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Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

What source did you get this from? Was there statements made by his lawyer? Because Ive never heard his lawyer say anything of the sort.. Your talking about the 1993 court case?

C'mon Azz

and even if he DID have bad hygiene how does that make him a bad parent? He provided for his children and raise them to be well mannered. He made sure they got their education and stayed out the spotlight. I think he was a very good father to his children despite his flaws.

No. The Conrad Murray case. I'm not saying he was a bad father, with or without his flaws...........

argh.

Azz Conrad Murray could give less than a fuck about Michael or his well being. That whole interview was geared to throw Michael under the bus. I dont believe a word Murray said and it also came out during the trial that he LIED with his numerous phone calls and the drugs found in Michaels system among other things. Everything I am saying came out during the trial, I know because I watched it!

I was just trying to understand your perspective. I just read a few of the posts here not all of what was said. So my bad if you feel like your repeating yourself

I just wouldnt trust someones words who believes that he had not part or responsibility in the death of their patient. Its absolutely against the Doctor code of conduct that Murray doesnt see any guilt on his part.

Paris Jackson is Right: Michael Jackson’s Mother Hasn’t Had a Stroke

Paris Jackson, 14, is right in her Tweets (see the accompanying item next). Sources tell me her grandmother, Katherine Jackson, has not had any kind of stroke. But a war is raging within the Jackson family concerning the wrongful death lawsuit against AEG Live. Depositions are being taken now, and the AEG lawyers are apparently being very aggressive with the family.

“Mrs. Jackson would probably like to call the whole thing off,” says my source. “But the kids are desperate. They see it slipping away from them.” Janet Jackson, I’m told, was pressured into signing a very vitriolic letter sent to Michael’s executors. “The whole thing is really Jermaine and Randy,” says my source.

What’s happened now is that the letter (see the previous item) has caused a rift between the siblings who signed it–Randy, Jermaine, Rebbie, Janet and Tito–and the people who live in Katherine Jackson’s home–Michael’s kids. Paris Jackson Tweeted that her uncle Randy was a “liar” according to reports. Randy responded on his Twitter feed: “The letter is authentic.” And: “We ask that everyone respects that this is a serious matter that will be handled by the proper authorities.”

But Randy and Jermaine — whose children are cousins and half-siblings to each other–may have made a very risky mistake here. In the process of trying to overturn Michael’s will, or get part of a settlement from AEG Live, they’ve alienated Michael’s children if they’ve lied about their mother’s health. There will be no going back from that.

The lawsuit against AEGLive contends that the company shouldn’t have hired Dr. Conrad Murray, and that they’re somehow responsible for his negligence. In fact, it was Michael who insisted that AEGLive hire Murray, who didn’t work long enough even to get paid.

Meanwhile, Janet Jackson reportedly told Prevention magazine that she’s lectured Paris about being part of a planned animated movie. Janet needn’t worry. So far, the movie that was announced has no funding. There are no plans for it go forward.

http://www.showbiz411.com...d-a-stroke

Jermaine Jackson Says Mother Did Have Stroke, Wages War to Get Michael’s Money

Jermaine Jackson is waging war against TMZ and other outlets who quoted his niece, Paris, last night. Jermaine, with whom Michael Jackson had little or no contact for the last couple of years of his life, is claiming that his mother,Katherine, did in fact have a stroke. He Tweeted: “As Paris tonight clarified, she earlier rushed to end Twitter talk that Mother is ill TODAY, but Paris didn’t expose any “lie” as TMZclaim…The truth is that Mother DID suffer a mini-stroke some months ago.

She is fine now, but the timeline doesn’t alter the fact it happened.” Jermaine adds: “This is a serious matter that has been weighed carefully, including taking into account Michael’s thoughts and feelings when he was alive…”

None of this is going to fly. Michael Jackson was estranged from his siblings most of the time. He left them out of his Will, purposely. For years Jermaine, his children, and ex wife lived with Katherine Jackson at her Hayvenhurst Avenue estate in Encino. But all that has changed.

Katherine and Michael’s three children have moved to a house in a gated community in Calabasas. The Hayvenhurst house was renovated and is up for sale. Everyone not supposed to be living there has been given the boot. That hasn’t made anyone happy.

All of this squawking about Michael’s Will, and the siblings trying to get money is kind of ridiculous. The Will is not going to be overturned. The Jackson siblings don’t seem to get the reality of their situation three years after Michael’s death.

http://www.showbiz411.com...aels-money

Emancipation89 said:

Azz said:

1) During the trial it was noted that Michael was somewhat frail - he was unable to go to the toilet, and had severe fungi on his feet.

2) I was suggesting that she hardly had a normal childhood. They didn't have a mother. And there farther was the most famous man on earth, and extremely busy, and evidently strugling in his later life (with SEVERE money problems, addiction etc)

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Jesus christ, it's one thing to say MJ had insomnia problems and he was overly dependent on drugs, but where did you gather that bolded part? Because, here's a little newsflash: NO ONE can wake up and walk to bathroom when they are under general anesthesia, so you have to wear either diapers or attach a condom catheter to collect urine in a bottle because, well, you're un-fucking-conscious. That is completely different matter than someone who is not capable of going to bathroom.

