http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PRIOfXMnR0o

Anyone else watching?

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Azz said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PRIOfXMnR0o

Anyone else watching?

Im going to watch this now.... Thanks!!!

Is this overseas?

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I believe it is in the UK.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PRIOfXMnR0o

Anyone else watching?

Im going to watch this now.... Thanks!!!

What Jason Whitlock said about Michael Jackson's use of the Jewish slur in They Don't Really Care About Us, couldn't be more true.

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Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Im going to watch this now.... Thanks!!!

What Jason Whitlock said about Michael Jackson's use of the Jewish slur in They Don't Really Care About Us, couldn't be more true.

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Agreed.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Im going to watch this now.... Thanks!!!

What Jason Whitlock said about Michael Jackson's use of the Jewish slur in They Don't Really Care About Us, couldn't be more true.

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I had to step out, at work... what did he say regarding the slur?

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

What Jason Whitlock said about Michael Jackson's use of the Jewish slur in They Don't Really Care About Us, couldn't be more true.

[Edited 6/26/12 12:48pm]

I had to step out, at work... what did he say regarding the slur?

That Jews acted in their own best cause and shut it down rather than let it pass on that record.

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Graycap23 said:

mjscarousal said:

I had to step out, at work... what did he say regarding the slur?

That Jews acted in their own best cause and shut it down rather than like it pass on that record.

Yep, I agree to.. thanks.

Overall, from the segments I saw this was very very interesting, I always enjoy hearing Krs One talk about Hip Hop and the media etc, the others brought interesting view points as well. There should be more things like this on channels like BET for example. Its really ashame.

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KRS-One disappointed me. He came up with very, very poor and non-factor arguments when he could have given even better defenses. Besides a few others, he was on the lone actual rappers who were at the debate, and his arguments seemed very nonsensical and weak to me.

Gah... I missed it! I hope they put it up on youtube again.

smoothcriminal12 said:

KRS-One disappointed me. He came up with very, very poor and non-factor arguments when he could have given even better defenses. Besides a few others, he was on the lone actual rappers who were at the debate, and his arguments seemed very nonsensical and weak to me.

I agree.

I used to think he was intelligent.

"By bitches, he means cars"

............

It was a poorly made debate, it could have been so much better. I understand why Questlove & Tip were frustrated, because the artists were never allowed to speak all the way. The lawyer guy was a poor choice because he didn't know much about hiphop which made it horrible, they should have had the other female professor (Rosie?) as the main person talking. Jesse Jackson surprised me because he's usually against hiphop culture and now he was"praising" it, I guess he can't bash the community so he was being pragmatic. Budden, Ortiz made a bad choice on participating on the debate, if they knew they were gonna get bored or tired. The fox guy who made that comment about MJ & the jews was unnecessary, didnt do anything for the debate. There were some good points made, but overall it was poorly done by Google+. I think that the whole music industry should be on Trial, not just hip-hop. What about the useless songs that are played on the radio on a daily basis? That has effect on people too.

GoldDolphin said:

What about the useless songs that are played on the radio on a daily basis?

There's no such thing as "useless songs". Sounds like music snob talk to me.

MickyDolenz said:

GoldDolphin said:

What about the useless songs that are played on the radio on a daily basis?

There's no such thing as "useless songs". Sounds like music snob talk to me.

Hahaha I love that pic. But in all seriousness though, the music on the radio is useless because it doesn't have any emotion or realness to it. Most songs are commerical songs that are meant to make teens buy the single on Itunes and then move on, it's more focused on looks than the actual music. There's GREAT music being produced today as well just like underground hiphop &neosoul.

GoldDolphin said:

It was a poorly made debate, it could have been so much better.

GoldDolphin said:

MickyDolenz said:

There's no such thing as "useless songs". Sounds like music snob talk to me.

Hahaha I love that pic. But in all seriousness though, the music on the radio is useless because it doesn't have any emotion or realness to it. Most songs are commerical songs that are meant to make teens buy the single on Itunes and then move on, it's more focused on looks than the actual music. There's GREAT music being produced today as well just like underground hiphop &neosoul.

