vainandy said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

No. Electro-pop does.

What you're talking about doesn't sound like "electro" to me. Sounds more like trance to me

This is trance

This is electro dance pop

aardvark15 said:

vainandy said:

They were hated because they brought rhythm into music and rhythm was considered evil. We can't stand these motherfuckers today because they have taken the rhythm back out of the music. Totally opposite reasons. It's like going backwards in music instead of moving forward with it and Lord knows how hard they fought to get the rhythm in the music in the first place only for some future generations to take it right back out again and make it even duller than before.

Old, my ass. I'm not the one holding the sign bitching about "Play Something Slow" like these old folks are. I bitch because nobody plays anything fast (and if they do, it still has no rhythm to it). The younger generation being content with no fast jams is more in line with the thinking of these old folks than I am. I'm the exact opposite.

^ You're still screaming at the moon. Real kids at heart don't complain about the noise they hear next door.

What do old folks do when they're angry? They scream at you "THIS IS NOT REAL MUSIC. IF YOU WANT SOME MUSIC, I GOT SOME FRANK SINATRA IN THE BASEMENT".

You're actually sounding like that now. And considering you only got dial-up, how hard is it for you to wait until a YouTube video of a Brick song loads up? C'mon man...

Timmy84 said:

vainandy said:

They were hated because they brought rhythm into music and rhythm was considered evil. We can't stand these motherfuckers today because they have taken the rhythm back out of the music. Totally opposite reasons. It's like going backwards in music instead of moving forward with it and Lord knows how hard they fought to get the rhythm in the music in the first place only for some future generations to take it right back out again and make it even duller than before.

Well that hasn't stopped folks today thinking folks are evil and "untalented". It's probably just a matter of opinion and people shoving it in folks' mouths like always. Like I said same script, different cast. I don't know... I guess I just don't see all the vitriol some of y'all seem to spew about it. Sounding like that cat who got forced into a chair in a movie theater and get his eyes to stay open to watch graphic images in a form of electroshock like dude in A Clockwork Orange.

I have absolutely no problem whasoever with evil. The more evil, nasty, filthy, and X rated something is, the better I like it. As for saying they're untalented, that's just telling it like it is. Any fool can "talk" over a beat if it's slow enough to where they won't get tongue tied while trying to talk over it.

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

Well that hasn't stopped folks today thinking folks are evil and "untalented". It's probably just a matter of opinion and people shoving it in folks' mouths like always. Like I said same script, different cast. I don't know... I guess I just don't see all the vitriol some of y'all seem to spew about it. Sounding like that cat who got forced into a chair in a movie theater and get his eyes to stay open to watch graphic images in a form of electroshock like dude in A Clockwork Orange.

I have absolutely no problem whasoever with evil. The more evil, nasty, filthy, and X rated something is, the better I like it. As for saying they're untalented, that's just telling it like it is. Any fool can "talk" over a beat if it's slow enough to where they won't get tongue tied while trying to talk over it.

You don't understand hip-hop but you claim to like its earlier music?

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Timmy84 said:

^ You're still screaming at the moon. Real kids at heart don't complain about the noise they hear next door.

What do old folks do when they're angry? They scream at you "THIS IS NOT REAL MUSIC. IF YOU WANT SOME MUSIC, I GOT SOME FRANK SINATRA IN THE BASEMENT".

You're actually sounding like that now. And considering you only got dial-up, how hard is it for you to wait until a YouTube video of a Brick song loads up? C'mon man...

I'm not a "kid", I'm grown and I've never complained about the noise next door because I see it as if they have their music that loud then they can't hear my own music their wall to complain about it. As for something being considered "real" music, I could care less if it's real or not because it being as dull as it is, is reason enough to down it regardless of whether it's real or not. And as for having dial-up, you're about two years late with that one. When the prices went down on the high speed, I upgraded. But no, I didn't have high speed until the prices went down to where it was affordable enough. Is that a sign of being old? No, that's the sign of being a responsible adult with prioriities as to which bills are necessary and which bills are entertainment.

^ I'm "grown" too but you don't see me complaining about how slow something is. Go for what you know Andy.