And had severe fungi on his feet...seriously, even if that is factual information, this is 2012 people, fungi on your feet is not that big of a problem. Surprise: You can have diabetes, fungi, or even skin dermatitis, but you can still be a good parent.

You know where this person got the bolded part? It was from that lying mutherfucker, Conrad Murray. This murdering son-of-a-bitch said this crap on that documentary that helped Judge Pastor give him the maximum sentence he could. This MF'er was saying all kind of shit about Michael because Michael is no longer here to defend himself. Of course, Michael would HAVE to have on a condom catheter to collect urine. Of course, when you are asleep UNDER angestheisa, you may have to have on a "diaper" or some other thing so that the bed wouldn't get wet. It's a damn shame that some people are so stupid and gullible that they can't figure anything out for themsellves.

I would be willing to bet money that Michael was a better father than 99% of the fathers out there and on this org. EVERYONE who was around him said that he ALWAYS put his children first before anything. Btw, all of this shit about him being addicted is just that-SHIT! I guess people just don't pay attention when it comes to Michael. Some idiots want to believe anything without using common sense or even doing research. For the millionth time; There were NO drugs found in Michael's body/system EXCEPT what the MURDERER, Conrad Murray injected into him. The weak-ass defense tried to claim that Michael was addicted to Demerol at the time of his death. He had NO demerol in his system. They claimed that he had medication bottles all over his room. It was brought out in court records that MOST of these bottles had ONLY 2-3 tablets misssiong and some of the bottles had dates from 3-4 months previous. Which means that he was NOT popping pills and getting high The only medicine that was being given to him was by the MURDERER, which he claimed was to help Michael sleep.WTF is it so hard for people to find out the FACTS when it comes to Michael. The facts are out there, all you have to do is to look for them and stop being lazy.

Free2BMe said:

Emancipation89 said:

Jesus christ, it's one thing to say MJ had insomnia problems and he was overly dependent on drugs, but where did you gather that bolded part? Because, here's a little newsflash: NO ONE can wake up and walk to bathroom when they are under general anesthesia, so you have to wear either diapers or attach a condom catheter to collect urine in a bottle because, well, you're un-fucking-conscious. That is completely different matter than someone who is not capable of going to bathroom.

And had severe fungi on his feet...seriously, even if that is factual information, this is 2012 people, fungi on your feet is not that big of a problem. Surprise: You can have diabetes, fungi, or even skin dermatitis, but you can still be a good parent.

You know where this person got the bolded part? It was from that lying mutherfucker, Conrad Murray. This murdering son-of-a-bitch said this crap on that documentary that helped Judge Pastor give him the maximum sentence he could.

Azz said:

dag said:

I've just checked her twitter and haven't seen anything like that.

I'm sure you won't be able to find the stuff she said about Randy aswell.

God. Am I talking to 5 year olds? Or is it just your level of delusion.

NaughtyKitty said:

Paris Jackson is Right: Michael Jackson’s Mother Hasn’t Had a Stroke

Paris Jackson, 14, is right in her Tweets (see the accompanying item next). Sources tell me her grandmother, Katherine Jackson, has not had any kind of stroke. But a war is raging within the Jackson family concerning the wrongful death lawsuit against AEG Live. Depositions are being taken now, and the AEG lawyers are apparently being very aggressive with the family.

“Mrs. Jackson would probably like to call the whole thing off,” says my source. “But the kids are desperate. They see it slipping away from them.” Janet Jackson, I’m told, was pressured into signing a very vitriolic letter sent to Michael’s executors. “The whole thing is really Jermaine and Randy,” says my source.

What’s happened now is that the letter (see the previous item) has caused a rift between the siblings who signed it–Randy, Jermaine, Rebbie, Janet and Tito–and the people who live in Katherine Jackson’s home–Michael’s kids. Paris Jackson Tweeted that her uncle Randy was a “liar” according to reports. Randy responded on his Twitter feed: “The letter is authentic.” And: “We ask that everyone respects that this is a serious matter that will be handled by the proper authorities.”

But Randy and Jermaine — whose children are cousins and half-siblings to each other–may have made a very risky mistake here. In the process of trying to overturn Michael’s will, or get part of a settlement from AEG Live, they’ve alienated Michael’s children if they’ve lied about their mother’s health. There will be no going back from that.

The lawsuit against AEGLive contends that the company shouldn’t have hired Dr. Conrad Murray, and that they’re somehow responsible for his negligence. In fact, it was Michael who insisted that AEGLive hire Murray, who didn’t work long enough even to get paid.

Meanwhile, Janet Jackson reportedly told Prevention magazine that she’s lectured Paris about being part of a planned animated movie. Janet needn’t worry. So far, the movie that was announced has no funding. There are no plans for it go forward.

http://www.showbiz411.com...d-a-stroke

Jermaine Jackson Says Mother Did Have Stroke, Wages War to Get Michael’s Money

Jermaine Jackson is waging war against TMZ and other outlets who quoted his niece, Paris, last night. Jermaine, with whom Michael Jackson had little or no contact for the last couple of years of his life, is claiming that his mother,Katherine, did in fact have a stroke. He Tweeted: “As Paris tonight clarified, she earlier rushed to end Twitter talk that Mother is ill TODAY, but Paris didn’t expose any “lie” as TMZclaim…The truth is that Mother DID suffer a mini-stroke some months ago.

