Well MJ fans CAN be a little over zealous.

But something's not right here because I always thought that the girls (especially Janet) were close to the kids (and especially Paris), so it's sad that there's been such a drastic breakdown in communication.

I do think Paris has grown into those difficult teen years where you probably can't tell her anything (pure speculation).

Now this is where I get blasted; I think, after all the money Michael blew when he was alive, that maybe the money should go in some ways directly to the family. Because if these executors or whoever get thier hands on it, it will be a shame. Let the family have it. Better them than strangers.

Azz said:

dag said:

You're still missing my point? If she had a stroke, why didn't they tell the kids right away?

I can't answer that, how am I supposed to? I don't jump to conclusions like MJ fans do. Nor do I spread negative rumours.

But I repeat, there is no way Paris could have known. And there is no way she could have been sure enough to question her own aunts and uncles publically. And at the same time, stupidly disrespecting them and spreading false rumours to cynical MJ fans and media.

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Oh, really. Paris is being disrespectful. And how are THEY treating her. If they were respectful to her, they would let her know what's going on and she wouldn't have to ask publicly for information. Nobody seems to care to tell her what's going on and they let her worry instead. How respectful of them.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

There's a difference between not liking his music, and not thinking it's perfect.

Your right their is a difference.... but what does that have to do with THIS thread?

How are MJ fans thriving off of rumors when MJ kids do not know where Katherine is? It appears no one knows where they are and Jermaine and Randy are assuring they know where she is and that she is okay. Dont you think they should pick up the phone and tell MJs kids that?

What does MJ being in debt has do with anything?

MJ was in some debt the latter of his career but during his prime Michael made way more money than Janet could ever dream and currently makes more than Janet regardless of how much debt he was in since you BROUGHT IT UP

Azz said:

My point is being. Because MJ fans are so sensitive and defensive. They are making up lies (such as the Jacksons kidnapping their own mother, or that the Jacksons are stealing and manipulating their own mother) which are uttler false, and merely conceived conclusions. They are then spreading this to high profile media, which is clearly causing stress in the family (as Jermaine comented on it - so obviously it was significant enough to mention).

For the record, ALL stans are of any artist and given the territory when it comes to Michael JACKSON with the lies, sensational stories, gossip, media spin on the untruths and the truths we have to be this way.

I dont think its fair to make a generalization of MJ fans within every post because it doesnt make your opinion more credible because someone can easily say the same about you and your dislike for Michael which I think has a big biased on your posts overall.

Read my post as a whole, disecting each line won't make sense by itself.

Again, I repeat. Because MJ fans think MJ could do no wrong throughout his life, and that the brothers and sisters are horrible and money orientated. They assume that the brothers and sisters are always in the wrong. And therefore assumed that Paris was right, and that the Jacksons were lying. Which spread rumours to media, which werent true.

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@CynicKill, well most if not all the Jacksons filed for bankruptcy not too long ago and Jermaine basically is living off his wife's family's money. So I don't know how giving them the money or some portion would be a good idea or not. Not blasting you but I just don't think that's the answer.

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CynicKill said:

Well MJ fans CAN be a little over zealous.

But something's not right here because I always thought that the girls (especially Janet) were close to the kids (and especially Paris), so it's sad that there's been such a drastic breakdown in communication.

I do think Paris has grown into those difficult teen years where you probably can't tell her anything (pure speculation).

Now this is where I get blasted; I think, after all the money Michael blew when he was alive, that maybe the money should go in some ways directly to the family. Because if these executors or whoever get thier hands on it, it will be a shame. Let the family have it. Better them than strangers.

MJ didnt want the family to have it, thats why they were left out of the will. Which is understandable with how the family is behaving.

dag said:

Paris is not the only active person on twitter. For example, La Toya has been on twitter everyday this month posting AT LEAST 2 tweets per day praying for Colorado victims seeing the brothers and other "important" stuff. There's no way she wouldn't know what's going on in the media and on twitter. How come she is silent?

Very good point. As outspoken and publicity hungry as LaToya usually is I wonder why she is so quiet about this matter? She hasnt said anything about the letter, her mother's health or this latest incident. But she's tweeting about the Colorado victims, Usher's stepson and going to see her brothers

Azz said:

NaughtyKitty said:

No she didnt lie. Stop seeing things that arent there.

She hadn't seen her grandmother for days, and didn't know where her grandmother was, nor was she in contact with her grandmother.

