Terrib3Towel said:

aardvark15 said:

Trying to esape the truth huh?

Bye.

Madonna and her lame ass dance-pop music,

Like several songs on Whitney's first two albums

Janet and her thin ass voice

So was Whitney's post 90's

and mediocre dancing ability

She's a a great dancer AND can actually dance

Mariah got outsang by Whitney when her voice was barely half of how good is used to be.

Whitney's a vocal powerhouse that's about it

But keep on trying tho.

Whitney is THE pop diva, the REAL queen of pop.

She's the queen of pop when all she does is sing

Why don't you go and listen to Gimme all your Luvin

One of the weakest songs on the album and her career

or watch Madonna fuck a black jesus?

You clearly don't understand that video. It's not Jesus

Or how about go to the bargin bin and pic up Janet's last 3 albums

The superbowl ruined her career what can I say. I saw Just Whitney in there too before.

or Mariah's last train wreck?

That was a terrible album

Are you still here??

Whitney slays. That's quite obvious no matter how you try to twist it.

Biggest Selling Soundtrack

Most Awarded Female Artist of All Time

7 Consecutive #1s

Biggest Selling non-charity single of all time

Bigest Selling Album By a Female

Keep trying.

Terrib3Towel said:

Are you still here??

Whitney slays. That's quite obvious no matter how you try to twist it.

Biggest Selling Soundtrack

Most Awarded Female Artist of All Time

7 Consecutive #1s

Biggest Selling non-charity single of all time

Bigest Selling Album By a Female

Keep trying.

Success means nothing in comparison to talent. they are two different words. Yes Whitney's an angelic singer but she's not much else. I love Whitney, I own all of her albums, but to claim she's better than someone who writes their own songs and gives one helluva performance is ridiculous. And then to say Madonna did shitty dance music which Whitney was successful at is ridiculous. BTW I could go on about success for Madge, Janet, and Mariah but I won't because talent and success are two seperate words.

Janet and Mariah have released a bunch of shitty records. And not shitty in the sense that they were failed experiments. They just kept releasing the same boring ass shit over and over.

Madonna has taken a lot of risks. And Whitney's peak was so extremely high that damn near anything she did was going to be golden. Doubly so due to the breaks she took between material.

All four women have acheived huge success and have music that will stand the test of time.

Why is that not enough?

These women are all so different from each other, so the comparisons don't work for me. I figure they are big w/ those who are on their wavelength and not so much w/ others. IMHO, it doesn't make any of them any more or less as artists.

badujunkie said:

was thinking about this...record sales aside, but just icon, divadom, fame, influence, press, sheer fame and status...if you had to look at the mega female pop stars of the 80s / 90s / 00s, i don't think Britney, RiRi, or Beyonce (nor Gaga) have yet gone to the level of the big four female divas from the generation just before in terms of body of work and overall legacy / influence. yes I know rihanna has 9 million number one songs but her albums dont sell. Gaga and Beyonce have incredible careers but i still don't see them being up there with Mariah or Whitney or Jan or M at their peaks.

is it just because I'm 30 and not 20?

anyway, of the big 4, wouldn't you agree madge and nippy made it the furthest in terms of movies, music, superstardom, and longevity? I look to you came out in 2009 and went straight to number one. Madonna is still selling out stadiums. Just sayin...

No Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin?

robertlove said:

I think Whitney and Madonna are more iconic. Although bought Janet and mariah sold a lot of records, internationally they were never on the level of Madonna and Whitney for so many years.

Madonna and Whitney started earlier and lasted longer and made a bigger impact.

Don't know about the US, I think Janet was always very popular there.

I agree

Janet was just as huge in the 1980's I believe, but Janet would let to much time go between albums

Janet started her career prior to Control she had an album or 2 and was acting on tv shows and of course she was known being a Jackson, but she didn't hit big till Control-Rhythm Nation & I'll add Janet.

But she didn't stay up there much longer after that

Terrib3Towel said:

jeidee said:

minus "and whitney", unless being a crackedy mess is an accomplishment.

Why are you pressed tho?

Whitney shits all over these heffas.

Next..

that's seriously questionable

aardvark15 said:

I do agree with what silverchild said but if I had to rank them....

