kibbles said:

Azz said:

I don't need to heed my advice. I'm not the one making any accusations; let alone absurd accusations.

oh please. you made two clear accusations in your post: that there is something untoward about katherine having to request an allowance, and that the executors have not been giving mj3 their money. i notice you didn't address those facts.

in another post, you questioned the amount of money the execs have made on this case, as if they've done something wrong. isn't that accusatory? fyi, under the law, they are allowed to make money on and for the estate. moreover, the estate is in probate so almost every decision they make has to be signed off on by the judge. the estate has brought in over $475m, so at their 7% rate (approved by the judge), they've likely made about $33.5m or a little over $16m each. in the meantime, mj's estate is worth several times that, and it most of it goes to his mother and kids. so tell me, in what way have the execs been greedy? they've funded the trust, with more money to come as the estate goes more into the black, they've paid off katherine's debts, ironically having to pay the lawyers that she's retained to remove them from their duties, and they have shut down illegal enterprises - including those of the family - to ensure mj's kids' future.

Questioning the sincerity of something is not the same as stating absurd acccusations as facts. No.

How did you come to the conclusion that they are paying for Katherine's lawyers?

Free2BMe said:

Wow,at the SPIN that this family is putting on this letter to the executors.They are trying to take the focus off of their intentions onto a little girl reacting to the LIE that her grandmother had a stroke. Nowhere in this letter did it mention that Katherine had a stroke "today". Instead the letter said that she had a stroke "recently". Paris responded to THAT statement. This letter was intentionally released to the media-a tabloid- for the sole purpose of intimidation and garnering sympathy from the public. What this family did not anticipate was the actions of an innocent child who read a LIE about her grandmother having a stroke when she didn't. Of couirse, even Katherine is saying that she didn't have a stroke. Therefore, why would Randy, Jermaine, Janet, Rebbie and Tito go along with this LIE about a stroke that never happened. The sad thing is that there are idiots and defenders of this family who are going along with this scam that the Jackson Family are perpetuating. But for the actions of an innocent child, the public would have fallen for the Jackson's attempt to get control of an estate that Michael NEVER wanted them to be a part of. I guess the defenders of the Jackson Family would rather they take away the rightful heirs-his children-inheritance. GREED and MONEY is behind this farce and none of it has to do with Katherine's health. These people are running scared. They are the ones who sued AEG when they knew damn well that Conrad Murray was soley responsible for Michael's death. This family has been about money from the beginning this is the very reason that they claim "Murray is the fall guy". Murray has no cash. Therefore, they sued AEG to TRY and get the BIG$$$$$. Any health issues that Katherine develops is not the cause of the estate. The cause will be this family's greed to get Michael's money by sueing AEG. I guess they thought that AEG would just sit back, roll over and GIVE them what they want. The estate did NOT make the Jacksons sue AEG. These people did this out of greed. From the day Michael was murdered, their main incentive has been MONEY, even over justice. Don't forget these are the same people who want to act as if Conrad Murray, the MURDERER had nothing to do with Michael's death. The ignorance of this family baffles.

The real bottomline is that this family is trying to take control of the guardianship of these children away from Katherine by insinuating, saying that their mother had a "stroke" recently. If Randy, Janet, Rebbie, Tito(the ones who signed the letter) take control of guardianship, THEY will receive the $60,000-$70,000 a MONTH that the estate is paying Katherine. Remember, this money is all HERS to do with what she wants. The estate pays for her house, maintenance, staff and everything else. Michael's children get their own allowance from the estate; therefore, the money that Katherine gets is all HERS. For thes Jacksons to lie and say that Katherine is getting no money is a LIE. The greedy bastards who constructed and signed this letter just want to get THEIR hands on the money so they can spend and squander it. Jane't signature says a lot about her. She wants them to get the money so SHE doesn't have to help support her own family as Michael did when he was alive and is now doing in death.

[Edited 7/20/12 17:00pm]

You are beyond insane seriously I mean, do you realise what you just wrote? I really have no words.. I knew some MJ stans were "special" but this.. At this point only the Lord can help you.

