Timmy84 said:

silverchild said:

Ya'll ain't never lying....1971-1972 were crazy years

That PCP was talking to him really GOOOOD...

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Damn that was his wig in '72?

The fro he had during The Mike Douglas Show was perfect.

silverchild said:

Timmy84 said:

Damn that was his wig in '72?

Sure was. That "Family Affair" promo video is so funny. He was living one hell of a grandiose life back in the day to be wearing that.

Damn I watched that video... I had forgotten about it.

Yes sir. Someone I know that was at the show said he was nodding off, incoherent and drooling at the mic.

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

SPYZFAN1 said:

Yes sir. Someone I know that was at the show said he was nodding off, incoherent and drooling at the mic.

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

Wow...

SPYZFAN1 said:

Yes sir. Someone I know that was at the show said he was nodding off, incoherent and drooling at the mic.

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

His interview on Dick Cavett is so crazy. He had another interview with Dick in '70, he's wearing all black, and slurring his words real bad.

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I always think of the TV show "Good Times" everytime I see that wig/Les Paul pic of Sly. I think that's the same poster she had in her room.

oh yeah....Sly was far gone then. But Dick Cavett was cool and did a good job in that interview.

SPYZFAN1 said:

oh yeah....Sly was far gone then. But Dick Cavett was cool and did a good job in that interview.

Dick: Can I dress like this and be apart of your band? Won't there be some kind of pressure on me?

Sly: There's pressure on all of us.

That's my favorite Sly and Dick moment.

Can't believe i'm going to take part in a wig conversation, but i just want to challenge that bald statement.

I don't think he's entirely bald today. He could be, but these pictures from earlier this year tell a different story:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/M3tDB.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/7h2sr.jpg[/img:$uid]

He seems to have overgrown mostly grey hair. Why would someone wear a grey wig?

Oh, by the way, here's the latest picture of Sly...

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/Q2Hws.jpg[/img:$uid]

With Nelson "Bob" George, being interviewed for a new documentary entitled "Finding The Funk" due out spring 2013.

As another side note, Sly's baby stone is quite the looker!

silverchild said:

That was his natural hair back in the day. Even before this, he rocked one of those "Tony Curtis" hairstyles that the young cats used to wear in the 50s and early 60s. Like Timmy said, it is a possibly that he has been bald for many years.

Sly looks so handsome in that second picture.

I really can't pick between Sly or Stevie, because I love them both for their great music.

Tom Jones or Sly?

WetDream said:

Can't believe i'm going to take part in a wig conversation, but i just want to challenge that bald statement.

I don't think he's entirely bald today. He could be, but these pictures from earlier this year tell a different story:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/M3tDB.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/7h2sr.jpg[/img:$uid]

He seems to have overgrown mostly grey hair. Why would someone wear a grey wig?

Oh, by the way, here's the latest picture of Sly...

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/Q2Hws.jpg[/img:$uid]

With Nelson "Bob" George, being interviewed for a new documentary entitled "Finding The Funk" due out spring 2013.

As another side note, Sly's baby stone is quite the looker!

Sly looks all of his 69 years in that picture with Nelson George.

If we are talking 1969-1974 I guess I would have to go with Sly. Stevie had more material from that era but I dig Sly's a bit more. A fairer comparison might be Sly circa 1969-1974 vs. Stevie circa 1971-1976. There's some great stuff in Stevie's Motown material circa 1969-1970 but there's also an awful lot of filler. He didn't really start to find his sound as an adult artist until 1971/1972 so comparing the 1969/1970 material he did to what Sly was doing isn't really fair.

One thing that I think Sly had over Stevie is versatility. As great as Stevie's seventies albums are sometimes I wish there was a bit less of the one man band sound to them. I think they would have benefited from more bass guitar, electric/acoustic guitar and live band interaction in general. It would have been great to hear Stevie do some rock oriented stuff too rather than being locked into the soul/R & B sound.

rialb said:

If we are talking 1969-1974 I guess I would have to go with Sly. Stevie had more material from that era but I dig Sly's a bit more. A fairer comparison might be Sly circa 1969-1974 vs. Stevie circa 1971-1976. There's some great stuff in Stevie's Motown material circa 1969-1970 but there's also an awful lot of filler. He didn't really start to find his sound as an adult artist until 1971/1972 so comparing the 1969/1970 material he did to what Sly was doing isn't really fair.

