most definetely can agree.

I don't know what's come over Janet. But I hope she distances herself from this mess...and quick. This is not gonna bode well for her.

There is no Michael Jackson FAN who would do what you said. I am not counting people pretending to be fans. Everyone who CLAIMS to be a fan is not really a fan. Surely, you know that. Btw, Michael Jackson FANS were horrified at the thought that someone would do that to a child.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Free2BMe said:

You are correct to worry about Paris being so open in social media. There are nuts out there; however, those nuts are NOT MJ fans. There is no MJ fan would send Paris an autopsy photo of her father. It is OBVIOUS that MJ haters would do something like that.

Nope unfortunately it was a fan. But hey, haters, fans, stans....that line became so blurred after Michael's passing I don't know what to make of them anymore. With the exception of a few, I really can't stand what the lot of them has become. I've become so disillusioned with the disunity and the uppityness of some fans that I distanced myself from them. Everything from playing favourites with the children (discounting Prince and Paris and expecting the Second Coming from young Blanket) to the general snobbish attitude they take with other fans(on what it means to be a Michael Jackson fan). Whatever unity we had as fandom has unfortunately disintegrated and I don't know if it will ever come back. This is the sad truth. I personally focus on what matters to me as a friend...not just a fan.

Having said that, in THIS situation, it is GREAT that Paris had access to twitter. Can you imagine the manipulation that Janet and Co. would have done if this child had not question their LIES that THEY revealed to the media. Remember, only after Paris refuted that letter's claim that katherine had a "mini-stroke" did Paris respond. This is when Paris and her siblings became very worried because they hadn't heard from their grandmother in 10 days. All Janet and Co. had to do was to allow Katherine to pick up a phone and talk to these children who are in HER custody and just tell them that she was alright. However, janet wouldn't allow them to speak to their OWN grandmother as Prince PROVED with the screen capture on his cell phone. There is no way that janet can LIE her way of that. Thus, the silence.

I agree. She has to right to speak up when she saw that injustice being done.

I do want to say that I agree with your concern for Paris concerning her use of the social media. I am concerned also. I do believe that her use of the social media is her way of connecting with her father's fans and it comforts her. I just wish that there was a way for her to be protected from the NUTS on the internet. Other than that,I am so thankful that she was able to expose what her own aunts and uncles were trying to pull on the media, public and her and her siblings.

And to that we most definetely can agree.

I don't know what's come over Janet. But I hope she distances herself from this mess...and quick. This is not gonna bode well for her.

What came over Janet is what most aware fans have known for years and have especially noticed since Michael's death. How can she distance herself from something that SHE helped to author, implent, plot and TRY to perpetuate to the world? Janet is in this mess with her ENTIRE BODY. Seriously, I am sick of people making excuses for her. Janet is a grown-ass woman who knew exactly what she was doing because (as has been proven by the surveillance tape and the screen captiure from Prince's cell phone) she is the RING-LEADER in all of this. It doesn't matter that she has money and a billionaire boyfriend, Janet is as much a part of this as Randy, Jermaine and Rebbie. She is cowardly and is going to come out and put all of the blame on her insane brother, Randy. He DESERVES blame just as she and the rest of the Jacksons involved in this do. Janet's arrogance led her to believe that if SHE became involved people would find this scam credible. What she didn't fathom was the CONCERN of two children about their grandmother's welfare. This is what blew this whole thing wide open. Janet Jackson knew what she was doing when she became involved, she just thought that she could get away with it, because she is Janet Jackson, the so-called "normal one".

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Free2BMe said:

LiLi1992 said:

These children have no father, no mother ... they are not the blood of the Jacksons ... I think that is very, very hard for them to live in this family (that's my opinion), so they need to keep in touch with the world through social network, it is certain warranty and support for them.
PS I am afraid of people who support a woman offering "knock out the teeth of the child" who disrespected (and it was a reaction to the disrespect shown to him) .. there is something wrong in this society.
Paris is not a simple girl, but no one in this family has no right to physically punish her. Point!