She lied.

I wouldnt say she necessarily lied but maybe according to her, she was okay as far as she knew since nobody told her otherwise

Cinnamon234 said:

Timmy84 said:

And that's really all it boils down to: if phone calls had been made between grandmother and granddaughter/grandsons, there wouldn't have been no need for anyone filing a missing persons report. Fuck about "fans" and the like, that's not what this is all about.

Lemme ask some a question here: if your parent or grandparent had to take care of your kids on the premise of you passing away and they were being whisked away by one of their children and not have contact for a week, would you think it was normal?

Oh and Jermaine's tweets were from a few days before the missing persons report was filed.

Of course it isn't normal but MJ detractors can't let something like LOGIC or common sense get in the way of their useless rants.

This isn't normal at all. As I said, if I personally as an adult in their 20's get worried when I don't hear from my Parents, then imagine how it is for children like Paris, Prince and Blanket who live with Katherine and aren't used to going this long without speaking to her?

Imagine that and then when you call, you are told she is "unavailable" to speak.

As I said, these ADULTS should have handled this situation better. They are not acting in a responsible or rational matter. If Katherine is able to call them and she isn't, then that's even worse being that she is the one who as i've said a million times already is LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for her grandchildren. You can't just ignore or abandon kids who you are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for for an entire week.

What don't some of you get about that?! Take all your personal feelings out of this for a second and understand that this is not okay. If a Parent told their UNDERAGE kids they were going on vacation and never ONCE called during that week to check up on them, most people would say that was uncaring or irresponsible. Then when the children call to try to get in touch, they are told the Parent is "unavailable" to speak.

That is not normal. That is not okay.

I suspect the courts will look at this. This doesn't look good for Katherine being their guardian and all if she is in fact OKAY and able to speak but I still suspect that the siblings are behind this and not Katherine. Such a dysfunctional Family.

THIS x 1000. Unfortunately your intelligent post will be ignored or disputed by certain posters lacking in logic and common sense.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

She hadn't seen her grandmother for days, and didn't know where her grandmother was, nor was she in contact with her grandmother.

She lied.

I wouldnt say she necessarily lied but maybe according to her, she was okay as far as she knew since nobody told her otherwise

IMO. She was sure enough to disrespect her uncles and aunts publicly and spread rumours to media. Shame on her.

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Azz said:

Also, Janet is with her boyfriend enjoying herself in Italy. Why would Paris bother calling Janet? Janet is the same person she thinks is jealous of her

She obviously called Janet, because Janet is the most profile of them all. And it would grab more headlines. This girl needs help. And I thought posting bikini pics of yourself at the age of 14 to millions of people was bad.

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You know an awful lot about this girl for someone that obviously isn't a fan of hers. Just sayin!

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Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

I wouldnt say she necessarily lied but maybe according to her, she was okay as far as she knew since nobody told her otherwise

IMO. She was sure enough to disrespect her uncles and aunts. That is extremely disrespectful.

You keep on repeating how horrible and disrespectful Paris is, but you haven't evaluated the family's behaviour towards her yet.

dag said:

Azz said:

IMO. She was sure enough to disrespect her uncles and aunts. That is extremely disrespectful.

You keep on repeating how horrible and disrespectful Paris is, but you haven't evaluated the family's behaviour towards her yet.

Once again. We don't have enough info on what has happened, and I don't like to spread or jump to negative rumours/conclusions. I don't exactly trust Paris' word either.

There's obviously a breakdown in communication between Paris and Michael's siblings, and disagreements about money can certainly do that.

Timmy84 said:

And that's really all it boils down to: if phone calls had been made between grandmother and granddaughter/grandsons, there wouldn't have been no need for anyone filing a missing persons report. Fuck about "fans" and the like, that's not what this is all about.

Lemme ask some a question here: if your parent or grandparent had to take care of your kids on the premise of you passing away and they were being whisked away by one of their children and not have contact for a week, would you think it was normal?

Oh and Jermaine's tweets were from a few days before the missing persons report was filed.

You and Hatrina nailed it. Whatever Katherine's situation, she is the guardian of those kids, not the nanny or the nephew or whomever. These are minors who have been without their legal guardian for several days with no contact. Like someone mentioned, it was incumbent on the adults in this situation to make sure that the kids are informed and secure if Katherine is indisposed.