One thing that I think Sly had over Stevie is versatility. As great as Stevie's seventies albums are sometimes I wish there was a bit less of the one man band sound to them. I think they would have benefited from more bass guitar, electric/acoustic guitar and live band interaction in general. It would have been great to hear Stevie do some rock oriented stuff too rather than being locked into the soul/R & B sound.

I agree. Stevie was going through his transitional period when Sly emerged anyways and Sly was already more advanced. It did seem like Stevie limited himself a little more. There were hints of his other musical tastes in the "classic albums" but nothing really fleshed out. Stevie was all over the place - that's a good thing - but Sly had his shit together (most of the time).

ok, i'll have to get a proper sly stone album and digest him in context, but for me, its Stevie by a landslide. his VOICE seals the deal, its just so soulful and full of emotion. i've heard Sly's hits and singles and i see his songwriting and musicianship is on par but, what i've heard hasn't made me go delve into his back catalogue, as for Stevie, I grew UP with him, his albums were always in the crib, a few from Sly too perhaps but he didn't get the spins Stevie did.

Comparing the two of them is like comparing a Ferari to a Lamborgini. One thing we all seem to agree is they BOTH exemplarize the essance of GENIUS!!

both are so great it's really pointless to conjecture. Sly is comparatively overlooked. I'd have to say that Sly had a much bigger impact on black music and was a direct precursor to disco(for better or worse) I believe he had a greater influence than stevie did. He also, of course influenced stevie as did Marvin Gaye. I thought the synclavinet was brought to prominence by Sly and then taken to another level in some of stevie's songs like superstition and you haven't done nothin'. How can you say one is better than the other, both great songwriters, sly probably a better pop songwriter than Stevie and just about any other black artist of that era, both great keyboardists, stevie had his own harmonic sense which was unique. Sly played plucked instruments, stevie did not, and I came to the conclusion that he did not because it would callous his fingers. He did however play just about everything else. Of course Sly had the advantage of seeing so he could develop his own fashion sense and dance on stage, stevie couldn't. In the era you are asking about I'd go with sly, Riot was a sheer work of genius, a tormented artist, tormented by demons and by his own mass acceptance. I've always thought that was what drove him to drugs "selling out is hard to take, dying young is harder" just the brilliance in his mumbled vernacular on that album makes him one of the best lyricists ever, stevie's lyrics were often obtuse and or mundane so no contest there. Singing has to be a tie, both are just so good, sly has such a great range and expressive voice, stevie had his own style of singing with maybe not quite the awesome range sly had. As bandleader, Sly probably had an edge, Larry Graham has to be the most influential bassist in history, most of stevies guys were highly polished session musicians with nothing new to say.

petes2 said:

both are so great it's really pointless to conjecture. Sly is comparatively overlooked. I'd have to say that Sly had a much bigger impact on black music and was a direct precursor to disco(for better or worse) I believe he had a greater influence than stevie did. He also, of course influenced stevie as did Marvin Gaye. I thought the synclavinet was brought to prominence by Sly and then taken to another level in some of stevie's songs like superstition and you haven't done nothin'. How can you say one is better than the other, both great songwriters, sly probably a better pop songwriter than Stevie and just about any other black artist of that era, both great keyboardists, stevie had his own harmonic sense which was unique. Sly played plucked instruments, stevie did not, and I came to the conclusion that he did not because it would callous his fingers. He did however play just about everything else. Of course Sly had the advantage of seeing so he could develop his own fashion sense and dance on stage, stevie couldn't. In the era you are asking about I'd go with sly, Riot was a sheer work of genius, a tormented artist, tormented by demons and by his own mass acceptance. I've always thought that was what drove him to drugs "selling out is hard to take, dying young is harder" just the brilliance in his mumbled vernacular on that album makes him one of the best lyricists ever, stevie's lyrics were often obtuse and or mundane so no contest there. Singing has to be a tie, both are just so good, sly has such a great range and expressive voice, stevie had his own style of singing with maybe not quite the awesome range sly had. As bandleader, Sly probably had an edge, Larry Graham has to be the most influential bassist in history, most of stevies guys were highly polished session musicians with nothing new to say.