So, are you saying that Michael Jackson is NOT Katherine Jackson's son? Because if you are, then Michael should not have left her any money in his will and she should not be the guardian of HIS children. If these children are not the blood of the Jacksons, then damn his mother deserves NOTHING because if those children are not the blood of the Jacksons, then I guess you don't consider Michael as the son of Katherine Jackson.

my god you are a complete lunatic

lowkey said:

Free2BMe said:

So, are you saying that Michael Jackson is NOT Katherine Jackson's son? Because if you are, then Michael should not have left her any money in his will and she should not be the guardian of HIS children. If these children are not the blood of the Jacksons, then damn his mother deserves NOTHING because if those children are not the blood of the Jacksons, then I guess you don't consider Michael as the son of Katherine Jackson.

my god you are a complete lunatic

phunkdaddy said:

lowkey said:

my god you are a complete lunatic

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LOL, at a Janet stanatic calling someone a "lunatic"! You poor,poor baby.

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Free2BMe said:

phunkdaddy said:

LOL at a Janet stanatic calling someone a "lunatic"! You poor,poor baby.

Analyst said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree with both posts... but it just goes to show you that people will believe anything that is reported.. If i was Knight I would have said I dont know all the facts to make a comment.

While Janet is wrong in this situation, I dont think she called Paris out her name.

Actually Paris was on Twitter slamming her uncle and plenty of people took screenshots of it and a few media outlets/gossip columnists reported/posted those pics.

So how does she not know enough to comment? The pics were right there, and they showed her mouthing off to her elder, which is what Knight spoke on. Do I agree with her saying her teeth should've been knocked out? No. But I do think Paris went too far and that some disciplining is in order there for sure.

And before people pop up spouting "Spanking is ABUSE", that's nonsense. It's all in how and why you do it. And I believe strongly in teaching kids boundaries and that there's real consequences to their actions. And it's better a parent do that then years from now, having the world spank your kid in one way or another, cuz I promise you, what it will do to them will be way worse than anything a loving parent would.

If she was my kid she have gotten a few ass-whippings in the last few days.

Paris needs one of those Aunts named Kay-Kay from Nickerson Gardens to give her some clarity about telling family business,regardless!

MiVidaFeliz said:

Analyst said:

Actually Paris was on Twitter slamming her uncle and plenty of people took screenshots of it and a few media outlets/gossip columnists reported/posted those pics.

So how does she not know enough to comment? The pics were right there, and they showed her mouthing off to her elder, which is what Knight spoke on. Do I agree with her saying her teeth should've been knocked out? No. But I do think Paris went too far and that some disciplining is in order there for sure.

And before people pop up spouting "Spanking is ABUSE", that's nonsense. It's all in how and why you do it. And I believe strongly in teaching kids boundaries and that there's real consequences to their actions. And it's better a parent do that then years from now, having the world spank your kid in one way or another, cuz I promise you, what it will do to them will be way worse than anything a loving parent would.

If she was my kid she have gotten a few ass-whippings in the last few days.

Paris needs one of those Aunts named Kay-Kay from Nickerson Gardens to give her some clarity about telling family business,regardless!

MiVidaFeliz said:

Analyst said:

Actually Paris was on Twitter slamming her uncle and plenty of people took screenshots of it and a few media outlets/gossip columnists reported/posted those pics.

So how does she not know enough to comment? The pics were right there, and they showed her mouthing off to her elder, which is what Knight spoke on. Do I agree with her saying her teeth should've been knocked out? No. But I do think Paris went too far and that some disciplining is in order there for sure.

And before people pop up spouting "Spanking is ABUSE", that's nonsense. It's all in how and why you do it. And I believe strongly in teaching kids boundaries and that there's real consequences to their actions. And it's better a parent do that then years from now, having the world spank your kid in one way or another, cuz I promise you, what it will do to them will be way worse than anything a loving parent would.

If she was my kid she have gotten a few ass-whippings in the last few days.

Paris needs one of those Aunts named Kay-Kay from Nickerson Gardens to give her some clarity about telling family business,regardless!

Can you tell me what "family business" Paris told? ... I am waiting. Before you try and MANIPULTATE the truth, here it is:

*Paris said that her grandmother did NOT have a stroke, TRUE

*Paris said that she and her siblings had not heard from their OWN grandmother who is their only PARENT/guardian for 10 days. TRUE

I am still waiting for you to tell me how Paris told "family business". The ONLY people who revealed family business was Janet, Randy, Jermaine, and Rebbie when they released that letter to the MEDIA(family business) and when they didn't allow three MINOR children to talk to their grandmother.(family business). It would seem that Janet and Co. need a good old ass-KICKING for telling family business and trying to pimp the whole world with their scheming plans.

These ADULT Jacksons-Janet, Jermaine, Randy and Rebbie- need their asses kicked from LA to Nickerson Gardens by ANYONE's Aunt Kay-Kay or even Aunt Re-Re.

