LiLi1992 said:

MJ never beat his children, so any of his relatives have no right to beat them. It's simple and obvious. Although Paris - a complicated and spoiled child.
PS I am against excessive physical violence used against children, especially teenagers. a "knock your teeth" - is generally sadism. I do not know what a person can adequately support such "education". I feel sorry for their children.

Just wondering how you know that Paris is a "complicated and spoiled child". Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE, who has interviewed, been around, spoken to her, etc. has said that Paris is a very well-mannered, non-spoiled young girl. Even her OWN grandmother has said in every interview that I have watched that Paris AND her siblings are very well-mannered children. Where does this "spoiled" stuff come from? Is it because Paris spoke up when she read the LIE that Randy, Janet, Jermaine and Rebbie perpetuated in the letter? Is she spoiled and complicated because she and her brothers said that their grandmother did NOT have a stroke and that they had not spoken to her in 10 days? How does that mean that she is "spoiled and complicated"? Have you ever seen ANYthing to show that she is spoiled before this Jackson scehme ensued? Let's not deflect from the situation at hand. The Jacksons-Janet, Randy, Rebbie, Jermaine- were BUSTED by a children whose only concern was the welfare of their grandmother. That does not make Paris "spoiled or complicated" because she spoke out on the lies that Janet and Co. were perpetuating.

is not the case in this conflict, I am rather on the side of kids here.
I think that Michael well cared for children and they were really nice, while they were with him, but now I see Paris as a very arrogant girl. This can be seen in the photo, which she puts ... in the comments, which she does on Twitter. She loves the attention of the public and behaves like a star, although personally Paris has no merit. Her father is Michael Jackson, but she is still just a little girl to give autographs to fans.
It is my opinion and my observations, if you think that Paris modest and well mannered girl - this is also just your subjective opinion.

LiLi1992 said:

is not the case in this conflict, I am rather on the side of kids here.
I think that Michael well cared for children and they were really nice, while they were with him, but now I see Paris as a very arrogant girl. This can be seen in the photo, which she puts ... in the comments, which she does on Twitter. She loves the attention of the public and behaves like a star, although personally Paris has no merit. Her father is Michael Jackson, but she is still just a little girl to give autographs to fans.
It is my opinion and my observations, if you think that Paris modest and well mannered girl - this is also just your subjective opinion.

You are right, it is my subjective opinion, just as it is yours. I have not seen the arrogance that you claim to have seen. I have watched this young girl in interviews and there is not one ounce of arrogance. I know arrogance when I see it. I don't care if she is Michael's daughter, IF she was arrogant, I would say it. Actually, I can't stand arrogant kids, it doesn't matter who their father OR mother is. Paris doesn't behave like a star. She WANTS to be a star and has made that known. Her Dad, Michael,told Barbara Walters that he supported his children in WHATEVER endeavor they wanted in life. Her comments on twitter have nothing to do with arrogance. She sounds like a typical 14-year old girl who happens to be outspoken. Thank goodness, she was outspoken and not a shrinking violet in THIS situation. If she had not been outspoken we, the public,would never have been exposed to what Janet and Co. were doing. Paris is outspoken, intelligent, wise beyond her years, etc. that doesn't make her arrogant, IMO. I haven't read anyone else say that she is arrogant UNTIL defenders of the Jacksons began saying it with this Jackson Family fiasco. I can say that she LOVES to be on twitter, thank God for that because of the attempted Jackson scam. I do wish that she wouldn't respond to everything that detractors say; however, again if she hadn't responded to Randy's LIE about Katherine's "mini-stroke", we would have never known what Janet, Randy and Co. were planning and instigating.

It's okay to disagree. However, I would be willing to bet that you won't find anyone who actually knows Paris or has been around her who would say that she was arrogant and that she behaves like a "star". For the record, Paris IS a star not because she ACTS like one, just because of who her father is-the most famous person on the planet. That does not make her arrogant or anything else. It's just the truth.

Analyst said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I don't believe in corporal punishment, but if she was my kid, the damn cell phone is the first thing she'll relinquish. Shut down all the public social media accounts. if she wants one, she gets one under a moniker and has a few close friends. No damn fans or trolls...

I wonder if she's ever been "grounded".

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I believe in it, and I heartily endorse it, because my parents used it and we all turned out okay. There's definitely a right way to do it, and a wrong way. I don't think spankings are wrong period just because some people overdo it and for the wrong reasons.

And honestly, I don't see how much damage in terms of discipline, confiscating a cellphone alone, would do. Then again I'm not a teenager and didn't grow up with a cellphone during those years, so maybe I don't "get" how effective a punishment that can be on its own, I don't know.

...You know what? We have no way of knowing how MJ was disciplining his kids, obviously. But my wager is that he was a pretty soft disciplinarian. Am I saying he was a shitty parent? No, I don't believe he was. He was probably great when it comes to the more nurturing side of parenting - giving love and support. But I have a feeling that when it came time to put a foot down and draw a line in the sand, he was more the type to start handing out lollipops instead.

Editing to add that I agree that the Twitter accounts should be shut down. I never understood why his kids are on there in the first place, and especially, interacting with the MJ fan community? A high percentage of the fan community is extremely mentally unstable, there's no way in hell they should be on there interacting with them.

