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Reply #240 posted 07/23/12 10:08am

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^Its good that she's ok but why couldnt she have talked to her grandchildren or nephew and let them know her whereabouts instead of letting them worry and file a police report? Just because Katherine is telling police that she's "ok" doesnt mean that everything is ok. There needs to be an accounting of why she didnt contact her grandkids and nephew in the first place and why they were kept from contacting her. And another thing, did law enforcement confirm her being "ok" over the phone or in person? Her saying she's ok over the phone, doesnt mean she actually is.

You really need to do your homework and stop ignoring the facts just because the don't paint the Jacksons as evilish. Trent Jackson, who works for the estate and who doesn't get along with the rest of the family was one of the recipients of the letter, he is the one who filled the missing person report, he knew damn well that Katherine was ok, he just wanted to cause DRAMA. And I bet Paris - attention seeker - mini La Toya knew it too. Kath did not call home because the Jacksons don't want her to have any contact with Trent who lives in the family house, and because she is suposed to rest after all the stress but of course MJ crazy stans wouldn't understand that.

It seems obvious that Trent filled the missing person report to manipulate the crazy MJ stans to go against the family and along the Estate and it worked brillantly ! Good work yall, mama Kath was supposed to rest and all you did was making insane rumors which you knew were gonna affect her. Disgusting people.

LOL What a load of BS! I have done plenty of research, you on the other hand take bits and pieces of incorrect information, put them together and make faulty assumptions. Plus you act like you know Trent inside and out and you got his number but you've never met him havent you? You clearly dont know what's really going on even though you think you do. Do you live with the family? No you dont. Do I or anyone live with them? No we dont--but based on both their current AND past actions anyone with any iota of common sense and intelligence can see that the Jacksons are a dysfunctional family, greedy and are chasing after Michael's money because they dont have any money of their own and want to continue living lavishly at Michael's expense which they have done for years. But of course you and your twin Azz dont wanna hear any of it. Instead of facing the truth you'd rather go into threads and bash MJ fans and pretend like your superior to everybody that posts criticisms against the family. You and your twin are the one with issues, not us. Seems like you and your kind get your kicks in trashing others. All your posts are an EPIC FAIL! And I for one am done with responding to the likes of you. Not wasting my time on those who try to stir up nonsense and choose to remain ignorant.

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Reply #241 posted 07/23/12 10:10am

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Source: Katherine Jackson's 'missing person' incident is latest evidence of family's extreme 'dysfunction'

Alarm bells were raised over the weekend following the news that the matriarch of the Jackson family and legal guardian of Michael’s three children, Katherine Jackson, 82, was officially reported missing. But while the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department has since revealed that Mrs. Jackson is safe with family in Arizona, inside sources tell Fox411 that this latest incident is evidence that the family dynamic has grown increasingly dysfunctional.

On Sunday, Michael’s daughter Paris tweeted that she hadn’t spoken to her grandmother in over a week, and wanted her “home now.” A day earlier, Jermaine took to Twitter to declare that his mother was resting per doctor’s orders, and that the family “wasn’t plotting anything.”

But it has since emerged that Ms. Jackson is under the medical care of a doctor with a close connection to Dr. Conrad Murray – the man convicted of involuntary manslaughter for the 2009 propofol overdose death of the King of Pop.

"The same doctor that testified on behalf of [Dr. Murray] saying my father was a drug addict (a lie) is caring for my grandmother ... just saying,” Paris tweeted, also denying allegations that her grandmother suffered a mini-stroke in response to extreme stresses associated with the Jackson estate amid claims that she was being manipulated by the executors, John Branca and John McClain.

Prior to her “disappearance,” Ms. Jackson is said to have been preparing for a road trip to watch her sons perform in the highly-anticipated Jackson 5 reunion tour, but was instructed to fly instead. Yet according to Mrs. Jackson's legal representative Sandra Ribera, many things don’t add up.

“Michael’s children have still not heard from or been able to get in contact with their grandmother and no one has been able to confirm her physical location,” she told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column Sunday. “She was in very good health when she left last Sunday and there was no evidence of any need for her to be under a doctor’s care let alone the alleged care of a doctor who testified on behalf of the doctor who was convicted of killing her son.”

However, a source close to the family told us that this latest bizarre development is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the turmoil brewing within the Jackson family.

“This is a desperate measure, as there is no money coming in other than the allowance the estate gives Katherine," explained the insider. "The family is trying to convince Katherine to join them to handing over power of attorney."

The source also claimed that Katherine’s nephew, Trent Jackson –who reportedly alerted cops to her disappearance – is currently caring for Michael’s children. But Trent’s close relationship with the children is also said to be a huge source of contention.

“The kids like being around Trent and he always been there for both Katherine and Micheal over the years, so there is a lot of jealousy at play,” continued the insider. “Micheal would be turning in his grave. His mom and children being at the center of this storm would break his heart.”

But despite this odd missing persons incident, Ribera insisted that Katherine and Michael's children have a happy life together, but said she had no first-hand knowledge regarding any financial issues regarding any other of the Jackson clan.