Timmy84 said:

vainandy said:

I have absolutely no problem whasoever with evil. The more evil, nasty, filthy, and X rated something is, the better I like it. As for saying they're untalented, that's just telling it like it is. Any fool can "talk" over a beat if it's slow enough to where they won't get tongue tied while trying to talk over it.

You don't understand hip-hop but you claim to like its earlier music?

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There's nothing to "understand". If something sounds like shit, then it just sounds like shit. My reasons not liking it are very simple and not complicated at all. No bitching about it being "evil", no bitching about profanity, none of that. It just simply sounds like pure shit. However, if others want to use profanity or whatever as reasons to try to get rid of it, I'm all for them doing so. But those aren't my reasons at all.

Q is crazy and all but his comments are spot on regarding Diddy and so the fuck what this is something that has been constantly said? I dont see anything wrong with what he said honestly..... cause its true

Its not like there are legends on Q's status truthfully keeping it real as far as todays music scene goes.... ex. Stevie doing a song with Drake etc...

While Diddy is a businessman he is overrated in terms of his music and him as a overall rapper/producer. Just because his been in the business for over a decade doesnt necessarily mean his spectacular at what he does and I just think Q is just speaking his opinion on him music wise. Q is an old bitter queen sometimes but he was correct with these comments.

In him saying this doesnt mean his complaining. His been in the business for a long ass time, worked with alot of legendary acts and has watch the music industry changed. His just giving his opinion on some of the artists out now but this forum looks at people giving their construtive opinions on post 80s music/artist as complaining

Timmy84 said:

^ I'm "grown" too but you don't see me complaining about how slow something is. Go for what you know Andy.

Hell, I guess not because there's a whole radio full of it for you to listen to. And as for me "searching" for something, you can forget that because I've said numerous times before. I didn't have to before and I be damned if I should have to now. It's the principle of it.

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I'm "grown" too but you don't see me complaining about how slow something is. Go for what you know Andy.

Hell, I guess not because there's a whole radio full of it for you to listen to. And as for me "searching" for something, you can forget that because I've said numerous times before. I didn't have to before and I be damned if I should have to now. It's the principle of it.

Turn the radio off... though I'm quite sure you have. I have and I haven't complain since. It may be principle to you but it's the same old song to me.

vainandy said:

aardvark15 said:

Old, my ass. I'm not the one holding the sign bitching about "Play Something Slow" like these old folks are. I bitch because nobody plays anything fast (and if they do, it still has no rhythm to it). The younger generation being content with no fast jams is more in line with the thinking of these old folks than I am. I'm the exact opposite.

Timmy84 said:

vainandy said:

Hell, I guess not because there's a whole radio full of it for you to listen to. And as for me "searching" for something, you can forget that because I've said numerous times before. I didn't have to before and I be damned if I should have to now. It's the principle of it.

Turn the radio off... though I'm quite sure you have. I have and I haven't complain since. It may be principle to you but it's the same old song to me.

I turned the radio off years ago, at least to stations that play current music anyway. But the fact that there's nothing good on current radio is reason enough to complain and nothing ever changes when people don't complain. Hell, I encourage more people to complain. The more the better. But if complaining seems like the same old song to you, then what's been all over the radio has forever been the same old song to me. I mean no style change whatsoever in the last 20 years. There's something wrong with that picture there because no era has ever gone that long with no style change whatsoever, at least in my lifetime.

It's not a matter of just sitting back and waiting for the next style to come along that will be better. Hell, I did that in the late 1980s when music had gotten worse and then house music came along and things did get better. But after that era faded, there's no waiting for the next era to be better because styles haven't changed since then and apparently they're not going to change unless more people start bitching.

There's just no getting to you, is it!?

aardvark15 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Q is right but then again, Diddy is a rapper. And rappers don't have to know a thing about music.

Why are you limiting it to rappers. As far back as written music has existed people have managed to be good at it without knowing how to read it. Just ask Jimi, oh wait that's different .

What I was saying is that rappers aren't musicians. Hell, P Diddy might be able to read music better than me, but the fact that he is a rapper means he is not a musician. Pretty much any rapper will agree with that, too.

duccichucka said:

For the record,

As far as I know, Jimi Hendrix couldn't read music either;

does the fact that he couldn't recognize a Bb if it hit him

make him a lesser musician than Jones?

No. You don't need the knowledge in order to play rock/

blues that you probably and most likely need to have in jazz.

Jimi might not know what a Bb looks like on a staff, but if you played a note and asked him to tell you what it was, I guarantee you he'd have gotten it right every single time.

RodeoSchro said:

duccichucka said:

For the record,

As far as I know, Jimi Hendrix couldn't read music either;

does the fact that he couldn't recognize a Bb if it hit him

make him a lesser musician than Jones?

No. You don't need the knowledge in order to play rock/

blues that you probably and most likely need to have in jazz.

Jimi might not know what a Bb looks like on a staff, but if you played a note and asked him to tell you what it was, I guarantee you he'd have gotten it right every single time.

I don't know about that, either, because perfect pitch isn't really important to being a great musician.

BUT...He certainly knew where Bb was on his guitar, and probably on the piano. He could play in the key of Bb.

He knew Bb and Diddy was no Bb

Nah I doubt Jimi would know, he just played what feel good. Now THAT'S talent when you can pick out a chord like that without really knowing what you hit.

Timmy84 said:

Nah I doubt Jimi would know, he just played what feel good. Now THAT'S talent when you can pick out a chord like that without really knowing what you hit.

mjscarousal said:

Q is crazy and all but his comments are spot on regarding Diddy and so the fuck what this is something that has been constantly said? I dont see anything wrong with what he said honestly..... cause its true

Its not like there are legends on Q's status truthfully keeping it real as far as todays music scene goes.... ex. Stevie doing a song with Drake etc...

While Diddy is a businessman he is overrated in terms of his music and him as a overall rapper/producer. Just because his been in the business for over a decade doesnt necessarily mean his spectacular at what he does and I just think Q is just speaking his opinion on him music wise. Q is an old bitter queen sometimes but he was correct with these comments.

In him saying this doesnt mean his complaining. His been in the business for a long ass time, worked with alot of legendary acts and has watch the music industry changed. His just giving his opinion on some of the artists out now but this forum looks at people giving their construtive opinions on post 80s music/artist as complaining

I know, its crazy isnt it? And besides that, Quincy was telling the obvious TRUTH! Dont see what the uproar is about.

NDRU said:

RodeoSchro said:

Jimi might not know what a Bb looks like on a staff, but if you played a note and asked him to tell you what it was, I guarantee you he'd have gotten it right every single time.

I don't know about that, either, because perfect pitch isn't really important to being a great musician.

BUT...He certainly knew where Bb was on his guitar, and probably on the piano. He could play in the key of Bb.

He knew Bb and Diddy was no Bb

I don't know that you need perfect pitch to recognize a note, especially if it's one you've played a million times. That's how I figure out solos and stuff - look for familiar patterns and sounds.

Maybe I've got perfect pitch and don't know it, LOL.

aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah I doubt Jimi would know, he just played what feel good. Now THAT'S talent when you can pick out a chord like that without really knowing what you hit.

Man, y'all are nuts! I guarantee you Hendrix knew every single thing about every single chord he ever played.

He might have made up stuff, but after he made it up I guarantee you he knew what it was that he'd made up, note/chord-wise.

Y'all really think a guy could become, through years and years and countless hours of playing, the greatest guitarist in history and NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS PLAYING ?

C'mon!

RodeoSchro said:

aardvark15 said:

Man, y'all are nuts! I guarantee you Hendrix knew every single thing about every single chord he ever played.

He might have made up stuff, but after he made it up I guarantee you he knew what it was that he'd made up, note/chord-wise.

Y'all really think a guy could become, through years and years and countless hours of playing, the greatest guitarist in history and NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS PLAYING ?

C'mon!

My guess is he just remembered how he played some of his songs. After all, his performances often had a lot of unreleased songs and improvisation.

Well we'll never know now because he's been dead 42 years now. But in what I saw why would you think he could read music? Which is all I was really saying? Some folks called some musicians geniuses because of their ability to play by ear rather than read it. That's all I was saying.

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Timmy84 said:

Well we'll never know now because he's been dead 42 years now.

Timmy84 said:

Well we'll never know now because he's been dead 42 years now. But in what I saw why would you think he could read music? Which is all I was really saying? Some folks called some musicians geniuses because of their ability to play by ear rather than read it. That's all I was saying.

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I'm not talking about reading music at all. I'm talking about Jimi knowing what notes made up any chord he played. I'm talking about someone playing a C#minor 7th chord on a guitar, and Jimi being able to tell you that it was a C#minor7th without looking at the guy playing the guitar.

Whether Jimi played by ear or read music isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Jimi's knowledge of notes, scales and chords. I guarantee you he knew everything about those things that there was to know.

He didn't just put his fingers on the fretboard in various random formations.

aardvark15 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Man, y'all are nuts! I guarantee you Hendrix knew every single thing about every single chord he ever played.

He might have made up stuff, but after he made it up I guarantee you he knew what it was that he'd made up, note/chord-wise.

Y'all really think a guy could become, through years and years and countless hours of playing, the greatest guitarist in history and NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS PLAYING ?

C'mon!

My guess is he just remembered how he played some of his songs. After all, his performances often had a lot of unreleased songs and improvisation.

Do you play guitar?

I do, and have for 27 years. I'm not even very good, and my ability to read music is on par with my ability to read Swahili.

And that has nothing whatsoever with my knowledge of what notes make up any chord, or how scales are played and the notes that make up that scale.

I guarantee you that it is impossible to get as good as Hendrix was not know the position and name of every single note on the guitar's neck.

RodeoSchro said:

Timmy84 said:

Well we'll never know now because he's been dead 42 years now. But in what I saw why would you think he could read music? Which is all I was really saying? Some folks called some musicians geniuses because of their ability to play by ear rather than read it. That's all I was saying.

[Edited 6/30/12 9:42am]

I'm not talking about reading music at all. I'm talking about Jimi knowing what notes made up any chord he played. I'm talking about someone playing a C#minor 7th chord on a guitar, and Jimi being able to tell you that it was a C#minor7th without looking at the guy playing the guitar.

Whether Jimi played by ear or read music isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Jimi's knowledge of notes, scales and chords. I guarantee you he knew everything about those things that there was to know.

He didn't just put his fingers on the fretboard in various random formations.

I agree.

Im not sure why Jimi Hendrix was even brought up

mjscarousal said:

Q is crazy and all but his comments are spot on regarding Diddy and so the fuck what this is something that has been constantly said? I dont see anything wrong with what he said honestly..... cause its true

Its not like there are legends on Q's status truthfully keeping it real as far as todays music scene goes.... ex. Stevie doing a song with Drake etc...

While Diddy is a businessman he is overrated in terms of his music and him as a overall rapper/producer. Just because his been in the business for over a decade doesnt necessarily mean his spectacular at what he does and I just think Q is just speaking his opinion on him music wise. Q is an old bitter queen sometimes but he was correct with these comments.

In him saying this doesnt mean his complaining. His been in the business for a long ass time, worked with alot of legendary acts and has watch the music industry changed. His just giving his opinion on some of the artists out now but this forum looks at people giving their construtive opinions on post 80s music/artist as complaining

I read this thread and it's not like Q said somethinf false. Diddy is a genius when it comes to marketing, not his music. AND I am not hating, I'm telling it like it is. Whether this is an argument about what's Real Music VS. Music Today; I think so many of you have points. However Diddy is not even close to Q's status in terms of music. Markerting he exceeds, but the name that is On P.Diddy is not a name given because of his music but his business's..etc.

What's the fuss? lol

mjscarousal said:

RodeoSchro said:

I'm not talking about reading music at all. I'm talking about Jimi knowing what notes made up any chord he played. I'm talking about someone playing a C#minor 7th chord on a guitar, and Jimi being able to tell you that it was a C#minor7th without looking at the guy playing the guitar.

Whether Jimi played by ear or read music isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Jimi's knowledge of notes, scales and chords. I guarantee you he knew everything about those things that there was to know.

He didn't just put his fingers on the fretboard in various random formations.

I agree.

Im not sure why Jimi Hendrix was even brought up

Because Jimi couldn't recognize a B flat if it hit him