Musicslave said:

GoldDolphin said:

He mentions Jay-z as better than Nas? Can't even take this guy seriously. Nas waters down his lyrics? Really ,wow... This guy knows nothing about Nas.

I won't even bother watching this guy's review. I figured he'll do what most professional and amatuer critics tend to do, which is (compare NaS to Jay-Z). It really is a disservice to both emcees. To me, it's about as tired as the old Michael vs. Prince comparison

THANK YOU! 2001-2002 is over. The same folks that dogged Nas prior to "Ether" are the same ones who are either on his nutsack praising him now or just continuing to dog him. Jay Z is more inconsistent, but gets heavily overrated by many. There is no comparison. Just a bunch amatuer rock critics thinking that they understand the paradigms of hip-hop, when they don't.

silverchild said:

Musicslave said:

I won't even bother watching this guy's review. I figured he'll do what most professional and amatuer critics tend to do, which is (compare NaS to Jay-Z). It really is a disservice to both emcees. To me, it's about as tired as the old Michael vs. Prince comparison

THANK YOU! 2001-2002 is over. The same folks that dogged Nas prior to "Ether" are the same ones who are either on his nutsack praising him now or just continuing to dog him. Jay Z is more inconsistent, but gets heavily overrated by many. There is no comparison. Just a bunch amatuer rock critics thinking that they understand the paradigms of hip-hop, when they don't.

Jay Z gets compared to Nas because folks know that Nas is lyrically superior to Jay Z. They feel since Jay is more popular its always a easy win because Nas is underground where real hip hop lives. TRUST, Nas a REAL MC thats it.. not no sales man, not no actor, not no perfume, clothing designer JUST A MC that lives and breathes HIP HOP

Jay Z cant touched Nas no where in life on the MIC..... period and the haters out there know that.

mjscarousal said:

silverchild said:

THANK YOU! 2001-2002 is over. The same folks that dogged Nas prior to "Ether" are the same ones who are either on his nutsack praising him now or just continuing to dog him. Jay Z is more inconsistent, but gets heavily overrated by many. There is no comparison. Just a bunch amatuer rock critics thinking that they understand the paradigms of hip-hop, when they don't.

Jay Z gets compared to Nas because folks know that Nas is lyrically superior to Jay Z. They feel since Jay is more popular its always a easy win because Nas is underground where real hip hop lives. TRUST, Nas a REAL MC thats it.. not no sales man, not no actor, not no perfume, clothing designer JUST A MC that lives and breathes HIP HOP

Jay Z cant touched Nas no where in life on the MIC..... period and the haters out there know that.

Exactly. No matter how much controversy has surrounded Nas over the years, he bounces back with bangers. No gimmicks. Life Is Good is no exception.

silverchild said:

mjscarousal said:

Most definitly! Well Said! Im so tired of all this Jay Z bullshit. Recently I got into a convo about rap with some peeps my age and they had the nerve to say Jay Z and Eminem better than NAS Thats why I hate getting into convos with people my age because they dont know what the hell their talking about in relation to music.

Its really REALLY sad that Nas will never get his credit as a MC.

Jay Z is not bi polar his not a real MC and he made that perfectly clear over a decade ago. His always been a mainstream rapper nothing more or less and thats fine. I just hate how his so overrated and how he thinks his the best rapper alive. WTF Just because white people know who you are doesnt mean your the best rapper alive But I pretty much agree with everything you said

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Jay is definitely overrated. No question about that. But I'll give him some props for The Blueprint, Reasonable Doubt, The Black Album, and American Gangster. I like Jay's flow, but he has alot of corny lines that are just....

The only descent thing TO ME Jay Z has every done was Reasonable Doubt and even that is overrated. Black Album had hot beats but thats it.. American Gangsta blah... Blue Print overrrated... NAS IS WHERE ITS AT BRUH

Silverchild if my post come off heated its because I DONT LIKE JAY Z.... nothing against you man, I luv you .. I just get emotional with this stuff

mjscarousal said:

silverchild said:

Jay is definitely overrated. No question about that. But I'll give him some props for The Blueprint, Reasonable Doubt, The Black Album, and American Gangster. I like Jay's flow, but he has alot of corny lines that are just....