It was reported 5 days after Michael's death that he nor Debbie Rowe are the biological parents.

Does that matter? Errr...yes and no. Yes because the hardcore stans always ignore what they don't want to hear and believe anything MJ ever said. And no because he raised them, whether it was his sperm or the guy down the street. He was the one changing diapers, feeding them, etc. Well really the nannies and shit but you get my point.

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Here's the article for those that forgot or simply want to ignore it.

Jackson/Rowe Not the Biological Parents

We've learned Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro -- outside the womb.

Multiple sources deeply connected to the births tell us Michael was not the sperm donor for any of his kids. Debbie's eggs were not used. She was merely the surrogate, and paid well for her services in the births of Michael Jr. and Paris.

In the case of Prince Michael II (the youngest), we're told the surrogate was never told of the identity of the "receiving parent" -- Michael Jackson. Three days after Prince was born at Grossmont Hospital in San Diego County, Jackson's lawyer came to the hospital to pick the baby up and deliver him to Michael.

We do not know if Jackson chose the sperm or egg donors or if he even knew who they were.

Although Rowe is not the biological mother, it's not a slam dunk that she would lose a custody battle. This type of case has never been litigated in California courts. Since Rowe was married to Jackson when Michael Jr. and Paris were born, there's a presumption that she's the biological parent. That presumption can be rebutted by other evidence.

We know there are documents outlining the whole arrangement for the birth of all three kids. Nonetheless, it's still an open issue with the courts.

musicjunky318 said:

It was reported 5 days after Michael's death that he nor Debbie Rowe are the biological parents.

Does that matter? Errr...yes and no. Yes because the hardcore stans always ignore what they don't want to hear and believe anything MJ ever said. And no because he raised them, whether it was his sperm or the guy down the street. He was the one changing diapers, feeding them, etc. Well really the nannies and shit but you get my point.

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Here's the article for those that forgot or simply want to ignore it.

Jackson/Rowe Not the Biological Parents

We've learned Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro -- outside the womb.

Multiple sources deeply connected to the births tell us Michael was not the sperm donor for any of his kids. Debbie's eggs were not used. She was merely the surrogate, and paid well for her services in the births of Michael Jr. and Paris.

In the case of Prince Michael II (the youngest), we're told the surrogate was never told of the identity of the "receiving parent" -- Michael Jackson. Three days after Prince was born at Grossmont Hospital in San Diego County, Jackson's lawyer came to the hospital to pick the baby up and deliver him to Michael.

We do not know if Jackson chose the sperm or egg donors or if he even knew who they were.

Although Rowe is not the biological mother, it's not a slam dunk that she would lose a custody battle. This type of case has never been litigated in California courts. Since Rowe was married to Jackson when Michael Jr. and Paris were born, there's a presumption that she's the biological parent. That presumption can be rebutted by other evidence.

We know there are documents outlining the whole arrangement for the birth of all three kids. Nonetheless, it's still an open issue with the courts.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/0...-in-vitro/

I would never negate any evidence revealing that Michael is not Prince or Paris' father genetically since that just may be possible, even though the shape of their ears kinda weakens the claim (all three of them have the same protruding pinna structure somehow, that Paris always covers with her hair......That's apparently from Michael's side). However, how can one deny Paris' extreme resemblance to Rowe though? There is no way that woman is not Paris' mother.

Free2BMe said:

RnBAmbassador said:

This goes to show the culture difference. A Black child that would have called her Aunti a "bitch" would be on life support.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/0...out-teeth/

I agree with Ms. Knight whole-heartedly.

Damn, black people can't we get this story correct? The media said that Janet SLAPPED Paris and then said that Paris called Janet a "bitch". Neither of these things happened. Paris said that Janet did NOT slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

How the fuck can people still be so stupid over this shit? Neither of these things happened. Btw, how the hell is Gladys going to talk about "knocking someone's teeth out" when her OWN son was taken from her at one time? Btw, all of this talk from some blackl acting as if this is the way it is in our culture, is some "country ass" shit. Not ALL black people believe in that kind of thing. I am a STERN believer in discipline. My parents were also, and not one damn time were my kids teeth knocked out or were my siblings and I "teeth knocked out". So, don't act as if all of us believe in that mentality, in order to discipline our children. The bottomline is that people need to get the FACTS before they run off talking about shit they know fuck about.