MrUFOman93 said:

Free2BMe said:

Wow,at the SPIN that this family is putting on this letter to the executors.They are trying to take the focus off of their intentions onto a little girl reacting to the LIE that her grandmother had a stroke. Nowhere in this letter did it mention that Katherine had a stroke "today". Instead the letter said that she had a stroke "recently". Paris responded to THAT statement. This letter was intentionally released to the media-a tabloid- for the sole purpose of intimidation and garnering sympathy from the public. What this family did not anticipate was the actions of an innocent child who read a LIE about her grandmother having a stroke when she didn't. Of couirse, even Katherine is saying that she didn't have a stroke. Therefore, why would Randy, Jermaine, Janet, Rebbie and Tito go along with this LIE about a stroke that never happened. The sad thing is that there are idiots and defenders of this family who are going along with this scam that the Jackson Family are perpetuating. But for the actions of an innocent child, the public would have fallen for the Jackson's attempt to get control of an estate that Michael NEVER wanted them to be a part of. I guess the defenders of the Jackson Family would rather they take away the rightful heirs-his children-inheritance. GREED and MONEY is behind this farce and none of it has to do with Katherine's health. These people are running scared. They are the ones who sued AEG when they knew damn well that Conrad Murray was soley responsible for Michael's death. This family has been about money from the beginning this is the very reason that they claim "Murray is the fall guy". Murray has no cash. Therefore, they sued AEG to TRY and get the BIG$$$$$. Any health issues that Katherine develops is not the cause of the estate. The cause will be this family's greed to get Michael's money by sueing AEG. I guess they thought that AEG would just sit back, roll over and GIVE them what they want. The estate did NOT make the Jacksons sue AEG. These people did this out of greed. From the day Michael was murdered, their main incentive has been MONEY, even over justice. Don't forget these are the same people who want to act as if Conrad Murray, the MURDERER had nothing to do with Michael's death. The ignorance of this family baffles.

The real bottomline is that this family is trying to take control of the guardianship of these children away from Katherine by insinuating, saying that their mother had a "stroke" recently. If Randy, Janet, Rebbie, Tito(the ones who signed the letter) take control of guardianship, THEY will receive the $60,000-$70,000 a MONTH that the estate is paying Katherine. Remember, this money is all HERS to do with what she wants. The estate pays for her house, maintenance, staff and everything else. Michael's children get their own allowance from the estate; therefore, the money that Katherine gets is all HERS. For thes Jacksons to lie and say that Katherine is getting no money is a LIE. The greedy bastards who constructed and signed this letter just want to get THEIR hands on the money so they can spend and squander it. Jane't signature says a lot about her. She wants them to get the money so SHE doesn't have to help support her own family as Michael did when he was alive and is now doing in death.

[Edited 7/20/12 17:00pm]

You are beyond insane seriously I mean, do you realise what you just wrote? I really have no words.. I knew some MJ stans were "special" but this.. At this point only the Lord can help you.

Exactly.

Azz said:

kibbles said:

oh please. you made two clear accusations in your post: that there is something untoward about katherine having to request an allowance, and that the executors have not been giving mj3 their money. i notice you didn't address those facts.

in another post, you questioned the amount of money the execs have made on this case, as if they've done something wrong. isn't that accusatory? fyi, under the law, they are allowed to make money on and for the estate. moreover, the estate is in probate so almost every decision they make has to be signed off on by the judge. the estate has brought in over $475m, so at their 7% rate (approved by the judge), they've likely made about $33.5m or a little over $16m each. in the meantime, mj's estate is worth several times that, and it most of it goes to his mother and kids. so tell me, in what way have the execs been greedy? they've funded the trust, with more money to come as the estate goes more into the black, they've paid off katherine's debts, ironically having to pay the lawyers that she's retained to remove them from their duties, and they have shut down illegal enterprises - including those of the family - to ensure mj's kids' future.

Questioning the sincerity of something is not the same as stating absurd acccusations as facts. No.

How did you come to the conclusion that they are paying for Katherine's lawyers?

from the documents that have been presented in court. whenever something about the mj estate is made public, tmz is on it like flies on shit.

Free2BMe said:

Wow,at the SPIN that this family is putting on this letter to the executors.They are trying to take the focus off of their intentions onto a little girl reacting to the LIE that her grandmother had a stroke. Nowhere in this letter did it mention that Katherine had a stroke "today". Instead the letter said that she had a stroke "recently". Paris responded to THAT statement. This letter was intentionally released to the media-a tabloid- for the sole purpose of intimidation and garnering sympathy from the public. What this family did not anticipate was the actions of an innocent child who read a LIE about her grandmother having a stroke when she didn't. Of couirse, even Katherine is saying that she didn't have a stroke. Therefore, why would Randy, Jermaine, Janet, Rebbie and Tito go along with this LIE about a stroke that never happened. The sad thing is that there are idiots and defenders of this family who are going along with this scam that the Jackson Family are perpetuating. But for the actions of an innocent child, the public would have fallen for the Jackson's attempt to get control of an estate that Michael NEVER wanted them to be a part of. I guess the defenders of the Jackson Family would rather they take away the rightful heirs-his children-inheritance. GREED and MONEY is behind this farce and none of it has to do with Katherine's health. These people are running scared. They are the ones who sued AEG when they knew damn well that Conrad Murray was soley responsible for Michael's death. This family has been about money from the beginning this is the very reason that they claim "Murray is the fall guy". Murray has no cash. Therefore, they sued AEG to TRY and get the BIG$$$$$. Any health issues that Katherine develops is not the cause of the estate. The cause will be this family's greed to get Michael's money by sueing AEG. I guess they thought that AEG would just sit back, roll over and GIVE them what they want. The estate did NOT make the Jacksons sue AEG. These people did this out of greed. From the day Michael was murdered, their main incentive has been MONEY, even over justice. Don't forget these are the same people who want to act as if Conrad Murray, the MURDERER had nothing to do with Michael's death. The ignorance of this family baffles.