The only descent thing TO ME Jay Z has every done was Reasonable Doubt and even that is overrated. Black Album had hot beats but thats it.. American Gangsta blah... Blue Print overrrated... NAS IS WHERE ITS AT BRUH

Silverchild if my post come off heated its because I DONT LIKE JAY Z.... nothing against you man, I luv you .. I just get emotional with this stuff

Oh I understand. Jay is heavily overrated. He certainly doesn't go in the top 10 or 20 of hip-hop mavericks.

silverchild said:

mjscarousal said:

The only descent thing TO ME Jay Z has every done was Reasonable Doubt and even that is overrated. Black Album had hot beats but thats it.. American Gangsta blah... Blue Print overrrated... NAS IS WHERE ITS AT BRUH

Silverchild if my post come off heated its because I DONT LIKE JAY Z.... nothing against you man, I luv you .. I just get emotional with this stuff

Oh I understand. Jay is heavily overrated. He certainly doesn't go in the top 10 or 20 of hip-hop mavericks.

I wouldnt go that far, Jay deserves his place in the hiphop world, he's a mainstream rapper yet his lyrics are far deeper than most mainstream rappers will rap about and I always compare him to Eminem because they're pretty on the same league - great rappers but not the best. Resonable Doubt & The Blueprint are classic albums and they deserve the praise they get, I can say that being the biggest Nas stan arouind lol.

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silverchild said:

Musicslave said:

I won't even bother watching this guy's review. I figured he'll do what most professional and amatuer critics tend to do, which is (compare NaS to Jay-Z). It really is a disservice to both emcees. To me, it's about as tired as the old Michael vs. Prince comparison

THANK YOU! 2001-2002 is over. The same folks that dogged Nas prior to "Ether" are the same ones who are either on his nutsack praising him now or just continuing to dog him. Jay Z is more inconsistent, but gets heavily overrated by many. There is no comparison. Just a bunch amatuer rock critics thinking that they understand the paradigms of hip-hop, when they don't.

Yes very true. Also you can be a Nas & Jay-Z fan (just like people can be Prince & MJ fans). I'm a Nas stan, but I still own all Jay-z albums, been to his concerts and love him for his contribution to the game, but he's nowhere close to Nas on a lyrical level. To me Nas is like a prophet - a true street poet that the masses won't ever understand because it's so deep, while Jay is a good story teller that makes people listen because he got good hooks and good lyrics. The whole Jay vs Nas thing was stupid anyways, but Nas killed it and with this album he's once and for all proved who's the king of New York.

GoldDolphin said:

silverchild said:

THANK YOU! 2001-2002 is over. The same folks that dogged Nas prior to "Ether" are the same ones who are either on his nutsack praising him now or just continuing to dog him. Jay Z is more inconsistent, but gets heavily overrated by many. There is no comparison. Just a bunch amatuer rock critics thinking that they understand the paradigms of hip-hop, when they don't.

Yes very true. Also you can be a Nas & Jay-Z fan (just like people can be Prince & MJ fans). I'm a Nas stan, but I still own all Jay-z albums, been to his concerts and love him for his contribution to the game, but he's nowhere close to Nas on a lyrical level. To me Nas is like a prophet - a true street poet that the masses won't ever understand because it's so deep, while Jay is a good story teller that makes people listen because he got good hooks and good lyrics. The whole Jay vs Nas thing was stupid anyways, but Nas killed it and with this album he's once and for all proved who's the king of New York.

Along with those accessible hooks, Jay has always benefited from nice production. His beat selection was for the most part always good. That, I feel gave him a greater advantage over his 90's peers. As far as lyrical content goes, he said himself that he wished he could do what Nasir, Black Thought, your more conscious rappers do and still sell the way he did. He always was a businessman first in his mind. So him becoming a conglomerate was the goal. Nas just wanted to be one of the nicest on the mic (as far as I see it).

GoldDolphin said:

silverchild said:

Oh I understand. Jay is heavily overrated. He certainly doesn't go in the top 10 or 20 of hip-hop mavericks.

I wouldnt go that far, Jay deserves his place in the hiphop world, he's a mainstream rapper yet his lyrics are far deeper than most mainstream rappers will rap about and I always compare him to Eminem because they're pretty on the same league - great rappers but not the best. Resonable Doubt & The Blueprint are classic albums and they deserve the praise they get, I can say that being the biggest Nas stan arouind lol.

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I disagree with that respectfully.

Jay Z is just a popular rapper nothing more or less. He hasnt done anything deserving of nearly of the praise that he gets. Any real Nas fan know Blueprint and Reasonable doubt are overrated. Reasonable is Jay Zs best C.D. but its not one of the best HIP HOP cds ever made... NO.

