Graycap23 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

That doesn't mean anything at all.

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LOL, I see Quincy's point about P Diddy's doctorate in marketing, but I didn't like his comment about the "b flat" thing. Lots of famous writers can't read music. Lional Richie, Lennon and McCartney, the Bee Gee's, Phil Collins, Michael Jackson, even Cole Porter supposedly.

Anyway, I like David Fosters view (who can read music), when he said you don't need to to be able to make a hit record.

thesexofit said:

LOL, I see Quincy's point about P Diddy's doctorate in marketing, but I didn't like his comment about the "b flat" thing. Lots of famous writers can't read music. Lional Richie, Lennon and McCartney, the Bee Gee's, Phil Collins, Michael Jackson, even Cole Porter supposedly.

Anyway, I like David Fosters view (who can read music), when he said you don't need to to be able to make a hit record.

I knew I liked David for a reason.

^ Well I don't know about anyone else but the reason for my posts was everyone knows Puffy Bitch got limitations anyways. It's almost like being Captain Obvious. It's like you see a flower has rotten and then someone else comes and says "damn that flower is rotten" and it's like "I know it's rotten dummy."

Harlepolis said:

Looking @ Uncle Q's body of work(his solo and his production for other artists), he can afford to have a few duds here & there.

And talking about P.Diddy's ass not knowing "B Flat" is like saying a duck doesn't bark. Thats not "supremacy" thats a fact. And guess what? Uncle Q ownes up to his words on this one.

Q very seldoms goes there...

saying anything negative or makes a critical observation of an artist.

I agree with Neal and Harle's points of view on this subject... I haven't anything to add to what these two have said.

Harlepolis said:

Looking @ Uncle Q's body of work(his solo and his production for other artists), he can afford to have a few duds here & there.

And talking about P.Diddy's ass not knowing "B Flat" is like saying a duck doesn't bark. Thats not "supremacy" thats a fact. And guess what? Uncle Q ownes up to his words on this one.

agreed

Timmy84 said:

SavonOsco said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Well I don't know about anyone else but the reason for my posts was everyone knows Puffy Bitch got limitations anyways. It's almost like being Captain Obvious. It's like you see a flower has rotten and then someone else comes and says "damn that flower is rotten" and it's like "I know it's rotten dummy."

Agreed.... It's a "no shit Sherlock " moment My mistake was reading the responses without thoroughly reading the article...

I understand, that's a tradition around these parts.

smoothcriminal12 said:

funksterr said:

All I can say is sampling is never ever going away.

No matter what, you will forever have your Kanye's and P Diddy's out there.

Real musicians have been cut off from mainstream support to the point that actual music is becoming a lost art. Even those musicians that think they have what it takes are mostly under-developed compared to what cats were doing in Quincy's day. Q is right. However, he had no problem with hip-hop artists when he was making money off of them. In fact it could be said, that Quincy, more so than any other REAL musician, helped usher rap into the mainstream of the music industry.

1. Define "real musician".

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People that have mastered a physical musical instrument. Especially those people whose mastery is such that they have influenced other musicians through their playing. Today's mainstream music scene is such that audiences have had almost NO EXPOSURE to anyone that talented. It's just as bad for singers, who are let down by sub-par writing talent and weak azz 'producers', posing as musicians. Actual music , played by actual musicians, is no longer really sold at the mainstream level. Audiences wouldn't recognize it if they heard it. And Q was an extremely passionate advocate for this new direction... when he was getting a check out of it.

TD3 said:

Harlepolis said:

Looking @ Uncle Q's body of work(his solo and his production for other artists), he can afford to have a few duds here & there.

And talking about P.Diddy's ass not knowing "B Flat" is like saying a duck doesn't bark. Thats not "supremacy" thats a fact. And guess what? Uncle Q ownes up to his words on this one.

Q very seldoms goes there...

saying anything negative or makes a critical observation of an artist.

I agree with Neal and Harle's points of view on this subject... I haven't anything to add to what these two have said.

Very true!! I don't remember him ever saying anything bad about any other artist besides when Tupaq was interested in dating his daughter...But they patched things up. Besides that stupid "head" rumor.