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Why shoud Paris and Prince twitter accounts be shut down? Is it because these kids EXPOSED Janet and Co. LIES and Scheme. I am going to say this again-THANK GOD that these kids had twitter accounts. IF they hadn't the lie that Katherine had a "mini-stroke" would have prevailed. FTR, Katherine has confirmed that she did NOT have a stroke. IF these kids had not had a Twitter account, then Janet and Co. would have kept Katherine out of the public eye indefinently until the public fell for their scam. IF these kids did not have a twitter account, Janet and Co, would have CONTINUED to lie and keep those kids from seeing their GranParent. If these kids did not have a twitter account, then Prince would not have been able to effectively SHUT DOWN Janet and Co with his revelatory tweet and "screen prints." This is the very reason why Janet and Co. are quiet and walking around with their tail between their legs. Janet and Co. KNOW that what Prince said in his tweet was 100% correct. Janet and Co. also know that if they continue with these lies, they will be exposed again.

The huge majority of Janet stans and Defenders are delusional and refuse to believe that she is involved with this mess when it is BLATANTLY staring them in the face. The bottomline is that IF these kids had not been on twitter, Janet and Co. would have gotten away with a despicable lie and basically a crime. This is more than just Jackson Family mess, this is sabotage, intimidation, bullying, greedy tactics to get control of Michael's estate and manipulation of the public for their own selfish agenda.

I am still wondering how Janet is going to lie and spin her way out of this. Of course, she knows that her fans are delusional and will forgive her for anything, even if she has been exposed as the culprit. It's not only sad, it is downright embarrassing the lengths that the Janet stans and Jackson defenders will go to try and DEFLECT from the evidence in this situation. This is not about what someone falsely accused the Jacksons of doing. they did it to THEMSELVES and were caught red-handed.Lord, help these defenders to "see the light."

Free2BMe said:

RnBAmbassador said:

This goes to show the culture difference. A Black child that would have called her Aunti a "bitch" would be on life support.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/0...out-teeth/

I agree with Ms. Knight whole-heartedly.

Damn, black people can't we get this story correct? The media said that Janet SLAPPED Paris and then said that Paris called Janet a "bitch". Neither of these things happened. Paris said that Janet did NOT slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

How the fuck can people still be so stupid over this shit? Neither of these things happened. Btw, how the hell is Gladys going to talk about "knocking someone's teeth out" when her OWN son was taken from her at one time? Btw, all of this talk from some blackl acting as if this is the way it is in our culture, is some "country ass" shit. Not ALL black people believe in that kind of thing. I am a STERN believer in discipline. My parents were also, and not one damn time were my kids teeth knocked out or were my siblings and I "teeth knocked out". So, don't act as if all of us believe in that mentality, in order to discipline our children. The bottomline is that people need to get the FACTS before they run off talking about shit they know fuck about.

Btw, Janet had no damn business running up in Paris face(as the surveillance video showed) and trying to block her from going into her house and THEN trying to snatch her cell phone. Do you people know of ANY 14 year-old who would let someone just run up in their face and try to block them from going in their OWN house and then snatch the cell phone- aunt or no aunt. Especially when that aunt is a liar and trying to stop that child from asking about her grandparent and trying to stop that child from exposing her and the rest of the Jacksons in a LIE. You can bet that even Janet at 14 wouldn't have allowed someone to do that to her in the same situation. This hypocrisy from some black people who endorse what happened is a sad reflection on our race.

Janet looked like a freaking BULLY as she and Randy ran up on these kids as they were returning from school. On top of that, Janet stuck HER phone in Paris face and began trying to provoke her by taking photos. Paris was the one acting mature by TRYING to ignore Janet and walk past her. Janet continued to follow Paris and take Photos. Randy even pulled Janet away from Paris as then both Randy and Janet were taking photos on their cell phones like two middle-school bullies.

What's even sadder for people like Gladys Knight and other Jackson Family defenders is that you/they are too damn ignorant to actually look at the FACTS. The FACTS are right there on the video and still you have idiots spewing lies. I can tell you this: If Janet had run upon my child and did what she did to Paris, then Janet wouldn't have any teeth. Respect is earned and Janet did NOT deserve any respect for what she did. Gladys Knight is one of those ignorant people, I don't give a fuck if she is a legend, who needs to STFU until she knows the facts. Btw, I would have no problem telling her or anyone else that to their face. Its' patheitc how SOME black people are turning this into a RACE thing, when it has shit to do with that. Paris Jackson is BLACK. Her Dad, Michael Jackson was black and her mother, Debbie Rowe is white. If the daddy is black, a child is considered black. I don't give a fuck how she looks, she is black. Just like Rashida Jones, Quincy Jones' daughter looks as white as Paris; however, Rashida is BLACK because Quincy is black. It doesn't matter that Rashida Jones mother, Peggy Lipton is white.

Black people need to get over this race shit concerning this situation. The Jacksons-Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy are responsible for EVERYTHING that has happened and they are BLACK, also. Black people stop the fuckery! All of us don't subscribe to that ignorant bullshit!!!