She is fine now, but the timeline doesn’t alter the fact it happened.” Jermaine adds: “This is a serious matter that has been weighed carefully, including taking into account Michael’s thoughts and feelings when he was alive…”

None of this is going to fly. Michael Jackson was estranged from his siblings most of the time. He left them out of his Will, purposely. For years Jermaine, his children, and ex wife lived with Katherine Jackson at her Hayvenhurst Avenue estate in Encino. But all that has changed.

Katherine and Michael’s three children have moved to a house in a gated community in Calabasas. The Hayvenhurst house was renovated and is up for sale. Everyone not supposed to be living there has been given the boot. That hasn’t made anyone happy.

All of this squawking about Michael’s Will, and the siblings trying to get money is kind of ridiculous. The Will is not going to be overturned. The Jackson siblings don’t seem to get the reality of their situation three years after Michael’s death.

http://www.showbiz411.com...aels-money

So now that Michael has passed, who's going to take care of the brothers financially? Rebbie's married with her own family, LaToya hustles and will hawk anything from adult diapers to diet ice cream pellets if she's paid enough, and Janet as we all know is successful beyond measure. I thought it was interesting seeing Mrs. Jackson in her new Calabasas home- how light and airy it was, and her revealing that she felt so much better there than at Havenhurst. Of course it's just me speculating, but I imagine that in addition to old memories too painful to bear, the poor woman probably needed to get away from all those leeching ass kids of hers, laying up collecting rust on their butts from lying around her house for the last 20 years. Outside of Jermaine flying to Europe every 5 minutes to exploit his brothers memory (singing his songs, acting as his spokesperson, accepting randomly made-up awards on his behalf) what the hell does everyone else (and their 456 children between them) do to support themselves now that the big cheese of the family is deceased (God bless the dead)?

Poor AZZ!! This person seems delusional and really out there. Poor thing is consumed with mis-information,gossip and innuendo. I feel sorry for a person who is too LAZY to research FACTS. Everything that he/she is posting is pretty much based on what the murderer, Conrad Murray said in a mockumentary. EVERYONE who has ever been around Michael always talks about how good he smelled. Even the murderer, Murray, said in his depostion that the first thing Michael would do was to come in and take a shower. AZZ, see how this conflicts with your assertion that Michael had body odor. You got your info from Murray lying in that mockumentary. The murderer said anything negative that he could about Michael in that mockumentary and it backfired on him. I guess Murray knew that there would be gullible people who would believe his BS. However, it seems that the people that really mattered didn't believe his bullcrap.

Azz you need to try to get in touch with reality and start researching what you post. Stop being a bucket of misinformation. It doesn't seem as if you put any thought into anything that you post. You just throw out your innuendo and hope that it sticks. Poor thing. You are truly sad.

4+ pages of a thread that has NOTHING to do with music.

Free2BMe said:

Poor AZZ!! This person seems delusional and really out there. Poor thing is consumed with mis-information,gossip and innuendo. I feel sorry for a person who is too LAZY to research FACTS. Everything that he/she is posting is pretty much based on what the murderer, Conrad Murray said in a mockumentary. EVERYONE who has ever been around Michael always talks about how good he smelled. Even the murderer, Murray, said in his depostion that the first thing Michael would do was to come in and take a shower. AZZ, see how this conflicts with your assertion that Michael had body odor. You got your info from Murray lying in that mockumentary. The murderer said anything negative that he could about Michael in that mockumentary and it backfired on him. I guess Murray knew that there would be gullible people who would believe his BS. However, it seems that the people that really mattered didn't believe his bullcrap.

Azz you need to try to get in touch with reality and start researching what you post. Stop being a bucket of misinformation. It doesn't seem as if you put any thought into anything that you post. You just throw out your innuendo and hope that it sticks. Poor thing. You are truly sad.

None of this is reality. And it is for this reason, why it is you who is sad. And not me.

Ottensen said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Paris Jackson is Right: Michael Jackson’s Mother Hasn’t Had a Stroke

Paris Jackson, 14, is right in her Tweets (see the accompanying item next). Sources tell me her grandmother, Katherine Jackson, has not had any kind of stroke. But a war is raging within the Jackson family concerning the wrongful death lawsuit against AEG Live. Depositions are being taken now, and the AEG lawyers are apparently being very aggressive with the family.

“Mrs. Jackson would probably like to call the whole thing off,” says my source. “But the kids are desperate. They see it slipping away from them.” Janet Jackson, I’m told, was pressured into signing a very vitriolic letter sent to Michael’s executors. “The whole thing is really Jermaine and Randy,” says my source.

What’s happened now is that the letter (see the previous item) has caused a rift between the siblings who signed it–Randy, Jermaine, Rebbie, Janet and Tito–and the people who live in Katherine Jackson’s home–Michael’s kids. Paris Jackson Tweeted that her uncle Randy was a “liar” according to reports. Randy responded on his Twitter feed: “The letter is authentic.” And: “We ask that everyone respects that this is a serious matter that will be handled by the proper authorities.”