A request to confirm that Prince, Paris and Blanket were under Trent's care was not returned.

A representative for Janet Jackson, and for the Jackson brothers also did not respond to a request for comment.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/en...z21SzGQyHM

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Reply #242 posted 07/23/12 10:20am

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A request to confirm that Prince, Paris and Blanket were under Trent's care was not returned.

A representative for Janet Jackson, and for the Jackson brothers also did not respond to a request for comment.

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Reply #243 posted 07/23/12 10:21am

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what exactly have they done in this instance that you consider psycho? they dont trust the men controlling their brother's estate,katherine is their mother and one of the heirs to that estate,whats psycho about that? is this the first time a family has fought over a deceased family member's estate- of course not, its actually the norm even if theres no real money involved.they took their mother on a little vacation to rest because she wasnt feeling well, how is that psycho? if the kids didnt know their grandmother was going away why would tito's son be staying at the house with them? he was there to watch them while katherine was away, whats crazy about that, i have seen those kids with tito's sons alot, he even took them to hawaii without their grandmother.paris never mentioned her grandmother being missing or not speaking to her in a week until after trent filed a missing person report, the girl was on twitter calling her uncles liars,agreeing that her aunt is jealous of her and talking about the batman movie BUT nothing about being blocked from her missing grandma.

It's psycho to claim that your mother had a "mini-stroke" RECENTLY, when she didn't. It's psycho to whisk your mother away and pretend that her doctor(who knew nothing about this) prescribed her rest and relaxation with no phones or computers. It's psycho to leave minor children wondering if their grandmother is alright and NOT even give them a call until a "missing person" report was filed. It's psycho to TRY and discredit a 14 year-old child for being upset and concerned when she heard the LIE that her grandmother had a stroke and not even allow that child to talk to the grandmother(who Jermaine said is doing fine.) If she is doing fine, then she was able to pick up the phone and call. Its psycho that this family ALLOWED this to get out of hand and one phone call to a grandchild would have stopped it in an instant.

Btw, I have NEVER seen a tweet or interview attribute to Paris where she said that Janet was jealous of her. Where did that come from. I have seen some Janet stans post that in this forum. I haven't seen it anywhere else. Paris has always said that she was "blocked", that is, had not spoken to her grandmother. If that isn't being "blocked" then I don't know what is. Why couldn't her grown-up aunts and uncles just allow her to speak to Katherine? According to Jermaine, Katheirne is doind fine, She is resting and relaxing. Surely, you Jackson stans are not going to tell me speaking on the phone to your gramdkids, the kids that you are legal guardian to, will affect that rest and relaxation. Does that mean that Katherine didn't speak a word to Rebbbie or any otaher members of her family. VERY strange and suspicious that Katherine was only allowed not to speak to her grandchildren. Something smells in JacksonFamilyville.

how would you know that she didnt recently have a mini stroke? the people you are using as sources (paris,a dr) claim to not have seen her in a week so how would they know if she was well or not. how do you know a dr didnt suggest she go away to rest? the dr you are talking about is not the dr that is suppose to have seen mrs jackson before she left. the rest of the family seem to have known where she was all along, paris is the only one that took to twitter and made those comments a couple of days after saying her grandma was fine.paris didnt make these claims until trent filed a missing person report,he lives in the house with her and she is close with his daughter, so it seems likely to me that trent was feeding this stuff to paris so that she could put it on twitter and rile up the mj fanbase, which is exactly what happened. how would alan duke know what paris was thinking? because trent was feeding him stories. prince has a twitter, did he post anything about his grandmother being missing?mrs jackson has a big family, you cant expect her to just be with mike's kids and never spend time with her other loved ones, she has a right to go away with her other relatives as long as proper supervision is with the kids, tito's son said he was with them,he's an adult who has been with them many times.

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Reply #244 posted 07/23/12 10:23am

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I think she should all stop blaming the family for why Katherine did not call her own grand-children. Now that silly rumours created by Paris and Michael Jackson fans have been put to bed, you are simply finding other ways to bash the family.


If Katherine did not pick up the phone to call, then Katherine did not pick up the phone to call. I'm sure she has her reasons (Heck, I can think of alot...) but it was her choice. Not the families. They did not prevent her from picking up the phone. Afterall, isn't it reported that Katherine was in fact playing UNO with her eldest?

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Reply #245 posted 07/23/12 10:31am

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NaughtyKitty said:

MrUFOman93 said:

You really need to do your homework and stop ignoring the facts just because the don't paint the Jacksons as evilish. Trent Jackson, who works for the estate and who doesn't get along with the rest of the family was one of the recipients of the letter, he is the one who filled the missing person report, he knew damn well that Katherine was ok, he just wanted to cause DRAMA. And I bet Paris - attention seeker - mini La Toya knew it too. Kath did not call home because the Jacksons don't want her to have any contact with Trent who lives in the family house, and because she is suposed to rest after all the stress but of course MJ crazy stans wouldn't understand that.