Finally, according to Katherine Jackson herself she has said in EVERY interview that Michael's kids are very well-mannered, smart and all-around GOOD KIDS! Are you black people who are defending Janet's actions saying that Katherine is a LIAR? Michael's kids don't need discipline. They are already disciplined because that's the way that Michael raised them. Michael did all the work, Katherine is just their guardian/grandmother. You people act as if these children are little toddlers and Katherine has to do all of the "raising". Her job is to be there for them, love them, guide them.

Damn, I am disappointed in some my people (Thank God, it is not all of us) who are doing everything to dismiss what the Jacksons have caused and trying to blame a child, just because some of you don't feel that she is black. The ignorance is stifling.Wake the fuck up!

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Amen. I agree with almost everything you said.

Free2BMe said:

musicjunky318 said:

^ Oh stop it. You know she wasn't being literal. That's how the old timers talk when it comes to disciplining children.

Of course, I knw that she was speaking figuratively, and not literally. However, it's the context in which she said it and the REASON that she said it. Her REASON was not valid. Gladys spoke on something that she didn't have the FACTS. Therefore, she should have kept her old ass mouth closed. There is no excuse for what she said when it had also been reported that Paris did NOT cuss Janet out and that Janet did NOT slap Paris. The sad thing is that you have black people agreeing with her because they are also too lazy to know the facts.

If that's the case then not a single person should not have spoken on the panel, nor should anyone have opened their mouths here on this board. People, the show is THE VIEW: the premise of the Hot Topics segment is for the panel to comment on what the latest stories are in the news from politics to entertainment. She made remarks on the information that was given to her from the hosts and producers. It wasn't until much later (after family members confirmed that no such altercation had happened between Paris and Janet), that the facts were established and in some cases retracted by credible news sources. The sudden witch hunt against Gladys for simply expressing an opinion based on what she's heard is silly, particularly given that many of us are on chat boards doing the same exact thing, using resources known to be directly from the gutter and not from established scions of American news media.

Gladys is right.....young children should always respect their elders.

but this particular situation is so complex and ugly.The children know what's going on here...they know that certain family members are up to no good,they were lied to,and they chose to fight back.I can't blame them.

As Paris gets older,the Jacksons are gonna find that she is a force to be reckoned with She can see right through their bullshit and games.

Paris Jackson has already misunderstood the basic concept behind her existence in the world. Her father was famous. She is a nobody. You have followers on Twitter because of your father! They read what you post because of your father. Without your father you'd be some random white chick rambling on about utter nonsense. Accept your true place in the firmament and delve deeper into your oncoming obscurity. Let it take you. Silence child!

Identity said:

Four-times married old buzzard should stop prying into the affairs of others and take care of her own household.

Why am I posting on a thread that's certain to get locked tomorrow?

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Why are you gettin sensitive and catching feelings for? What Gladys Knight said is true. Someone needs to teach that lil girl some respect and manners.

HonestMan13 said:

Paris Jackson has already misunderstood the basic concept behind her existence in the world. Her father was famous. She is a nobody. You have followers on Twitter because of your father! They read what you post because of your father. Without your father you'd be some random white chick rambling on about utter nonsense. Accept your true place in the firmament and delve deeper into your oncoming obscurity. Let it take you. Silence child!

I could not have said it, better myself. Also, regardless of what is going on within her family, she should NOT be broadcasting every detail of it, on Twitter. In the words of one one of her uncle Jermaine's songs, "Some Things Are Private"....

HonestMan13 said:

Paris Jackson has already misunderstood the basic concept behind her existence in the world. Her father was famous. She is a nobody. You have followers on Twitter because of your father! They read what you post because of your father. Without your father you'd be some random white chick rambling on about utter nonsense. Accept your true place in the firmament and delve deeper into your oncoming obscurity. Let it take you. Silence child!

Agreed. Silence child!

These children have no father, no mother ... they are not the blood of the Jacksons ... I think that is very, very hard for them to live in this family (that's my opinion), so they need to keep in touch with the world through social network, it is certain warranty and support for them.
PS I am afraid of people who support a woman offering "knock out the teeth of the child" who disrespected (and it was a reaction to the disrespect shown to him) .. there is something wrong in this society.
Paris is not a simple girl, but no one in this family has no right to physically punish her. Point!

LiLi1992 said:

These children have no father, no mother ... they are not the blood of the Jacksons ... I think that is very, very hard for them to live in this family (that's my opinion), so they need to keep in touch with the world through social network, it is certain warranty and support for them.
PS I am afraid of people who support a woman offering "knock out the teeth of the child" who disrespected (and it was a reaction to the disrespect shown to him) .. there is something wrong in this society.
Paris is not a simple girl, but no one in this family has no right to physically punish her. Point!

In the same token, bounderies need to be set as well as a need for all three of the to learn that there are consequences for your actions. Paris might not be a "simple girl", but she sure is acting like one. She is old enough to know that, you do not air your dirty laundry out in public, especially if you are a "Jackson". As for Gladys' statement, I agree with the sentiment of it....No child should disrespect an elder, and if they choose to do so, then they deserve what is coming to them.

