Shut your non-factor ass up Quincy.

Diddy don't have to! Take that, take that!

Why do I think that drink straw is a semi-permanent attachment to Q's lips at this point?

What's with all the hateration Quincy? You were a mogul in your time. Your albums filled with various artists and VIBE were a succcess during your time. Diddy's corball ass is success during his time. Everyone and their mama knows that diddy made millions off of sampling other people's hits. Yes, diddy is an expert in marketing his ventures. Don't be mad. Sounding like a bitter old man for reason. And I'm not even a diddy fan.

I don't think he sounds like a bitter old man, as much as he sounds like a very accomplished, skilled musician who doesn't appreciate the fact that music making has been cheapened by non-musicians and musically illeterate people over the years... I mean, Quincy is rumored to be the type of musician who can hear music in his head and actually write it out on sheet music without the need to even have an instrument in his hands....

There's some of us who are musicians and who have grown up inspired by real musicians. So, many of us practiced until our fingers bled, went to special schools and studied hard. It's tough not to feel slightly annoyed when some kid off the streets---with a computer/sampler---who plays keyboards with one finger and knows no theory, comes along and makes millions as a "producer".

With that said, I let a lot of the resentment go ages ago... The skills I developed didn't make way for me to be a multi-millionaire music mogul...but, I work... A LOT!! And that's all one could ask for.

I'd cut Quincy a little slack... though, I'm with you guys in that I think he does NOT need to go after Diddy. Quincy's legacy and rep is solid.

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gemari77 said:

I don't think he sounds like a bitter old man, as much as he sounds like a very accomplished, skilled musician who doesn't appreciate the fact that music making has been cheapened by non-musicians and musically illeterate people over the years... I mean, Quincy is rumored to be the type of musician who can hear music in his head and actually write it out on sheet music without the need to even have an instrument in his hands....

There's some of us who are musicians and who have grown up inspired by real musicians. So, many of us practiced until our fingers bled, went to special schools and studied hard. It's tough not to feel slightly annoyed when some kid off the streets---with a computer/sampler---who plays keyboards with one finger and knows no theory, comes along and makes millions as a "producer".

With that said, I let a lot of the resentment go ages ago... The skills I developed didn't make way for me to be a multi-millionaire music mogul...but, I work... A LOT!! And that's all one could ask for.

I'd cut Quincy a little slack... though, I'm with you guys in that I think he does NOT need to go after Diddy. Quincy's legacy and rep is solid.

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What would you say about this record though....?

[img:$uid]http://www.soulculture.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/quincy-jones-q-soul-bossa-nostra.jpg[/img:$uid]

Q has been recycling his own stuff since 1990. True, Quincy is one of the most musically accomplished composers of all-time, but come on.

Quincy looking like Jabba the Hut these days

This is the truth though

gemari77 said:

I don't think he sounds like a bitter old man, as much as he sounds like a very accomplished, skilled musician who doesn't appreciate the fact that music making has been cheapened by non-musicians and musically illeterate people over the years... I mean, Quincy is rumored to be the type of musician who can hear music in his head and actually write it out on sheet music without the need to even have an instrument in his hands....

There's some of us who are musicians and who have grown up inspired by real musicians. So, many of us practiced until our fingers bled, went to special schools and studied hard. It's tough not to feel slightly annoyed when some kid off the streets---with a computer/sampler---who plays keyboards with one finger and knows no theory, comes along and makes millions as a "producer".

With that said, I let a lot of the resentment go ages ago... The skills I developed didn't make way for me to be a multi-millionaire music mogul...but, I work... A LOT!! And that's all one could ask for.

I'd cut Quincy a little slack... though, I'm with you guys in that I think he does NOT need to go after Diddy. Quincy's legacy and rep is solid.

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Agree with this. Plus he's probably telling the truth anyways.

Yeah, the truth hurts when one's sacred cows are getting gored.
Truth be told, Quincy Jones has created/produced more time tested music than P-Whatever his name is at the moment will in a number of life times.


How about challenging P-? to organize/write/arrange music for an orchestra of musicians?

Quincy Jones Big Band...



...Moanin'


For some it must be great sport to sit back and make fun of those that have actually achieved great things but may no longer be at the height of their craft.
Do you also currently make fun of Muhammad Ali?



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smoothcriminal12 said:

Shut your non-factor ass up Quincy.

And I don't like Puffy Bitch, but really, anyone could tell Puffy's not a musician. Hell he had other people producing his most popular material so... why even say that? Puffy was trying to be more like Andre Harrell than a producer anyway and technically that's what he is.

theAudience said:

How about challenging P-? to organize/write/arrange music for an orchestra of musicians?

That doesn't mean anything at all.

The truth hurts..............

smoothcriminal12 said:

theAudience said:

How about challenging P-? to organize/write/arrange music for an orchestra of musicians?

That doesn't mean anything at all.

Sure it does.

It'll prove who has legitimate musical skills and who doesn't.
Then we can make fun of that!

I mean, this is a MUSIC forum...Isn't it?

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theAudience said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

That doesn't mean anything at all.

Sure it does.

It'll prove who has legitimate musical skills and who doesn't.
Then we can make fun of that!

I mean, this is a MUSIC forum...Isn't it?

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I see where you're coming from.

But Diddy's form of making music is just as valid as Quincy's. I just see their ways of making music as existing on two opposite sides of the spectrum; Quincy can use an orchestra (when it is convenient to him) and Diddy can use drum machines and computers. They are both just tools that can be utilised to express what we call "music".

smoothcriminal12 said:

I see where you're coming from.