The real bottomline is that this family is trying to take control of the guardianship of these children away from Katherine by insinuating, saying that their mother had a "stroke" recently. If Randy, Janet, Rebbie, Tito(the ones who signed the letter) take control of guardianship, THEY will receive the $60,000-$70,000 a MONTH that the estate is paying Katherine. Remember, this money is all HERS to do with what she wants. The estate pays for her house, maintenance, staff and everything else. Michael's children get their own allowance from the estate; therefore, the money that Katherine gets is all HERS. For thes Jacksons to lie and say that Katherine is getting no money is a LIE. The greedy bastards who constructed and signed this letter just want to get THEIR hands on the money so they can spend and squander it. Jane't signature says a lot about her. She wants them to get the money so SHE doesn't have to help support her own family as Michael did when he was alive and is now doing in death.

I was wondering why she would be involved in this.

mrs jackson is with her kids in arizona. if the jackson family is in spin control so is the estate, where do you think these 'sources' are coming from? i really dont think janet is concerned about mj's fans non support of her future projects, its not like she was counting on them in the first place, by the way jan is chilling with her boo in italy while this is taking place (she dont need nothing from mike's estate,she's just standing with her fam). so now that the media is not attacking mj its ok to believe everything they write?

lowkey said:

So now that the media is no longer attacking MJ, it's ok to believe everything they write?

Why won't this family fade into the obscurity they so richly deserve. Michael is gone and Janet is the only celebrity in the flock. The majority of the rest are just media hungry wolves with nothing better to do but air their psuedo-personal psychodramas ad naseum.

lowkey said:

mrs jackson is with her kids in arizona. if the jackson family is in spin control so is the estate, where do you think these 'sources' are coming from? i really dont think janet is concerned about mj's fans non support of her future projects, its not like she was counting on them in the first place, by the way jan is chilling with her boo in italy while this is taking place (she dont need nothing from mike's estate,she's just standing with her fam). so now that the media is not attacking mj its ok to believe everything they write?

First, it was said that Katherine was taking to a spa by her kids. Now Jermaine is saying that it is under doctor's orders that she is there. Which one is it Jermaine? Btw, No one thinks that Janet want's Michael's money for herself. However, imo, she wants it so that SHE doesn't have to support her family. Who the fuck believes EVERYTHING that the media says? I know that I don't and neither does the majority of Michael Jackson fans. We of all people know not to trust everything that the media says.BUT, The media did not write this letter. It was written/signed by siblings of Michael-Randy, Janet, Rebbie, Titio and Jermaine. You Janet stans act as if MJ fans wrote it or Paris or the estate. It was the aforementioned Jacksons that wrote and signed it. The only reason that you Janet stans and other Jackson defenders are angry is because this letter has backfired. This is ONE time that the media didn't ORIGINATE this shit. The Jackson siblings did. They are the only ones to blame for this letter. The Janet stans and other family defenders want to take the focus off of her and the ones who actually started this shit and put the focus/blame on a young girl defending her grandmother and the media who is reporting the letter drafted by the Jacksons. It's as simple as that.

Free2BMe said:

lowkey said:

mrs jackson is with her kids in arizona. if the jackson family is in spin control so is the estate, where do you think these 'sources' are coming from? i really dont think janet is concerned about mj's fans non support of her future projects, its not like she was counting on them in the first place, by the way jan is chilling with her boo in italy while this is taking place (she dont need nothing from mike's estate,she's just standing with her fam). so now that the media is not attacking mj its ok to believe everything they write?

