runphilrun said:

Any others?

Randy Rhoads

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

But then it goes back to why James sold him this plane in the first place if he knew it was faulty. I'm not saying it's soley James fault, but if he and Otis were such good friends, then James would had gotten the engine REPLACED before selling it.

Good point... you know now that you said it, I had to wonder... did Otis KNEW the plane was faulty? And if James really did know, as it's indicated, then did he tell him or didn't?

I could have sworn I read that Otis knew and bought it anyway. Planning to opperate on it maybe??

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Good point... you know now that you said it, I had to wonder... did Otis KNEW the plane was faulty? And if James really did know, as it's indicated, then did he tell him or didn't?

I could have sworn I read that Otis knew and bought it anyway. Planning to opperate on it maybe??

Hmm I think I saw that too... forgot where though.

Prospect said:

runphilrun said:

Sad, so many other artists died from plane crashes:

John Denver

Patsy Cline

Buddy Holly

Richie Valens

Big Bopper

Ricky Nelson

Stevie Ray Vaughn (helicopter)

Aliyah

Any others?

Melanie Thornton

Nobody really knows her, but she was a black, American-born pop singer in Germany. She died in a plane crash in 2001 sometime after Aaliyah's death.

Yeah I know who she is. She was in the group La Bouche...their top songs were "Sweet Dreams" and "Be Your Lover".

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Good point... you know now that you said it, I had to wonder... did Otis KNEW the plane was faulty? And if James really did know, as it's indicated, then did he tell him or didn't?

I could have sworn I read that Otis knew and bought it anyway. Planning to opperate on it maybe??

Operate on it?

missfee said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I could have sworn I read that Otis knew and bought it anyway. Planning to opperate on it maybe??

Operate on it?

The group Lynard Skynard, some of their bodies had to be pulled from trees!

Prospect said:

runphilrun said:

Sad, so many other artists died from plane crashes:

John Denver

Patsy Cline

Buddy Holly

Richie Valens

Big Bopper

Ricky Nelson

Stevie Ray Vaughn (helicopter)

Aliyah

Any others?

Melanie Thornton

Nobody really knows her, but she was a black, American-born pop singer in Germany. She died in a plane crash in 2001 sometime after Aaliyah's death.

Is she the one that sung with the duo Lebouche or something like that?

debbiedean2 said:

The group Lynard Skynard, some of their bodies had to be pulled from trees!

Yeah. I remember watching their story on Behind the Music. Talk about tragic and chilling!

phunkdaddy said:

Prospect said:

Melanie Thornton

Nobody really knows her, but she was a black, American-born pop singer in Germany. She died in a plane crash in 2001 sometime after Aaliyah's death.

Is she the one that sung with the duo Lebouche or something like that?

Yeah they had a hit song "Be My Lover" and some other popular song but I forget the name. They were more popular in Europe though.

Timmy84 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Is she the one that sung with the duo Lebouche or something like that?

Yeah they had a hit song "Be My Lover" and some other popular song but I forget the name. They were more popular in Europe though.

The other song was "Sweet Dreams".

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah they had a hit song "Be My Lover" and some other popular song but I forget the name. They were more popular in Europe though.

The other song was "Sweet Dreams".

Yes, that's the other one.

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The Otis Redding Statue at Ocmulgee Heritage Trail Gateway Park in Macon, GA.

It's also been rumored that Redding and James Brown planned to open an music production/distribution company to take better control of their music, this was an unheard feat for two black entertainers (during this time) and reportedly, this made certain music industry executives uneasy.

Redding also planned to fire his manager Phil Walden because of money problems and alleged rumors that Walden was associated with gangsters.

Otis Redding and his band, "The Barkays" boarded a twin-engine Beechcraft on Dec. 10, 1967. The plane crashed in Wisconsin on Dec. 11, 1967. The only survivor was Ben Cauley, a member of the Barkays, Cauley was the only passenger who had been asleep throughout the whole flight.

After the plane crash, James Brown abandoned the idea of launching a music production/distribution company. He may have taken Redding's death as some kind of warning.