Btw, Janet had no damn business running up in Paris face(as the surveillance video showed) and trying to block her from going into her house and THEN trying to snatch her cell phone. Do you people know of ANY 14 year-old who would let someone just run up in their face and try to block them from going in their OWN house and then snatch the cell phone- aunt or no aunt. Especially when that aunt is a liar and trying to stop that child from asking about her grandparent and trying to stop that child from exposing her and the rest of the Jacksons in a LIE. You can bet that even Janet at 14 wouldn't have allowed someone to do that to her in the same situation. This hypocrisy from some black people who endorse what happened is a sad reflection on our race.

Janet looked like a freaking BULLY as she and Randy ran up on these kids as they were returning from school. On top of that, Janet stuck HER phone in Paris face and began trying to provoke her by taking photos. Paris was the one acting mature by TRYING to ignore Janet and walk past her. Janet continued to follow Paris and take Photos. Randy even pulled Janet away from Paris as then both Randy and Janet were taking photos on their cell phones like two middle-school bullies.

What's even sadder for people like Gladys Knight and other Jackson Family defenders is that you/they are too damn ignorant to actually look at the FACTS. The FACTS are right there on the video and still you have idiots spewing lies. I can tell you this: If Janet had run upon my child and did what she did to Paris, then Janet wouldn't have any teeth. Respect is earned and Janet did NOT deserve any respect for what she did. Gladys Knight is one of those ignorant people, I don't give a fuck if she is a legend, who needs to STFU until she knows the facts. Btw, I would have no problem telling her or anyone else that to their face. Its' patheitc how SOME black people are turning this into a RACE thing, when it has shit to do with that. Paris Jackson is BLACK. Her Dad, Michael Jackson was black and her mother, Debbie Rowe is white. If the daddy is black, a child is considered black. I don't give a fuck how she looks, she is black. Just like Rashida Jones, Quincy Jones' daughter looks as white as Paris; however, Rashida is BLACK because Quincy is black. It doesn't matter that Rashida Jones mother, Peggy Lipton is white.

Black people need to get over this race shit concerning this situation. The Jacksons-Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy are responsible for EVERYTHING that has happened and they are BLACK, also. Black people stop the fuckery! All of us don't subscribe to that ignorant bullshit!!!

Finally, according to Katherine Jackson herself she has said in EVERY interview that Michael's kids are very well-mannered, smart and all-around GOOD KIDS! Are you black people who are defending Janet's actions saying that Katherine is a LIAR? Michael's kids don't need discipline. They are already disciplined because that's the way that Michael raised them. Michael did all the work, Katherine is just their guardian/grandmother. You people act as if these children are little toddlers and Katherine has to do all of the "raising". Her job is to be there for them, love them, guide them.

Damn, I am disappointed in some my people (Thank God, it is not all of us) who are doing everything to dismiss what the Jacksons have caused and trying to blame a child, just because some of you don't feel that she is black. The ignorance is stifling.Wake the fuck up!

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This is a harsh post.

But if I were one to look for subtext in this post I could point out that you referred to blacks as country-ass and ignorant, whereas Paris (who projects white) is smart, tough, no pushover.

The Jackson's are percieved to be sneaky, triflin and dumb and they also got outsmarted by some kids who people see as white.

I'm not saying any of this is factual but when you look at it this way it was only a matter of time before there was some racial context added to the debate.

I took a mass communication course once and it was enlightening. The Jackson's are personally responsible for their own image. But from a mass media perspective they're another dysfunctional black family in America. And we all look, discuss and debate, as if they've created dysfunction.

CynicKill said:

Free2BMe said:

Damn, black people can't we get this story correct? The media said that Janet SLAPPED Paris and then said that Paris called Janet a "bitch". Neither of these things happened. Paris said that Janet did NOT slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

How the fuck can people still be so stupid over this shit? Neither of these things happened. Btw, how the hell is Gladys going to talk about "knocking someone's teeth out" when her OWN son was taken from her at one time? Btw, all of this talk from some blackl acting as if this is the way it is in our culture, is some "country ass" shit. Not ALL black people believe in that kind of thing. I am a STERN believer in discipline. My parents were also, and not one damn time were my kids teeth knocked out or were my siblings and I "teeth knocked out". So, don't act as if all of us believe in that mentality, in order to discipline our children. The bottomline is that people need to get the FACTS before they run off talking about shit they know fuck about.

