I see our mods are on vacation.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

I see our mods are on vacation.

[Edited 7/22/12 15:33pm]

For real.

Azz said:

Attacking? Once again, you MJ fans are blowing things out of proportion.

As for not doing anything other kids her age wouldn't do - I respectuflly disagree.

Who is applauding her? What is it you are applauding? Posting bikini pics of herself at the age of 14 to millions around the world? This includes pedophiles etc? How about calling her megastar aunt Janet jealous? Isn't she clearly trying to get attention? Or being disrespectful to her aunts and uncles, calling them liars and attempting to teach them manners - even though she herself is lying. And even if she wasn't shame on her. Not to mention doing it once again in front of hundreds of thousands, which knowingly would be spread by media, to tens of millions.

I mean come on. This is why you guys are delusional.

Why are you acting like such a little bitch over this kid? It's you who is blowing things she supposedly said and did out of proportion. It just comes across as if you're threatened by her or something. It's weird.

And fuck all this talk about her disrespecting her aunts and uncles. This family does nothing that tells us they care about anyone respecting them. They practically have a sign over their heads that say, "See us as a bunch clowns".

And lol at you calling us delusional. I told you lots of people are laughing at this family's stupidity and you still excuse it away even though you can't point out in anyway how it helped them to do what they did. Call out any other family on their greed and watch how quickly their defenderds point out how what they did was or can be a good thing. Never can the defenders do that for The Jacksons. But you want to go at MJ fans?

mjscarousal said:

Having debt and being broke are two different things and besides WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH KATHERINES WHEREABOUTS!!!!

I was just responding someone else's statement. Azz did state that MJ was near broke. By stating MJ's debts and never mentioning his assets, it implies that he was broke. Indeed the common perception is that MJ was near broke when he died. I was trying to set the record straight.

Katherine is probably in the hospital recovering from her mini stroke.

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mookie said:

Azz said:

This child is just screaming for help. Take her to a therapist, put her in a strict boarding school, or something,

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What's with the creepy campign against this kid? You don't have the balls to speak up about the family's constant stupidity, but you're going after a kid? LOL

Yes, [Name calling snip - luv4u] and the rest of the Jackson family defenders are being very cowardly to go after a kid who is ONLY concerned for her grandmother's health. How disgusting that [Name calling snip - luv4u] and the rest of these defenders are not as worried that Randy, Jermaine, Janet, Rebbie, and Tito signed a letter full of DECEPTION and LIES; yet,these defenders want to lay the blame on a child. If this letter had not been released to the public with the sole purpose of garnering sympathy from the public and a ploy to intimidate the estate into submission and exposed for the lie that it continaed, None of this mess would be happening. Let's see if [Name calling snip - luv4u] the rest of these guillible, weak-minded, cowardly

grown-ups will admit that they are too afraid to point the fingers where they really belong-at Katherine Jackson's OWN CHILDREN.

Anyway, Jermaine just Tweeted that he will be releasing statement soon to "end this wildfire of madness..".

Free2BMe said:

mookie said:

What's with the creepy campign against this kid? You don't have the balls to speak up about the family's constant stupidity, but you're going after a kid? LOL

Yes, [Name calling snip - luv4u] and the rest of the Jackson family defenders are being very cowardly to go after a kid who is ONLY concerned for her grandmother's health. How disgusting that [Name calling snip - luv4u] and the rest of these defenders are not as worried that Randy, Jermaine, Janet, Rebbie, and Tito signed a letter full of DECEPTION and LIES; yet,these defenders want to lay the blame on a child. If this letter had not been released to the public with the sole purpose of garnering sympathy from the public and a ploy to intimidate the estate into submission and exposed for the lie that it continaed, None of this mess would be happening. Let's see if [Name calling snip - luv4u] the rest of these guillible, weak-minded, cowardly

grown-ups will admit that they are too afraid to point the fingers where they really belong-at Katherine Jackson's OWN CHILDREN.