^ Oh, come on, Jackson family did not know anything about raising children.

Joseph brutally beat children, they knew the "border", but are they grew up normal people?? I do not think so. They are either lazy and greedy, or infantile, or with large eccentricities. Violence is not a panacea.

Free2BMe said:

Analyst said:

I believe in it, and I heartily endorse it, because my parents used it and we all turned out okay. There's definitely a right way to do it, and a wrong way. I don't think spankings are wrong period just because some people overdo it and for the wrong reasons.

And honestly, I don't see how much damage in terms of discipline, confiscating a cellphone alone, would do. Then again I'm not a teenager and didn't grow up with a cellphone during those years, so maybe I don't "get" how effective a punishment that can be on its own, I don't know.

...You know what? We have no way of knowing how MJ was disciplining his kids, obviously. But my wager is that he was a pretty soft disciplinarian. Am I saying he was a shitty parent? No, I don't believe he was. He was probably great when it comes to the more nurturing side of parenting - giving love and support. But I have a feeling that when it came time to put a foot down and draw a line in the sand, he was more the type to start handing out lollipops instead.

Editing to add that I agree that the Twitter accounts should be shut down. I never understood why his kids are on there in the first place, and especially, interacting with the MJ fan community? A high percentage of the fan community is extremely mentally unstable, there's no way in hell they should be on there interacting with them.

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Why shoud Paris and Prince twitter accounts be shut down? Is it because these kids EXPOSED Janet and Co. LIES and Scheme. I am going to say this again-THANK GOD that these kids had twitter accounts. IF they hadn't the lie that Katherine had a "mini-stroke" would have prevailed. FTR, Katherine has confirmed that she did NOT have a stroke. IF these kids had not had a Twitter account, then Janet and Co. would have kept Katherine out of the public eye indefinently until the public fell for their scam. IF these kids did not have a twitter account, Janet and Co, would have CONTINUED to lie and keep those kids from seeing their GranParent. If these kids did not have a twitter account, then Prince would not have been able to effectively SHUT DOWN Janet and Co with his revelatory tweet and "screen prints." This is the very reason why Janet and Co. are quiet and walking around with their tail between their legs. Janet and Co. KNOW that what Prince said in his tweet was 100% correct. Janet and Co. also know that if they continue with these lies, they will be exposed again.

The huge majority of Janet stans and Defenders are delusional and refuse to believe that she is involved with this mess when it is BLATANTLY staring them in the face. The bottomline is that IF these kids had not been on twitter, Janet and Co. would have gotten away with a despicable lie and basically a crime. This is more than just Jackson Family mess, this is sabotage, intimidation, bullying, greedy tactics to get control of Michael's estate and manipulation of the public for their own selfish agenda.

I am still wondering how Janet is going to lie and spin her way out of this. Of course, she knows that her fans are delusional and will forgive her for anything, even if she has been exposed as the culprit. It's not only sad, it is downright embarrassing the lengths that the Janet stans and Jackson defenders will go to try and DEFLECT from the evidence in this situation. This is not about what someone falsely accused the Jacksons of doing. they did it to THEMSELVES and were caught red-handed.Lord, help these defenders to "see the light."

lord knows i have been very vocal about my concern about paris' twitter account. it's not private, anyone can get to her, at her, and therefore i've been concerned about her safety and well being. i know that if i had a 14-year old, she wouldn't be on twitter the way paris has.

HOWEVER, i wholeheartedly agree: i'm glad in this instance that she did have twitter. the only reason this blew up was b/c someone on twitter asked about that ridiculous letter and paris TOLD THE TRUTH. she said that her grandmother did not have a stroke, something that kat has now confirmed. janet and randy did not have any good intent in trying to take away her iphone. they weren't doing it out of any concern; if they had been concerned about her twitter usage, they would have convinced their mother to put boundaries up in the first damn place. no, this was about them trying to control paris and to cover their own asses over that letter. people should stop trying to defend them by saying paris should "respect her elders". not in this case, that logic does not apply in this case.

moreover, in her interview with oprah, paris apparently talked about mj grounding her for misbehavior, and by all accounts, the kids were exceptionally well-behaved when he was alive. just b/c he didn't use corporal punishment doesn't mean mj was a pushover in the discipline department. if paris is running amok now, i put that at katherine's feet.

Free2BMe said:

Analyst said:

I believe in it, and I heartily endorse it, because my parents used it and we all turned out okay. There's definitely a right way to do it, and a wrong way. I don't think spankings are wrong period just because some people overdo it and for the wrong reasons.

And honestly, I don't see how much damage in terms of discipline, confiscating a cellphone alone, would do. Then again I'm not a teenager and didn't grow up with a cellphone during those years, so maybe I don't "get" how effective a punishment that can be on its own, I don't know.

...You know what? We have no way of knowing how MJ was disciplining his kids, obviously. But my wager is that he was a pretty soft disciplinarian. Am I saying he was a shitty parent? No, I don't believe he was. He was probably great when it comes to the more nurturing side of parenting - giving love and support. But I have a feeling that when it came time to put a foot down and draw a line in the sand, he was more the type to start handing out lollipops instead.