Jay Z is very very very overrated. I admit to liking some Jay Z tracks but NO Jay Z is not a real MC ... NO Jay Z has done NOTHING FOR HIP HOP. Like Musicslave said, Jay Z has always been about business and about finding ways to make money. Im not knocking that or his hustle. But I be damn if I sit here and say his so deep or his lyrics are better than his peers. Even Lupe Fiasco got better lyrics. Jay Z is not deep at all and he steals for people. He stole death to autotune from Krs One. He doesnt give a shit about hip hop, he just cares about money and accolades. I will never give Jay Z props for HIP HOP because he doesnt deserve it.

The only good thing Jay Z got going for him is his HOT BEATS but thats it....

mjscarousal said:

GoldDolphin said:

I wouldnt go that far, Jay deserves his place in the hiphop world, he's a mainstream rapper yet his lyrics are far deeper than most mainstream rappers will rap about and I always compare him to Eminem because they're pretty on the same league - great rappers but not the best. Resonable Doubt & The Blueprint are classic albums and they deserve the praise they get, I can say that being the biggest Nas stan arouind lol.

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I disagree with that respectfully.

Jay Z is just a popular rapper nothing more or less. He hasnt done anything deserving of nearly of the praise that he gets. Any real Nas fan know Blueprint and Reasonable doubt are overrated. Reasonable is Jay Zs best C.D. but its not one of the best HIP HOP cds ever made... NO.

Jay Z is very very very overrated. I admit to liking some Jay Z tracks but NO Jay Z is not a real MC ... NO Jay Z has done NOTHING FOR HIP HOP. Like Musicslave said, Jay Z has always been about business and about finding ways to make money. Im not knocking that or his hustle. But I be damn if I sit here and say his so deep or his lyrics are better than his peers. Even Lupe Fiasco got better lyrics. Jay Z is not deep at all and he steals for people. He stole death to autotune from Krs One. He doesnt give a shit about hip hop, he just cares about money and accolades. I will never give Jay Z props for HIP HOP because he doesnt deserve it.

The only good thing Jay Z got going for him is his HOT BEATS but thats it....

That's okay if you don't like Jay. But in the 90s Jay wasnt viewed that way, he wasnt always the commerical rapper. He was fighting to survive and made those great albums and that's where he stopped being a good MC imo, he could go deeper if he had wanted - but since he knows he cant do it -he wont even try anymore. I'm not going to argue down your arguments, I feel no need to do that since I think that many people have been inspired by Jay and he knows his place because he can't beat down the greats and never will. To say Jay hasnt done anything for hiphop is pretty harsh because he has showed that you can come from the Macy projects of NYC and still be "friends" with the president of the USA, so he's really uplifted the face of hiphop in that aspect, I cant say that for other mainstream rappers like him. Yes the one he mostly stole from was Biggie, but he has his own flow and has always had a good sense for good beats.

And girl, I aint no damn fan of Nas - I'm a stan lol and in many Nas forums people still praise Resonable Doubt & The Blueprint. I already know Nas is the king, but I dont feel the need to put down Jay because he's done much for the hiphop community. He showed a more sofisticaded side of hiphop buisness than say P Diddy. BUT ENOUGH about this, lets go back to what this thread is about which is the new album LIFE IS GOOD Did u buy it yet ?

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I hate when people compare every album that Nas puts out to Ilmatic and act like he has yet to top it. Not sayin it ain't a classic, but Illmatic aint even my favorite Nas album.

Prospect said:

I hate when people compare every album that Nas puts out to Ilmatic and act like he has yet to top it. Not sayin it ain't a classic, but Illmatic aint even my favorite Nas album.

Word?! What is?

Prospect said:

GoldDolphin said:

mjscarousal said:

I disagree with that respectfully.

Jay Z is just a popular rapper nothing more or less. He hasnt done anything deserving of nearly of the praise that he gets. Any real Nas fan know Blueprint and Reasonable doubt are overrated. Reasonable is Jay Zs best C.D. but its not one of the best HIP HOP cds ever made... NO.

Jay Z is very very very overrated. I admit to liking some Jay Z tracks but NO Jay Z is not a real MC ... NO Jay Z has done NOTHING FOR HIP HOP. Like Musicslave said, Jay Z has always been about business and about finding ways to make money. Im not knocking that or his hustle. But I be damn if I sit here and say his so deep or his lyrics are better than his peers. Even Lupe Fiasco got better lyrics. Jay Z is not deep at all and he steals for people. He stole death to autotune from Krs One. He doesnt give a shit about hip hop, he just cares about money and accolades. I will never give Jay Z props for HIP HOP because he doesnt deserve it.

