Cinnamon234 said:

Oh shutup. The only one stressing Katherine is her own money hungry children who want the executors fired. That's what this is all about. Some of you are so ridiculous. The crazy fans, the crazy detractors. All are the same. Neither side is better or more more level headed than the next no matter how much you'd like to believe otherwise.

AGREE.

I do not fuckin trust the Jackson Family... they after Mike money, they aint getting shit

I hope Katherine is okay, this is a mess

FnkyManifesto7 said:

FnkyManifesto7 said:

My opinion: If she was okay, then she wouldve told whoever is watching the kids. Maybe she did have the stroke.

the fact that Jermaine claims that she's with him, and can't even contct the grandkids about it shows how disorganized and dysfunctional this family is. Their stench of lust for wealth definitely clouds up Mj's legacy a tad bit. You should see twitter right now. All the hardcore MJ fans are freaking out. Maybe Kate had the stroke and is resting. But some peeps are blowing it out of proportion.

It would have never gotten to that point if the ADULTS in this situation had used better judgement and handled the situation better.

All it takes is one phone call from Katherine to those kids and everything would be okay. At the very least one of the siblings should call those kids and tell them what's going on with their grandmother and legal guardian.

The Family obviously has no regard for those kids or their feelings. They keep letting this thing drag out. Just pick up the phone and call. Instead Jermaine is on twitter arguing with people about this. How about calling Paris or anyone at the home to let them know how Mrs. Jackson is doing? Ridiculous.

What idiots.

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

If she's with Randy and Jermaine and perfectly fine, then they could easily put an end to the drama by letting her talk to the other family members on the phone, right?

Something doesn't seem right.

A simple phone call would've resolved this mess. And some reports are very conflicting: either Katherine is in a spa or in a hospital or with Trent Jackson back in Los Angeles... and yet Paris still don't know how she is because her aunts and uncles ain't telling her? Yeah, real fishy.

Azz said:

musicology54 said:

Azz said: Seriously. Can you have one post where you don't bash us. What did mj fans ever do to you?

This is me doing what MJ fans have been doing for the last two days. And I truly believe it. Paris has helped create rumours suggesting that the Jacksons are liars and now... kidnapping their own mother. And obviously, MJ fans, who thrive off of people doing bad things to michael have ate it up and further spread it, to the media - The same people who tormented Michael. You guys are now using them as reliable sources. Which is just completely hypocritcal.

Seriously, Katherine is safer with her own kids than her non-biological grand children. Blood is thicker than water. If Katherine really wanted to contact attention seeking and selfish Paris. She would have done so by now. Unless of course, she has been kidnapped by her own children

Besides, on doctors orders, Katherine is resting. As you can tell, Paris is clearly a handfull.

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I consider myself a big Mj fan, but

NaughtyKitty said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

If she's with Randy and Jermaine and perfectly fine, then they could easily put an end to the drama by letting her talk to the other family members on the phone, right?

Something doesn't seem right.

Something definitely isnt right. This whole thing is shady.

True.

The whole thing reaks of BULLSHIT...

Cinnamon234 said:

FnkyManifesto7 said:

the fact that Jermaine claims that she's with him, and can't even contct the grandkids about it shows how disorganized and dysfunctional this family is. Their stench of lust for wealth definitely clouds up Mj's legacy a tad bit. You should see twitter right now. All the hardcore MJ fans are freaking out. Maybe Kate had the stroke and is resting. But some peeps are blowing it out of proportion.

It would have never gotten to that point if the ADULTS in this situation had used better judgement and handled the situation better.

All it takes is one phone call from Katherine to those kids and everything would be okay. At the very least one of the siblings should call those kids and tell them what's going on with their grandmother and legal guardian.

The Family obvioulsy has no regard for those kids or their feelings. They keep letting this thing drag out. Just pick up the phone and call.

What idiots.