It seems obvious that Trent filled the missing person report to manipulate the crazy MJ stans to go against the family and along the Estate and it worked brillantly ! Good work yall, mama Kath was supposed to rest and all you did was making insane rumors which you knew were gonna affect her. Disgusting people.

LOL What a load of BS! I have done plenty of research, you on the other hand take bits and pieces of incorrect information, put them together and make faulty assumptions. Plus you act like you know Trent inside and out and you got his number but you've never met him havent you? You clearly dont know what's really going on even though you think you do. Do you live with the family? No you dont. Do I or anyone live with them? No we dont--but based on both their current AND past actions anyone with any iota of common sense and intelligence can see that the Jacksons are a dysfunctional family, greedy and are chasing after Michael's money because they dont have any money of their own and want to continue living lavishly at Michael's expense which they have done for years. But of course you and your twin Azz dont wanna hear any of it. Instead of facing the truth you'd rather go into threads and bash MJ fans and pretend like your superior to everybody that posts criticisms against the family. You and your twin are the one with issues, not us. Seems like you and your kind get your kicks in trashing others. All your posts are an EPIC FAIL! And I for one am done with responding to the likes of you. Not wasting my time on those who try to stir up nonsense and choose to remain ignorant.

We make false assumptions? We aren't the ones who spread rumours that Katherines own children had abducted her. That Michael's siblings had created a seemingly inelaborate plot to steal his money. YOU have. And now that these rumours have been put to rest, you continue to scream and shout, even though you were wrong.

The Jacksons are dysfunctional, and this included Michael. That's why lots of things happened, that none of us will ever understand. We admit this. But instead, MJ fans demand to know personal matters, and also, pass judgement on the family when they do not know what is going on. You have this self-righteousness because you have bought their records.

From the lies that MJ fans have made, I can only conclude, that you guys thrive off of bashing MJ's siblings. Particulary Janet. Because you are scared of what they have accomplished, and that they are still alive. Still alive to make records, movies and accomplish goals. And that they are around to enjoy them.

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Reply #246 posted 07/23/12 10:58am

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When someone dies and there is money... the greedy relatives come out of the wood work. Seen it happen in Law offices (Wills & Estates area). And some beneficiaries are never happy with what they have been given and some that got nothing bitch and whine contesting a Will in court. disbelief

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Reply #247 posted 07/23/12 10:58am

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Azz said:

NaughtyKitty said:

LOL What a load of BS! I have done plenty of research, you on the other hand take bits and pieces of incorrect information, put them together and make faulty assumptions. Plus you act like you know Trent inside and out and you got his number but you've never met him havent you? You clearly dont know what's really going on even though you think you do. Do you live with the family? No you dont. Do I or anyone live with them? No we dont--but based on both their current AND past actions anyone with any iota of common sense and intelligence can see that the Jacksons are a dysfunctional family, greedy and are chasing after Michael's money because they dont have any money of their own and want to continue living lavishly at Michael's expense which they have done for years. But of course you and your twin Azz dont wanna hear any of it. Instead of facing the truth you'd rather go into threads and bash MJ fans and pretend like your superior to everybody that posts criticisms against the family. You and your twin are the one with issues, not us. Seems like you and your kind get your kicks in trashing others. All your posts are an EPIC FAIL! And I for one am done with responding to the likes of you. Not wasting my time on those who try to stir up nonsense and choose to remain ignorant.

We make false assumptions? We aren't the ones who spread rumours that Katherines own children had abducted her. That Michael's siblings had created a seemingly inelaborate plot to steal his money. YOU have. And now that these rumours have been put to rest, you continue to scream and shout, even though you were wrong.

The Jacksons are dysfunctional, and this included Michael. That's why lots of things happened, that none of us will ever understand. We admit this. But instead, MJ fans demand to know personal matters, and also, pass judgement on the family when they do not know what is going on. You have this self-righteousness because you have bought their records.

From the lies that MJ fans have made, I can only conclude, that you guys thrive off of bashing MJ's siblings. Particulary Janet. Because you are scared of what they have accomplished, and that they are still alive. Still alive to make records, movies and accomplish goals. And that they are around to enjoy them.

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Reply #248 posted 07/23/12 11:03am

mjscarousal

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LOL What a load of BS! I have done plenty of research, you on the other hand take bits and pieces of incorrect information, put them together and make faulty assumptions. Plus you act like you know Trent inside and out and you got his number but you've never met him havent you? You clearly dont know what's really going on even though you think you do. Do you live with the family? No you dont. Do I or anyone live with them? No we dont--but based on both their current AND past actions anyone with any iota of common sense and intelligence can see that the Jacksons are a dysfunctional family, greedy and are chasing after Michael's money because they dont have any money of their own and want to continue living lavishly at Michael's expense which they have done for years. But of course you and your twin Azz dont wanna hear any of it. Instead of facing the truth you'd rather go into threads and bash MJ fans and pretend like your superior to everybody that posts criticisms against the family. You and your twin are the one with issues, not us. Seems like you and your kind get your kicks in trashing others. All your posts are an EPIC FAIL! And I for one am done with responding to the likes of you. Not wasting my time on those who try to stir up nonsense and choose to remain ignorant.