Btw, Janet had no damn business running up in Paris face(as the surveillance video showed) and trying to block her from going into her house and THEN trying to snatch her cell phone. Do you people know of ANY 14 year-old who would let someone just run up in their face and try to block them from going in their OWN house and then snatch the cell phone- aunt or no aunt. Especially when that aunt is a liar and trying to stop that child from asking about her grandparent and trying to stop that child from exposing her and the rest of the Jacksons in a LIE. You can bet that even Janet at 14 wouldn't have allowed someone to do that to her in the same situation. This hypocrisy from some black people who endorse what happened is a sad reflection on our race.

Janet looked like a freaking BULLY as she and Randy ran up on these kids as they were returning from school. On top of that, Janet stuck HER phone in Paris face and began trying to provoke her by taking photos. Paris was the one acting mature by TRYING to ignore Janet and walk past her. Janet continued to follow Paris and take Photos. Randy even pulled Janet away from Paris as then both Randy and Janet were taking photos on their cell phones like two middle-school bullies.

What's even sadder for people like Gladys Knight and other Jackson Family defenders is that you/they are too damn ignorant to actually look at the FACTS. The FACTS are right there on the video and still you have idiots spewing lies. I can tell you this: If Janet had run upon my child and did what she did to Paris, then Janet wouldn't have any teeth. Respect is earned and Janet did NOT deserve any respect for what she did. Gladys Knight is one of those ignorant people, I don't give a fuck if she is a legend, who needs to STFU until she knows the facts. Btw, I would have no problem telling her or anyone else that to their face. Its' patheitc how SOME black people are turning this into a RACE thing, when it has shit to do with that. Paris Jackson is BLACK. Her Dad, Michael Jackson was black and her mother, Debbie Rowe is white. If the daddy is black, a child is considered black. I don't give a fuck how she looks, she is black. Just like Rashida Jones, Quincy Jones' daughter looks as white as Paris; however, Rashida is BLACK because Quincy is black. It doesn't matter that Rashida Jones mother, Peggy Lipton is white.

Black people need to get over this race shit concerning this situation. The Jacksons-Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy are responsible for EVERYTHING that has happened and they are BLACK, also. Black people stop the fuckery! All of us don't subscribe to that ignorant bullshit!!!

Finally, according to Katherine Jackson herself she has said in EVERY interview that Michael's kids are very well-mannered, smart and all-around GOOD KIDS! Are you black people who are defending Janet's actions saying that Katherine is a LIAR? Michael's kids don't need discipline. They are already disciplined because that's the way that Michael raised them. Michael did all the work, Katherine is just their guardian/grandmother. You people act as if these children are little toddlers and Katherine has to do all of the "raising". Her job is to be there for them, love them, guide them.

Damn, I am disappointed in some my people (Thank God, it is not all of us) who are doing everything to dismiss what the Jacksons have caused and trying to blame a child, just because some of you don't feel that she is black. The ignorance is stifling.Wake the fuck up!

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This is a harsh post.

But if I were one to look for subtext in this post I could point out that you referred to blacks as country-ass and ignorant, whereas Paris (who projects white) is smart, tough, no pushover.

The Jackson's are percieved to be sneaky, triflin and dumb and they also got outsmarted by some kids who people see as white.

I'm not saying any of this is factual but when you look at it this way it was only a matter of time before there was some racial context added to the debate.

I took a mass communication course once and it was enlightening. The Jackson's are personally responsible for their own image. But from a mass media perspective they're another dysfunctional black family in America. And we all look, discuss and debate, as if they've created dysfunction.

The only reason there's a racial context is because Michael chose to be the father of white children. Nobody was stopping him from using his own sperm, nobody was stopping him from going out and finding a black woman to reproduce with. That was on him. You can't get mad at the kids for pointing out wrong. He left the money to them & Katherine. Everyone else needs to fuck off. The Jackson's are indeed sneaky, triflin, and dumb and if folks are mad that they got shitted on by a little white girl, well blame their brother for initiating it in the first place.

Free2BMe said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U had a post that pulled me in totally until you went into defining who is black and why, you should have just left that out. Does it matter. And I don't think Michael used that kind of thinking as far as race is concerned.

None of really know if Michaels kids are biologically his, so that could in fact be a white girl. Race doesn't matter in rearing children.

You should read up on how these people identify, and who the Jones identify, I've read interviews with the Jones family and he has a lot of children and they all seem to identify differently.