Editing to add that I agree that the Twitter accounts should be shut down. I never understood why his kids are on there in the first place, and especially, interacting with the MJ fan community? A high percentage of the fan community is extremely mentally unstable, there's no way in hell they should be on there interacting with them.

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Why shoud Paris and Prince twitter accounts be shut down? Is it because these kids EXPOSED Janet and Co. LIES and Scheme. I am going to say this again-THANK GOD that these kids had twitter accounts. IF they hadn't the lie that Katherine had a "mini-stroke" would have prevailed. FTR, Katherine has confirmed that she did NOT have a stroke. IF these kids had not had a Twitter account, then Janet and Co. would have kept Katherine out of the public eye indefinently until the public fell for their scam. IF these kids did not have a twitter account, Janet and Co, would have CONTINUED to lie and keep those kids from seeing their GranParent. If these kids did not have a twitter account, then Prince would not have been able to effectively SHUT DOWN Janet and Co with his revelatory tweet and "screen prints." This is the very reason why Janet and Co. are quiet and walking around with their tail between their legs. Janet and Co. KNOW that what Prince said in his tweet was 100% correct. Janet and Co. also know that if they continue with these lies, they will be exposed again.

The huge majority of Janet stans and Defenders are delusional and refuse to believe that she is involved with this mess when it is BLATANTLY staring them in the face. The bottomline is that IF these kids had not been on twitter, Janet and Co. would have gotten away with a despicable lie and basically a crime. This is more than just Jackson Family mess, this is sabotage, intimidation, bullying, greedy tactics to get control of Michael's estate and manipulation of the public for their own selfish agenda.

I am still wondering how Janet is going to lie and spin her way out of this. Of course, she knows that her fans are delusional and will forgive her for anything, even if she has been exposed as the culprit. It's not only sad, it is downright embarrassing the lengths that the Janet stans and Jackson defenders will go to try and DEFLECT from the evidence in this situation. This is not about what someone falsely accused the Jacksons of doing. they did it to THEMSELVES and were caught red-handed.Lord, help these defenders to "see the light."

Free, I'm not a Jackson family defender. I'm glad she did say that her uncles and aunts were mistaken about Ms. Katherine's health. I like Paris's outspokenness when it comes to defending her father (as seen on her various tv interviews).

What I don't approve of is this girl having social media when her every move is being scrutinized. Yeah, she's a teenager, but she's not just any teenager. I think she's way too young and hasn't gotten enough world experience to conduct herself in a manner that's befitting of Michael Jackson's daughter. Also...all those people who follow are crazy, nit-witted, out of their damn mind MJ stans who she really shouldn't be around. The vast majority of them are completely unstable. For gosh's sakes, during the trial one of them sent her autopsy photos of her DAD!

If they have to have public accounts, let publicists release statements that are appriopriate to satisfy these nutjobs. It would be a lot safer.

But that of course, is just my personal opinion. I love young Paris, and I really don't want anything terrible to happen to her or her brothers.

I wish sometimes Debbie would have a talk with her...she would listen I'd think.

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LiLi1992 said:

These children have no father, no mother ... they are not the blood of the Jacksons ... I think that is very, very hard for them to live in this family (that's my opinion), so they need to keep in touch with the world through social network, it is certain warranty and support for them.
PS I am afraid of people who support a woman offering "knock out the teeth of the child" who disrespected (and it was a reaction to the disrespect shown to him) .. there is something wrong in this society.
Paris is not a simple girl, but no one in this family has no right to physically punish her. Point!

It's called a figure of speech. It's not to be taken literally.

LiLi1992 said:

^ Oh, come on, Jackson family did not know anything about raising children.

Joseph brutally beat children, they knew the "border", but are they grew up normal people?? I do not think so. They are either lazy and greedy, or infantile, or with large eccentricities. Violence is not a panacea.

Beating was commonplace. Joe's grandfather was a slave - I'm sure he was privy to a good beating.

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Who knew Gladys would catch hell for a figure of speech? It seems so many took what she said, literally. I honestly don't think Gladys would knock a child's teeth out. I remember in grade school, teachers would tell some kids they need their mouths washed out with soap, if a kid swore at or disrespected a teacher. The teacher didn't mean they would actually take a bar of soap, put it in the child's mouth and wash it out. Gladys was basically saying (before the facts came out about the incident not really happening), that Paris needed better disciplining, because she thought Paris called her Aunt a bitch. Which if one of my nieces called me a bitch, you damn right her parents would discipline her for that. Nothing wrong with teaching respect.

Also, it's a shame the whole thing was made public. This is what MJ tried to protect his kids from;from the vultures in the media, paparazzi, and crazy, obsessed fans, hoping to get as much info on his kids and private family affairs of his family. Hopefully MJ's kids have been schooled to be careful of the vultures out there who may try to exploit them, as well as staying away from obsessed fans. Maybe this is what some of the adult Jacksons are trying to do, as none of us know what really goes on behind those closed doors. So people could have their opinions about that family, but at the end of the day, how they raise or look over MJ's kids is their family business.