When I look at this post, all I see is immaturity.

tmo1965 said:

mjscarousal said:

Having debt and being broke are two different things and besides WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH KATHERINES WHEREABOUTS!!!!

I was just responding someone else's statement. Azz did state that MJ was near broke. By stating MJ's debts and never mentioning his assets, it implies that he was broke. Indeed the common perception is that MJ was near broke when he died. I was trying to set the record straight.

Katherine is probably in the hospital recovering from her mini stroke.

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Apparently he had 1.8 Billion in assests. Why didn't the estate sell them? Instead it took them 3 years to recoup $500 million.

THAT makes sense

Azz said:

mookie said:

What's with the creepy campign against this kid? You don't have the balls to speak up about the family's constant stupidity, but you're going after a kid? LOL

What's creepy, is MJ fans insinuating they care more about Katherine, than her own kids.

If Katherine's OWN children really cared about her, they wouldn't have USED her in that letter by saying that she had a stroke, when she didn't. IF Katherine's children really cared about her, they wouldn't have whisked her off just before they released this deceptive letter. IF Katherine's children really cared for her, they would allow her to speak to her grandchild who seems to care more about her than her own children. It was not Paris who got Katherine in this mess, it was Jermaine, Janet, Randy, Rebbie and Tito when they signed and released this letter. If anything happens to Katherine, I hold their actions fully responsible for the stress that they have put upon her health. The Jacksons are responsible for this MESS and no one else.

SoulAlive said:

Azz said:

This child is just screaming for help. Take her to a therapist, put her in a strict boarding school, or something,

I think Paris is a smart girl who is doing the right thing.She knows that her uncles are shady people,and she's not afraid to go to the media with her suspicions.They won't tell her what's going on with her own grandmother/guardian,so she's searching for the truth in other ways.That sounds like a very determined young lady.This attitude is gonna serve her well in the future (when family members pull shady stunts like this again).

Very true. Just think if this girl had not had the intelligence and fortitude to call her aunt and uncles out on their scheme, they would have gotten away with it. Thank God for this young girl and may God protect her and her brothers.

Azz said:

tmo1965 said:

I was just responding someone else's statement. Azz did state that MJ was near broke. By stating MJ's debts and never mentioning his assets, it implies that he was broke. Indeed the common perception is that MJ was near broke when he died. I was trying to set the record straight.

Katherine is probably in the hospital recovering from her mini stroke.

[Edited 7/22/12 15:48pm]

Apparently he had 1.8 Billion in assests. Why didn't the estate sell them? Instead it took them 3 years to recoup $500 million.

THAT makes sense

Probably because those assets generate a lot of income on permanent basis (i.e. Beatles catalog). Selling them would reduce income over the long term.

tmo1965 said:

Anyway, Jermaine just Tweeted that he will be releasing statement soon to "end this wildfire of madness..".

Jermaine and his siblings are the REASON for this "wildfire of madness" with their release of a letter filled with LIES, DECEPTION, PLOY for SYMPATHY and INTIMIDATION. His statement will only add fuel to fire for the gullible defenders of this family. Jermaine is probably sitting somewhere laughing at how easly he and his family can sucker their defenders in. Thank God, the majority of people know what these Jacksons are doing and will not be fooled by Jermaine's spin.

Azz said:

Free2BMe said:

Yes, [Name calling snip - luv4u] and the rest of the Jackson family defenders are being very cowardly to go after a kid who is ONLY concerned for her grandmother's health. How disgusting that [Name calling snip - luv4u] and the rest of these defenders are not as worried that Randy, Jermaine, Janet, Rebbie, and Tito signed a letter full of DECEPTION and LIES; yet,these defenders want to lay the blame on a child. If this letter had not been released to the public with the sole purpose of garnering sympathy from the public and a ploy to intimidate the estate into submission and exposed for the lie that it continaed, None of this mess would be happening. Let's see if [Name calling snip - luv4u] the rest of these guillible, weak-minded, cowardly

grown-ups will admit that they are too afraid to point the fingers where they really belong-at Katherine Jackson's OWN CHILDREN.