Why is it wrong to point out that Paris Jackson's father, Michael Jackson,is a BLACK MAN and that her mother, Debbie Rowe is a WHITE WOMAN. For the record, Paris is bi-racial, just like Mariah Carey, Kitt McDonald (Eartha Kitt's daughter, who looks even whiter than Paris-Earth is black and Kitt's father is white) and Rashida Jones (whose father Quincy is black and mother, Peggy Lipton is white.) I use these people as examples because there are people who act as if Michael's children just can't be black when all of the aforementioned people that I name LOOK as WHITE as PARIS, yet people don't try to question their "biology". You say that none of us know if Michael's kids are biologically his. So, are you saying that none of us know if Rashida is biologically Quincy's or Kitt is biologically Eartha's or if Mariah is biologically her black father's child? The hypocrisy has to stop, just because Paris, Prince and Blanket are Michael's children. Althought, Paris is bi-racial, as her other siblings are, her father, Michael Jackson is a BLACK man. People can't take away the fact that these children are mixed with both of their parents blood. According law, a child's race is based on the race of the father. I have a relative who looks as "white" as Paris and Prince does-father black, mother white. Does this mean that this child has no black blood just because he looks "white"?

Btw, it doesn't matter how the Jones children"identify" the fact remains that Rashida Jones's father is Quincy Jones, a black man, and Rashida looks "white". The bottomline is that Paris, Prince and Blanket's BIOLOGICAL father IS Michael Jackson.

You all need to stop, those are not Michaels biological kids, those are Euro(non mixed children)

I'm dealing with your idea of the 1 Drop Rule as well.

And Michael Jackson nor Quincy Jones if you read something on how they view biracial children would define their kids as Black.

Dem babies are not Michael Jacksons biological children

^^^ @ musicjunky318 Oh yeah sure, when it comes to MJ mysteries, the most accurate source is obviously TMZ and those "multiple *nameless* sources", Glad somebody's sane!

when it comes to this 'Are they biological kids or not?' drama, the only way we'll know for sure is through DNA testing and you can bet it's not gonna happen for at least a while. Allow me to remind you, y'all are just a nobody who lives on Prince fansite, you know just as much as every other Michael Jackson fan knows when it comes to this issue; NOTHING.

So why don't u all just believe whatever the hell you'd like, but just KNOW that there could be other possibilities. If you do that, there's NOTHING to argue about, and there's no reason why you should think someone who believes they are actually MJ's kids is completely insane. It's really not that hard LOL!

Anyways, what Gladys Knight said was low. Doesn't matter whether it was meant to be taken figuratively or not, honestly, do u think she could have said that to a child if the child had mother and father?

Also, You don't hear expressions like "this person deserves to get murdered, that person deserves to get raped". Saying a child deserves to get her teeth knocked out shouldn't be ok either, and that is NOT to say spanking is equivalent to abuse, @ whoever the hell brought that one up.

Free2BMe said:

Free2BMe said:

LOL at a Janet stanatic calling someone a "lunatic"! You poor,poor baby.

me being a janet 'fan',( ive never acted fanatic or stanish for nobody), has nothing to do with your total delusion and never never land mentality. you need to relax before you end up on bed rest in arizona, its not this serious.

Emancipation89 said:

^^^ @ musicjunky318 Oh yeah sure, when it comes to MJ mysteries, the most accurate source is obviously TMZ and those "multiple *nameless* sources", Glad somebody's sane!

when it comes to this 'Are they biological kids or not?' drama, the only way we'll know for sure is through DNA testing and you can bet it's not gonna happen for at least a while. Allow me to remind you, y'all are just a nobody who lives on Prince fansite, you know just as much as every other Michael Jackson fan knows when it comes to this issue; NOTHING.

So why don't u all just believe whatever the hell you'd like, but just KNOW that there could be other possibilities. If you do that, there's NOTHING to argue about, and there's no reason why you should think someone who believes they are actually MJ's kids is completely insane. It's really not that hard LOL!

Anyways, what Gladys Knight said was low. Doesn't matter whether it was meant to be taken figuratively or not, honestly, do u think she could have said that to a child if the child had mother and father?

Also, You don't hear expressions like "this person deserves to get murdered, that person deserves to get raped". Saying a child deserves to get her teeth knocked out shouldn't be ok either, and that is NOT to say spanking is equivalent to abuse, @ whoever the hell brought that one up.