First, it was said that Katherine was taking to a spa by her kids. Now Jermaine is saying that it is under doctor's orders that she is there. Which one is it Jermaine? Btw, No one thinks that Janet want's Michael's money for herself. However, imo, she wants it so that SHE doesn't have to support her family. Who the fuck believes EVERYTHING that the media says? I know that I don't and neither does the majority of Michael Jackson fans. We of all people know not to trust everything that the media says.BUT, The media did not write this letter. It was written/signed by siblings of Michael-Randy, Janet, Rebbie, Titio and Jermaine. You Janet stans act as if MJ fans wrote it or Paris or the estate. It was the aforementioned Jacksons that wrote and signed it. The only reason that you Janet stans and other Jackson defenders are angry is because this letter has backfired. This is ONE time that the media didn't ORIGINATE this shit. The Jackson siblings did. They are the only ones to blame for this letter. The Janet stans and other family defenders want to take the focus off of her and the ones who actually started this shit and put the focus/blame on a young girl defending her grandmother and the media who is reporting the letter drafted by the Jacksons. It's as simple as that.

It's time to take your medication sweetheart.

MrUFOman93 said:

Free2BMe said:

First, it was said that Katherine was taking to a spa by her kids. Now Jermaine is saying that it is under doctor's orders that she is there. Which one is it Jermaine? Btw, No one thinks that Janet want's Michael's money for herself. However, imo, she wants it so that SHE doesn't have to support her family. Who the fuck believes EVERYTHING that the media says? I know that I don't and neither does the majority of Michael Jackson fans. We of all people know not to trust everything that the media says.BUT, The media did not write this letter. It was written/signed by siblings of Michael-Randy, Janet, Rebbie, Titio and Jermaine. You Janet stans act as if MJ fans wrote it or Paris or the estate. It was the aforementioned Jacksons that wrote and signed it. The only reason that you Janet stans and other Jackson defenders are angry is because this letter has backfired. This is ONE time that the media didn't ORIGINATE this shit. The Jackson siblings did. They are the only ones to blame for this letter. The Janet stans and other family defenders want to take the focus off of her and the ones who actually started this shit and put the focus/blame on a young girl defending her grandmother and the media who is reporting the letter drafted by the Jacksons. It's as simple as that.

It's time to take your medication sweetheart.

Only if you take yours, sweetie.

I'm wondering where this "Janet is furious over niece Paris's role in film" bullshit is coming from. Yes, she stated months ago hat she'd like to see Paris wait before starting a show biz career, and that she has her whole life ahead of her, but she was far from furious. The whole thing is just,

lowkey said:

(she dont need nothing from mike's estate,she's just standing with her fam)

Standing with her family? Signing some laughable letter that was sent to a tabloid is nothing but a joke.

I pretty sure she isn't going to publicly denounce the executors in any interview anytime soon even though it would be huge for the family. Let her do that, then maybe some will start to think that maybe they are serious about this. But for now this is nothing but Randy and Jermaine pulling another Wile E. Coyote towards MJ's estate.

I've never seen a more non threatening family.

Let's take a break! Imma describe my reactions to this thread, in sequence:

SEANMAN said:

I'm wondering where this "Janet is furious over niece Paris's role in film" bullshit is coming from. Yes, she stated months ago hat she'd like to see Paris wait before starting a show biz career, and that she has her whole life ahead of her, but she was far from furious. The whole thing is just,

I've been saying the same thing. Janet was not "furious" when she was interviewed about this. Besides wasn't Janet younger than Paris when she started in showbiz?Btw, Michael told Barbara Walters during an interview that if his kids wanted to go into showbusiness that would be fine with him. He didn't mention what age they should be.

dag said:

Azz said:

She strikes me as ignorant and self-important. Also slightly attention seeking. Definitely one of those children who grow up and fall off the rails. Especially without proper parenthood. Michael was obviously busy very-often, suffering from addiction to the point where his personal hygiene was exremely low (Also, from the trial, I gathered he spent alot of his time by himself in his room). Not to mention, they are now in the care of Katherine, who is far too old to be brining up even more kids.

[Edited 7/19/12 10:07am]

What are you talking about?

And Michael's children are well-brought up and you don't achieve that without being a good parent.

Or a good nanny

Free2BMe said:

SEANMAN said:

I'm wondering where this "Janet is furious over niece Paris's role in film" bullshit is coming from. Yes, she stated months ago hat she'd like to see Paris wait before starting a show biz career, and that she has her whole life ahead of her, but she was far from furious. The whole thing is just,

I've been saying the same thing. Janet was not "furious" when she was interviewed about this. Besides wasn't Janet younger than Paris when she started in showbiz?Btw, Michael told Barbara Walters during an interview that if his kids wanted to go into showbusiness that would be fine with him. He didn't mention what age they should be.

I'm "furious" with this thread!