But Randy and Jermaine — whose children are cousins and half-siblings to each other–may have made a very risky mistake here. In the process of trying to overturn Michael’s will, or get part of a settlement from AEG Live, they’ve alienated Michael’s children if they’ve lied about their mother’s health. There will be no going back from that.

The lawsuit against AEGLive contends that the company shouldn’t have hired Dr. Conrad Murray, and that they’re somehow responsible for his negligence. In fact, it was Michael who insisted that AEGLive hire Murray, who didn’t work long enough even to get paid.

Meanwhile, Janet Jackson reportedly told Prevention magazine that she’s lectured Paris about being part of a planned animated movie. Janet needn’t worry. So far, the movie that was announced has no funding. There are no plans for it go forward.

http://www.showbiz411.com...d-a-stroke

Jermaine Jackson Says Mother Did Have Stroke, Wages War to Get Michael’s Money

Jermaine Jackson is waging war against TMZ and other outlets who quoted his niece, Paris, last night. Jermaine, with whom Michael Jackson had little or no contact for the last couple of years of his life, is claiming that his mother,Katherine, did in fact have a stroke. He Tweeted: “As Paris tonight clarified, she earlier rushed to end Twitter talk that Mother is ill TODAY, but Paris didn’t expose any “lie” as TMZclaim…The truth is that Mother DID suffer a mini-stroke some months ago.

She is fine now, but the timeline doesn’t alter the fact it happened.” Jermaine adds: “This is a serious matter that has been weighed carefully, including taking into account Michael’s thoughts and feelings when he was alive…”

None of this is going to fly. Michael Jackson was estranged from his siblings most of the time. He left them out of his Will, purposely. For years Jermaine, his children, and ex wife lived with Katherine Jackson at her Hayvenhurst Avenue estate in Encino. But all that has changed.

Katherine and Michael’s three children have moved to a house in a gated community in Calabasas. The Hayvenhurst house was renovated and is up for sale. Everyone not supposed to be living there has been given the boot. That hasn’t made anyone happy.

All of this squawking about Michael’s Will, and the siblings trying to get money is kind of ridiculous. The Will is not going to be overturned. The Jackson siblings don’t seem to get the reality of their situation three years after Michael’s death.

http://www.showbiz411.com...aels-money

So now that Michael has passed, who's going to take care of the brothers financially? Rebbie's married with her own family, LaToya hustles and will hawk anything from adult diapers to diet ice cream pellets if she's paid enough, and Janet as we all know is successful beyond measure. I thought it was interesting seeing Mrs. Jackson in her new Calabasas home- how light and airy it was, and her revealing that she felt so much better there than at Havenhurst. Of course it's just me speculating, but I imagine that in addition to old memories too painful to bear, the poor woman probably needed to get away from all those leeching ass kids of hers, laying up collecting rust on their butts from lying around her house for the last 20 years. Outside of Jermaine flying to Europe every 5 minutes to exploit his brothers memory (singing his songs, acting as his spokesperson, accepting randomly made-up awards on his behalf) what the hell does everyone else (and their 456 children between them) do to support themselves now that the big cheese of the family is deceased (God bless the dead)?

It would be great if Janet would step up to the plate. It seems that no one expects her to help out her own family. It seems that even SHE doesn't expect to help out her own family. Could it be that she doesn't have as much money as people think? Is it because she and everyone else EXPECTED Michael to do everything? I wonder if this is why she was badgering, along with her brothers, Joe and Katherine, to do a tour with THEM? Is this why she signed the letter with the estate, so that the family won't be bothering her for money? It really infuriates me that NO ONE seems to think that Janet should help her family. All she has to do is to give her siblings and parents some of those millions that she has earned. It wouldn't put that much of a dent in her fortune, if she is as rich as some think. It is total selfishness to expect Michael to continue to support this family even in death.

Btw, I sure hope no fan comes back with this shit that Janet needs to distance herself from her familhy. Damn, that's what she has always done when it comes to finances. Sorry that shit don't fly and it's weak. It's time for her to step up to the plate and take care of her old, senile Dad, her mother, her siblings, her neices, nephews, etc. It's only fair. Michael did it. She IS a Jackson. Btw, it would also help if she would have the brothers on tour with her next time to help them out financially. She is not excused from helping her family out just because is Janet Jackson.

Oh, the hypocricy.

Maybe JJ doesnt want anything to do with that leecherous family. Id have walked away from that shit years ago, family or not.

Azz said:

Free2BMe said:

Poor AZZ!! This person seems delusional and really out there. Poor thing is consumed with mis-information,gossip and innuendo. I feel sorry for a person who is too LAZY to research FACTS. Everything that he/she is posting is pretty much based on what the murderer, Conrad Murray said in a mockumentary. EVERYONE who has ever been around Michael always talks about how good he smelled. Even the murderer, Murray, said in his depostion that the first thing Michael would do was to come in and take a shower. AZZ, see how this conflicts with your assertion that Michael had body odor. You got your info from Murray lying in that mockumentary. The murderer said anything negative that he could about Michael in that mockumentary and it backfired on him. I guess Murray knew that there would be gullible people who would believe his BS. However, it seems that the people that really mattered didn't believe his bullcrap.