Funny how this is the same Jermaine and Randy whose babymama sponged off Katherine for years to the point where she had to evict them. They were manipulating Katherine years before these children ever came along, but suddenly people are taking their word at face value? Really?

God forbid if she doesn't survive till they are adults...all hell would really break loose in that case.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

For the record, ALL stans are of any artist and given the territory when it comes to Michael JACKSON with the lies, sensational stories, gossip, media spin on the untruths and the truths we have to be this way.

I dont think its fair to make a generalization of MJ fans within every post because it doesnt make your opinion more credible because someone can easily say the same about you and your dislike for Michael which I think has a big biased on your posts overall.

Read my post as a whole, disecting each line won't make sense by itself.

Again, I repeat. Because MJ fans think MJ can do know wrong throughout his life, and that thebrothers and sisters are horrible and money orientated. They assume that the brothers and sisters are always in the wrong. And therefore assumed that Paris was right, and that the Jacksons were lying. Which spread rumours to media, which werent true.

That is a lie. Those fans who think MJ was Mr. Perfect Peter Pan are in the minority. To say all MJ fans think he can do no wrong is just stupid and untrue. Most of us are aware of the fact that the man had some serious issues. It's just that it's all anyone ever talks about so a lot of us are SICK of hearing about it over the years. That's all we ever hear about. Of course MJ fans tend to be on the defense more than other fanbases.

Michael is probably the most criticized and bashed celebrity in entertainment history. Yes, a lot of it he brought on himself, but because of all the criticism it should be no surprise that MJ's fans are always on the defense and are often times over zealous.

What's so hard to understand about this?

Even as a huge MJ fan, I'd like to think I can be subjective and I have spoken out against MJ when I felt he was wrong and I was never one of these fans who bashed The Jackson family btw. I stayed out of those disputes and always tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I am disgusted with their actions as of lately. I cannot defend their actions in this instance.

The people like yourself who are defending The Jacksons in this instance are -surpise surprise- MJ detractors who always go along with anything as long as it's AGAINST MJ and his children. You are not looking at the facts here. That's the problem. You have a personal vendetta against Michael , his kids and his fans and that's getting in the way of seeing what's legally and morally right in this case.

Me personally, I can separate the two. As much as I may dislike or like someone, I will always speak on what is wrong or right regardless. Yourself and many others are not able to do the same when it comes to Michael or any celebrity or others you may dislike.

It's hard to take people who have such a clear bias and who are unable to be subjective seriously.

A "source" just told the AP that Katherine is with Rebbie and is being prescribed by a "physician"... this according to TMZ.

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

And that's really all it boils down to: if phone calls had been made between grandmother and granddaughter/grandsons, there wouldn't have been no need for anyone filing a missing persons report. Fuck about "fans" and the like, that's not what this is all about.

Lemme ask some a question here: if your parent or grandparent had to take care of your kids on the premise of you passing away and they were being whisked away by one of their children and not have contact for a week, would you think it was normal?

Oh and Jermaine's tweets were from a few days before the missing persons report was filed.

You and Hatrina nailed it. Whatever Katherine's situation, she is the guardian of those kids, not the nanny or the nephew or whomever. These are minors who have been without their legal guardian for several days with no contact. Like someone mentioned, it was incumbent on the adults in this situation to make sure that the kids are informed and secure if Katherine is indisposed.

Funny how this is the same Jermaine and Randy whose babymama sponged off Katherine for years to the point where she had to evict them. They were manipulating Katherine years before these children ever came along, but suddenly people are taking their word at face value? Really?

God forbid if she doesn't survive till they are adults...all hell would really break loose in that case.

Yeah, I mean, logic needs to be put in place here. And why would anyone believe someone who constantly lies about whatever it is that he does but yet people buy into it because he's "family" is really confusing. Some members of that family have been lying for sympathy's sake. No doubt this is why there's so many confusing stories about what exactly is going on here because how can in one breath say that your mother is "doing fine" and at a spa and then the next minute say "she's at a hospital" or whatever. And then not contact your niece (if they even consider her a niece) about where she's at or how she's doing?

Cinnamon234 said:

Azz said:

Read my post as a whole, disecting each line won't make sense by itself.

Again, I repeat. Because MJ fans think MJ can do know wrong throughout his life, and that thebrothers and sisters are horrible and money orientated. They assume that the brothers and sisters are always in the wrong. And therefore assumed that Paris was right, and that the Jacksons were lying. Which spread rumours to media, which werent true.