Particulary Janet. Because you are scared of what they have accomplished, and that they are still alive. Still alive to make records, movies and accomplish goals. And that they are around to enjoy them.

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Thats something you made up in YOUR mind.

You did not once bring up a possibility of any fought on Janets part which shows you are a blinded stan. I honestly believe Janet signed the letter to get the Jacksons off her back and the sad part is she didnt bother to EXACTLY READ the letter regarding her MOTHER nuts The same thing she did when she didnt bother to read her BROTHERS AUTOSPY REPORT when she made those dumbass inacurrate statements nuts

Nobody is picking on Janet but she isnt innocent in this either. She signed that phooney letter and doesnt want to have nothing to do with it now because it turned into a mess.

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Reply #249 posted 07/23/12 11:22am

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mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Particulary Janet. Because you are scared of what they have accomplished, and that they are still alive. Still alive to make records, movies and accomplish goals. And that they are around to enjoy them.

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Thats something you made up in YOUR mind.

You did not once bring up a possibility of any fought on Janets part which shows you are a blinded stan. I honestly believe Janet signed the letter to get the Jacksons off her back and the sad part is she didnt bother to EXACTLY READ the letter regarding her MOTHER nuts The same thing she did when she didnt bother to read her BROTHERS AUTOSPY REPORT when she made those dumbass inacurrate statements nuts

Nobody is picking on Janet but she isnt innocent in this either. She signed that phooney letter and doesnt want to have nothing to do with it now because it turned into a mess.

Janet is on holiday. Her part in this is only with the signing of the letter.

But why is this letter faulty or phoney? You can't prove so. So therefore it is an assumption.


You have been proven wrong with your claims that Katherine did not suffer a mini-stroke, and that she didn't need rest.

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Reply #250 posted 07/23/12 11:28am

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“This is a desperate measure, as there is no money coming in other than the allowance the estate gives Katherine," explained the insider. "The family is trying to convince Katherine to join them to handing over power of attorney."

and that's really what it all boils down to.Katherine and the children seem to be fine.They have a good life.It's the other family members who are trying to rock the boat,create drama and get their hands on the money.

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Reply #251 posted 07/23/12 11:30am

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mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Particulary Janet. Because you are scared of what they have accomplished, and that they are still alive. Still alive to make records, movies and accomplish goals. And that they are around to enjoy them.

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Thats something you made up in YOUR mind.

You did not once bring up a possibility of any fought on Janets part which shows you are a blinded stan. I honestly believe Janet signed the letter to get the Jacksons off her back and the sad part is she didnt bother to EXACTLY READ the letter regarding her MOTHER nuts The same thing she did when she didnt bother to read her BROTHERS AUTOSPY REPORT when she made those dumbass inacurrate statements nuts

Nobody is picking on Janet but she isnt innocent in this either. She signed that phooney letter and doesnt want to have nothing to do with it now because it turned into a mess.

how is the letter phoney when the family aknowledged that it was legit? janet retweeted her brother's statement so i dont see her backing off from it. she's not commenting on this lastest nonsense because thats what it is nonsense, maybe janet feels she dont need to respond to reports her and her siblings kidnapped their mother.imo the only blinded stans are mj fans, he is gone so none of this can ever affect him, but the fans have so much bitterness and resentment towards his surviving family members that you all will jump to the defense of anybody that is against them.im still waiting for one of you to explain how writing that letter would somehow help them get mikes money. if its proved that the dudes currently running the estate are in deed shady the money wouldnt then be turned over to randy or jermaine, they actually have nothing to do with the money. their mother is part of the estate and they dont feel like the men in control is doing right by her so if they wanna ask them to step down so what, it has nothing to do with the fans.why would janet need to read an autopsy report to know that her brother had a problem? if a crackhead gets ran over by a car thats what killed him, it still dont change the fact that he was a crackhead.

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Reply #252 posted 07/23/12 11:33am

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SoulAlive said:

NaughtyKitty said:

“This is a desperate measure, as there is no money coming in other than the allowance the estate gives Katherine," explained the insider. "The family is trying to convince Katherine to join them to handing over power of attorney."

and that's really what it all boils down to.Katherine and the children seem to be fine.They have a good life.It's the other family members who are trying to rock the boat,create drama and get their hands on the money.

Mj fans are refusing to answer the following however:

Do you think it is just that Katherine is recieving an allowance of $30,000 a month whilst the executives are making $2 million a month? These are the same executives Michael once fired, whom he called evil, and there is also no proof of him ever re-hiring them.

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Reply #253 posted 07/23/12 11:48am

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Azz said:

SoulAlive said:

and that's really what it all boils down to.Katherine and the children seem to be fine.They have a good life.It's the other family members who are trying to rock the boat,create drama and get their hands on the money.

Mj fans are refusing to answer the following however:

Do you think it is just that Katherine is recieving an allowance of $30,000 a month whilst the executives are making $2 million a month? These are the same executives Michael once fired, whom he called evil, and there is also no proof of him ever re-hiring them.