I would rank them:

Voice:

Whitney

Mariah

Janet

Madonna

Songwriting:

Janet

Madonna

Mariah

Whitney

Performance:

Madonna

Janet

Whitney

Mariah

Dancing:

Janet

Madonna

Whitney

Mariah

Success:

Madonna

Whitney

Mariah

Janet

Influence:

Janet

Madonna

Mariah

Whitney (While I do feel most people who aspire to sing listen to Whitney, they often sound more like Mariah then anyone else)

Overrall Package:

Mariah

Janet

Madonna

Whitney

Basically:

Madonna- Weak voice (aside from Ray Of Light era), amazing performer, great songwriter

Whitney- Heavenly voice and that's about it. Her performances are good but they focus and rely on the voice

Janet- Good voice (she does well with the range she has), amazing performer, great songwriter

Mariah- Great voice, okay performer, great songwriter

Fashion

Madonna (She's an icon in the fashion industry)

Janet

Whitney/Mariah (known for their beauty but not so much in fashion)

Acting

Whitney

Janet (not a good actress imo, but she has done some good roles)

Madonna (the only movie which she did well was Don't Cry for me Argentina)

Mariah (she was alright in the Precious movie but I havent seen much to judge)

Gunsnhalen said:

Why do people even make these threads... i mean really? You know it is just going ot turn into a stan war. it has happened everytme someone brings up these gals in the same thread since i started on the org in 09

People never learn

Hush your mouth, I for one enjoy watching the rabid stans attacking each other. Just add a and laugh at the meaningless rantings of idiots.

Yes the two were always more popular. My favourites ranked in order are:

Janet

Madonna

Mariah

Whitney

Singing (preference of voice, not technique):

Mariah

Janet

Whitney

Madonna

Dancing:

Janet

Madonna

Mariah

Whitney

Songwriting:

Mariah

Janet

Madonna

Whitney

Performing:

Janet

Madonna

Mariah

Whitney

Movies:

Janet

Whitney

Madonna

Mariah

Influence on music/pop culture:

Madonna

Janet

Whitney

Mariah

Fashion:

Madonna

Whitney

Janet

Mariah

Overall:

Janet

Madonna

Mariah

Whitney

Terrib3Towel said:

aardvark15 said:

Trying to esape the truth huh?

Bye.

Madonna and her lame ass dance-pop music, Janet and her thin ass voice and mediocre dancing ability, and Mariah got outsang by Whitney when her voice was barely half of how good is used to be.

But keep on trying tho. Whitney is THE pop diva, the REAL queen of pop. Why don't you go and listen to Gimme all your Luvin or watch Madonna fuck a black jesus? Or how about go to the bargin bin and pic up Janet's last 3 albums or Mariah's last train wreck?

MEDIOCRE dancing ability? Bitch, now I know you crazy!

OldFriends4Sale said:

robertlove said:

I think Whitney and Madonna are more iconic. Although bought Janet and mariah sold a lot of records, internationally they were never on the level of Madonna and Whitney for so many years.

Madonna and Whitney started earlier and lasted longer and made a bigger impact.

Don't know about the US, I think Janet was always very popular there.

I agree

Janet was just as huge in the 1980's I believe, but Janet would let to much time go between albums

Janet started her career prior to Control she had an album or 2 and was acting on tv shows and of course she was known being a Jackson, but she didn't hit big till Control-Rhythm Nation & I'll add Janet.

But she didn't stay up there much longer after that

Are you joking? the janet. album came in 1993. That's was 11 years before the SuperBowl, which equals a long time. From 1993 until the early 2000s (and even before), Janet was on a plane all by herself. Not only did she sign the biggest recording contracts by EVER by a female during that time period, but all of her albums debuted at #1, she sold out concerts everwhere, the #1 hits kept on coming, she won heaps of awards, etc. Her biggest critical acclaim came in 1997. With 2001's "All For You", she broke radio records that took ten years to be broken (by Lady Gaga).

SEANMAN said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Bye.

Madonna and her lame ass dance-pop music, Janet and her thin ass voice and mediocre dancing ability, and Mariah got outsang by Whitney when her voice was barely half of how good is used to be.

But keep on trying tho. Whitney is THE pop diva, the REAL queen of pop. Why don't you go and listen to Gimme all your Luvin or watch Madonna fuck a black jesus? Or how about go to the bargin bin and pic up Janet's last 3 albums or Mariah's last train wreck?

MEDIOCRE dancing ability? Bitch, now I know you crazy!

Exactly.

And I remember reading this poster was a Beyonce fan somewhere.......

SEANMAN said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree

Janet was just as huge in the 1980's I believe, but Janet would let to much time go between albums

Janet started her career prior to Control she had an album or 2 and was acting on tv shows and of course she was known being a Jackson, but she didn't hit big till Control-Rhythm Nation & I'll add Janet.