After Redding's death at the age of 26, it was learned that his manager Phil Walden had a $1 million dollar life insurance policy on Redding's life.

Redding's widow Zelma would go to work for one of Walden's companies. Walden allegedly convinced Zelma to sell Redding's publishing rights to Time Music in 1972 for a mere $300,000. Those rights currently generate $2-3 million per year.

Walden would drop all of his R&B acts and start scouting Rock and Pop bands.

It has never been determined what caused the plane to crash.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

It's also been rumored that Redding and James Brown planned to open an music production/distribution company to take better control of their music, this was an unheard feat for two black entertainers (during this time) and reportedly, this made certain music industry executives uneasy.

Redding also planned to fire his manager Phil Walden because of money problems and alleged rumors that Walden was associated with gangsters.

Otis Redding and his band, "The Barkays" boarded a twin-engine Beechcraft on Dec. 10, 1967. The plane crashed in Wisconsin on Dec. 11, 1967. The only survivor was Ben Cauley, a member of the Barkays, Cauley was the only passenger who had been asleep throughout the whole flight.

After the plane crash, James Brown abandoned the idea of launching a music production/distribution company. He may have taken Redding's death as some kind of warning.

After Redding's death at the age of 26, it was learned that his manager Phil Walden had a $1 million dollar life insurance policy on Redding's life.

Redding's widow Zelma would go to work for one of Walden's companies. Walden allegedly convinced Zelma to sell Redding's publishing rights to Time Music in 1972 for a mere $300,000. Those rights currently generate $2-3 million per year.

Walden would drop all of his R&B acts and start scouting Rock and Pop bands.

It has never been determined what caused the plane to crash.

Yeah I read up on that. Don't know if I take it seriously or not though...

runphilrun said:

Any others?

Jim Croce and three or more passengers were killed in a freak plane crash back in '73.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

It's also been rumored that Redding and James Brown planned to open an music production/distribution company to take better control of their music, this was an unheard feat for two black entertainers (during this time) and reportedly, this made certain music industry executives uneasy.

Redding also planned to fire his manager Phil Walden because of money problems and alleged rumors that Walden was associated with gangsters.

Otis Redding and his band, "The Barkays" boarded a twin-engine Beechcraft on Dec. 10, 1967. The plane crashed in Wisconsin on Dec. 11, 1967. The only survivor was Ben Cauley, a member of the Barkays, Cauley was the only passenger who had been asleep throughout the whole flight.

After the plane crash, James Brown abandoned the idea of launching a music production/distribution company. He may have taken Redding's death as some kind of warning.

After Redding's death at the age of 26, it was learned that his manager Phil Walden had a $1 million dollar life insurance policy on Redding's life.

Redding's widow Zelma would go to work for one of Walden's companies. Walden allegedly convinced Zelma to sell Redding's publishing rights to Time Music in 1972 for a mere $300,000. Those rights currently generate $2-3 million per year.

Walden would drop all of his R&B acts and start scouting Rock and Pop bands.

It has never been determined what caused the plane to crash.

Everything's a conspiracy. There are logical explanations for all that.

The fact that his manager had a life insurance policy on Redding suggests nothing more than that he believed in Redding's potential, and was protecting his own interests in the event Redding died. He certainly would have made a lot more money had Redding stayed alive.

The fact that he gave Redding's widow a job was an act of kindness.

$300,000 was a lot of money in 1972. Redding left behind three little children. They needed to be provided for then - not 40 years after the fact.

A manager repping pop and rock bands because there was more money in it? What a scandal!

Man.......watching that UNSUNG & seeing Otis Redding pulled from that icy Lake STILL attached 2 His Plane Seat EFFED ME UP!!!!!!

Genesia said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Everything's a conspiracy. There are logical explanations for all that.

The fact that his manager had a life insurance policy on Redding suggests nothing more than that he believed in Redding's potential, and was protecting his own interests in the event Redding died. He certainly would have made a lot more money had Redding stayed alive.

The fact that he gave Redding's widow a job was an act of kindness.