As far as I can see,Katherine has no problem with the amount of money she is given.And there doesn't seem to be any real proof that Michael's will was forged.That's what the brothers want everyone to believe.

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Reply #254 posted 07/23/12 11:59am

Azz

SoulAlive said:

Azz said:

Mj fans are refusing to answer the following however:

Do you think it is just that Katherine is recieving an allowance of $30,000 a month whilst the executives are making $2 million a month? These are the same executives Michael once fired, whom he called evil, and there is also no proof of him ever re-hiring them.

As far as I can see,Katherine has no problem with the amount of money she is given.And there doesn't seem to be any real proof that Michael's will was forged.That's what the brothers want everyone to believe.

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Reply #255 posted 07/23/12 12:03pm

lowkey

SoulAlive said:

Azz said:

Mj fans are refusing to answer the following however:

Do you think it is just that Katherine is recieving an allowance of $30,000 a month whilst the executives are making $2 million a month? These are the same executives Michael once fired, whom he called evil, and there is also no proof of him ever re-hiring them.

As far as I can see,Katherine has no problem with the amount of money she is given.And there doesn't seem to be any real proof that Michael's will was forged.That's what the brothers want everyone to believe.

how do you know she has no problem? shes an 82 year old woman dealing with high powered lawyers not to mention billion dollar companies like aeg and sony (they are the ones who will control mj's legacy). at this point katherine is the only person that could have challenged that will since the kids are minors, so why is it not possible to believe she has been bullied and intimidated by the powers who are making the real money from mj.mike thought sony was evil and the men controling his estate has turned right around and handed them the keys to not only his mother and kids futures but his legacy.

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Reply #256 posted 07/23/12 12:08pm

Azz

lowkey said:

SoulAlive said:

As far as I can see,Katherine has no problem with the amount of money she is given.And there doesn't seem to be any real proof that Michael's will was forged.That's what the brothers want everyone to believe.

how do you know she has no problem? shes an 82 year old woman dealing with high powered lawyers not to mention billion dollar companies like aeg and sony (they are the ones who will control mj's legacy). at this point katherine is the only person that could have challenged that will since the kids are minors, so why is it not possible to believe she has been bullied and intimidated by the powers who are making the real money from mj.mike thought sony was evil and the men controling his estate has turned right around and handed them the keys to not only his mother and kids futures but his legacy.

Also, they have managed to squeaze their way into earning higher and higher percentages of the money the estate is pulling in.

They have handed out bogus products, such as 'Michael'. I would go as far as to say, they haven't even done a particularly satisfactory job.

I believe Michael once fired them for a reason. And there is no proof of him ever re-hiring them himself.

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Reply #257 posted 07/23/12 12:10pm

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lowkey said:

SoulAlive said:

As far as I can see,Katherine has no problem with the amount of money she is given.And there doesn't seem to be any real proof that Michael's will was forged.That's what the brothers want everyone to believe.

how do you know she has no problem? shes an 82 year old woman dealing with high powered lawyers not to mention billion dollar companies like aeg and sony (they are the ones who will control mj's legacy). at this point katherine is the only person that could have challenged that will since the kids are minors, so why is it not possible to believe she has been bullied and intimidated by the powers who are making the real money from mj.mike thought sony was evil and the men controling his estate has turned right around and handed them the keys to not only his mother and kids futures but his legacy.

Are you saying that you believe that MJ's will is fake? hmmm

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Reply #258 posted 07/23/12 12:12pm

Azz

SoulAlive said:

lowkey said:

how do you know she has no problem? shes an 82 year old woman dealing with high powered lawyers not to mention billion dollar companies like aeg and sony (they are the ones who will control mj's legacy). at this point katherine is the only person that could have challenged that will since the kids are minors, so why is it not possible to believe she has been bullied and intimidated by the powers who are making the real money from mj.mike thought sony was evil and the men controling his estate has turned right around and handed them the keys to not only his mother and kids futures but his legacy.

Are you saying that you believe that MJ's will is fake? hmmm

Wasn't there some inconsistencies with the location and date?

It's not out of character that the executives or Sony would such a thing.


Not to mention, if the family have reason, who are we to question them?

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Reply #259 posted 07/23/12 12:17pm

SoulAlive

Azz said:

SoulAlive said:

Are you saying that you believe that MJ's will is fake? hmmm

Wasn't there some inconsistencies with the location and date?

It's not out of character that the executives or Sony would such a thing.


Not to mention, if the family have reason, who are we to question them?

because we're talking about people (Randy,Jermaine,etc) who have a long history of using Michael for financial gain.You mentioned Michael firing those two guys,but remember,Michael didn't really trust his brothers,either.Notice he never worked with them,or toured with them,after Victory.