Who didn't know this Puff or P or whateva. Is all about marketing!~ he is good at it.. i mean how many lists is Puff on there as best rapper or one of them? NONE most likely. He knew what sounds where hot, what clothes & made people stars by that.

I think most people with at least a 1st grade education knew diddy was not trying to be a musical genius

There's no reason Q needed to steer clear of Rap/Hip-Hop.
It was a popular form that he incorporated (not became a part of) into the music he was producing.
Just as he incorporated popular Funk and R&B elements/artists over the years as he moved from doing strictly Jazz.

I'll close my chapter in this thread by saying I probably wouldn't have commented at all if it hadn't have been for the negative comments directed at Q.
And these were taken from partial quotes that no one really knew what the context was.
Hell, overall he could've been complimenting P-? on his lack of musical knowledge but success via marketing.

But what's the easiest thing to do? Research the topic?
Nope. Attack Q.

So, as an excercise i'll defend him.

Not based on the article, but based on his musical history.

Music for adventurous listeners


tA

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funksterr said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

1. Define "real musician".

[Edited 6/27/12 14:54pm]

People that have mastered a physical musical instrument. Especially those people whose mastery is such that they have influenced other musicians through their playing. Today's mainstream music scene is such that audiences have had almost NO EXPOSURE to anyone that talented. It's just as bad for singers, who are let down by sub-par writing talent and weak azz 'producers', posing as musicians. Actual music , played by actual musicians, is no longer really sold at the mainstream level. Audiences wouldn't recognize it if they heard it. And Q was an extremely passionate advocate for this new direction... when he was getting a check out of it.

Waiting the geniuses who think vocals are instruments.

funksterr said:

theAudience said:

Yeah, the truth hurts when one's sacred cows are getting gored.
Truth be told, Quincy Jones has created/produced more time tested music than P-Whatever his name is at the moment will in a number of life times.


How about challenging P-? to organize/write/arrange music for an orchestra of musicians?

Quincy Jones Big Band...



...Moanin'


For some it must be great sport to sit back and make fun of those that have actually achieved great things but may no longer be at the height of their craft.
Do you also currently make fun of [b]Muhammad Ali?[/b]



Music for adventurous listeners


tA

Tribal Records

Ouch!

Graycap23 said:

I was at the Jam of the Year tour in 1997 and during the piano melody (band left the stage) Prince said "I have Quincy Jones on tape saying I'm not a good piano player." Then he just played his heart out for about a minute and stopped and said "that's why folks should keep my mouth shut."

I thought it was interesting.....because I thought Q and P was always cool because I have seen Q speak about him during clips when P received an award.

Harlepolis said:

Looking @ Uncle Q's body of work(his solo and his production for other artists), he can afford to have a few duds here & there.

And talking about P.Diddy's ass not knowing "B Flat" is like saying a duck doesn't bark. Thats not "supremacy" thats a fact. And guess what? Uncle Q ownes up to his words on this one.

I have been trying to turn a new, less sarcastic, leaf in my life of late, but I will be working that phrase into my day at every appropriate turn.

So why are folks ganging up on Q in regards to what he said? Hell it's true!!! On the flip side, Diddy isn't trying to learn what a "B Flat" is...he's just about making them dollars. Secretly, I love it when the real old school heads who were actually SCHOOLED in musicianship calls out these fools in the industry today. Look back at some Sammy Davis, Jr. clips when he was performing in his later years while he was battling cancer...he still called out musical notes during his performance to make sure the band was on key just like he did in his Rat Pack years and his voice, despite all the drinking, drugs and smoking he did, was FLAWLESS until the end. That's class baby. Singing "take dat, take dat" in a song, isn't. Diddy's of my generation, but I got a stronger appreciation for the old heads though. Just sayin'.

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prime said:

I was at the Jam of the Year tour in 1997 and during the piano melody (band left the stage) Prince said "I have Quincy Jones on tape saying I'm not a good piano player." Then he just played his heart out for about a minute and stopped and said "that's why folks should keep my mouth shut."

I thought it was interesting.....because I thought Q and P was always cool because I have seen Q speak about him during clips when P received an award.