But she didn't stay up there much longer after that

Are you joking? the janet. album came in 1993. That's was 11 years before the SuperBowl, which equals a long time. From 1993 until the early 2000s (and even before), Janet was on a plane all by herself. Not only did she sign the biggest recording contracts by EVER by a female during that time period, but all of her albums debuted at #1, she sold out concerts everwhere, the #1 hits kept on coming, she won heaps of awards, etc. Her biggest critical acclaim came in 1997. With 2001's "All For You", she broke radio records that took ten years to be broken (by Lady Gaga).

Again, you are right.

"& I'll add Janet"

Janet. was her most successful album. Thats The Way Love Goes was her biggest single in the US. I believe its the biggest hit by a Jackson in the US. Not to mention, her cover of that year's Rolling Stone Magazine is the best selling Rolling Stone magazine to date, with her pose being replicated by supposedly superior artists like Mariah 9 years later.

The Velvet Rope was her critical peak, her best tour to date, she began recieving Legend/Life-Time achievement awards, and had her biggest selling single and one of the best selling singles of all time - Together Again. Which was a smash worldwide

All For You album had another two number ones, she recieved ICON status by MTV, hundreds of high profiles attended in her honour (N Sync, Britney Spears, Christina, Aaliyah, Stevie Wonder...), she broke radio records, the album sold 600,000 first week. The promo was cut short however, because of Mariah's mess.

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Azz said:

SEANMAN said:

MEDIOCRE dancing ability? Bitch, now I know you crazy!

Exactly.

And I remember reading this poster was a Beyonce fan somewhere.......

The best part is he/she is comparing Janet to Whitney who can't even dance

GoldDolphin said:

aardvark15 said:

I do agree with what silverchild said but if I had to rank them....

I would rank them:

Voice:

Whitney

Mariah

Janet

Madonna

Songwriting:

Janet

Madonna

Mariah

Whitney

Performance:

Madonna

Janet

Whitney

Mariah

Dancing:

Janet

Madonna

Whitney

Mariah

Success:

Madonna

Whitney

Mariah

Janet

Influence:

Janet

Madonna

Mariah

Whitney (While I do feel most people who aspire to sing listen to Whitney, they often sound more like Mariah then anyone else)

Overrall Package:

Mariah

Janet

Madonna

Whitney

Basically:

Madonna- Weak voice (aside from Ray Of Light era), amazing performer, great songwriter

Whitney- Heavenly voice and that's about it. Her performances are good but they focus and rely on the voice

Janet- Good voice (she does well with the range she has), amazing performer, great songwriter

Mariah- Great voice, okay performer, great songwriter

Fashion

Madonna (She's an icon in the fashion industry)

Janet

Whitney/Mariah (known for their beauty but not so much in fashion)

Acting

Whitney

Janet (not a good actress imo, but she has done some good roles)

Madonna (the only movie which she did well was Don't Cry for me Argentina)

Mariah (she was alright in the Precious movie but I havent seen much to judge)

Put her at the bottom She's a horrible actress aside from Evita. Even though Mariah's not exactly a bad actress but none of her performances are as bad as some of Madonna's.

aardvark15 said:

Azz said:

Exactly.

And I remember reading this poster was a Beyonce fan somewhere.......

The best part is he/she is comparing Janet to Whitney who can't even dance

Never said Whitney could dance.

And I don't like Beyonce so can stop with that nonsense.

Whitney 'The Voice' Houston still slays.

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Bye haters!!

Terrib3Towel said:

aardvark15 said:

The best part is he/she is comparing Janet to Whitney who can't even dance

Never said Whitney could dance.

And I don't like Beyonce so can stop with that nonsense.

Whitney 'The Voice' Houston still slays.

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Bye haters!!

theres a rason why she was called 'the voice', and thats because thats all she really was

They all pale in comparison to Teena Marie. She wrote, produced, and arranged! She pulled it off live, without any gimmicks. Yeah, she didn't have the visual beauty that all of them had (although I think she was beautiful) she just wasn't a pin up. Madonna can barely play guitar, Mariah can't play an instrument, Janet can maybe play a keyboard riff, Whitney could play a crack pipe...but Teena could run circles around these women if she were alive still! And had been doing it way before any of these ladies!

lazycrockett said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Why do people even make these threads... i mean really? You know it is just going ot turn into a stan war. it has happened everytme someone brings up these gals in the same thread since i started on the org in 09

People never learn

Hush your mouth, I for one enjoy watching the rabid stans attacking each other. Just add a and laugh at the meaningless rantings of idiots.

You eat it

But for real... you think people stans, fans or whatever would just get over it. They act like someone insulted there mother & threatened there new born baby in these Janet/Madonna/Whitney threads. It kind of creeps me out

SEANMAN said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree

Janet was just as huge in the 1980's I believe, but Janet would let to much time go between albums

Janet started her career prior to Control she had an album or 2 and was acting on tv shows and of course she was known being a Jackson, but she didn't hit big till Control-Rhythm Nation & I'll add Janet.