Azz you need to try to get in touch with reality and start researching what you post. Stop being a bucket of misinformation. It doesn't seem as if you put any thought into anything that you post. You just throw out your innuendo and hope that it sticks. Poor thing. You are truly sad.

None of this is reality. And it is for this reason, why it is you who is sad. And not me.

No sweetie, it is you who are sad. You are too LAZY to RESEARCH what you post. Is it because it's Michael and you just don't care or do you do this with everything? If the answer is the latter, I truly do feel sorry for you and any one involved with you. Damn, is it THAT hard to try and look at different sources-like people have been around Michael, other than the lying bastard who murdered him? It also takes just a little bit of common sense.

Free2BMe said:

Azz said:

None of this is reality. And it is for this reason, why it is you who is sad. And not me.

No sweetie, it is you who are sad. You are too LAZY to RESEARCH what you post. Is it because it's Michael and you just don't care or do you do this with everything? If the answer is the latter, I truly do feel sorry for you and any one involved with you. Damn, is it THAT hard to try and look at different sources-like people have been around Michael, other than the lying bastard who murdered him? It also takes just a little bit of common sense.

Please. I don't need your pity you patronising idiot.

You are all hypocrites.

No source surounding Michael, nor Michael himself, has ever been reliable.

Who are these so called people who have been around him? His so called body guards, who every other day, are claiming that he is a drag queen, or that they are the farther of one of his children? His chef, who many of you would say, profiteered from his death. His friends? David Guest, who claims Michael forced him to get surgeory. His family? The one's you claim are are only oriented by money. His mother? The one who does Oprah interviews, who you say called MJ a pedophile.

The truth is; there is no one. Because all of you victimise him (& and therefore excuse him for everything he did and attack everyone around him) and praise him to the level of an angel. You think, because he is MJ, everyone should bow down at his feet. But the truth is, he is human, and he is also a grown damn man - who could stick up for himself.

[Edited 7/19/12 14:15pm]

[Edited 7/19/12 14:16pm]

Ottensen said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I'll agree with you about the slightly attention seeking. But ignorant and self-important, and one who will grow up and fall off the rails? You got all that just from her tweet? Really?

Honey, I don't even bother. I just sit back and enjoy the entertainment

Great advice, will do!

musicjunky318 said:

Fury said:

Jul 18, 3:15 PM Share BREAKING NEWS: Paris Jackson -- My Uncle Randy Is a BIG, FAT LIAR Michael Jackson's only daughter is going to war with one of her famous uncles ... claiming Randy Jackson is spreading dangerous lies about the family ... and she's calling him out in public. It's all over a letter that supposedly "leaked" to the Internet this week ... in which Randy, along with Jermaine, Janet, Tito and Rebbie demand John Branca and John McClain resign from their positions as the executors of the Michael Jackson Estate, effective immediately. In the sharply-pointed letter, the family claims Branca and McClain have "failed" in their duties ... taken advantage of the family ... and have stressed out Katherine Jackson so much, that she recently suffered a "mini-stroke."Randy went to Twitter and verified the authenticity of the letter Tuesday night ... but the very next day, Paris called BS on her uncle. In fact, the 14-year-old went to her own Twitter page ... and wrote, "i am going to clarify right now that what has been said about my grandmother is a rumor and nothing has happened , she is completely fine."She added, "i'd like to know who made up the rumor… i will defend my beloved family member with all i have , even if it means from other family members.”Minutes later, Paris sent a new message directed to Randy -- which said, "@randyjackson8 hello dear FAMILY member i don't appreciate you telling everyone things that aren't true thank you very much."When one of her followers suggested Paris should have respect for Randy ... she replied, "Maybe he should have respect for his mother."Paris has since deleted the tweets.

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Yes Paris clock the shit out of Steven Randall.

Azz said:

Free2BMe said:

No sweetie, it is you who are sad. You are too LAZY to RESEARCH what you post. Is it because it's Michael and you just don't care or do you do this with everything? If the answer is the latter, I truly do feel sorry for you and any one involved with you. Damn, is it THAT hard to try and look at different sources-like people have been around Michael, other than the lying bastard who murdered him? It also takes just a little bit of common sense.

Please. I don't need your pity you patronising idiot.

You are all hypocrites.

No source surounding Michael, nor Michael himself, has ever been reliable.

Who are these so called people who have been around him? His so called body guards, who every other day, are claiming that he is a drag queen, or that they are the farther of one of his children? His chef, who many of you would say, profiteered from his death. His friends? David Guest, who claims Michael forced him to get surgeory. His family? The one's you claim are are only oriented by money. His mother? The one who does Oprah interviews, who you say called MJ a pedophile.

The truth is; there is no one. Because all of you victimise him (& and therefore excuse him for everything he did) and praise him to the level of an angel. But the truth is, he is human, and he is also a grown damn man - who could stick up for himself.