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EXACTLY! For them to let things get so out of hand shows they only are looking out for THEM and certainly not the kids. Why wouldnt they let Paris talk to Katherine? Or why couldnt they have let her and Prince, Blanket, and Trent know Katherine's whereabouts and that she's ok? They're up to something I dont think its anything good!

Cinnamon234 said:

FnkyManifesto7 said:

the fact that Jermaine claims that she's with him, and can't even contct the grandkids about it shows how disorganized and dysfunctional this family is. Their stench of lust for wealth definitely clouds up Mj's legacy a tad bit. You should see twitter right now. All the hardcore MJ fans are freaking out. Maybe Kate had the stroke and is resting. But some peeps are blowing it out of proportion.

It would have never gotten to that point if the ADULTS in this situation had used better judgement and handled the situation better.

All it takes is one phone call from Katherine to those kids and everything would be okay. At the very least one of the siblings should call those kids and tell them what's going on with their grandmother and legal guardian.

The Family obviously has no regard for those kids or their feelings. They keep letting this thing drag out. Just pick up the phone and call. Instead Jermaine is on twitter arguing with people about this. How about calling Paris or anyone at the home to let them know how Mrs. Jackson is doing? Ridiculous.

What idiots.

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AGREE.... Why would you keep the childrens guardian away from them knowing that SHE TAKES CARE OF THEM SO OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE WORRIED IF THEY HAVENT HEARD FOR HER

FnkyManifesto7 said:

Azz said:

This is me doing what MJ fans have been doing for the last two days. And I truly believe it. Paris has helped create rumours suggesting that the Jacksons are liars and now... kidnapping their own mother. And obviously, MJ fans, who thrive off of people doing bad things to michael have ate it up and further spread it, to the media - The same people who tormented Michael. You guys are now using them as reliable sources. Which is just completely hypocritcal.

Seriously, Katherine is safer with her own kids than her non-biological grand children. Blood is thicker than water. If Katherine really wanted to contact attention seeking and selfish Paris. She would have done so by now. Unless of course, she has been kidnapped by her own children

Besides, on doctors orders, Katherine is resting. As you can tell, Paris is clearly a handfull.

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I consider myself a big Mj fan, but

I do to. But I don't consider his music, talent or him as a person, to be perfect.

Cinnamon234 said:

FnkyManifesto7 said:

the fact that Jermaine claims that she's with him, and can't even contct the grandkids about it shows how disorganized and dysfunctional this family is. Their stench of lust for wealth definitely clouds up Mj's legacy a tad bit. You should see twitter right now. All the hardcore MJ fans are freaking out. Maybe Kate had the stroke and is resting. But some peeps are blowing it out of proportion.

It would have never gotten to that point if the ADULTS in this situation had used better judgement and handled the situation better.

All it takes is one phone call from Katherine to those kids and everything would be okay. At the very least one of the siblings should call those kids and tell them what's going on with their grandmother and legal guardian.

The Family obviously has no regard for those kids or their feelings. They keep letting this thing drag out. Just pick up the phone and call. Instead Jermaine is on twitter arguing with people about this. How about calling Paris or anyone at the home to let them know how Mrs. Jackson is doing? Ridiculous.

What idiots.

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Kather is an adult too, not an imbecile. She CAN pick up a phone. Unless of course, she has sufferend a stroke. But according to MJ fans she hasn't.

9:30 AM PT -- Katherine's lawyer released a statement, saying in part, "Concerned family members, particularly Michael's children, have since made ongoing pleas to those believed to have knowledge of her location for information regarding her whereabouts. The only reports provided have been both conflicting and confusing -- especially those pertaining to the status of Katherine Jackson's health. When Michael's children last saw their grandmother on July 15, 2012, she was in great health physically as well as mentally."

She continued, "Prince, Paris, and Blanket are the light of Katherine Jackson's life, as she is to those children. Out of concern for Mrs. Jackson's well-being and in an effort to ensure her being safely reunited with her grandchildren as soon as possible, a report was filed on Saturday with the Sheriff's Department who will be investigating this matter."