Lol @ you doing the same thing again without even realizing it.

Why you motherfuckers still listen to the radio then?

GoldDolphin said:

Hahaha I love that pic. But in all seriousness though, the music on the radio is useless because it doesn't have any emotion or realness to it. Most songs are commerical songs that are meant to make teens buy the single on Itunes and then move on, it's more focused on looks than the actual music. There's GREAT music being produced today as well just like underground hiphop &neosoul.

What does real mean? As long as it can be heard, it's real music. It's not like Jimmy Stewart talking to Harvey the giant rabbit. If a song is fun, and it makes people happy or dance, that's an emotion. Just because a song has some sort of "deep" meaning or protesting something, does not make it have more "realness" than any other song.

All records are commercial, since they're trying to sell them and make money. If not, why bother to get a record contract or do gigs for paying audiences? They can play music in their home for themselves, if it's only for the "art" of it.

Glad to know that I didn't miss much.

Azz said:

GoldDolphin said:

It was a poorly made debate, it could have been so much better.

Prince.org... well some posters should have debated but I dunno we probably would have needed censorship

GoldDolphin said:

MickyDolenz said:

There's no such thing as "useless songs". Sounds like music snob talk to me.

Hahaha I love that pic. But in all seriousness though, the music on the radio is useless because it doesn't have any emotion or realness to it. Most songs are commerical songs that are meant to make teens buy the single on Itunes and then move on, it's more focused on looks than the actual music. There's GREAT music being produced today as well just like underground hiphop &neosoul.

Pretty Much.

Timmy84 said:

Why you motherfuckers still listen to the radio then?

I listen because I want to be updated on what's going on in the mainstream scene, and also because I''m planning on working as a professional songwriter.

MickyDolenz said:

GoldDolphin said:

Hahaha I love that pic. But in all seriousness though, the music on the radio is useless because it doesn't have any emotion or realness to it. Most songs are commerical songs that are meant to make teens buy the single on Itunes and then move on, it's more focused on looks than the actual music. There's GREAT music being produced today as well just like underground hiphop &neosoul.

What does real mean? As long as it can be heard, it's real music. It's not like Jimmy Stewart talking to Harvey the giant rabbit. If a song is fun, and it makes people happy or dance, that's an emotion. Just because a song has some sort of "deep" meaning or protesting something, does not make it have more "realness" than any other song.

All records are commercial, since they're trying to sell them and make money. If not, why bother to get a record contract or do gigs for paying audiences? They can play music in their home for themselves, if it's only for the "art" of it.

When I talk about realness, I speak on songwriters / producers that write songs because they're trying to convey something; be that emotions/feelings, lyrical content, or other things that reflect our society. I can't say that the producers & songwriters that are making songs for One Direction, Justin Bieber, Chris Brown have reached any of those criterias which mean they make fake music (many of them, are actually accomplished musicians like Katy Perrys swedish producers - but he knows it doesn't sell good) .

Of course all records are commerical and have always been, else there wouldnt be a music industry that makes billions, however in the past and in present time, there has always been a sense of respecting the art of music in the sense that you want to produce good material & still give it to the masses. Commerical & mainsteram music does represent this culture tho, which is egocentric-desperate-attention whoring people. However I hope that my generation (the 90s) start creating better music, because the people producing now are the generation that grew up in the 80s.

GoldDolphin said:

When I talk about realness, I speak on songwriters / producers that write songs because they're trying to convey something; be that emotions/feelings, lyrical content, or other things that reflect our society. I can't say that the producers & songwriters that are making songs for One Direction, Justin Bieber, Chris Brown have reached any of those criterias which mean they make fake music (many of them, are actually accomplished musicians like Katy Perrys swedish producers - but he knows it doesn't sell good) .