[Edited 7/19/12 14:07pm]

What point are you trying to prove?

Your source from where you got ALL that info is not a good source.

You honestly believe Conrad when it was proven he LIED multiple of times?

Of COURSE Conrad is going to place Michael in a bad light if he is being a accused of being negligent. That was the whole purpose of the interview. Nobody is making Michael out to be perfect but why must you justify the truth just to make Michael less credible?

The truth is Murray lied in that interview because he was being accussed of being negligent and HE believed he did nothing wrong thats why he made all those claims BUT during the trial, it was proven that he lied about the number of phone calls he made, it was proven that he tried to blackmail Michael by video taping him under medication, it was proven that he lied to the police about the amount of medication that was in his body ..see autospy report, it was proven that he waited to call 911.. 20 minutes to be exact after finding Michael not breathing.

NOBODY anywhere here said Michael was perfect or Michael never made bad choices. Please point out the posters who suggested this?

Azz said:

Free2BMe said:

No sweetie, it is you who are sad. You are too LAZY to RESEARCH what you post. Is it because it's Michael and you just don't care or do you do this with everything? If the answer is the latter, I truly do feel sorry for you and any one involved with you. Damn, is it THAT hard to try and look at different sources-like people have been around Michael, other than the lying bastard who murdered him? It also takes just a little bit of common sense.

Please. I don't need your pity you patronising idiot.

You are all hypocrites.

No source surounding Michael, nor Michael himself, has ever been reliable.

Who are these so called people who have been around him? His so called body guards, who every other day, are claiming that he is a drag queen, or that they are the farther of one of his children? His chef, who many of you would say, profiteered from his death. His friends? David Guest, who claims Michael forced him to get surgeory. His family? The one's you claim are are only oriented by money. His mother? The one who does Oprah interviews, who you say called MJ a pedophile.

The truth is; there is no one. Because all of you victimise him (& and therefore excuse him for everything he did) and praise him to the level of an angel. But the truth is, he is human, and he is also a grown damn man - who could stick up for himself.

[Edited 7/19/12 14:07pm]

So, you are saying that you take the word of a lying sociopathic murderer, like Conrad Murray as YOUR reliable source? The people around Michael were not just his bodyguards. There were fellow musicians, singers, friends, journalists, photograpers, fans who have been around him and mention how good he smells. You can bet your ass IF he had some body odor , they would have been talking about it. Even that bitch, Diane Dimond was saying how good he smelled. Shows you just how sick that bitch is to get that close to him in the courtroom. Btw, no one victimises Michael except people like you who are too lazy to think for YOURSELF. Every MJ fan KNOWS that he is/was human. We knew that he had faults and we recognized those faults. We also knew when something in the media was bullshit. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to smell bullshit. Yes, Michael was a grown man who did defend himself. He just didn't defend himselft against all of the shit, innuendo and gossip that was thrown at him. He defended himself ALWAYS when it really mattered. That took a strong person. As far as you whining about fans defending him, do you actually think that someone is not going to challenge people like you who spew crap and have the audacity to think that your shit is going to go unchallenged? Get used to it, you will be challenged. Again, stop being so damn lazy and think for yourself. Research, go to more than tabloid sources.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Please. I don't need your pity you patronising idiot.

You are all hypocrites.

No source surounding Michael, nor Michael himself, has ever been reliable.

Who are these so called people who have been around him? His so called body guards, who every other day, are claiming that he is a drag queen, or that they are the farther of one of his children? His chef, who many of you would say, profiteered from his death. His friends? David Guest, who claims Michael forced him to get surgeory. His family? The one's you claim are are only oriented by money. His mother? The one who does Oprah interviews, who you say called MJ a pedophile.

The truth is; there is no one. Because all of you victimise him (& and therefore excuse him for everything he did) and praise him to the level of an angel. But the truth is, he is human, and he is also a grown damn man - who could stick up for himself.

[Edited 7/19/12 14:07pm]

What point are you trying to prove?

Your source from where you got ALL that info is not a good source.

You honestly believe Conrad when it was proven he LIED multiple of times?

Of COURSE Conrad is going to place Michael in a bad light if he is being a accused of being negligent. That was the whole purpose of the interview. Nobody is making Michael out to be perfect but why must you justify the truth just to make Michael less credible?

The truth is Murray lied in that interview because he was being accussed of being negligent and HE believed he did nothing wrong thats why he made all those claims BUT during the trial, it was proven that he lied about the number of phone calls he made, it was proven that he tried to blackmail Michael by video taping him under medication, it was proven that he lied to the police about the amount of medication that was in his body ..see autospy report, it was proven that he waited to call 911.. 20 minutes to be exact after finding Michael not breathing.

NOBODY anywhere here said Michael was perfect or Michael never made bad choices. Please point out the posters who suggested this?

My point is, there isn't one person who you guys think is in any way, the slightest bit loyal to Michael, because you all victimise him..

I'm not trying to prove Conrad Murray is as good a source as any. I haven't even got my info from him. The fact that Michael was unhygienic is something I've heard several times.