That is a lie. Those fans who think MJ was Mr. Perfect Peter Pan are in the minority. To say all MJ fans think he can do no wrong is just stupid and untrue. Most of us are aware of the fact that the man had some serious issues. It's just that it's all anyone ever talks about so a lot of us are SICK of hearing about it over the years. That's all we ever hear about. Of course MJ fans tend to be on the defense more than other fanbases.

Michael is probably the most criticized and bashed celebrity in entertainment history. Yes, a lot of it he brought on himself, but because of all the criticism it should be no surprise that MJ's fans are always on the defense and are often times over zealous.

What's so hard to understand about this?

Even as a huge MJ fan, I'd like to think I can be subjective and I have spoken out against MJ when I felt he was wrong and I was never one of these fans who bashed The Jackson family btw. I stayed out of those disputes and always tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I am disgusted with their actions as of lately. I cannot defend their actions in this instance.

The people like yourself who are defending The Jacksons in this instance are -surpise surprise- MJ detractors who always go along with anything as long as it's AGAINST MJ and his children. You are not looking at the facts here. That's the problem. You have a personal vendetta against Michael , his kids and his fans and that's getting in the way of seeing what's legally and morally right in this case.

Me personally, I can separate the two. As much as I may dislike or like someone, I will always speak on what is wrong or right regardless. Yourself and many others are not able to do the same when it comes to Michael or any celebrity or others you may dislike.

It's hard to take people who have such a clear bias and who are unable to be subjective seriously.

This from the person/people who can't even admit that Michael was wrong for giving $25 million to people who falsely accused him of pedophilia.

And the reason why this is about 'fans', Timmy. Is because no one knows whether what's happening is true. Because MJ fans have discredited every source of information, so we have no way of telling what is going on, unless Katherine comes out and sais so. That is why.

Azz said:

dag said:

You keep on repeating how horrible and disrespectful Paris is, but you haven't evaluated the family's behaviour towards her yet.

Once again. We don't have enough info on what has happened, and I don't like to spread or jump to negative rumours/conclusions. I don't exactly trust Paris' word either.

What are you talking about? If she was reported as missing to authorities and Paris doesn't know where her grandma is that means the family are not communicating with her and you don't have an opinion on it. Interesting.

How come these "sources" as well as Jermaine have time to speak to the media yet no one can bother to pick up a phone and call home to let the worried kids and other family members know what's transpiring with Katherine?

unbelievable.

Cinnamon234 said:

How come these "sources" as well as Jermaine have time to speak to the media yet no one can bother to pick up a phone and call home to let the worried kids and other family members know what's transpiring with Katherine?

unbelievable.

I'm just waiting for another "source" to say where Katherine's at... because we ain't heard the last of this.

Azz said:

Kather is an adult too, not an imbecile. She CAN pick up a phone. Unless of course, she has sufferend a stroke. But according to MJ fans she hasn't.

Azz said:

There's a difference between not liking his music, and not thinking it's perfect.

But, if there was an instance where MJ was actually in the wrong. MJ fans would automatically assume otherwise, as they think he can do no wrong.

And MJ fans don't have to jump to conclusions to bash Michael's siblings. They thrive off of rumours saying negative things about Michael's siblings. I wonder why. For people who claim Michael's achievements, etc are untouchable. Why do they feel the need to bash the other siblings, in particular, Janet - who has had an extremely successful career, and had alot more money than MJ -- who was in $500 million debt.

My point is being. Because MJ fans are so sensitive and defensive. They are making up lies (such as the Jacksons kidnapping their own mother, or that the Jacksons are stealing and manipulating their own mother) which are uttler false, and merely conceived conclusions. They are then spreading this to high profile media, which is clearly causing stress in the family (as Jermaine comented on it - so obviously it was significant enough to mention).

Azz said:

Yes, there is no defending Paris Jackson. Claiming her grandmother was fine, stating that her uncles and aunts are lying, TELLING them to have respect - When she hadn't even seen her grand mother for days, and didn't even know where her grandmother was!

PREACH that gospel. How come you're almost the only one that makes sense here?