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Reply #260 posted 07/23/12 12:18pm

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SoulAlive said:

NaughtyKitty said:

“This is a desperate measure, as there is no money coming in other than the allowance the estate gives Katherine," explained the insider. "The family is trying to convince Katherine to join them to handing over power of attorney."

and that's really what it all boils down to.Katherine and the children seem to be fine.They have a good life.It's the other family members who are trying to rock the boat,create drama and get their hands on the money.

they will never, and that's why they're sooooo stupid.

if this will was invalidated, supposedly there is a previous will, the only difference being that "blanket" is not included b/c he hadn't been born. mj STILL left his fortune to his kids and charities mainly, with a provision for katherine's care. they better hope that all of mj's wills are good b/c if the judge invalidates them, under intestate succession, EVERYTHING would go to the kids. everything. no katherine, no charities, and certainly no siblings.

moreover, if they think they're going to get the execs off, they're wrong. the judge has been complimentary of the job they've done, it's been publicized all over the web how much money this estate has brought in, so much so that probate will likely be closed soon. if they think the execs are going to go without a fight, they could not be more wrong. if they think the judge would turn over this massive estate to a bunch of idiots, they could not be more wrong.

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Reply #261 posted 07/23/12 12:20pm

Azz

SoulAlive said:

Azz said:

Wasn't there some inconsistencies with the location and date?

It's not out of character that the executives or Sony would such a thing.


Not to mention, if the family have reason, who are we to question them?

because we're talking about people (Randy,Jermaine,etc) who have a long history of using Michael for financial gain.You mentioned Michael firing those two guys,but remember,Michael didn't really trust his brothers,either.Notice he never worked with them,or toured with them,after Victory.

Are there examples of them using Michael for financial gain, excluding using his name.

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Reply #262 posted 07/23/12 12:29pm

SoulAlive

kibbles said:

SoulAlive said:

and that's really what it all boils down to.Katherine and the children seem to be fine.They have a good life.It's the other family members who are trying to rock the boat,create drama and get their hands on the money.

they will never, and that's why they're sooooo stupid.

if this will was invalidated, supposedly there is a previous will, the only difference being that "blanket" is not included b/c he hadn't been born. mj STILL left his fortune to his kids and charities mainly, with a provision for katherine's care. they better hope that all of mj's wills are good b/c if the judge invalidates them, under intestate succession, EVERYTHING would go to the kids. everything. no katherine, no charities, and certainly no siblings.

moreover, if they think they're going to get the execs off, they're wrong. the judge has been complimentary of the job they've done, it's been publicized all over the web how much money this estate has brought in, so much so that probate will likely be closed soon. if they think the execs are going to go without a fight, they could not be more wrong. if they think the judge would turn over this massive estate to a bunch of idiots, they could not be more wrong.

Very good point.I believe that,even if there was "another" will (the REAL one),it still wouldn't leave the brothers with any money.It's absurd to think that Michael would have left his money to anyone besides his children and his mother.

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Reply #263 posted 07/23/12 12:38pm

mjscarousal

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats something you made up in YOUR mind.

You did not once bring up a possibility of any fought on Janets part which shows you are a blinded stan. I honestly believe Janet signed the letter to get the Jacksons off her back and the sad part is she didnt bother to EXACTLY READ the letter regarding her MOTHER nuts The same thing she did when she didnt bother to read her BROTHERS AUTOSPY REPORT when she made those dumbass inacurrate statements nuts

Nobody is picking on Janet but she isnt innocent in this either. She signed that phooney letter and doesnt want to have nothing to do with it now because it turned into a mess.

Janet is on holiday. Her part in this is only with the signing of the letter.

But why is this letter faulty or phoney? You can't prove so. So therefore it is an assumption.


You have been proven wrong with your claims that Katherine did not suffer a mini-stroke, and that she didn't need rest.

[Edited 7/23/12 11:24am]

Why do you have to be disrespectful towards Michael at least have some respect when you say your comments you dont have to be nasty confused

This:

Azz said:

Particulary Janet. Because you are scared of what they have accomplished, and that they are still alive. Still alive to make records, movies and accomplish goals. And that they are around to enjoy them.

[Edited 7/23/12 10:33am]

Is very uncalled for....

The letter is phoney because the Estate have been doing their job and un keeping Michaels legacy UNLIKE them who constantly have exploited their children for money and to plot to get more money because they are not in the will. I still stand by Katherines mention in the letter. Katherines own doctor said she was fine and was in good health.

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Reply #264 posted 07/23/12 12:40pm

kibbles

Azz said:

SoulAlive said:

and that's really what it all boils down to.Katherine and the children seem to be fine.They have a good life.It's the other family members who are trying to rock the boat,create drama and get their hands on the money.