Yes I may have heard it from the news, but where would I possibly get any info about Michael that is somewhat truthul. The answer is nowhere. So people can criticize me for being lazy. But there is no credible MJ source. Because everyone is evil, and Michael is perfect. And everyone used Michael. And by everyone, I mean everyone. MJ fans think everyone around Michael throughout his life have somehow done some wrong to him, and they always victimise MJ, without even knowing any facts, (because where do they get their facts from? Every source is subject to disregard by MJ fans because they all have some misguided coneaved concept in which the source somehow hurt Michael in someway) and comdemn the other party.

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Free2BMe said:

Azz said:

Please. I don't need your pity you patronising idiot.

You are all hypocrites.

No source surounding Michael, nor Michael himself, has ever been reliable.

Who are these so called people who have been around him? His so called body guards, who every other day, are claiming that he is a drag queen, or that they are the farther of one of his children? His chef, who many of you would say, profiteered from his death. His friends? David Guest, who claims Michael forced him to get surgeory. His family? The one's you claim are are only oriented by money. His mother? The one who does Oprah interviews, who you say called MJ a pedophile.

The truth is; there is no one. Because all of you victimise him (& and therefore excuse him for everything he did) and praise him to the level of an angel. But the truth is, he is human, and he is also a grown damn man - who could stick up for himself.

[Edited 7/19/12 14:07pm]

So, you are saying that you take the word of a lying sociopathic murderer, like Conrad Murray as YOUR reliable source? The people around Michael were not just his bodyguards. There were fellow musicians, singers, friends, journalists, photograpers, fans who have been around him and mention how good he smells. You can bet your ass IF he had some body odor , they would have been talking about it. Even that bitch, Diane Dimond was saying how good he smelled. Shows you just how sick that bitch is to get that close to him in the courtroom. Btw, no one victimises Michael except people like you who are too lazy to think for YOURSELF. Every MJ fan KNOWS that he is/was human. We knew that he had faults and we recognized those faults. We also knew when something in the media was bullshit. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to smell bullshit. Yes, Michael was a grown man who did defend himself. He just didn't defend himselft against all of the shit, innuendo and gossip that was thrown at him. He defended himself ALWAYS when it really mattered. That took a strong person. As far as you whining about fans defending him, do you actually think that someone is not going to challenge people like you who spew crap and have the audacity to think that your shit is going to go unchallenged? Get used to it, you will be challenged. Again, stop being so damn lazy and think for yourself. Research, go to more than tabloid sources.

Your hung up on this MJ-bad oder- thing (can you not see how sad you are. You are crying because someone said Mj smelt bad. ). Get over it. Your comparing how he might have smelled in his prime, during interviews, and in the studio, to months before he died, begging for propofol.

Research? Reasearch where. Where could I do research. Do I have to explain my whole point again. There is no source to do research at, don't you get it???

[Edited 7/19/12 14:34pm]

Free2BMe said:

Ottensen said:

So now that Michael has passed, who's going to take care of the brothers financially? Rebbie's married with her own family, LaToya hustles and will hawk anything from adult diapers to diet ice cream pellets if she's paid enough, and Janet as we all know is successful beyond measure. I thought it was interesting seeing Mrs. Jackson in her new Calabasas home- how light and airy it was, and her revealing that she felt so much better there than at Havenhurst. Of course it's just me speculating, but I imagine that in addition to old memories too painful to bear, the poor woman probably needed to get away from all those leeching ass kids of hers, laying up collecting rust on their butts from lying around her house for the last 20 years. Outside of Jermaine flying to Europe every 5 minutes to exploit his brothers memory (singing his songs, acting as his spokesperson, accepting randomly made-up awards on his behalf) what the hell does everyone else (and their 456 children between them) do to support themselves now that the big cheese of the family is deceased (God bless the dead)?

It would be great if Janet would step up to the plate. It seems that no one expects her to help out her own family. It seems that even SHE doesn't expect to help out her own family. Could it be that she doesn't have as much money as people think? Is it because she and everyone else EXPECTED Michael to do everything? I wonder if this is why she was badgering, along with her brothers, Joe and Katherine, to do a tour with THEM? Is this why she signed the letter with the estate, so that the family won't be bothering her for money? It really infuriates me that NO ONE seems to think that Janet should help her family. All she has to do is to give her siblings and parents some of those millions that she has earned. It wouldn't put that much of a dent in her fortune, if she is as rich as some think. It is total selfishness to expect Michael to continue to support this family even in death.

Btw, I sure hope no fan comes back with this shit that Janet needs to distance herself from her familhy. Damn, that's what she has always done when it comes to finances. Sorry that shit don't fly and it's weak. It's time for her to step up to the plate and take care of her old, senile Dad, her mother, her siblings, her neices, nephews, etc. It's only fair. Michael did it. She IS a Jackson. Btw, it would also help if she would have the brothers on tour with her next time to help them out financially. She is not excused from helping her family out just because is Janet Jackson.

While I would certainly hope any child would financially care for their elderly parents, I actually could give two pumps and a stroke whether she financially assists her brothers or not, that's her choice, just as it was Michael's.