When I look at this post, all I see is immaturity.

Surely,a person who is blaming a CHILD for the mess that the grown-up Jackson siblings caused is not calling someone immature. Are you a comedian? You really can't be serious can you? Never in my life have I seen the cowardice that you and other morons have shown in attacking an innocent child who is more concerned about her grandmother than her own children. This child is not the one USING her grandmother for her own gain. It is Katherines grown chldren who are using their own mothers HEALTH for their agenda. Sad to see that grown-ups like you would stoop so low as to blame a child for her concern of her grandmother and not the grown-ups who are really affecting Katherine's health with their lies and schemes. How do you look at yourself in the mirror, aZZ? Your cowardice is disgusting.

Wow, Trent Jackson, the one who filled the missing person report was one of the recipients of the letter. NOW THIS is a FACT.

tmo1965 said:

Azz said:

Apparently he had 1.8 Billion in assests. Why didn't the estate sell them? Instead it took them 3 years to recoup $500 million.

THAT makes sense

Probably because those assets generate a lot of income on permanent basis (i.e. Beatles catalog). Selling them would reduce income over the long term.

Not when you are in $500 million debt.

Glad to know people know nothing about business.

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MrUFOman93 said:

Wow, Trent Jackson, the one who filled the missing person report was one of the recipients of the letter. NOW THIS is a FACT.

https://twitter.com/CEThomson

For those who want a reality check.

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Azz said:

MrUFOman93 said:

Wow, Trent Jackson, the one who filled the missing person report was one of the recipients of the letter. NOW THIS is a FACT.

https://twitter.com/CEThomson

For those who want a reality check.

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They need it so badly. I almost lost hope on humanity reading this thread

Azz said:

tmo1965 said:

Probably because those assets generate a lot of income on permanent basis (i.e. Beatles catalog). Selling them would reduce income over the long term.

Not when you are in $500 million debt.

Glad to know people know nothing about business.

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You obviously dont.. Debt and assets are totally different things. Michael had almost a billion dollars in assets.. Debt doesnt make you poor.

There are people regular people who live in million dollar houses who have debt.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Not when you are in $500 million debt.

Glad to know people know nothing about business.

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You obviously dont.. Debt and assets are totally different things. Michael had almost a billion dollars in assets.. Debt doesnt make you poor.

There are people regular people who live in million dollar houses who have debt.

With $500 million in debt, those assets were going to be seized. Hence 'This is It' [ Also known as Rehash part III (Joke ) ]

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missfee said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I see our mods are on vacation.

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For real.

I hope they enjoy that cause they got a hell of a mess to clean up when they get back.

Azz said:

Free2BMe said:

Yes, [Name calling snip - luv4u] and the rest of the Jackson family defenders are being very cowardly to go after a kid who is ONLY concerned for her grandmother's health. How disgusting that [Name calling snip - luv4u] and the rest of these defenders are not as worried that Randy, Jermaine, Janet, Rebbie, and Tito signed a letter full of DECEPTION and LIES; yet,these defenders want to lay the blame on a child. If this letter had not been released to the public with the sole purpose of garnering sympathy from the public and a ploy to intimidate the estate into submission and exposed for the lie that it continaed, None of this mess would be happening. Let's see if [Name calling snip - luv4u] the rest of these guillible, weak-minded, cowardly

grown-ups will admit that they are too afraid to point the fingers where they really belong-at Katherine Jackson's OWN CHILDREN.

When I look at this post, all I see is immaturity.

Really? I see ass.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Azz said:

When I look at this post, all I see is immaturity.

Really? I see ass.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Not quite Jermaine's statement but here is one in the mean-time via Facebook

Azz said:

tmo1965 said:

Probably because those assets generate a lot of income on permanent basis (i.e. Beatles catalog). Selling them would reduce income over the long term.