I am a MJ fan, but there's no way I'm letting you all making insane assumptions about his family, when there's no way you could possibly know the truth and what's really going on behind the scenes. It is unacceptable and I'm sure MJ would be ashamed of having such disrespectful fans towards his family.

dag said:

Azz said:

Once again. We don't have enough info on what has happened, and I don't like to spread or jump to negative rumours/conclusions. I don't exactly trust Paris' word either.

What are you talking about? If she was reported as missing to authorities and Paris doesn't know where her grandma is that means the family are not communicating with her and you don't have an opinion on it. Interesting.

Jermaine sais she is in AZ. But Jermaine also supposedly lied about her suffering a storke.

Apparently Paris screamed at Janet on the phone. But Janet is in Italy

Apparently Randy is holding Katherine captive

And now, according to TMZ, she is with Reebie.

How do I know which family member knows whats going on.

The only "reasonable" ( I use that tern lightly) expalnation for not telling Paris her whereabouts is that they don't want her to broadcast it on Twitter?

But it seems obvious they're hiding her whereabouts. The question is why?

Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:

You and Hatrina nailed it. Whatever Katherine's situation, she is the guardian of those kids, not the nanny or the nephew or whomever. These are minors who have been without their legal guardian for several days with no contact. Like someone mentioned, it was incumbent on the adults in this situation to make sure that the kids are informed and secure if Katherine is indisposed.

Funny how this is the same Jermaine and Randy whose babymama sponged off Katherine for years to the point where she had to evict them. They were manipulating Katherine years before these children ever came along, but suddenly people are taking their word at face value? Really?

God forbid if she doesn't survive till they are adults...all hell would really break loose in that case.

Yeah, I mean, logic needs to be put in place here. And why would anyone believe someone who constantly lies about whatever it is that he does but yet people buy into it because he's "family" is really confusing. Some members of that family have been lying for sympathy's sake. No doubt this is why there's so many confusing stories about what exactly is going on here because how can in one breath say that your mother is "doing fine" and at a spa and then the next minute say "she's at a hospital" or whatever. And then not contact your niece (if they even consider her a niece) about where she's at or how she's doing?

Exactly. How people can hold a 14 year old accountable and give all these so called grown folks a pass is beyond me.

MrUFOman93 said:

Azz said:

Kather is an adult too, not an imbecile. She CAN pick up a phone. Unless of course, she has sufferend a stroke. But according to MJ fans she hasn't.

Azz said:

Yes, there is no defending Paris Jackson. Claiming her grandmother was fine, stating that her uncles and aunts are lying, TELLING them to have respect - When she hadn't even seen her grand mother for days, and didn't even know where her grandmother was!

PREACH that gospel. How come you're almost the only one that makes sense here?

I am a MJ fan, but there's no way I'm letting you all making insane assumptions about his family, when there's no way you could possibly know the truth and what's really going on behind the scenes. It is unacceptable and I'm sure MJ would be ashamed of having such disrespectful fans towards his family.

Exactly. And a Lauryn gif, no doubt.

Timmy84 said:

A "source" just told the AP that Katherine is with Rebbie and is being prescribed by a "physician"... this according to TMZ.

11:40 AM PT -- A source tells the AP that Katherine is is with her daughter Rebbie and has been prescribed rest by a physician.

Oh how convenient that Jermaine Randy this "source" tells the AP this now. Whatever!

How come these "sources" as well as Jermaine have time to speak to the media yet no one can bother to pick up a phone and call home to let the worried kids and other family members know what's transpiring with Katherine?

unbelievable.

EXACTLY!

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

A "source" just told the AP that Katherine is with Rebbie and is being prescribed by a "physician"... this according to TMZ.

11:40 AM PT -- A source tells the AP that Katherine is is with her daughter Rebbie and has been prescribed rest by a physician.

Oh how convenient that Jermaine Randy this "source" tells the AP this now. Whatever!

How come these "sources" as well as Jermaine have time to speak to the media yet no one can bother to pick up a phone and call home to let the worried kids and other family members know what's transpiring with Katherine?

unbelievable.

EXACTLY!

This is such a mess. It was preventable though. It never should have gotten this out of hand.

Cinnamon234 said:

How come these "sources" as well as Jermaine have time to speak to the media yet no one can bother to pick up a phone and call home to let the worried kids and other family members know what's transpiring with Katherine?

unbelievable.

Exactly! It would take one phone call but no, they've got to make sure they talk to TMZ because TMZ really gives a flying fuck about Katherine Jackson's well-being.

^ Agreed.