Azz said:

FnkyManifesto7 said:

I consider myself a big Mj fan, but

I do to. But I don't consider his music, talent or him as a person, to be perfect.

WE GET THAT... But why do you have to say that in EVERY post like your trying to prove something to us.

That has NOTHING to do with what this thread is about. If you do not like Michaels music or him as person FINE WHO CARES but that has nothing to do with the letter or Katherines where abouts...

You get on MJ fans but your the one that seems more of a stan that gets a kick out of bashing MJ.

NaughtyKitty said:

9:30 AM PT -- Katherine's lawyer released a statement, saying in part, "Concerned family members, particularly Michael's children, have since made ongoing pleas to those believed to have knowledge of her location for information regarding her whereabouts. The only reports provided have been both conflicting and confusing -- especially those pertaining to the status of Katherine Jackson's health. When Michael's children last saw their grandmother on July 15, 2012, she was in great health physically as well as mentally."

She continued, "Prince, Paris, and Blanket are the light of Katherine Jackson's life, as she is to those children. Out of concern for Mrs. Jackson's well-being and in an effort to ensure her being safely reunited with her grandchildren as soon as possible, a report was filed on Saturday with the Sheriff's Department who will be investigating this matter."

That was over a week ago. Proving, that Paris lied.

Azz said:

Cinnamon234 said:

It would have never gotten to that point if the ADULTS in this situation had used better judgement and handled the situation better.

All it takes is one phone call from Katherine to those kids and everything would be okay. At the very least one of the siblings should call those kids and tell them what's going on with their grandmother and legal guardian.

The Family obviously has no regard for those kids or their feelings. They keep letting this thing drag out. Just pick up the phone and call. Instead Jermaine is on twitter arguing with people about this. How about calling Paris or anyone at the home to let them know how Mrs. Jackson is doing? Ridiculous.

What idiots.

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Kather is an adult too, not an imbecile. She CAN pick up a phone. Unless of course, she has sufferend a stroke. But according to MJ fans she hasn't.

Oh will you stop with the jabs already? Enough. They're tired. Stop worrying about MJ fans and what they think. That's neither here nor there. No one really knows what's going on with Katherine's health.

And if you read what I wrote, I did say that Katherine should call those kids, that is if she's able too. If she's not, then someone else should. I don't care how much you dislike Paris or MJ, but Katherine is legally responsible for them actually so someone should get in contact with them. Bottom line.

Cinnamon234 said:

Azz said:

Kather is an adult too, not an imbecile. She CAN pick up a phone. Unless of course, she has sufferend a stroke. But according to MJ fans she hasn't.

Oh will you stop with the jabs already? Enough. They're tired. Stop worrying about MJ fans and what they think. That's neither here nor there. No one really knows what's going on with Katherine's health.

And if you read what I wrote, I did say that Katherine should call those kids, that is if she's able too. If she's not, then someone else should. I don't care how much you dislike Paris or MJ, but Katherine is legally responsible for them actually so someone should get in contact with them. Bottom line.

BOTTOMLINE...

And that's really all it boils down to: if phone calls had been made between grandmother and granddaughter/grandsons, there wouldn't have been no need for anyone filing a missing persons report. Fuck about "fans" and the like, that's not what this is all about.

Lemme ask some a question here: if your parent or grandparent had to take care of your kids on the premise of you passing away and they were being whisked away by one of their children and not have contact for a week, would you think it was normal?

Oh and Jermaine's tweets were from a few days before the missing persons report was filed.

Azz said:

NaughtyKitty said:

9:30 AM PT -- Katherine's lawyer released a statement, saying in part, "Concerned family members, particularly Michael's children, have since made ongoing pleas to those believed to have knowledge of her location for information regarding her whereabouts. The only reports provided have been both conflicting and confusing -- especially those pertaining to the status of Katherine Jackson's health. When Michael's children last saw their grandmother on July 15, 2012, she was in great health physically as well as mentally."