Of course all records are commerical and have always been, else there wouldnt be a music industry that makes billions, however in the past and in present time, there has always been a sense of respecting the art of music in the sense that you want to produce good material & still give it to the masses. Commerical & mainsteram music does represent this culture tho, which is egocentric-desperate-attention whoring people. However I hope that my generation (the 90s) start creating better music, because the people producing now are the generation that grew up in the 80s.

Good/bad is an opinion of the listener. You can't prove it. As far as wanting attention goes, that's everybody that performs. A person that is playing an instrument or singing on a street corner is trying to get the attention of folks, so that maybe some of them will put money in their can. A person that does not want attention will not do anything that will make it so, they'll be a hermit or recluse.

smoothcriminal12 said:

KRS-One disappointed me. He came up with very, very poor and non-factor arguments when he could have given even better defenses. Besides a few others, he was on the lone actual rappers who were at the debate, and his arguments seemed very nonsensical and weak to me.

I've never seen Krs respond like that. It's almost as if he were paid 2 dumbdown with the boogiedown.

Graycap23 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

KRS-One disappointed me. He came up with very, very poor and non-factor arguments when he could have given even better defenses. Besides a few others, he was on the lone actual rappers who were at the debate, and his arguments seemed very nonsensical and weak to me.

I've never seen Krs respond like that. It's almost as if he were paid 2 dumbdown with the boogiedown.

He's always come across as very intelligent and smart. His arguments surprised me.

MickyDolenz said:

GoldDolphin said:

When I talk about realness, I speak on songwriters / producers that write songs because they're trying to convey something; be that emotions/feelings, lyrical content, or other things that reflect our society. I can't say that the producers & songwriters that are making songs for One Direction, Justin Bieber, Chris Brown have reached any of those criterias which mean they make fake music (many of them, are actually accomplished musicians like Katy Perrys swedish producers - but he knows it doesn't sell good) .

Of course all records are commerical and have always been, else there wouldnt be a music industry that makes billions, however in the past and in present time, there has always been a sense of respecting the art of music in the sense that you want to produce good material & still give it to the masses. Commerical & mainsteram music does represent this culture tho, which is egocentric-desperate-attention whoring people. However I hope that my generation (the 90s) start creating better music, because the people producing now are the generation that grew up in the 80s.

Good/bad is an opinion of the listener. You can't prove it. As far as wanting attention goes, that's everybody that performs. A person that is playing an instrument or singing on a street corner is trying to get the attention of folks, so that maybe some of them will put money in their can. A person that does not want attention will not do anything that will make it so, they'll be a hermit or recluse.

Obviously that's an opinion, but it's quite surprising when the producers don't like their own work but do it because "it pays my bills" then as a thinking person, I have to question their reasons. Music is art and hence it can be discussed as good or bad but like all types of art, there is no answer that's final. Yes well music is about getting it out and make others listen to it. Just because a book such as Harry Potter sells in millions doesn't qualify it as something good, nor does a poetry book that sold 500 copies bad. Like I said, music has always in a way reflected the society people are living in and I dont personally feel that this type of music today, represents the time we are living in. I sometimes like to compare the music scene today with the 80s, because much of the 80s was a colorful/fantasy type of world where music was escapism from reality and what was really going on, not until the end of the decade artists started to reflect on what had happenend. Dance music is the most popular form of mainstream music right now and that's alright, however what I'm trying to say is that there's NO BALANCE which has always existed in some way or the other.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Graycap23 said:

I've never seen Krs respond like that. It's almost as if he were paid 2 dumbdown with the boogiedown.

He's always come across as very intelligent and smart. His arguments surprised me.

His is a smart guy. I wonder what's really going on him as it relates 2 that debate?

Graycap23 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

He's always come across as very intelligent and smart. His arguments surprised me.

His is a smart guy. I wonder what's really going on him as it relates 2 that debate?

Perhaps he wasn't ready for what they were going to throw at him? Who knows. It honestly just seemed as if it was one big "hate hip-hop" campaign.

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