Mj fans are refusing to answer the following however:

Do you think it is just that Katherine is recieving an allowance of $30,000 a month whilst the executives are making $2 million a month? These are the same executives Michael once fired, whom he called evil, and there is also no proof of him ever re-hiring them.

i already tried to explain this in response to a previous post of yours, but i'll try again.

under the law, the execs are charged with managing the estate and that means making deals which bring in money, or selling off assets to bring in money. under the law, they are entitled to a certain percentage of money for doing these things. the judge has approved 7%, if memory serves. there is nothing illegal, underhanded or wrong about it. when randy, jermaine and co. can put together a cirque du soleil tour deal which is in the top three tours in the u.s., for any artist, let me know. they can barely scare up a crowd for their own tour, now they want to be executors of their brother's estate? miss me with that b.s.

moreover, under the law, beneficiaries are only entitled to receive as much money as is necessary for them to live a certain standard until debts have been cleared. as i stated in my previous post, before i received any money from my grandmother's estate while it was in probate, neither i nor the other beneficiaries received anything. the lawyer took a fee for his ongoing work, and was paid regularly. when probate was closed and grandmother's debts were cleared, all of the beneficiaries received their disbursements out of what remained.

i guess you didn't note the interview where katherine's lawyer told cnn that he negotiated a higher allowance, which the judge approved, closer to $70K, not $30K. the execs pay for the house that she and the kids live in in calabasas, which is an exclusive area of l.a. the execs have paid a court judgment that was hanging over katherine's head, mostly due to jermaine's dirty dealing.

when probate is closed, katherine can ask for more money to be distributed to her, and it will be granted under the execs discretion - which is how mj set it up.

so it's not that anyone has refused to answer your questions. you're just refusing to acknowledge those who have. probate laws are a FACT. you may not like the fact that the execs receive more money than katherine AT THE MOMENT, but the FACT is that they are not doing anything illegal. whether mj was suspicious or whatever of the two johns is completely irrelevant at this point. he didn't bother to remove them from any known will, so they're the executors, period. and as long as they're doing their jobs, there is nothing randy and jermaine, janet and rebbie, peter and paul, will be able to do about it.

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Reply #265 posted 07/23/12 12:45pm

lowkey

SoulAlive said:

Azz said:

Wasn't there some inconsistencies with the location and date?

It's not out of character that the executives or Sony would such a thing.


Not to mention, if the family have reason, who are we to question them?

because we're talking about people (Randy,Jermaine,etc) who have a long history of using Michael for financial gain.You mentioned Michael firing those two guys,but remember,Michael didn't really trust his brothers,either.Notice he never worked with them,or toured with them,after Victory.

what you all have to realize is that there is a big difference between greedy family members and greedy strangers.mj paying the living expenses at his moms home and allowing his brothers kids and babymomma to stay there wouldnt have put much of a dent on his fortune,he could have easily had them removed years ago just like the cold hearted men controlling his estate ended up doing.nobody is saying it was right for them to not provide for their own kids but they didnt and mike didnt seem to care if they ate his food or used his lights,cable,ect.mike didnt trust his brothers when it came to money and business because he knew they were all pretty bad in those areas, including himself, he just had alot more than the rest of them.i dont blame mike for not wanting to tour with them because he had his own thing and he didnt want to, but i also dont blame them for wanting mike to tour with them, he was their leader when it came to the music and performing, he was the motivator and the perfectionist that held it together. we saw from the reality show that the other brothers couldnt even agree on dinner let alone making music and touring.now enter all the strange characters he surrounded himself with, dont you think some of them were in mj's ear telling him how he didnt need his family, they were nothing without him, dead weight.mj believes this and pushes his family futher away while the strangers get closer.the fans think its best that mike distance himself from family but what has happened since he did that? he was accused of child molestation that left him devastated, he ended up with hundreds of millions in debt,he's been lied on and to,manipulated,ridiculed and ended up dead far to soon, none of this is the fault of his greedy family.

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Reply #266 posted 07/23/12 12:47pm

mjscarousal

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats something you made up in YOUR mind.

You did not once bring up a possibility of any fought on Janets part which shows you are a blinded stan. I honestly believe Janet signed the letter to get the Jacksons off her back and the sad part is she didnt bother to EXACTLY READ the letter regarding her MOTHER nuts The same thing she did when she didnt bother to read her BROTHERS AUTOSPY REPORT when she made those dumbass inacurrate statements nuts

Nobody is picking on Janet but she isnt innocent in this either. She signed that phooney letter and doesnt want to have nothing to do with it now because it turned into a mess.

how is the letter phoney when the family aknowledged that it was legit? janet retweeted her brother's statement so i dont see her backing off from it. she's not commenting on this lastest nonsense because thats what it is nonsense, maybe janet feels she dont need to respond to reports her and her siblings kidnapped their mother.imo the only blinded stans are mj fans, he is gone so none of this can ever affect him, but the fans have so much bitterness and resentment towards his surviving family members that you all will jump to the defense of anybody that is against them.im still waiting for one of you to explain how writing that letter would somehow help them get mikes money. if its proved that the dudes currently running the estate are in deed shady the money wouldnt then be turned over to randy or jermaine, they actually have nothing to do with the money. their mother is part of the estate and they dont feel like the men in control is doing right by her so if they wanna ask them to step down so what, it has nothing to do with the fans.why would janet need to read an autopsy report to know that her brother had a problem? if a crackhead gets ran over by a car thats what killed him, it still dont change the fact that he was a crackhead.

You are DELUSIONAL and IGNORANT biggrin

Why would I be bitter about people I dont even know? nuts Im just giving my opinion based on the past history and current behavior of the family. Im tired of Michaels crazy family exploiting him and trying to use him for money. And sorry Im not kissing their ass just because their his family, I dont give a fuck. Its not right what they are doing.