Emancipation89 said:

alphastreet said:

^ I'm not trying to insult you, but are you a conservative person? Many people don't want biological children, or perhaps are unable to. And despite who's children they are, don't you think it's racist to make an analysis like that about stating they have no racial traits of any other background? I'm really not trying to come off as delusional, but would you actually say things like this in the real world to anyone? I have a reverse example, I'm considered "pale" for my race by some people, and sometimes gete mistaken for being half white or mixed with some kind of european, but when people tell me that, it sounds like they are complimenting me for looking other than what I am, and I think I internalized it. My point is, people have made up their minds about people all looking one way if they are of a certain race, but that's a myth, in all backgrounds

[Edited 7/19/12 4:53am]

The common mistake a lot of people make is that they think they can tell a person's racial background by looking at their physical appearances. I wouldn't call it racism, but it's definitely not something you expect from an intelligent person either lol. As we all know, some people would rather believe their own imagination and assumption than just leave it to many different possibilities by simply admitting they don't know for sure. MJ's kids certainly seem to have more distinctive caucasian features but that doesn't mean I can confidently conclude they don't have any african american heritage.

Really, after all, a biracial person resembling one certain racial features more than the other is not that uncommon.

[Edited 7/19/12 8:43am]

Exactly! I went to school with a boy,and his father was black,and his mother was white. He was very dark complected,to look at him you would have never thought he had a white mother. You cannot always just look at someone,and tell what race they are.

Some of you people are truly touched

i completly agree with this person's take on the whole fiasco

I think some of these 'keep it real' fans and conspiracy mongers need to stop kidding themselves. You want truth? The truth is all of them are still trying to figure out how they are going to support themselves long term now that the golden goose is gone. There is only going to be but so many books they can write and so many anecdotes they can tell on TV about MJ. What are all these aging entertainers going to do from now on? They don't know. What are they going to do now that MJ/Katherine can't funnel them money, can't be used to broker deals, or to guilt trip into family projects?

Truth of the matter is the interest the family has gained in the wake of Michael's death won't last. They know it and they are trying desperately to find a new tap to draw from. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Janet signed that letter 1) bc her and Randy are buddies at the moment and 2) as long as they are chasing Michael's money hers is safe. Her signature doesn't lend any sort of credibility to the statement because she has her own motives for helping them. Do you think Janet Jackson would let any of her family members be the executor of her estate (Katherine included)? Hell no. And she knows that her brother who taught her about business wouldn't have done that either...yet here we are. Janet unlike some of the other family members, has the resources but doesn't involve herself. She lets them run around like jack asses, makes her little tired statements, and lives her life. It's called apathy. It's the one thing her brother couldn't do. Kudos to her.

They have been about the bottom-line since day one...let's not kid ourselves. That thirstiness from back in Gary is still there only they've already went as far as they're going to go because they don't learn ish.

HAPPYPERSON said:

i completly agree with this person's take on the whole fiasco

I think some of these 'keep it real' fans and conspiracy mongers need to stop kidding themselves. You want truth? The truth is all of them are still trying to figure out how they are going to support themselves long term now that the golden goose is gone. There is only going to be but so many books they can write and so many anecdotes they can tell on TV about MJ. What are all these aging entertainers going to do from now on? They don't know. What are they going to do now that MJ/Katherine can't funnel them money, can't be used to broker deals, or to guilt trip into family projects?

Truth of the matter is the interest the family has gained in the wake of Michael's death won't last. They know it and they are trying desperately to find a new tap to draw from. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Janet signed that letter 1) bc her and Randy are buddies at the moment and 2) as long as they are chasing Michael's money hers is safe. Her signature doesn't lend any sort of credibility to the statement because she has her own motives for helping them. Do you think Janet Jackson would let any of her family members be the executor of her estate (Katherine included)? Hell no. And she knows that her brother who taught her about business wouldn't have done that either...yet here we are. Janet unlike some of the other family members, has the resources but doesn't involve herself. She lets them run around like jack asses, makes her little tired statements, and lives her life. It's called apathy. It's the one thing her brother couldn't do. Kudos to her.

They have been about the bottom-line since day one...let's not kid ourselves. That thirstiness from back in Gary is still there only they've already went as far as they're going to go because they don't learn ish.

WONDERFUL POST!!!

HAPPYPERSON said:

i completly agree with this person's take on the whole fiasco

I think some of these 'keep it real' fans and conspiracy mongers need to stop kidding themselves. You want truth? The truth is all of them are still trying to figure out how they are going to support themselves long term now that the golden goose is gone. There is only going to be but so many books they can write and so many anecdotes they can tell on TV about MJ. What are all these aging entertainers going to do from now on? They don't know. What are they going to do now that MJ/Katherine can't funnel them money, can't be used to broker deals, or to guilt trip into family projects?