The only good thing Jay Z got going for him is his HOT BEATS but thats it....

That's okay if you don't like Jay. But in the 90s Jay wasnt viewed that way, he wasnt always the commerical rapper. He was fighting to survive and made those great albums and that's where he stopped being a good MC imo, he could go deeper if he had wanted - but since he knows he cant do it -he wont even try anymore. I'm not going to argue down your arguments, I feel no need to do that since I think that many people have been inspired by Jay and he knows his place because he can't beat down the greats and never will. To say Jay hasnt done anything for hiphop is pretty harsh because he has showed that you can come from the Macy projects of NYC and still be "friends" with the president of the USA, so he's really uplifted the face of hiphop in that aspect, I cant say that for other mainstream rappers like him. Yes the one he mostly stole from was Biggie, but he has his own flow and has always had a good sense for good beats.

And girl, I aint no damn fan of Nas - I'm a stan lol and in many Nas forums people still praise Resonable Doubt & The Blueprint. I already know Nas is the king, but I dont feel the need to put down Jay because he's done much for the hiphop community. He showed a more sofisticaded side of hiphop buisness than say P Diddy. BUT ENOUGH about this, lets go back to what this thread is about which is the new album LIFE IS GOOD Did u buy it yet ?

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First off no I havent gotten the album yet, but I will... Ive been pretty busy lately but Im in the works of listening to it first before purchasing (even though I like Nas still got to do it)

And second, nobody is arguing here.. were just have a discussion and we can have a discussion and not have the same opinion its nothing wrong with that. If that is how you feel I respect it. Its always cool to hear a different perspective and you exactly make a good point. However, I dont see how Jay Z becoming mainstream as him helping the hip hop community specifically. Hip Hop is underground and a way of life and even in the 90s Jay Z was always marketed as a mainstream rapper. He was never into bringing HIP HOP to the forefront musically and just because he manage to be successful doesnt mean that necessarily has helped Hip hop because their were many successful REAL HIP HOP stars before him... Jay Z didnt become big off of Hip hop he became successful because his a smart businessman and makes catchy music. Also, he makes rap music NOT hip hop and yes there is a difference He didnt become notice off of battling other MCs like Nas or Krs which to me really showcases a real MC's raw talent..

I dont think its harsh to say he hasnt done nothing for Hip Hop because his hasnt... what slums in New York does Jay Z go back to in visit? What NY hip hop battles has Jay Z hosted? What creative slogans or themed albums have Jay Z made not geared toward the radio that was sincere??? The MUSIC SPEAKS for that NOT success, awards, or knowing the president.. Who cares if he knows the president? Im suppose to find him inspiring because he knows the President? Okay I find NAS to be more inspiring because he manage to have some success without comprising his art and still to this day he will never do that because that isnt him. His not a sell out and stays true to the hip hop community. He doesnt care about popularity, awards, or radio hits. He cares about Hip Hop and staying true to it.... thats my opinion

Ive heard some songs and I'm feeling it so far, I have to listen to the rest

Prospect said:

I hate when people compare every album that Nas puts out to Ilmatic and act like he has yet to top it. Not sayin it ain't a classic, but Illmatic aint even my favorite Nas album.

That's what they do to every artist unfortunately. I might get it later this year, maybe not this week or whatever but I'll cop it and see how it is.

GoldDolphin said:

Prospect said:

I hate when people compare every album that Nas puts out to Ilmatic and act like he has yet to top it. Not sayin it ain't a classic, but Illmatic aint even my favorite Nas album.

I feel you. What album is your fav?

I don't really have one favorite album, but I like It Was Written, Stillmatic and God's Son more than I like Illmatic.

the album should win a grammy

classic

Jay Z has some of the best albums ever made to his name. No need to bring him down, to compliment Nas. Eminem also has a great many albums - particularly Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers.

It's not as if Nas hasn't done commerical, 'God's Son' anyone? And that wasn't a bad album. Not to mention, Eminem is the best selling as rappers come, does that make him mainstream even though the content is a lot of the time not meant for the mass market. Does it make him an less of an artist?

I just can't when people complain that artists like Jay Z 'suck' and complain about his recognition and then back said comments with feeble reasoning such as 'he is mainstream'.

Not to say that Jay Z or Eminem are superior to Nas; the contrary, in fact. I just feel that although Nas deserves more recognition, Jay Z and more particulary, Eminem, deserve a lot of their praise.

As for his latest release; I enjoyed it. Far from his best - but sitll somewhat enjoyable.

It is his best album since Stillmatic, for me.

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