She continued, "Prince, Paris, and Blanket are the light of Katherine Jackson's life, as she is to those children. Out of concern for Mrs. Jackson's well-being and in an effort to ensure her being safely reunited with her grandchildren as soon as possible, a report was filed on Saturday with the Sheriff's Department who will be investigating this matter."

That was over a week ago. Proving, that Paris lied.

No she didnt lie. Stop seeing things that arent there.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

I do to. But I don't consider his music, talent or him as a person, to be perfect.

WE GET THAT... But why do you have to say that in EVERY post like your trying to prove something to us.

That has NOTHING to do with what this thread is about. If you do not like Michaels music or him as person FINE WHO CARES but that has nothing to do with the letter or Katherines where abouts...

You get on MJ fans but your the one that seems more of a stan that gets a kick out of bashing MJ.

LOl he's one of these posters who think they seem "sane" and "credible" by constantly going against the "crazy" MJ fans like us. He's here to put us crazies in our place and hit us with a dose of reality! Or didn't you know? I think it's ridiculous either way. MJ detractors will agree with ANYONE even the money grubbing Jackson siblings as along as it's against MJ or his kids whom many of them seem to dislike as well. MJ fans are extreme at times but I don't blame them in this instance.

There's no defending the Jacksons actions here if you ask me.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

I do to. But I don't consider his music, talent or him as a person, to be perfect.

WE GET THAT... But why do you have to say that in EVERY post like your trying to prove something to us.

That has NOTHING to do with what this thread is about. If you do not like Michaels music or him as person FINE WHO CARES but that has nothing to do with the letter or Katherines where abouts...

You get on MJ fans but your the one that seems more of a stan that gets a kick out of bashing MJ.

There's a difference between not liking his music, and not thinking it's perfect.

But, if there was an instance where MJ was actually in the wrong. MJ fans would automatically assume otherwise, as they think he can do no wrong.

And MJ fans don't have to jump to conclusions to bash Michael's siblings. They thrive off of rumours saying negative things about Michael's siblings. I wonder why. For people who claim Michael's achievements, etc are untouchable. Why do they feel the need to bash the other siblings, in particular, Janet - who has had an extremely successful career, and had alot more money than MJ -- who was in $500 million debt.

My point is being. Because MJ fans are so sensitive and defensive. They are making up lies (such as the Jacksons kidnapping their own mother, or that the Jacksons are stealing and manipulating their own mother) which are uttler false, and merely conceived conclusions. They are then spreading this to high profile media, which is clearly causing stress in the family (as Jermaine comented on it - so obviously it was significant enough to mention).

Cinnamon234 said:

mjscarousal said:

WE GET THAT... But why do you have to say that in EVERY post like your trying to prove something to us.

That has NOTHING to do with what this thread is about. If you do not like Michaels music or him as person FINE WHO CARES but that has nothing to do with the letter or Katherines where abouts...

You get on MJ fans but your the one that seems more of a stan that gets a kick out of bashing MJ.

LOl he's one of these posters who think they seem "sane" and "credible" by constantly going against the "crazy" MJ fans like us. He's here to put us crazies in our place and hit us with a dose of reality! Or didn't you know? I think it's ridiculous either way. MJ detractors will agree with ANYONE even the money grubbing Jackson siblings as along as it's against MJ or his kids whom many of them seem to dislike as well. MJ fans are extreme at times but I don't blame them in this instance.

There's no defending the Jacksons actions here if you ask me.

Yes, there is no defending Paris Jackson. Claiming her grandmother was fine, stating that her uncles and aunts are lying, TELLING them to have respect - When she hadn't even seen her grand mother for days, and didn't even know where her grandmother was!