I remeber a TV clip way back when Diddy was playing some crap with a Jackson 5 sample to Berry Gordy, like he had was elevating the J5 stuff to some new place. Diddy was so proud of what he had done, and wanted Berry to know how much he was revered and respected. Berry was generous in his response, but he seemed lilke a duck in some headlights trying not to give away what he was really thinking, that this dude 'Couldn't recognize a B flat if it hit him.'

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

prime said:

I was at the Jam of the Year tour in 1997 and during the piano melody (band left the stage) Prince said "I have Quincy Jones on tape saying I'm not a good piano player." Then he just played his heart out for about a minute and stopped and said "that's why folks should keep my mouth shut."

I thought it was interesting.....because I thought Q and P was always cool because I have seen Q speak about him during clips when P received an award.

Should have read: "I have Quincy Jones on tape saying I'm not a good piano player." Then he just played his heart out for about a minute and stopped and said "that's why folks should keep their mouth shut."

It was tight though.....

Why would Quincy say something like that? I actually like Prince's keyboard playing more than his guitar playing..I like the way he attacks his notes...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Why would Quincy say something like that? I actually like Prince's keyboard playing more than his guitar playing..I like the way he attacks his notes...

I think Quincy was (and maybe still is?) pissed at Prince passing up his spot on "we are the world". Nobody turns Quincy down LOL.

Funny, cause there is a pic of Berry with Irv Gotti I saw a few years back and he had the same look on his face

missfee said:

So why are folks ganging up on Q in regards to what he said? Hell it's true!!! On the flip side, Diddy isn't trying to learn what a "B Flat" is...he's just about making them dollars. Secretly, I love it when the real old school heads who were actually SCHOOLED in musicianship calls out these fools in the industry today. Look back at some Sammy Davis, Jr. clips when he was performing in his later years while he was battling cancer...he still called out musical notes during his performance to make sure the band was on key just like he did in his Rat Pack years and his voice, despite all the drinking, drugs and smoking he did, was FLAWLESS until the end. That's class baby. Singing "take dat, take dat" in a song, isn't. Diddy's of my generation, but I got a stronger appreciation for the old heads though. Just sayin'.

[Edited 6/27/12 19:39pm]

Groupthink mentality.

One person cracks a joke/posts a gif, and a gang of others follow suit.

theAudience said:

There's no reason Q needed to steer clear of Rap/Hip-Hop.
It was a popular form that he incorporated (not became a part of) into the music he was producing.
Just as he incorporated popular Funk and R&B elements/artists over the years as he moved from doing strictly Jazz.

I'll close my chapter in this thread by saying I probably wouldn't have commented at all if it hadn't have been for the negative comments directed at Q.
And these were taken from partial quotes that no one really knew what the context was.
Hell, overall he could've been complimenting P-? on his lack of musical knowledge but success via marketing.

But what's the easiest thing to do? Research the topic?
Nope. Attack Q.

So, as an excercise i'll defend him.

Not based on the article, but based on his musical history.

Music for adventurous listeners


tA

Tribal Records

You know whats funny though? On this subject, Quincy doesn't need defending AT ALL. I'm even more surprised at the people who made an issue out of it.

Hell, P.Diddy himself would probably say that "Quincy is right" while the same crowd will still cry wolf about Q's supposed "music snobbery" or whatever the popular argument thats taking place in the org these days.

silverchild said:

Q has been recycling his own stuff since 1990. True, Quincy is one of the most musically accomplished composers of all-time, but come on.

he's coming from Jazz, and there it is absoultely standard procedure to redo your own (or other peoples) music over an over again, with same or with different arrangements, with new musicians, soloists and singers and so on. but no one is/was bitching about 1000 Ellington versions of Caravan or A-Train, Basie has a million recordings of Shiny Stockings or Corner Pocket. and I love each and every one of them

yes, I know, Q is doing all those guest rappers, hip & trendy sounds, AutoTune, and whatever. not on par with his older output, sure, everyone will agree. but most of it still worthwhile and certainly better than most other shit released today. and there is always the skip button for the stinkers

[Edited 6/28/12 4:24am]