CynicKill said:

Free2BMe said:

Damn, black people can't we get this story correct? The media said that Janet SLAPPED Paris and then said that Paris called Janet a "bitch". Neither of these things happened. Paris said that Janet did NOT slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

How the fuck can people still be so stupid over this shit? Neither of these things happened. Btw, how the hell is Gladys going to talk about "knocking someone's teeth out" when her OWN son was taken from her at one time? Btw, all of this talk from some blackl acting as if this is the way it is in our culture, is some "country ass" shit. Not ALL black people believe in that kind of thing. I am a STERN believer in discipline. My parents were also, and not one damn time were my kids teeth knocked out or were my siblings and I "teeth knocked out". So, don't act as if all of us believe in that mentality, in order to discipline our children. The bottomline is that people need to get the FACTS before they run off talking about shit they know fuck about.

Btw, Janet had no damn business running up in Paris face(as the surveillance video showed) and trying to block her from going into her house and THEN trying to snatch her cell phone. Do you people know of ANY 14 year-old who would let someone just run up in their face and try to block them from going in their OWN house and then snatch the cell phone- aunt or no aunt. Especially when that aunt is a liar and trying to stop that child from asking about her grandparent and trying to stop that child from exposing her and the rest of the Jacksons in a LIE. You can bet that even Janet at 14 wouldn't have allowed someone to do that to her in the same situation. This hypocrisy from some black people who endorse what happened is a sad reflection on our race.

Janet looked like a freaking BULLY as she and Randy ran up on these kids as they were returning from school. On top of that, Janet stuck HER phone in Paris face and began trying to provoke her by taking photos. Paris was the one acting mature by TRYING to ignore Janet and walk past her. Janet continued to follow Paris and take Photos. Randy even pulled Janet away from Paris as then both Randy and Janet were taking photos on their cell phones like two middle-school bullies.

What's even sadder for people like Gladys Knight and other Jackson Family defenders is that you/they are too damn ignorant to actually look at the FACTS. The FACTS are right there on the video and still you have idiots spewing lies. I can tell you this: If Janet had run upon my child and did what she did to Paris, then Janet wouldn't have any teeth. Respect is earned and Janet did NOT deserve any respect for what she did. Gladys Knight is one of those ignorant people, I don't give a fuck if she is a legend, who needs to STFU until she knows the facts. Btw, I would have no problem telling her or anyone else that to their face. Its' patheitc how SOME black people are turning this into a RACE thing, when it has shit to do with that. Paris Jackson is BLACK. Her Dad, Michael Jackson was black and her mother, Debbie Rowe is white. If the daddy is black, a child is considered black. I don't give a fuck how she looks, she is black. Just like Rashida Jones, Quincy Jones' daughter looks as white as Paris; however, Rashida is BLACK because Quincy is black. It doesn't matter that Rashida Jones mother, Peggy Lipton is white.

Black people need to get over this race shit concerning this situation. The Jacksons-Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy are responsible for EVERYTHING that has happened and they are BLACK, also. Black people stop the fuckery! All of us don't subscribe to that ignorant bullshit!!!

Finally, according to Katherine Jackson herself she has said in EVERY interview that Michael's kids are very well-mannered, smart and all-around GOOD KIDS! Are you black people who are defending Janet's actions saying that Katherine is a LIAR? Michael's kids don't need discipline. They are already disciplined because that's the way that Michael raised them. Michael did all the work, Katherine is just their guardian/grandmother. You people act as if these children are little toddlers and Katherine has to do all of the "raising". Her job is to be there for them, love them, guide them.

Damn, I am disappointed in some my people (Thank God, it is not all of us) who are doing everything to dismiss what the Jacksons have caused and trying to blame a child, just because some of you don't feel that she is black. The ignorance is stifling.Wake the fuck up!

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This is a harsh post.

But if I were one to look for subtext in this post I could point out that you referred to blacks as country-ass and ignorant, whereas Paris (who projects white) is smart, tough, no pushover.

The Jackson's are percieved to be sneaky, triflin and dumb and they also got outsmarted by some kids who people see as white.

I'm not saying any of this is factual but when you look at it this way it was only a matter of time before there was some racial context added to the debate.

I took a mass communication course once and it was enlightening. The Jackson's are personally responsible for their own image. But from a mass media perspective they're another dysfunctional black family in America. And we all look, discuss and debate, as if they've created dysfunction.

Sweetie, you are trying too hard. Whatever I said in that post was from MY perspective, a black perspecitive. Gladys is a black woman who said that Paris needed her "teeth knocked out". Most of the defenders of what she said are black. I don't agree with that ignorant, country-ass thinking and I am black.

What the Jacksons-Janet, Randy, Jermaine and Rebbie did in THIS situation is sneaky,deceitful, cowardly, triflin AND dumb. I don't give a damm if they were white, black, green, yellow or blue. The shit that they pulled has to be the dumbest shit that I have ever heard of.