Timmy84 said:

And that's really all it boils down to: if phone calls had been made between grandmother and granddaughter/grandsons, there wouldn't have been no need for anyone filing a missing persons report. Fuck about "fans" and the like, that's not what this is all about.

Lemme ask some a question here: if your parent or grandparent had to take care of your kids on the premise of you passing away and they were being whisked away by one of their children and not have contact for a week, would you think it was normal?

Oh and Jermaine's tweets were from a few days before the missing persons report was filed.

Thank you! Its apparent that a certain few in this thread are just for attention.

NaughtyKitty said:

Azz said:

That was over a week ago. Proving, that Paris lied.

No she didnt lie. Stop seeing things that arent there.

She hadn't seen her grandmother for days, and didn't know where her grandmother was, nor was she in contact with her grandmother.

She lied.

Timmy84 said:

And that's really all it boils down to: if phone calls had been made between grandmother and granddaughter/grandsons, there wouldn't have been no need for anyone filing a missing persons report. Fuck about "fans" and the like, that's not what this is all about.

Lemme ask some a question here: if your parent or grandparent had to take care of your kids on the premise of you passing away and they were being whisked away by one of their children and not have contact for a week, would you think it was normal?

Oh and Jermaine's tweets were from a few days before the missing persons report was filed.

Katherine is not an imbecile. She can call herself. Either she has chosen not to, or she is recovering from a stroke (which can't be true, according to the media and MJ fans - based on Paris' lie), or she has been kidnapped.

Paris is not the only active person on twitter. For example, La Toya has been on twitter everyday this month posting AT LEAST 2 tweets per day praying for Colorado victims seeing the brothers and other "important" stuff. There's no way she wouldn't know what's going on in the media and on twitter. How come she is silent?

Azz said:

NaughtyKitty said:

No she didnt lie. Stop seeing things that arent there.

She hadn't seen her grandmother for days, and didn't know where her grandmother was, nor was she in contact with her grandmother.

She lied.

The last time she saw her she was in great health and I would assume if I were in her shoes that if my grandma had a stroke and was ill, someone would have told me.

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dag said:

Azz said:

She hadn't seen her grandmother for days, and didn't know where her grandmother was, nor was she in contact with her grandmother.

She lied.

The last time she saw her she was in great health and I would assume if I were in her shoes that if my "guardian" had a stroke and was ill, someone would have told me.

Regardless. She stated that her grandmother had not had a stroke. There is no way she could have known, as she had had no contact, didn't know where Katherine was, and hadn't seen her for days.

And even if Katherine has not had a stroke - she still lied, because there is no way she could have known for sure.

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Timmy84 said:

And that's really all it boils down to: if phone calls had been made between grandmother and granddaughter/grandsons, there wouldn't have been no need for anyone filing a missing persons report. Fuck about "fans" and the like, that's not what this is all about.

Lemme ask some a question here: if your parent or grandparent had to take care of your kids on the premise of you passing away and they were being whisked away by one of their children and not have contact for a week, would you think it was normal?

Oh and Jermaine's tweets were from a few days before the missing persons report was filed.

Of course it isn't normal but MJ detractors can't let something like LOGIC or common sense get in the way of their useless rants.

This isn't normal at all. As I said, if I personally as an adult in their 20's get worried when I don't hear from my Parents, then imagine how it is for children like Paris, Prince and Blanket who live with Katherine and aren't used to going this long without speaking to her?

Imagine that and then when you call, you are told she is "unavailable" to speak.

As I said, these ADULTS should have handled this situation better. They are not acting in a responsible or rational matter. If Katherine is able to call them and she isn't, then that's even worse being that she is the one who as i've said a million times already is LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for her grandchildren. You can't just ignore or abandon kids who you are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for for an entire week.