$300,000 was a lot of money in 1972. Redding left behind three little children. They needed to be provided for then - not 40 years after the fact.

A manager repping pop and rock bands because there was more money in it? What a scandal!

I'm just the messenger.

http://www.otisredding.fr...uneral.htm

Compliments of Radio Station WAOK - KESSLER'S RECORD DEPT.

Photo's by COUNT JACKSON

Young and old loved the "BIG O" and came to see him for the last time	Many had to wait in long lines
Record Company executive and former singer Joe Medlin arrives	Little old lady who played the prelude
Singer Joe Tex arriving	Wilson Pickett arriving
Georgia State Senator Leroy Johnson arriving Senator Johnson was Otis' attorney	Singer Percy Sledge arriving
Atlanta's Arthur Conley who owes his succes to the "Big O"	John Richbourg, knows as "John R" Disc Jockey WLAC, Nashville, Tenn.
Singer Rufus Thomas with Eddie Purrel	Phil Walden, Otis' manager and school mate talks to friends as he enter the auditorium

Singer James Brown
sits prayerfully during the funeral

Singer Joe Simon (middle) talks with other pall-bearers before the services	Singer Oscar Toney, Jr.
Singer Gene Chandler	After the last rites the wife of the singer being escorted to her car
AN EXPRESSION OF SADNESS (Left) Wilson Pickett (Right) Solomon Burke	Crowd wainting for limousines going to the "BigO" ranch for burial

I've never seen Wilson Pickett or James look that somber... that death definitely hit hard for Southern soul music.

Wow. Thanks BlueCorvette for those pics and info. Very informational...yet sad.

woogiebear said:

Man.......watching that UNSUNG & seeing Otis Redding pulled from that icy Lake STILL attached 2 His Plane Seat EFFED ME UP!!!!!!

Yes that part was shocking to watch for me as well. Very errie scene.

missfee said:

woogiebear said:

Man.......watching that UNSUNG & seeing Otis Redding pulled from that icy Lake STILL attached 2 His Plane Seat EFFED ME UP!!!!!!

Yes that part was shocking to watch for me as well. Very errie scene.

I wasn't expected to see that either.

It looks likes Joe Tex and James Brown spotted each other in the last pic?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

It looks likes Joe Tex and James Brown spotted each other in the last pic?

Good point.

Alot here: One is that no one knows how difficult it is to fly, shit, i say Pilots need to be the highest paid people cause the shit they are dealing with up there and controlling it, you cant make A MISTAKE, one thing goes wrong and odds are no one is surviving. So i think we forget that Otis 26 at the time, you make these snap decisions to fly, to do this to do that, you dont really think of the risks, i mean look at the Aaliyah tragedy and countless others John Jr., Jim Croce, Roberto Clemente, John Denver, Thurman Munson, Corey Lidle a few years back crashing into a building in NYC, We take flying for granted now because its the safest way to travel for real, but there is also no margin for error at all.

We are never gonna know why this plane went down, most likely just an engine failure, something so simple can be so tragic. I know we as people always like to NOT make it simple, we have theories that we hope there was A BIGGER REASON to a tragedy, but sometimes, it just happens

lastdecember said:

Alot here: One is that no one knows how difficult it is to fly, shit, i say Pilots need to be the highest paid people cause the shit they are dealing with up there and controlling it, you cant make A MISTAKE, one thing goes wrong and odds are no one is surviving. So i think we forget that Otis 26 at the time, you make these snap decisions to fly, to do this to do that, you dont really think of the risks, i mean look at the Aaliyah tragedy and countless others John Jr., Jim Croce, Roberto Clemente, John Denver, Thurman Munson, Corey Lidle a few years back crashing into a building in NYC, We take flying for granted now because its the safest way to travel for real, but there is also no margin for error at all.

We are never gonna know why this plane went down, most likely just an engine failure, something so simple can be so tragic. I know we as people always like to NOT make it simple, we have theories that we hope there was A BIGGER REASON to a tragedy, but sometimes, it just happens

True.