Free2BMe said:

RnBAmbassador said:

This goes to show the culture difference. A Black child that would have called her Aunti a "bitch" would be on life support.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/0...out-teeth/

I agree with Ms. Knight whole-heartedly.

Damn, black people can't we get this story correct? The media said that Janet SLAPPED Paris and then said that Paris called Janet a "bitch". Neither of these things happened. Paris said that Janet did NOT slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

How the fuck can people still be so stupid over this shit? Neither of these things happened. Btw, how the hell is Gladys going to talk about "knocking someone's teeth out" when her OWN son was taken from her at one time? Btw, all of this talk from some blackl acting as if this is the way it is in our culture, is some "country ass" shit. Not ALL black people believe in that kind of thing. I am a STERN believer in discipline. My parents were also, and not one damn time were my kids teeth knocked out or were my siblings and I "teeth knocked out". So, don't act as if all of us believe in that mentality, in order to discipline our children. The bottomline is that people need to get the FACTS before they run off talking about shit they know fuck about.

Btw, Janet had no damn business running up in Paris face(as the surveillance video showed) and trying to block her from going into her house and THEN trying to snatch her cell phone. Do you people know of ANY 14 year-old who would let someone just run up in their face and try to block them from going in their OWN house and then snatch the cell phone- aunt or no aunt. Especially when that aunt is a liar and trying to stop that child from asking about her grandparent and trying to stop that child from exposing her and the rest of the Jacksons in a LIE. You can bet that even Janet at 14 wouldn't have allowed someone to do that to her in the same situation. This hypocrisy from some black people who endorse what happened is a sad reflection on our race.

Janet looked like a freaking BULLY as she and Randy ran up on these kids as they were returning from school. On top of that, Janet stuck HER phone in Paris face and began trying to provoke her by taking photos. Paris was the one acting mature by TRYING to ignore Janet and walk past her. Janet continued to follow Paris and take Photos. Randy even pulled Janet away from Paris as then both Randy and Janet were taking photos on their cell phones like two middle-school bullies.

What's even sadder for people like Gladys Knight and other Jackson Family defenders is that you/they are too damn ignorant to actually look at the FACTS. The FACTS are right there on the video and still you have idiots spewing lies. I can tell you this: If Janet had run upon my child and did what she did to Paris, then Janet wouldn't have any teeth. Respect is earned and Janet did NOT deserve any respect for what she did. Gladys Knight is one of those ignorant people, I don't give a fuck if she is a legend, who needs to STFU until she knows the facts. Btw, I would have no problem telling her or anyone else that to their face. Its' patheitc how SOME black people are turning this into a RACE thing, when it has shit to do with that. Paris Jackson is BLACK. Her Dad, Michael Jackson was black and her mother, Debbie Rowe is white. If the daddy is black, a child is considered black. I don't give a fuck how she looks, she is black. Just like Rashida Jones, Quincy Jones' daughter looks as white as Paris; however, Rashida is BLACK because Quincy is black. It doesn't matter that Rashida Jones mother, Peggy Lipton is white.

Black people need to get over this race shit concerning this situation. The Jacksons-Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy are responsible for EVERYTHING that has happened and they are BLACK, also. Black people stop the fuckery! All of us don't subscribe to that ignorant bullshit!!!

Finally, according to Katherine Jackson herself she has said in EVERY interview that Michael's kids are very well-mannered, smart and all-around GOOD KIDS! Are you black people who are defending Janet's actions saying that Katherine is a LIAR? Michael's kids don't need discipline. They are already disciplined because that's the way that Michael raised them. Michael did all the work, Katherine is just their guardian/grandmother. You people act as if these children are little toddlers and Katherine has to do all of the "raising". Her job is to be there for them, love them, guide them.

Damn, I am disappointed in some my people (Thank God, it is not all of us) who are doing everything to dismiss what the Jacksons have caused and trying to blame a child, just because some of you don't feel that she is black. The ignorance is stifling.Wake the fuck up!

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U had a post that pulled me in totally until you went into defining who is black and why, you should have just left that out. Does it matter. And I don't think Michael used that kind of thinking as far as race is concerned.

None of really know if Michaels kids are biologically his, so that could in fact be a white girl. Race doesn't matter in rearing children.

You should read up on how these people identify, and who the Jones identify, I've read interviews with the Jones family and he has a lot of children and they all seem to identify differently.

paris is too damn grown and she think she is star the way she talks on twitter she aint shit but the bought child of a rich ass star. i ageree with ms knight kids these days go 2 damn far and its time 2 joe jackson that lil wanch in her place. its all about having respect and the proper guidience.she dont need twitter she dont need a cellphone she need michael 2 come back and put that mask back on her ass the world would still ne wondering how that helfa look

cbarnes3121 said:

cbarnes3121 said:

paris is too damn grown and she think she is star the way she talks on twitter she aint shit but the bought child of a rich ass star. i ageree with ms knight kids these days go 2 damn far and its time 2 joe jackson that lil wanch in her place. its all about having respect and the proper guidience.she dont need twitter she dont need a cellphone she need michael 2 come back and put that mask back on her ass the world would still ne wondering how that helfa look

I've said that before.