What don't some of you get about that?! Take all your personal feelings out of this for a second and understand that this is not okay. If a Parent told their UNDERAGE kids they were going on vacation and never ONCE called during that week to check up on them, most people would say that was uncaring or irresponsible. Then when the children call to try to get in touch, they are told the Parent is "unavailable" to speak.

That is not normal. That is not okay.

I suspect the courts will look at this. This doesn't look good for Katherine being their guardian and all if she is in fact OKAY and able to speak but I still suspect that the siblings are behind this and not Katherine. Such a dysfunctional Family.

Azz said:

dag said:

The last time she saw her she was in great health and I would assume if I were in her shoes that if my "guardian" had a stroke and was ill, someone would have told me.

Regardless. She stated that her grandmother had not had a stroke. There is no way she could have known, as she had had no contact, didn't know where Katherine was, and hadn't seen her for days.

And even if Katherine has not had a stroke - she still lied, because there is no way she could have known for sure.

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You're still missing my point? If she had a stroke, why didn't they tell the kids right away?

Azz said:

There's a difference between not liking his music, and not thinking it's perfect.

Your right their is a difference.... but what does that have to do with THIS thread?

Azz said:

But, if there was an instance where MJ was actually in the wrong. MJ fans would automatically assume otherwise, as they think he can do no wrong.

Thats not true...at all but once again what does that have to do with THIS thread.

Azz said:

And MJ fans don't have to jump to conclusions to bash Michael's siblings.

Nobody is jumping to conclusions. Throughout Michaels life and even in death, his family have used him for money and are liars. The Jacksons do not have a good history of being honest and have a long history of greed. If the siblings are aware of Katherines whereabouts what is so wrong in them informing MJs kids since Katherine is the LEGAL GUARDIAN of them and they are minors?

I agree Paris shouldnt be on twitter but she is just reacting to what she is being told and so far that is... nothing.

Azz said:

They thrive off of rumours saying negative things about Michael's siblings. I wonder why. For people who claim Michael's achievements, etc are untouchable. Why do they feel the need to bash the other siblings, in particular, Janet - who has had an extremely successful career, and had alot more money than MJ -- who was in $500 million debt.

How are MJ fans thriving off of rumors when MJ kids do not know where Katherine is? It appears no one knows where they are and Jermaine and Randy are assuring they know where she is and that she is okay. Dont you think they should pick up the phone and tell MJs kids that?

What does MJ being in debt has do with anything?

MJ was in some debt the latter of his career but during his prime Michael made way more money than Janet could ever dream and currently makes more than Janet regardless of how much debt he was in since you BROUGHT IT UP

Azz said:

My point is being. Because MJ fans are so sensitive and defensive. They are making up lies (such as the Jacksons kidnapping their own mother, or that the Jacksons are stealing and manipulating their own mother) which are uttler false, and merely conceived conclusions. They are then spreading this to high profile media, which is clearly causing stress in the family (as Jermaine comented on it - so obviously it was significant enough to mention).

For the record, ALL stans are of any artist and given the territory when it comes to Michael JACKSON with the lies, sensational stories, gossip, media spin on the untruths and the truths we have to be this way.

I dont think its fair to make a generalization of MJ fans within every post because it doesnt make your opinion more credible because someone can easily say the same about you and your dislike for Michael which I think has a big biased on your posts overall.

dag said:

Azz said:

Regardless. She stated that her grandmother had not had a stroke. There is no way she could have known, as she had had no contact, didn't know where Katherine was, and hadn't seen her for days.

And even if Katherine has not had a stroke - she still lied, because there is no way she could have known for sure.

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You're still missing my point? If she had a stroke, why didn't they tell the kids right away?

I can't answer that, how am I supposed to? I don't jump to conclusions like MJ fans do. Nor do I spread negative rumours.

But I repeat, there is no way Paris could have known. And there is no way she could have been sure enough to question her own aunts and uncles publically. And at the same time, stupidly disrespecting them and spreading false rumours to cynical MJ fans and media.

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