If Janet cared so much, why didnt she tell Paris or the children where Katherine was? If she retweeted what Jermaine said that means she must know where she is if she is in bad health. WHY NOT TELL THE CHIDREN?

Janet made false statements regarding how Michael died. That analogy is not the same in this case. She talked as if she knew what drugs were in his system which was false. Michael did not die for prescription medication. And the AUTOSPY SHOWED THAT. There was only ONE drug that killed him even though there was other anethesia drugs found in his system. There was no prescription drugs. So Yes I have issue with her spreading lies about Michael insinuating he was a drug addict when he wasnt. He passed away because of PROPOFOL and its funny you delusional detractors will constantly use anything and everything to trash Michael when the thread is not about Michael nuts

STAY PRESSED biggrin

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Reply #267 posted 07/23/12 12:47pm

mookie

kibbles said:

they will never, and that's why they're sooooo stupid.

if this will was invalidated, supposedly there is a previous will, the only difference being that "blanket" is not included b/c he hadn't been born. mj STILL left his fortune to his kids and charities mainly, with a provision for katherine's care. they better hope that all of mj's wills are good b/c if the judge invalidates them, under intestate succession, EVERYTHING would go to the kids. everything. no katherine, no charities, and certainly no siblings.

moreover, if they think they're going to get the execs off, they're wrong. the judge has been complimentary of the job they've done, it's been publicized all over the web how much money this estate has brought in, so much so that probate will likely be closed soon. if they think the execs are going to go without a fight, they could not be more wrong. if they think the judge would turn over this massive estate to a bunch of idiots, they could not be more wrong.

Exactly. That's why this whole thing with them and executors just comes across like those Road Runner/ Wile E. Coyoyte cartoons. All their schemes are just so goofy and obvious. No way in hell are these clowns going to top those men, so why not give up all this scheming? All it's doing is making the family look bad as usual.

Are their egos just that big that they can't believe MJ didn't leave their leechy behinds anything?

The family stans can't defend their actiosn all they want, but we all know never would you see other famous families act like The Jacksons have.

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Reply #268 posted 07/23/12 12:54pm

mjscarousal

mookie said:

kibbles said:

they will never, and that's why they're sooooo stupid.

if this will was invalidated, supposedly there is a previous will, the only difference being that "blanket" is not included b/c he hadn't been born. mj STILL left his fortune to his kids and charities mainly, with a provision for katherine's care. they better hope that all of mj's wills are good b/c if the judge invalidates them, under intestate succession, EVERYTHING would go to the kids. everything. no katherine, no charities, and certainly no siblings.

moreover, if they think they're going to get the execs off, they're wrong. the judge has been complimentary of the job they've done, it's been publicized all over the web how much money this estate has brought in, so much so that probate will likely be closed soon. if they think the execs are going to go without a fight, they could not be more wrong. if they think the judge would turn over this massive estate to a bunch of idiots, they could not be more wrong.

Exactly. That's why this whole thing with them and executors just comes across like those Road Runner/ Wile E. Coyoyte cartoons. All their schemes are just so goofy and obvious. No way in hell are these clowns going to top those men, so why not give up all this scheming? All it's doing is making the family look bad as usual.

Are their egos just that big that they can't believe MJ didn't leave their leechy behinds anything?

The family stans can't defend their actiosn all they want, but we all know never would you see other famous families act like The Jacksons have.

HELL NO... Debarges and Osmonds got shit with them to but NEVER like this eek Ive seen some of the Debarges exploit OTHER people but Ive never seen them exploit or use their OWN family like the Jacksons have.

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Reply #269 posted 07/23/12 12:57pm

Azz

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Janet is on holiday. Her part in this is only with the signing of the letter.

But why is this letter faulty or phoney? You can't prove so. So therefore it is an assumption.


You have been proven wrong with your claims that Katherine did not suffer a mini-stroke, and that she didn't need rest.

[Edited 7/23/12 11:24am]

Why do you have to be disrespectful towards Michael at least have some respect when you say your comments you dont have to be nasty confused

This:

Azz said:

Particulary Janet. Because you are scared of what they have accomplished, and that they are still alive. Still alive to make records, movies and accomplish goals. And that they are around to enjoy them.

[Edited 7/23/12 10:33am]

Is very uncalled for....

The letter is phoney because the Estate have been doing their job and un keeping Michaels legacy UNLIKE them who constantly have exploited their children for money and to plot to get more money because they are not in the will. I still stand by Katherines mention in the letter. Katherines own doctor said she was fine and was in good health.

Is producing an album of extremely low quality with fake MJ vocals part of their job?

They earn $2 million a month, whilst Katherine has a $30,000 a month. Is this fair to you?

If katherine wanted to ring, she would have rang. Janet is not the gaurdian of those kids, she shouldn't have to ring. It's not her responsibility. Especially not to a spoilt little brat, who enjoys screaming and crying for attention.

[Edited 7/23/12 13:04pm]

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