Seriously though, contrary to what I expected being the child of Michael Jackson, unlike Blanket, and maybe even Prince somewhat, Paris did not inherit that "mystery" mentality her father loved (and yes, spoke about). I mean, I figured she, especially being female, would still voluntarily wear cool masks until she would turn like 18 or 21, since she and her brothers of all people could fantastically get away with it, and she could have made fashion out of them. Then BAM, show the world her ventures and what she looks like as an adult.....even though that's unfortunately Debbie Rowe Jr. She can't help her genes though, and what seems to be her antithesis-of-Michael personality is not her fault in the end. Rowe's DNA has consumed that girl.

Now that cool Blanket, even though we can see his little face, he will not say one word to the public aside from short replies to get them out of his face, even as an adult in the future I bet. And that's incredible since he's the baby, who experienced the least amount of time with Michael. Nevertheless, he's his father incarnate. And likely even skill wise too.

shorttrini said:

HonestMan13 said:

Paris Jackson has already misunderstood the basic concept behind her existence in the world. Her father was famous. She is a nobody. You have followers on Twitter because of your father! They read what you post because of your father. Without your father you'd be some random white chick rambling on about utter nonsense. Accept your true place in the firmament and delve deeper into your oncoming obscurity. Let it take you. Silence child!

I could not have said it, better myself. Also, regardless of what is going on within her family, she should NOT be broadcasting every detail of it, on Twitter. In the words of one one of her uncle Jermaine's songs, "Some Things Are Private"....

So, what you are saying is that let the Jacksons release a letter to the media, (they did this, not Paris) with the LIE that the estate is the reason for Katherine having a "mini-stroke"(Katheirne didn't have a stroke, it has been CONFIRMED), whisk Katherine away and not allow her to communicate with her grandchildren for TEN DAYS in the pretense that she didn't have a phone etc. Are you saying that we in the black community should condone those things just because it should stay in the "family"? Maybe, if Randy, Janet, Jermaine and Rebbie hadnot perpetuated this PLOT TO DECEIVE the public and Katherine's own innocent grandchildren, this mess would not have become public. It was not Paris who released this letter to the media. It was Janet and Co. Maybe if Janet and Co. had allowed Paris to speak to their grandmother, NONE of this would have happened. However, we now know that Janet didn't want these kids to talk to Katherine as Prince Michael revealed. Janet is up to her neck in this scam and she knows it. Hopefully, her billionaire boyfriend is watching what he is getting into and her true colors.

WaterInYourBath said:

cbarnes3121 said:

paris is too damn grown and she think she is star the way she talks on twitter she aint shit but the bought child of a rich ass star. i ageree with ms knight kids these days go 2 damn far and its time 2 joe jackson that lil wanch in her place. its all about having respect and the proper guidience.she dont need twitter she dont need a cellphone she need michael 2 come back and put that mask back on her ass the world would still ne wondering how that helfa look

I've said that before.

Seriously though, contrary to what I expected being the child of Michael Jackson, unlike Blanket, and maybe even Prince somewhat, Paris did not inherit that "mystery" mentality her father loved (and yes, spoke about). I mean, I figured she, especially being female, would still voluntarily wear cool masks until she would turn like 18 or 21, since she and her brothers of all people could fantastically get away with it, and she could have made fashion out of them. Then BAM, show the world her ventures and what she looks like as an adult.....even though that's unfortunately Debbie Rowe Jr. She can't help her genes though, and what seems to be her antithesis-of-Michael personality is not her fault in the end. Rowe's DNA has consumed that girl.

Now that cool Blanket, even though we can see his little face, he will not say one word to the public aside from short replies to get them out of his face, even as an adult in the future I bet. And that's incredible since he's the baby, who experienced the least amount of time with Michael. Nevertheless, he's his father incarnate. And likely even skill wise too.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Free2BMe said:

Why shoud Paris and Prince twitter accounts be shut down? Is it because these kids EXPOSED Janet and Co. LIES and Scheme. I am going to say this again-THANK GOD that these kids had twitter accounts. IF they hadn't the lie that Katherine had a "mini-stroke" would have prevailed. FTR, Katherine has confirmed that she did NOT have a stroke. IF these kids had not had a Twitter account, then Janet and Co. would have kept Katherine out of the public eye indefinently until the public fell for their scam. IF these kids did not have a twitter account, Janet and Co, would have CONTINUED to lie and keep those kids from seeing their GranParent. If these kids did not have a twitter account, then Prince would not have been able to effectively SHUT DOWN Janet and Co with his revelatory tweet and "screen prints." This is the very reason why Janet and Co. are quiet and walking around with their tail between their legs. Janet and Co. KNOW that what Prince said in his tweet was 100% correct. Janet and Co. also know that if they continue with these lies, they will be exposed again.

The huge majority of Janet stans and Defenders are delusional and refuse to believe that she is involved with this mess when it is BLATANTLY staring them in the face. The bottomline is that IF these kids had not been on twitter, Janet and Co. would have gotten away with a despicable lie and basically a crime. This is more than just Jackson Family mess, this is sabotage, intimidation, bullying, greedy tactics to get control of Michael's estate and manipulation of the public for their own selfish agenda.