Truth of the matter is the interest the family has gained in the wake of Michael's death won't last. They know it and they are trying desperately to find a new tap to draw from. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Janet signed that letter 1) bc her and Randy are buddies at the moment and 2) as long as they are chasing Michael's money hers is safe. Her signature doesn't lend any sort of credibility to the statement because she has her own motives for helping them. Do you think Janet Jackson would let any of her family members be the executor of her estate (Katherine included)? Hell no. And she knows that her brother who taught her about business wouldn't have done that either...yet here we are. Janet unlike some of the other family members, has the resources but doesn't involve herself. She lets them run around like jack asses, makes her little tired statements, and lives her life. It's called apathy. It's the one thing her brother couldn't do. Kudos to her.

They have been about the bottom-line since day one...let's not kid ourselves. That thirstiness from back in Gary is still there only they've already went as far as they're going to go because they don't learn ish.

the interest is already waning. only a comparative handful of diehard j5 fans went to see them on tour. after it's over, what is there for them? aeg is not going to settle, so that suit is going nowhere. they're complaining about the depositions, cause all their shit is coming out. they'll pull out of the suit, and aeg will stick them with the costs, and the estate will be asked to pay those fees, too.

personally, i think the family is doing this to force katherine to demand more and more money from the estate, under the argument that mj left her 40%. they don't want their hands on the $70K she's getting now; that's chump change! they want access to the bigger pot and will push katherine to demand more. they have to do it soon. they know that katherine is elderly and can go at any time. the next couple of years is going to be very interesting.

about janet, yes, i say 'kudos' to her for having the balls to say 'no' or make sure that no one even thinks about asking her for money. on the other hand, it really, really, makes me not like her very much. you see your brother doing everything he can to help the family, warts and all, and you can't help him, for his sake? if katherine was getting $60K/mo. before mj died, then why couldn't janet offer to pay a third of that, or something? if for nothing else because of what mj had meant to her growing up. however, if she thinks that they won't be knocking on her door one day soon, she's wrong. the execs control the purse strings, and once katherine goes, they really won't bother with the rest of the family, especially after the kids become legal adults. the execs will be able to have more direct contact with them, they will become the faces of the mj brand, and the rest of the family will be aced out. so what goes around comes around, and janet won't be able to escape the thirsty bros. anymore than mj was.

[Edited 7/20/12 23:49pm]

^ i think Jackie is trying to extend the tour as long as the can

Jackie Jackson: hopes to eventually bring the Unity show to VegasJackson hopes to eventually bring the Unity show to Vegas on a full-time basis.

"After touring the world a couple of times, the plan is that we'll be playing on the Strip," he says. "We want find to a permanent home here."
Of course, there's the Michael Jackson-themed Cirque du Soleil show set to open at Mandalay Bay in December, which Jackson says he was not involved with, though he was consulted for Cirque's touring tribute to his brother, "The Immortal."
Until then, there's the Unity Tour, which Jackson knows will be greeted with some skepticism.
"A lot of people didn't know what they were going to get because Michael wasn't there, and I can understand that," Jackson says.
He then notes that the Jacksons are just trying to put on a good show, which he sees as the most honorable way of honoring his brother. on a full-time basis.

HAPPYPERSON said:

^ i think Jackie is trying to extend the tour as long as the can

Jackie Jackson: hopes to eventually bring the Unity show to VegasJackson hopes to eventually bring the Unity show to Vegas on a full-time basis.

"After touring the world a couple of times, the plan is that we'll be playing on the Strip," he says. "We want find to a permanent home here."
Of course, there's the Michael Jackson-themed Cirque du Soleil show set to open at Mandalay Bay in December, which Jackson says he was not involved with, though he was consulted for Cirque's touring tribute to his brother, "The Immortal."
Until then, there's the Unity Tour, which Jackson knows will be greeted with some skepticism.
"A lot of people didn't know what they were going to get because Michael wasn't there, and I can understand that," Jackson says.
He then notes that the Jacksons are just trying to put on a good show, which he sees as the most honorable way of honoring his brother. on a full-time basis.

i could have seen that happening if the unity tour had been an unqualified success. but i read a review of a recent show that noted the emptiness of the venue. remember, they're not playing vegas strip-level casinos; i believe they're more 'off-strip', sort of second-tier casinos. if they can't sell out those venues, then i don't think they're going to get a permanent show anywhere, at least not on the strip. sadly, the days when they headlined the mgm with the family show are gone.