Interesting observation. I have to admit, over the years, I often thought of Stevie's post-1960s music as hard edged and stuff but most of it seems to be Sly-influenced pop music, which is a good thing. That's why the comparison is like apples and oranges. Stevie was the Motown pop to Sly's rock'n' roll based funk.

I'd have to say Stevie. Between 69-74 he released 7 albums compared to Sly's 4. The quality of Stevie's were amazing too, not only did that period bring out his best classic motown sounding albums but also 5 masterpieces (nearly all of the albums from his classic period).

How do you guys rate Sly's High on You versus his earlier work and Stevie's seventies albums? I have to admit that I have never heard that particular album and just assumed that Small Talk was the last good Sly Stone/Sly and the Family Stone album but some folks are pretty passionate about High on You. It's kind of funny that both High on You and Heard Ya Missed Me, Well I'm Back have been out of print outside of Japan for so many years. I believe they would easily fit on a single disc, a twofer re-release would be very much appreciated.

rialb said:

How do you guys rate Sly's High on You versus his earlier work and Stevie's seventies albums? I have to admit that I have never heard that particular album and just assumed that Small Talk was the last good Sly Stone/Sly and the Family Stone album but some folks are pretty passionate about High on You. It's kind of funny that both High on You and Heard Ya Missed Me, Well I'm Back have been out of print outside of Japan for so many years. I believe they would easily fit on a single disc, a twofer re-release would be very much appreciated.

I haven't gave High On You a good listen all the way through, but I like "I Get High On You" and "That's Lovin' You".

Dee1991 said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

oh yeah....Sly was far gone then. But Dick Cavett was cool and did a good job in that interview.

Dick: Can I dress like this and be apart of your band? Won't there be some kind of pressure on me?

Sly: There's pressure on all of us.

That's my favorite Sly and Dick moment.

Even tooted, the man still had som'n deep & profound to say

Gil Scott-Heron was that way as well

Dee1991 said:

rialb said:

How do you guys rate Sly's High on You versus his earlier work and Stevie's seventies albums? I have to admit that I have never heard that particular album and just assumed that Small Talk was the last good Sly Stone/Sly and the Family Stone album but some folks are pretty passionate about High on You. It's kind of funny that both High on You and Heard Ya Missed Me, Well I'm Back have been out of print outside of Japan for so many years. I believe they would easily fit on a single disc, a twofer re-release would be very much appreciated.

I haven't gave High On You a good listen all the way through, but I like "I Get High On You" and "That's Lovin' You".

Listen to "High On You" and you will be pleased! Its a combination of "Stand" "Riot" and "Fresh" but with a fresher sound. IMO this version of Crossword Puzzle is great and "Green Eyed Monster Girl" is an instrumental that ends too soon! The violinist is more uptempo than on "Small Talk" and he even sounds a little "country" at times. It is by far his most underated album. IMO "Heard Ya Missed Me" is a flop. Back On The Right Track was far better but it didnt have any "hits".

petes2 said:

both are so great it's really pointless to conjecture. Sly is comparatively overlooked. I'd have to say that Sly had a much bigger impact on black music and was a direct precursor to disco(for better or worse) I believe he had a greater influence than stevie did. He also, of course influenced stevie as did Marvin Gaye. I thought the synclavinet was brought to prominence by Sly and then taken to another level in some of stevie's songs like superstition and you haven't done nothin'. How can you say one is better than the other, both great songwriters, sly probably a better pop songwriter than Stevie and just about any other black artist of that era, both great keyboardists, stevie had his own harmonic sense which was unique. Sly played plucked instruments, stevie did not, and I came to the conclusion that he did not because it would callous his fingers. He did however play just about everything else. Of course Sly had the advantage of seeing so he could develop his own fashion sense and dance on stage, stevie couldn't. In the era you are asking about I'd go with sly, Riot was a sheer work of genius, a tormented artist, tormented by demons and by his own mass acceptance. I've always thought that was what drove him to drugs "selling out is hard to take, dying young is harder" just the brilliance in his mumbled vernacular on that album makes him one of the best lyricists ever, stevie's lyrics were often obtuse and or mundane so no contest there. Singing has to be a tie, both are just so good, sly has such a great range and expressive voice, stevie had his own style of singing with maybe not quite the awesome range sly had. As bandleader, Sly probably had an edge, Larry Graham has to be the most influential bassist in history, most of stevies guys were highly polished session musicians with nothing new to say.