I am still wondering how Janet is going to lie and spin her way out of this. Of course, she knows that her fans are delusional and will forgive her for anything, even if she has been exposed as the culprit. It's not only sad, it is downright embarrassing the lengths that the Janet stans and Jackson defenders will go to try and DEFLECT from the evidence in this situation. This is not about what someone falsely accused the Jacksons of doing. they did it to THEMSELVES and were caught red-handed.Lord, help these defenders to "see the light."

Free, I'm not a Jackson family defender. I'm glad she did say that her uncles and aunts were mistaken about Ms. Katherine's health. I like Paris's outspokenness when it comes to defending her father (as seen on her various tv interviews).

What I don't approve of is this girl having social media when her every move is being scrutinized. Yeah, she's a teenager, but she's not just any teenager. I think she's way too young and hasn't gotten enough world experience to conduct herself in a manner that's befitting of Michael Jackson's daughter. Also...all those people who follow are crazy, nit-witted, out of their damn mind MJ stans who she really shouldn't be around. The vast majority of them are completely unstable. For gosh's sakes, during the trial one of them sent her autopsy photos of her DAD!

If they have to have public accounts, let publicists release statements that are appriopriate to satisfy these nutjobs. It would be a lot safer.

But that of course, is just my personal opinion. I love young Paris, and I really don't want anything terrible to happen to her or her brothers.

I wish sometimes Debbie would have a talk with her...she would listen I'd think.

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You are correct to worry about Paris being so open in social media. There are nuts out there; however, those nuts are NOT MJ fans.

Having said that, in THIS situation, it is GREAT that Paris had access to twitter. Can you imagine the manipulation that Janet and Co. would have done if this child had not questioned their LIES that THEY revealed to the media. Remember, only after Paris refuted that letter's claim that katherine had a "mini-stroke" did Janet and Co. try to discredit her and try to silence her by taking her cell phone. This is when Paris and her siblings became very worried because they hadn't heard from their grandmother in 10 days. All Janet and Co. had to do was to allow Katherine to pick up a phone and talk to these children who are in HER custody and just tell them that she was alright. However, janet wouldn't allow them to speak to their OWN grandmother as Prince PROVED with the screen capture on his cell phone. There is no way that janet can LIE her way of that. Thus, the silence.

I do want to say that I agree with your concern for Paris concerning her use of the social media. I am concerned also. I do believe that her use of the social media is her way of connecting with her father's fans and it comforts her. I just wish that there was a way for her to be protected from the NUTS on the internet. Other than that,I am so thankful that she was able to expose what her own aunts and uncles were trying to pull on the media, public and her and her siblings.

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LiLi1992 said:

These children have no father, no mother ... they are not the blood of the Jacksons ... I think that is very, very hard for them to live in this family (that's my opinion), so they need to keep in touch with the world through social network, it is certain warranty and support for them.
PS I am afraid of people who support a woman offering "knock out the teeth of the child" who disrespected (and it was a reaction to the disrespect shown to him) .. there is something wrong in this society.
Paris is not a simple girl, but no one in this family has no right to physically punish her. Point!

So, are you saying that Michael Jackson is NOT Katherine Jackson's son? Because if you are, then Michael should not have left her any money in his will and she should not be the guardian of HIS children. If these children are not the blood of the Jacksons, then damn his mother deserves NOTHING because if those children are not the blood of the Jacksons, then I guess you don't consider Michael as the son of Katherine Jackson.

shorttrini said:

HonestMan13 said:

Paris Jackson has already misunderstood the basic concept behind her existence in the world. Her father was famous. She is a nobody. You have followers on Twitter because of your father! They read what you post because of your father. Without your father you'd be some random white chick rambling on about utter nonsense. Accept your true place in the firmament and delve deeper into your oncoming obscurity. Let it take you. Silence child!

I could not have said it, better myself. Also, regardless of what is going on within her family, she should NOT be broadcasting every detail of it, on Twitter. In the words of one one of her uncle Jermaine's songs, "Some Things Are Private"....

Jermaine is a poor example He himself is always on Twitter,talking about the family and their issues.Furthermore,in 1991 he released a scathing single "Word 2 The Badd" which was a negative track aimed directly as Michael.He was doing exactly what folks are now criticizing Paris for doing: exposing family drama.

Free2BMe said:

LiLi1992 said:

These children have no father, no mother ... they are not the blood of the Jacksons ... I think that is very, very hard for them to live in this family (that's my opinion), so they need to keep in touch with the world through social network, it is certain warranty and support for them.
PS I am afraid of people who support a woman offering "knock out the teeth of the child" who disrespected (and it was a reaction to the disrespect shown to him) .. there is something wrong in this society.
Paris is not a simple girl, but no one in this family has no right to physically punish her. Point!

So, are you saying that Michael Jackson is NOT Katherine Jackson's son? Because if you are, then Michael should not have left her any money in his will and she should not be the guardian of HIS children. If these children are not the blood of the Jacksons, then damn his mother deserves NOTHING because if those children are not the blood of the Jacksons, then I guess you don't consider Michael as the son of Katherine Jackson.

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