Not when you are in $500 million debt.

Glad to know people know nothing about business.

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Obviously what they did worked and they still have the assets.

tmo1965 said:

Azz said:

Not when you are in $500 million debt.

Glad to know people know nothing about business.

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Obviously what they did worked and they still have the assets.

Yes, the estate still have the CASH assets and

Yes, the Michael Jackson Estate STILL owns HALF of Sony/ATV which recently acquired EMI publishing. This is not even includimg Michael's own music's publishing. These assests include music by Beyonce, Bruce Springsteen, Elvis Presley, the Beatles, Chris Brown,, Rhianna, Eminen etc, and THOUSANDS of other songs. Btw,it's ironic that this so-called "debt" that the media has speculated on and perpetuated has gone from $200 million when Michael passed to $500 as reported by TMZ. I laugh out loud because when Michael was alive he would NEVER reveal his true worth to Forbes or anyone else and they would get pissed and just make up shit, usually trying to diminish what he was really worth. That is the same thing now. All of the speculation has come from the MEDIA and NOT from Michael's estate. Let the media and public speculate. Michael didn't want iti revealed when he was alive and the public doesn't need to know now.

Vanilli said:

Not quite Jermaine's statement but here is one in the mean-time via Facebook

Hello fans!

This is Majestik. To everyone concerned, let’s wait until all the facts are clear and the smoke clears. Your love for Michael is undeniable. I am sure in your hearts that you want the best and only the best for Michael’s children. At this particular time all the facts involved in this are not in, so please do not panic and make any rash decisions. Keep the calmness and the humbleness that Michael would love for you all to have and carry in your hearts, for the truth will prevail!

I thank you.

Majestik Magnificent

If only he had said this earlier, perhaps MJ fans wouldn't have gone crazy, and rumours such as 'Jackson siblings aduct mother' or 'Jackson siblings plot to steal MJ's money' wouldn't have surfaced.

Free2BMe said:

tmo1965 said:

Obviously what they did worked and they still have the assets.

Yes, the estate still have the CASH assets and

Yes, the Michael Jackson Estate STILL owns HALF of Sony/ATV which recently acquired EMI publishing. This is not even includimg Michael's own music's publishing. These assests include music by Beyonce, Bruce Springsteen, Elvis Presley, the Beatles, Chris Brown,, Rhianna, Eminen etc, and THOUSANDS of other songs. Btw,it's ironic that this so-called "debt" that the media has speculated on and perpetuated has gone from $200 million when Michael passed to $500 as reported by TMZ. I laugh out loud because when Michael was alive he would NEVER reveal his true worth to Forbes or anyone else and they would get pissed and just make up shit, usually trying to diminish what he was really worth. That is the same thing now. All of the speculation has come from the MEDIA and NOT from Michael's estate. Let the media and public speculate. Michael didn't want iti revealed when he was alive and the public doesn't need to know now.

Didn't documents released by the estate say they had just cleared $500 million debt and break even?

Are you saying you DON'T believe media like TMZ? When only hours ago, you were using them as evidence to condemn MJ siblings, when in fact MJ fans originally fed this information to them?

WOW. Seriously. I think I'm done. Because there is no hope left for most of you. Check the sig, maybe that will save you.

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Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

You obviously dont.. Debt and assets are totally different things. Michael had almost a billion dollars in assets.. Debt doesnt make you poor.

There are people regular people who live in million dollar houses who have debt.

With $500 million in debt, those assets were going to be seized. Hence 'This is It' [ Also known as Rehash part III (Joke ) ]

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No they werent. It was paying off some of the debt.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

With $500 million in debt, those assets were going to be seized. Hence 'This is It' [ Also known as Rehash part III (Joke ) ]

[Edited 7/22/12 17:33pm]

No they werent. It was paying off some of the debt.

Yes. He had to pay his debt before the bailiffs came.