But Diddy's form of making music is just as valid as Quincy's. I just see their ways of making music as existing on two opposite sides of the spectrum; Quincy can use an orchestra (when it is convenient to him) and Diddy can use drum machines and computers. They are both just tools that can be utilised to express what we call "music".

And all Q did was to make a valid point delineating those differences.
Suddenly folks want to get upset and try to make fun of him.

Silly rabbits...

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theAudience said:

I mean, this is a MUSIC forum...Isn't it?

No, it's a gossip forum.

theAudience said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I see where you're coming from.

But Diddy's form of making music is just as valid as Quincy's. I just see their ways of making music as existing on two opposite sides of the spectrum; Quincy can use an orchestra (when it is convenient to him) and Diddy can use drum machines and computers. They are both just tools that can be utilised to express what we call "music".

And all Q did was to make a valid point delineating those differences.
Suddenly folks want to get upset and try to make fun of him.

Silly rabbits...

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All I said was that he had to shut his non factor ass up.

But seriously, I think the issue is with the way it is expressed, almost as if he is superior because he knows what a B Flat is. It may be helpful to know if you are dealing with music as your job everyday, but in the grand scheme of things as a major artist in the music business, it really won't affect you, oddly enough.

silverchild said:

gemari77 said:

I don't think he sounds like a bitter old man, as much as he sounds like a very accomplished, skilled musician who doesn't appreciate the fact that music making has been cheapened by non-musicians and musically illeterate people over the years... I mean, Quincy is rumored to be the type of musician who can hear music in his head and actually write it out on sheet music without the need to even have an instrument in his hands....

There's some of us who are musicians and who have grown up inspired by real musicians. So, many of us practiced until our fingers bled, went to special schools and studied hard. It's tough not to feel slightly annoyed when some kid off the streets---with a computer/sampler---who plays keyboards with one finger and knows no theory, comes along and makes millions as a "producer".

With that said, I let a lot of the resentment go ages ago... The skills I developed didn't make way for me to be a multi-millionaire music mogul...but, I work... A LOT!! And that's all one could ask for.

I'd cut Quincy a little slack... though, I'm with you guys in that I think he does NOT need to go after Diddy. Quincy's legacy and rep is solid.

[Edited 6/27/12 12:36pm]

What would you say about this record though....?

[img:$uid]http://www.soulculture.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/quincy-jones-q-soul-bossa-nostra.jpg[/img:$uid]

Q has been recycling his own stuff since 1990. True, Quincy is one of the most musically accomplished composers of all-time, but come on.

But at least it's his own material he's recycling. I think Quincy Jones has reached the old age where he feels he's earned the right to speak his mind, and not care if anyone's ego gets bruised. Yeah, maybe he could've been a little classier in how he shared the observation. But who knows, maybe Diddy stepped on Q's big toe once and he's still bitter.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

theAudience said:

And all Q did was to make a valid point delineating those differences.
Suddenly folks want to get upset and try to make fun of him.

Silly rabbits...

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All I said was that he had to shut his non factor ass up.

But seriously, I think the issue is with the way it is expressed, almost as if he is superior because he knows what a B Flat is. It may be helpful to know if you are dealing with music as your job everyday, but in the grand scheme of things as a major artist in the music business, it really won't affect you, oddly enough.

I call it Music Talent Supremacy. It's just as bad as Music Untalent Supremacy.

All I can say is sampling is never ever going away. No matter what, you will forever have your Kanye's and P Diddy's out there. Real musicians have been cut off from mainstream support to the point that actual music is becoming a lost art. Even those musicians that think they have what it takes are mostly under-developed compared to what cats were doing in Quincy's day. Q is right. However, he had no problem with hip-hop artists when he was making money off of them. In fact it could be said, that Quincy, more so than any other REAL musician, helped usher rap into the mainstream of the music industry.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

All I said was that he had to shut his non factor ass up.

But seriously, I think the issue is with the way it is expressed, almost as if he is superior because he knows what a B Flat is. It may be helpful to know if you are dealing with music as your job everyday, but in the grand scheme of things as a major artist in the music business, it really won't affect you, oddly enough.

I call it Music Talent Supremacy. It's just as bad as Music Untalent Supremacy.

funksterr said:

All I can say is sampling is never ever going away.

No matter what, you will forever have your Kanye's and P Diddy's out there.

Real musicians have been cut off from mainstream support to the point that actual music is becoming a lost art. Even those musicians that think they have what it takes are mostly under-developed compared to what cats were doing in Quincy's day. Q is right. However, he had no problem with hip-hop artists when he was making money off of them. In fact it could be said, that Quincy, more so than any other REAL musician, helped usher rap into the mainstream of the music industry.

1. Define "real musician".

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^ LOL

funksterr said:

Q is right. However, he had no problem with hip-hop artists when he was making money off of them. In fact it could be said, that Quincy, more so than any other REAL musician, helped usher rap into the mainstream of the music industry.

I agree.Quincy is absolutely right about P.Diddy,but his argument would carry more weight if he himself had stayed away from hip-hop in the first place.I remember buying his 'Q's Jook Joint' CD and eventually getting rid of it,mainly because of all the hip-hop collaborations.Real musicians shouldn't have to go this route.

Looking @ Uncle Q's body of work(his solo and his production for other artists), he can afford to have a few duds here & there.

And talking about P.Diddy's ass not knowing "B Flat" is like saying a duck doesn't bark. Thats not "supremacy" thats a fact. And guess what? Uncle Q ownes up to his words on this one.

smoothcriminal12 said:

theAudience said:

How about challenging P-? to organize/write/arrange music for an orchestra of musicians?

That doesn't mean anything at all.

Graycap23 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

That doesn't mean anything at all.