As a fan of both musicians, I want to clarify some facts.

Stevie first used Clavinet in 1968. On "For once in my life" album. You can hear clavinet on 'Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-da-day', 'You met your match', 'I don't know why'. On 'Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-da-day', by playing clavinet with wah-wah pedal and percussive style, he established basic usage of clavinet in popular music. As far as I know that was ahead of many colleagues. Billy preston use clavinet on 'outta space' in 1971. Sly first used clavinet on 'There's riot a going on' in 1972, 4 years after stevie's first use. So your statement about clavinet doesn't match with fact.

sly67 said:

petes2 said:

both are so great it's really pointless to conjecture. Sly is comparatively overlooked. I'd have to say that Sly had a much bigger impact on black music and was a direct precursor to disco(for better or worse) I believe he had a greater influence than stevie did. He also, of course influenced stevie as did Marvin Gaye. I thought the synclavinet was brought to prominence by Sly and then taken to another level in some of stevie's songs like superstition and you haven't done nothin'. How can you say one is better than the other, both great songwriters, sly probably a better pop songwriter than Stevie and just about any other black artist of that era, both great keyboardists, stevie had his own harmonic sense which was unique. Sly played plucked instruments, stevie did not, and I came to the conclusion that he did not because it would callous his fingers. He did however play just about everything else. Of course Sly had the advantage of seeing so he could develop his own fashion sense and dance on stage, stevie couldn't. In the era you are asking about I'd go with sly, Riot was a sheer work of genius, a tormented artist, tormented by demons and by his own mass acceptance. I've always thought that was what drove him to drugs "selling out is hard to take, dying young is harder" just the brilliance in his mumbled vernacular on that album makes him one of the best lyricists ever, stevie's lyrics were often obtuse and or mundane so no contest there. Singing has to be a tie, both are just so good, sly has such a great range and expressive voice, stevie had his own style of singing with maybe not quite the awesome range sly had. As bandleader, Sly probably had an edge, Larry Graham has to be the most influential bassist in history, most of stevies guys were highly polished session musicians with nothing new to say.

As a fan of both musicians, I want to clarify some facts.

Stevie first used Clavinet in 1968. On "For once in my life" album. You can hear clavinet on 'Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-da-day', 'You met your match', 'I don't know why'. On 'Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-da-day', by playing clavinet with wah-wah pedal and percussive style, he established basic usage of clavinet in popular music. As far as I know that was ahead of many colleagues. Billy preston use clavinet on 'outta space' in 1971. Sly first used clavinet on 'There's riot a going on' in 1972, 4 years after stevie's first use. So your statement about clavinet doesn't match with fact.

You are corect as far a clavinet is concerned. IMO Stevie brought the clavinet to the forefront of pop music. As for synthesizers, Sly first used it on the "Dance to the Music" album in 1968. However, Stevie used them a lot more beginning with "Music Of My Mind". He was a true influence to me in that respect.

What the fuck is going on in this forum?

SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE.

Case closed.

duccichucka said:

What the fuck is going on in this forum?

SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE.

Case closed.

FRESH.

Case opened.

Dee1991 said:

duccichucka said:

What the fuck is going on in this forum?

SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE.

Case closed.

FRESH.

Case opened.

Aw man, if you had said "Case RE-opened" that woulda been classic, but nice

comeback!

But you're still wrong.

duccichucka said:

duccichucka said:

Dee1991 said:

FRESH.

Case opened.

Aw man, if you had said "Case RE-opened" that woulda been classic, but nice

comeback!

But you're still wrong.

I was going to say that, that's the truth.

Stand!

Now the case is legit again.