they might be able to take this show to japan and europe - maybe, maybe - but i see it being a one time thing. they don't want to come to grips with their reality; i wouldn't either as its pretty grim.

i could have seen that happening if the unity tour had been an unqualified success. but i read a review of a recent show that noted the emptiness of the venue. remember, they're not playing vegas strip-level casinos; i believe they're more 'off-strip', sort of second-tier casinos. if they can't sell out those venues, then i don't think they're going to get a permanent show anywhere, at least not on the strip. sadly, the days when they headlined the mgm with the family show are gone.

they might be able to take this show to japan and europe - maybe, maybe - but i see it being a one time thing. they don't want to come to grips with their reality; i wouldn't either as its pretty grim.

that's really sad, to see how the brothers came from their humble beginnings then hitting it big with Motown now to see them struggling on their own, plus being in their brother's shadows majority of their lives.

MrUFOman93 said:

Free2BMe said:

First, it was said that Katherine was taking to a spa by her kids. Now Jermaine is saying that it is under doctor's orders that she is there. Which one is it Jermaine? Btw, No one thinks that Janet want's Michael's money for herself. However, imo, she wants it so that SHE doesn't have to support her family. Who the fuck believes EVERYTHING that the media says? I know that I don't and neither does the majority of Michael Jackson fans. We of all people know not to trust everything that the media says.BUT, The media did not write this letter. It was written/signed by siblings of Michael-Randy, Janet, Rebbie, Titio and Jermaine. You Janet stans act as if MJ fans wrote it or Paris or the estate. It was the aforementioned Jacksons that wrote and signed it. The only reason that you Janet stans and other Jackson defenders are angry is because this letter has backfired. This is ONE time that the media didn't ORIGINATE this shit. The Jackson siblings did. They are the only ones to blame for this letter. The Janet stans and other family defenders want to take the focus off of her and the ones who actually started this shit and put the focus/blame on a young girl defending her grandmother and the media who is reporting the letter drafted by the Jacksons. It's as simple as that.

It's time to take your medication sweetheart.

HAPPYPERSON said:

i completly agree with this person's take on the whole fiasco

I think some of these 'keep it real' fans and conspiracy mongers need to stop kidding themselves. You want truth? The truth is all of them are still trying to figure out how they are going to support themselves long term now that the golden goose is gone. There is only going to be but so many books they can write and so many anecdotes they can tell on TV about MJ. What are all these aging entertainers going to do from now on? They don't know. What are they going to do now that MJ/Katherine can't funnel them money, can't be used to broker deals, or to guilt trip into family projects?

Truth of the matter is the interest the family has gained in the wake of Michael's death won't last. They know it and they are trying desperately to find a new tap to draw from. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Janet signed that letter 1) bc her and Randy are buddies at the moment and 2) as long as they are chasing Michael's money hers is safe. Her signature doesn't lend any sort of credibility to the statement because she has her own motives for helping them. Do you think Janet Jackson would let any of her family members be the executor of her estate (Katherine included)? Hell no. And she knows that her brother who taught her about business wouldn't have done that either...yet here we are. Janet unlike some of the other family members, has the resources but doesn't involve herself. She lets them run around like jack asses, makes her little tired statements, and lives her life. It's called apathy. It's the one thing her brother couldn't do. Kudos to her.

They have been about the bottom-line since day one...let's not kid ourselves. That thirstiness from back in Gary is still there only they've already went as far as they're going to go because they don't learn ish.

this person sums everything up,perfectly

kibbles said:

HAPPYPERSON said:

i completly agree with this person's take on the whole fiasco

the interest is already waning. only a comparative handful of diehard j5 fans went to see them on tour. after it's over, what is there for them? aeg is not going to settle, so that suit is going nowhere. they're complaining about the depositions, cause all their shit is coming out. they'll pull out of the suit, and aeg will stick them with the costs, and the estate will be asked to pay those fees, too.

personally, i think the family is doing this to force katherine to demand more and more money from the estate, under the argument that mj left her 40%. they don't want their hands on the $70K she's getting now; that's chump change! they want access to the bigger pot and will push katherine to demand more. they have to do it soon. they know that katherine is elderly and can go at any time. the next couple of years is going to be very interesting.

about janet, yes, i say 'kudos' to her for having the balls to say 'no' or make sure that no one even thinks about asking her for money. on the other hand, it really, really, makes me not like her very much. you see your brother doing everything he can to help the family, warts and all, and you can't help him, for his sake? if katherine was getting $60K/mo. before mj died, then why couldn't janet offer to pay a third of that, or something? if for nothing else because of what mj had meant to her growing up. however, if she thinks that they won't be knocking on her door one day soon, she's wrong. the execs control the purse strings, and once katherine goes, they really won't bother with the rest of the family, especially after the kids become legal adults. the execs will be able to have more direct contact with them, they will become the faces of the mj brand, and the rest of the family will be aced out. so what goes around comes around, and janet won't be able to escape the thirsty bros. anymore than mj was.