Personally, I believe grown ass men should work and take financial responsibility for the children they bring into this world, period. I would expect the same from Leroy up the street and John Doe around the corner. Makes me no nevermind not in the least whether the men are Jacksons or not. Get your trifling 50+ year old ass up and get your business hustle on.

Like I mentioned before, LaToya will hawk vaccum cleaner bags if you cut the check with the right amount of zeroes on it. Through the years she's done some corny ass endorsements for random foreign products, but it made her a millionaire (though she clearly has never been as well off as her baby brother and sister). Still, she's got her Vegas home & stays in British luxury vehicles without needing support from anyone. She might be a little on the "extra" side , but she's not afraid to sing for her supper, even if it's plugging Mongolian fish egg armpit cream. The hell is wrong with those grown men laying down having babies & living in their momma's house? In the non-celebrity world this is what is normally referred to as a scrub.

NaughtyKitty said:

Ottensen said:

Honey, I don't even bother. I just sit back and enjoy the entertainment

Great advice, will do!

It gets almost as epic in here on these Jackson threads as it does in P&R!

paisleypark4 said:

musicjunky318 said:

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Yes Paris clock the shit out of Steven Randall.

YAAAS go IN on yo uncle gir!!!!!

In no way do I want to say that I condone a teenager being disrspectful to her elders

but

Azz said:

Free2BMe said:

So, you are saying that you take the word of a lying sociopathic murderer, like Conrad Murray as YOUR reliable source? The people around Michael were not just his bodyguards. There were fellow musicians, singers, friends, journalists, photograpers, fans who have been around him and mention how good he smells. You can bet your ass IF he had some body odor , they would have been talking about it. Even that bitch, Diane Dimond was saying how good he smelled. Shows you just how sick that bitch is to get that close to him in the courtroom. Btw, no one victimises Michael except people like you who are too lazy to think for YOURSELF. Every MJ fan KNOWS that he is/was human. We knew that he had faults and we recognized those faults. We also knew when something in the media was bullshit. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to smell bullshit. Yes, Michael was a grown man who did defend himself. He just didn't defend himselft against all of the shit, innuendo and gossip that was thrown at him. He defended himself ALWAYS when it really mattered. That took a strong person. As far as you whining about fans defending him, do you actually think that someone is not going to challenge people like you who spew crap and have the audacity to think that your shit is going to go unchallenged? Get used to it, you will be challenged. Again, stop being so damn lazy and think for yourself. Research, go to more than tabloid sources.

Your hung up on this MJ-bad oder- thing (can you not see how sad you are. You are crying because someone said Mj smelt bad. ). Get over it. Your comparing how he might have smelled in his prime, during interviews, and in the studio, to months before he died, begging for propofol.

Research? Reasearch where. Where could I do research. Do I have to explain my whole point again. There is no source to do research at, don't you get it???

[Edited 7/19/12 14:34pm]

No, I'm not hung up on the "odor" thing. I'm just pointing out that you are going by the words of the murderer, Conrad Murray. Basically everything you are spewing came from Murray's mockumentary. Again, you are sad. Btw, yes there are sources for research. Court Documents, court transcrpts, etc. You don't seem capable or are too lazy to research anything you say. You just want to throw it out and see what sticks. Of course, you don't care if what you say is true or not.

[Edited 7/19/12 15:34pm]

Free2BMe said:

Azz said:

Your hung up on this MJ-bad oder- thing (can you not see how sad you are. You are crying because someone said Mj smelt bad. ). Get over it. Your comparing how he might have smelled in his prime, during interviews, and in the studio, to months before he died, begging for propofol.

Research? Reasearch where. Where could I do research. Do I have to explain my whole point again. There is no source to do research at, don't you get it???

[Edited 7/19/12 14:34pm]

No, I'm hung up on the "odor" thing. I'm just pointing out that you are going by the words of the murderer, Conrad Murray. Basically everything you are spewing came from Murray's mockumentary. Again, you are sad. Btw, yes there are sources for research. Court Documents, court transcrpts, etc. You don't seem capable or are too lazy to research anything you say. You just want to throw it out and see what sticks. Of course, you don't care if what you say is true or not.

Yes, I like to spend my time searching through court documents. Also, just out of curiosity; From what information is a court document conceived?

You know when you're losing an argument, when your first point of your case, is it to correct the other person's grammar

[Edited 7/19/12 15:39pm]

Azz said:

Free2BMe said:

No, I'm hung up on the "odor" thing. I'm just pointing out that you are going by the words of the murderer, Conrad Murray. Basically everything you are spewing came from Murray's mockumentary. Again, you are sad. Btw, yes there are sources for research. Court Documents, court transcrpts, etc. You don't seem capable or are too lazy to research anything you say. You just want to throw it out and see what sticks. Of course, you don't care if what you say is true or not.

Yes, I like to spend my time searching through court documents. Also, just out of curiosity; From what information is a court document conceived?

You know when you're losing an argument, when your first point of your case, is it to correct the other person's grammar

[Edited 7/19/12 15:39pm]

That's alright, sweetie. You can't help that you are a tabloid bucket. If FACTS hit you square in the face, you wouldn't even recognize them. Continue on your way. Keep tiptoeing through the tulips. lol!!

mjscarousal said: