Quincy's bang on. Diddy hasn't got a musical bone in his body, the untalented prick.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Shut your non-factor ass up Quincy.

So, Quincy Jones- in the world of showbiz as a musician, bandleader, songwriter, composer, arranger, and solo artist in 60 years working with legends, everyone from Miles to Ella and back , plus having 27 Grammy Awards and in his spare time writing books, producing major motion pictures and hit television series is a non-factor in American entertainment. Who'da thunk it?

Guess ya really can learn something new everyday on the org.

This is an old school vs new school thang.Ottensen said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Shut your non-factor ass up Quincy.

So, Quincy Jones- in the world of showbiz as a musician, bandleader, songwriter, composer, arranger, and solo artist in 60 years working with legends, everyone from Miles to Ella and back , plus having 27 Grammy Awards and in his spare time writing books, producing major motion pictures and hit television series is a non-factor in American entertainment. Who'da thunk it?

Guess ya really can learn something new everyday on the org.

This is an old school vs new school thang.

Seems these young cats have no appreciation 4 history and TRUE talent.

Ottensen said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Shut your non-factor ass up Quincy.

So, Quincy Jones- in the world of showbiz as a musician, bandleader, songwriter, composer, arranger, and solo artist in 60 years working with legends, everyone from Miles to Ella and back , plus having 27 Grammy Awards and in his spare time writing books, producing major motion pictures and hit television series is a non-factor in American entertainment. Who'da thunk it?

Guess ya really can learn something new everyday on the org.

You just did an excellent job of pulling words out of my mouth that I never said. You too, Gray.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Ottensen said:

So, Quincy Jones- in the world of showbiz as a musician, bandleader, songwriter, composer, arranger, and solo artist in 60 years working with legends, everyone from Miles to Ella and back , plus having 27 Grammy Awards and in his spare time writing books, producing major motion pictures and hit television series is a non-factor in American entertainment. Who'da thunk it?

Guess ya really can learn something new everyday on the org.

You just did an excellent job of pulling words out of my mouth that I never said. You too, Gray.

But it's what you implied, that's the problem.

What did you mean by it?

Graycap23 said:

This is an old school vs new school thang.Ottensen said:

So, Quincy Jones- in the world of showbiz as a musician, bandleader, songwriter, composer, arranger, and solo artist in 60 years working with legends, everyone from Miles to Ella and back , plus having 27 Grammy Awards and in his spare time writing books, producing major motion pictures and hit television series is a non-factor in American entertainment. Who'da thunk it?

Guess ya really can learn something new everyday on the org.

This is an old school vs new school thang.

Seems some of these young cats have no appreciation 4 history and TRUE talent.

Fixed but I agree

and yes alot of Quincy Jones comments this past decade have been ridiculous but its not like what he is saying isnt true in this case.

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mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

This is an old school vs new school thang.Ottensen said:

This is an old school vs new school thang.

Seems some of these young cats have no appreciation 4 history and TRUE talent.

Fixed but I agree

and yes alot of Quincy Jones comments this past decade have been ridiculous but its not like what he is saying isnt true in this case.

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mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

This is an old school vs new school thang.Ottensen said:

This is an old school vs new school thang.

Seems some of these young cats have no appreciation 4 history and TRUE talent.

Fixed but I agree

and yes alot of Quincy Jones comments this past decade have been ridiculous but its not like what he is saying isnt true in this case.

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After all that he has accomplished in his lifetime, truth be told he needs approval like a monkey needs two tails. I'm suprised he doesn't come out talking all kinds of smack.

Did Michael know what a B Flat is?

Quincy Jones says Sean Co...bout music

Well-respected music producer Quincy Jones joins the long list of people wondering why rapper Sean Combs is still relevant musically.

“P. Diddy wouldn’t know a B-flat” if it hit him in the face, said Jones to singer Bruno Mars at an event to launch a new music app on Tuesday. “P. Diddy has a doctorate in marketing. He’s got clothes companies and Ciroc vodka,” said Jones after telling the audience to “learn your craft.”

Most so-called “producers” actually depend on real producers who create the music but see the credit go to the bigger name producer, such as Sean Combs.

Case in point: An unknown Stevie J languished behind the mixing boards in the studio crafting music for Puff Daddy, who then took all the credit in the 1990s.

Other producers who took credit for other people’s work include Dallas Austin and Jermaine Durpri. Which explains why they can’t buy a hit today.

Photos: Stefan Jeremiah/WENN.com

The truth hurts!! But I like Diddy saw him partying it up @ a private Prince afterparty. Even though Prince ignored him, even after he layed across the stage trying to get Prince attention. But he is cool..

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That's right, knock that little piece of shit hop trash down to size!

....

Look i love & respect the hell out of Quincy he is a musical mastermind.

But as i was saying earlier you all act like AHHHHHHH SHIT HE TOLD DAT MUTHAFUCKA AHHH YEAH HE GAVE IT TO HIM & BROUGHT HIS EXPIRED LIBRARY CARD & CHECKED HIM 3 TIMES.

Really guys & gals... i'm pretty Diddy would be the first to tell you he doesn't know shit about musical theroy or even what a d# note is

Diddy has pretty admited to being a marketing & business man... He has some eh ok songs never ever been a fan. But i am saying no one i putting puff on top rappers lists or even top producers or musicians list.

So it seems like Quincy is just spitting shit everyone including Diddy and everyone he produced for has known since oh... 94?

Azz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

You just did an excellent job of pulling words out of my mouth that I never said. You too, Gray.

But it's what you implied, that's the problem.

What did you mean by it?

I didn't imply anything. I said "non-factor", and they assumed it to mean non-factor in the American entertainment industry, then somehow twisted it and turned it into an old school vs. new school thing, which has nothing to do with it. Folks on the org will take things and just run with it.

Gunsnhalen said:

....

Look i love & respect the hell out of Quincy he is a musical mastermind.

But as i was saying earlier you all act like AHHHHHHH SHIT HE TOLD DAT MUTHAFUCKA AHHH YEAH HE GAVE IT TO HIM & BROUGHT HIS EXPIRED LIBRARY CARD & CHECKED HIM 3 TIMES.

Really guys & gals... i'm pretty Diddy would be the first to tell you he doesn't know shit about musical theroy or even what a d# note is

Diddy has pretty admited to being a marketing & business man... He has some eh ok songs never ever been a fan. But i am saying no one i putting puff on top rappers lists or even top producers or musicians list.

So it seems like Quincy is just spitting shit everyone including Diddy and everyone he produced for has known since oh... 94?

It's true that he's not saying anything that we already didn't know but it just feels damn good to hear someone say it again.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Azz said:

But it's what you implied, that's the problem.

What did you mean by it?

I didn't imply anything. I said "non-factor", and they assumed it to mean non-factor in the American entertainment industry, then somehow twisted it and turned it into an old school vs. new school thing, which has nothing to do with it. Folks on the org will take things and just run with it.

Anyone who can read would assume that's what you meant.

Azz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I didn't imply anything. I said "non-factor", and they assumed it to mean non-factor in the American entertainment industry, then somehow twisted it and turned it into an old school vs. new school thing, which has nothing to do with it. Folks on the org will take things and just run with it.

Anyone who can read would assume that's what you meant.

Um no - that just sounds like a cop out and was a very broad assumption.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Azz said:

Anyone who can read would assume that's what you meant.

Um no - that just sounds like a cop out and was a very broad assumption.

Hypocrisy!

In no way was what I said a cop out. Nor would I say it was a broad assumption. It was simply based on the literal meaning of what you said. You might notice that I am not the only one who assumed this.

Besides, back to my original question; what did you mean by it? I'm intrigued.

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Isn't this the guy who thought Billie Jean was a weak song?

Quincy Jones is a fucking architect!

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aardvark15 said:

Isn't this the guy who thought Billie Jean was a weak song?

He was also the guy who produced it.

I thought "Billie Jean" was written & produced by MJ??

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I thought "Billie Jean" was written & produced by MJ??

It was written by Michael and produced by Quincy Jones.There's a rumor that Quincy didn't like the song and tried to talk Michael into removing it from the album

SoulAlive said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I thought "Billie Jean" was written & produced by MJ??

It was written by Michael and produced by Quincy Jones.There's a rumor that Quincy didn't like the song and tried to talk Michael into removing it from the album

Personally, I'm a bit unsure about that whole rumour... so many MJ fans state it as fact, but I think Quincy denied wanting to take the song off the album in his autobiography (although that's unsurprising enough), plus Rod Temperton said (in the 2001 Thriller SE interviews) that the team knew from the beginning that it was always going to be a cornerstone of the album.

Mind you, that whole thing about the speaker bursting into flames while playing "Beat It" actually did happen, according to Rod, so it seems that weirder things have happened, lol.

Quincy Jones is being an elitist here. He's been blessed with

a natural talent for music and unlike most modern bedroom

producers today, who are similarly blessed with music abilities,

choose to hone and learn the craft of music making and musician-

ship.

But just because P. Diddy doesn't know how to speak the language

of music doesn't make him a lesser musician than Quincy Jones; it's

just that Quincy Jones's musical vocabulary is more expansive than

P. Diddy's.

Certain circumstances call for specific needs: if I want to listen to

thought provoking jazz arrangements, gimme Jones. But if I'm up

in da club, gimme Puffy.

And I say this as a musician who has been trained classically and

knows my theory - that, for example, in a C major scale, a Bb would

be a lowered 7th and is a musical snob...there's enough room in

music for dunderheads who can make you dance and bookworms who

can make you think.

duccichucka said:

Quincy Jones is being an elitist here. He's been blessed with

a natural talent for music and unlike most modern bedroom

producers today, who are similarly blessed with music abilities,

choose to hone and learn the craft of music making and musician-

ship.

But just because P. Diddy doesn't know how to speak the language

of music doesn't make him a lesser musician than Quincy Jones; it's

just that Quincy Jones's musical vocabulary is more expansive than

P. Diddy's.

Certain circumstances call for specific needs: if I want to listen to

thought provoking jazz arrangements, gimme Jones. But if I'm up

in da club, gimme Puffy.

And I say this as a musician who has been trained classically and

knows my theory - that, for example, in a C major scale, a Bb would

be a lowered 7th and is a musical snob...there's enough room in

music for dunderheads who can make you dance and bookworms who

can make you think.

But isn't sampling taking notes from somebody else's creation, and making it your own, sort of like cheating on an exam type of thing?

angel345 said:

duccichucka said:

Quincy Jones is being an elitist here. He's been blessed with

a natural talent for music and unlike most modern bedroom

producers today, who are similarly blessed with music abilities,

choose to hone and learn the craft of music making and musician-

ship.

But just because P. Diddy doesn't know how to speak the language

of music doesn't make him a lesser musician than Quincy Jones; it's

just that Quincy Jones's musical vocabulary is more expansive than

P. Diddy's.

Certain circumstances call for specific needs: if I want to listen to

thought provoking jazz arrangements, gimme Jones. But if I'm up

in da club, gimme Puffy.

And I say this as a musician who has been trained classically and

knows my theory - that, for example, in a C major scale, a Bb would

be a lowered 7th and is a musical snob...there's enough room in

music for dunderheads who can make you dance and bookworms who

can make you think.

But isn't sampling taking notes from somebody else's creation, and making it your own, sort of like cheating on an exam type of thing?

Basically....

I had a friend in highschool who did this (producer who sampled beats, he was good by the way) and we always got into arguements because I didnt think it was innovative or creative and he insisted that it was. I guess it depends how you look at it. I think there are some producers that have made creative beats/production with sampling. However, I dont think its as creative as they try to make it to be. Its not not technically original and while the product might be creative, I dont think its innovative since it incorporates someone elses idea.

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angel345 said:

duccichucka said:

Quincy Jones is being an elitist here. He's been blessed with

a natural talent for music and unlike most modern bedroom

producers today, who are similarly blessed with music abilities,

choose to hone and learn the craft of music making and musician-

ship.

But just because P. Diddy doesn't know how to speak the language

of music doesn't make him a lesser musician than Quincy Jones; it's

just that Quincy Jones's musical vocabulary is more expansive than

P. Diddy's.

Certain circumstances call for specific needs: if I want to listen to

thought provoking jazz arrangements, gimme Jones. But if I'm up

in da club, gimme Puffy.

And I say this as a musician who has been trained classically and

knows my theory - that, for example, in a C major scale, a Bb would

be a lowered 7th and is a musical snob...there's enough room in

music for dunderheads who can make you dance and bookworms who

can make you think.

I think it does make him a lesser musician in the sense that is at hand. Writing, reading and producing original music.

Just as Quincy's lessser sampling vocabulary makes P. Diddy a better sampler.

angel345 said:

duccichucka said:

Quincy Jones is being an elitist here. He's been blessed with

a natural talent for music and unlike most modern bedroom

producers today, who are similarly blessed with music abilities,

choose to hone and learn the craft of music making and musician-

ship.

But just because P. Diddy doesn't know how to speak the language

of music doesn't make him a lesser musician than Quincy Jones; it's

just that Quincy Jones's musical vocabulary is more expansive than

P. Diddy's.

Certain circumstances call for specific needs: if I want to listen to

thought provoking jazz arrangements, gimme Jones. But if I'm up

in da club, gimme Puffy.

And I say this as a musician who has been trained classically and

knows my theory - that, for example, in a C major scale, a Bb would

be a lowered 7th and is a musical snob...there's enough room in

music for dunderheads who can make you dance and bookworms who

can make you think.

But isn't sampling taking notes from somebody else's creation, and making it your own, sort of like cheating on an exam type of thing?

Musicians are always stealing ideas from each other; I never had a problem with

sampling in and of itself. I had a problem with unimaginative sampling; in this

regard, Diddy, most of the time, was at least trying to be imaginative.

So again, all the classical composers and jazz musicians, who, in my opinion,

are the best musicians on the planet, "sample" other musician's ideas all the

time.

allsmutaside said:

angel345 said:

I think it does make him a lesser musician in the sense that is at hand. Writing, reading and producing original music.

Just as Quincy's lessser sampling vocabulary makes P. Diddy a better sampler.

I disagree; there is no such thing as a "lesser musician" in this regard.

There are such things as a more trained musician, a more accomplished

musician, a more learned musician, a musician with a larger musical

vocabulary....

But just because Quincy Jones is all of these things doesn't necessarily make

him a "better/greater musician" than Diddy. I know what you are saying: that

Diddy's talent isn't as enormous as Jones's - but because Diddy doesn't have

the same training that Jones has, we'll never know for certain.

Could Jones write a symphony, direct an orchestra, arrange for big bands,

lead a jazz ensemble?....yes. Doesn't mean he's a better musician than

Puff Daddy - he's a different musician working in a completely different

context. Hip hop doesn't call for all of that learned-ness; jazz and classical

music does. ------------whoops, wrote "doesn't" instead of "does."

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