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I had a massive debate about this over at Janet xone

Now, I really do admire Janet having balls to say NO... something Michael hardly ever did with pretty much anything.

HOWEVER, since Michaels passing I have looked at Janet in a different light which I would have never thought I would have since I pretty much grew up with her and shes one of my favorite artists.

I think its very selfish how she alllows the family to take advatnage of Michael. It makes me sick to my stomach how she has this indifference attitude toward her own family MICHAEL in particularly being that she claimed to have been the closest to him.

I understand Michael was grown and could have said no BUT even in death since he is not here to defend himself, I would think she would take more concern in securing his legacy instead she seems more concerned with the family not going after HER money and living HER LIFE because it doesnt concern her. She just comes off as really selfish to me in that respect. Michael may have allowed his family to take advantage of him but he DID show that despite his differences with his family he showed that he CARED about them and their well being while they did take advantage of that... Janet doesnt seem like she cares at all about Michael or the family honestly...and I LOVE Janet but just saying what Im observing through everything thats happened since Michael passed and before.

I just dont like when people make comments like they REALLY know a person or claiming to be the CLOSEST when in reality they can give less than a fuck because its not their ass on the line..

There is only going to be but so many books they can write and so many anecdotes they can tell on TV about MJ

They've been doing this for 30 years. I'm sure they will find a way.

Do you think Janet Jackson would let any of her family members be the executor of her estate (Katherine included)?

Just because they are requesting the stepping down of the executives, doesn't mean they are going to appoint themselves to do so. Not only do they have no experience, no grounds, it won't be accepted by a judge. They have not said that they are going to do this. This conclusion you have made is ridiculously stupid.

Truth of the matter is the interest the family has gained in the wake of Michael's death won't last.

It's been three years. And still going very strong

It doesn't surprise me one bit that Janet signed that letter 1) bc her and Randy are buddies at the moment and 2) as long as they are chasing Michael's money hers is safe. Her signature doesn't lend any sort of credibility to the statement because she has her own motives for helping them.

So you know the inside and outs of a celebrity's (who in reality you know nothing about) motives.

She lets them run around like jack asses, makes her little tired statements, and lives her life. It's called apathy. It's the one thing her brother couldn't do. Kudos to her.

Are you crazy. Why should this be her problem. As you said, Michael LEFT her out of the Will for a reason. Why should she attend to her brother's -who supposedly wanted nothing to do with her - non-biological kid. Especially when one of them has a stick up their ass, and thinks their megastar aunt is jealous of her two b-grade film offers.

TO conclude, you are a crazy obsessed person.

mjscarousal said:

kibbles said:

the interest is already waning. only a comparative handful of diehard j5 fans went to see them on tour. after it's over, what is there for them? aeg is not going to settle, so that suit is going nowhere. they're complaining about the depositions, cause all their shit is coming out. they'll pull out of the suit, and aeg will stick them with the costs, and the estate will be asked to pay those fees, too.

personally, i think the family is doing this to force katherine to demand more and more money from the estate, under the argument that mj left her 40%. they don't want their hands on the $70K she's getting now; that's chump change! they want access to the bigger pot and will push katherine to demand more. they have to do it soon. they know that katherine is elderly and can go at any time. the next couple of years is going to be very interesting.

about janet, yes, i say 'kudos' to her for having the balls to say 'no' or make sure that no one even thinks about asking her for money. on the other hand, it really, really, makes me not like her very much. you see your brother doing everything he can to help the family, warts and all, and you can't help him, for his sake? if katherine was getting $60K/mo. before mj died, then why couldn't janet offer to pay a third of that, or something? if for nothing else because of what mj had meant to her growing up. however, if she thinks that they won't be knocking on her door one day soon, she's wrong. the execs control the purse strings, and once katherine goes, they really won't bother with the rest of the family, especially after the kids become legal adults. the execs will be able to have more direct contact with them, they will become the faces of the mj brand, and the rest of the family will be aced out. so what goes around comes around, and janet won't be able to escape the thirsty bros. anymore than mj was.

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not going after HER money and living HER LIFE because it doesnt concern her.

This assumption is completely and utterly ridiculous. So much so, that is almost impossible to regard anything else that you are saying in your post.