It was DUMB to write, sign, and release a letter to the MEDIA(they did it, not a 14 year-old girl with the LIE that Katherine had a "mini-stroke" because of the Estate of Michael Jackson executors. It was equally cowardly and deceptive to act as if they wanted to keep their family matters private when it was the ADULTS who released this letter to the media, not a 14 year old girl.

It was SNEAKY to USE their own mother in this deceit when it was revealed by Katherine's doctor and HER that she did NOT have a stroke. A 14 year-old girl challenged the assertion that her grandmother was ill and said that she did NOT have a stroke. This is shit to do with color or one's skin, this child was concerned for her grandmother. Sadly, she was more concerned than Katherine's OWN children because they are the ones who lied.Still, people like Gladys Knight and other black people say that this girl is being disrespectful because she wants to speak to her guardian and her Aunt Janet won't allow it and wants to take her cell phone to keep her from communicating with Michael's fans about the situation. A sneaky effort to silence because Janet and Co. plan is backfiring. Had nothing to do with concern for Katherine Jackson's welfare of family privacy. Had everything to do with being EXPOSED and doing damage control.

It was DECEITFUL to take Katherine to a place and not allow her to use a phone on the pretence that it was under doctor's orders. Katherine's doctor said that he did no such thing. These people basically used a "fake" doctor in this deceit. It is TRIFLIN to know that these three MINOR children are left panicking and not knowing the real reason for the 'stroke'LIE and not being allowed to even talk to their guardian/grandmother for 10 days. This charade would still be going on IF a 15 year-old boy had not tweeted a letter and a screen capture of a conversation between Rebbie, Austin and Janet. This tweet PLEADED with these people to allow him and his siblings to talk to their grandmother. Janet's reply was shocking-"Don't let them, please." What AUNT who had any kind of morals or heart would do that to her niece and nephews. Prince Michael Jackson, Jr.'s tweet derailed this scheme.

It is COWARDLY for Janet and Co. to sit back and allow these children to be berated because of something that she and her other adult siblings did. The worst part is that the Janet stanatics and Jackson Family Defenders are trying to paint this girl as out of control ONLY because of her concern for her grandmother. Just think, IF this child had not questioned her aunts and uncles behavior, NONE of us would have known what was happening. Instead of applauding this girl, you have people in my community who are angry because she exposed a Jackson for doing wrong and trying to deceive fans the public and media in attempt to manipulate Michael's will.

If you want to put cowardly, deceitful manipulative, sneaky people like that on a pedastle, go ahead. Shame on anyone defending these people just because you are the same race that they are. I don't give the Jacksons a pass for doing this just because they/ I am black and that is exactly what some are doing. What Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy have done is beyond reprehensible. These cowards have done what you would expect from outside sources. Yet, these people are FAMILY to Michael's three children. Michael trusted his mother with his children and Janet and Co. deceived him. The Jacksons involved in this scam have only themselves to blame. I will not defend their actions just because I am the sane race as they are. I wouldn't defend their actions if they were white or any other race. Right is right and wrong is wrong. These people-Janet, Rebbie, Rendy and Jermaine were WRONG. Race shouldn't have anything to do with this situation, but; we have black people treating these children as if they are not Jacksons because they don't look "black enough" or "look white". What a pile of shit! Fuck all of that, these children are as much Jacksons as ANYONE in that family and there is not a damn thing that defenders or anyone in that family can do about it.

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Oh for the love of god mods please lock all these Jackson related threads or just

ban them all for a month. I don't give a damn if it's an MJ thread, Janet, Jermaine,

Marlon, or BEBe and Reebie, or the new found super heroine Paris Jackson. It's just

turned into one big bitchfest. Thank god football season is near.

phunkdaddy said:

Oh for the love of god mods please lock all these Jackson related threads or just

ban them all for a month. I don't give a damn if it's an MJ thread, Janet, Jermaine,

Marlon, or BEBe and Reebie, or the new found super heroine Paris Jackson. It's just

turned into one big bitchfest. Thank god football season is near.

Just wondering, why do people come into a thread and THEN bitch about what is happening in THAT thread? It just doesn't make any sense.

^I wonder the same thing. And LOL @ the how the Jackson family drama has taken over the org this past week There have been what----4, 5 or more epic threads about this posted here in the past week? Really surprised that this thread hasnt been locked yet.

looks how many views and comments that the Jackson threads get they are clearly the topic of choice,in this forum!

up the reported bitchfest.