But she didn't stay up there much longer after that

Are you joking? the janet. album came in 1993. That's was 11 years before the SuperBowl, which equals a long time. From 1993 until the early 2000s (and even before), Janet was on a plane all by herself. Not only did she sign the biggest recording contracts by EVER by a female during that time period, but all of her albums debuted at #1, she sold out concerts everwhere, the #1 hits kept on coming, she won heaps of awards, etc. Her biggest critical acclaim came in 1997. With 2001's "All For You", she broke radio records that took ten years to be broken (by Lady Gaga).

No I'm not Joking, I'm saying Janet became a superstar in the 1980's via Control & Rhythm Nation

Janet was huge & yes Velvet Rope. I love these 4 album but I'm saying she did start to waver in & out the lime light after Janet, After Velvet Rope she fell off. But Janet was HUGE in the 1980's

You know what, how many people aren't going to sell out concerts? Yes Janet will sell out concerts.

Janet during "All 4 You" wasn't as Big as Control/Rhythm Nation Janet, not even close

You know someone is pressed if they call Janet a weak dancer

Lol.

I said mediocre. Nothing special.

Better than Madonna tho.

OldFriends4Sale said:

SEANMAN said:

Are you joking? the janet. album came in 1993. That's was 11 years before the SuperBowl, which equals a long time. From 1993 until the early 2000s (and even before), Janet was on a plane all by herself. Not only did she sign the biggest recording contracts by EVER by a female during that time period, but all of her albums debuted at #1, she sold out concerts everwhere, the #1 hits kept on coming, she won heaps of awards, etc. Her biggest critical acclaim came in 1997. With 2001's "All For You", she broke radio records that took ten years to be broken (by Lady Gaga).

No I'm not Joking, I'm saying Janet became a superstar in the 1980's via Control & Rhythm Nation

Janet was huge & yes Velvet Rope. I love these 4 album but I'm saying she did start to waver in & out the lime light after Janet, After Velvet Rope she fell off. But Janet was HUGE in the 1980's

You know what, how many people aren't going to sell out concerts? Yes Janet will sell out concerts.

Janet during "All 4 You" wasn't as Big as Control/Rhythm Nation Janet, not even close

Since there's a lot I decided to seperate so it didn't seem as much

The three biggest singles of Janet's career were post-RN, Together Again, That's The Way Love Goes, and All For You's title track.

Now in terms of albums sold, yes Control and RN were bigger than Velvet Rope and All For You (but only because they were big in the U.S (almost half their sales are in the U.S)) But single wise, no.

Control was successful worldwide (more than RN) but never as successful as it was in the U.S.

Janet only had 3 U.K top 10 hits (all from Control) before 1993. From 1992 and on she's had 13 U.K top 10 hits. Also Janet is her only album to peak at number 1 on U.K charts and All For You and Design Of A Decade are her only albums to peak at 2 on the U.K charts.

In France the closest she came to a number one album was All For You's peak of 2. She never even had a top 20 hit pre-1992 in France and only one top 50 song, Escapade. Post-1991 she's had 3 top 10 hits and 3 additional top 20 hits.

In Canada her only two number one albums are Janet and All For You, Velvet Rope is right behind at 2. Single wise she was quite successful pre-1992 with 11 top 10 hits but post-1991 she's had 15 including Go Deep, Just A Little While, and Feedback which weren't really successful anywhere else in the world and 2 of those are post-superbowl BTW

In Germany Control and RN didn't even make the top 20 but Janet peaked at 5 as did Velvet Rope. All For You was her highest peaking at 3. She only had 2 Pre-1992 top 10 hits (both from Control) but she's had 4 post-1991 top 10 hits including 2 top 3 hits (which she never had pre-1992)

In Australia RN was quite successful peaking at 1 however it only had one top 10 hit, Black Cat which peaked at 6. Black Cat was her second and final pre-1992 top 10 hit. From 1992 on she's had 7 top 10 hits including her only Australian number 1 hit, That's The Way Love Goes.

Terrib3Towel said:

Lol.

I said mediocre. Nothing special.

Better than Madonna tho.

When you can bring an underground dance into the limelight and turn it into one of the most famous dance crazes of a decade in addition to making it the focus of a number one hit, tell me.

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aardvark15 said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Lol.

I said mediocre. Nothing special.

Better than Madonna tho.

When you can bring an underground dance into the limelight and turn it into one of the most famous dance crazes of a decade in addition to making it the focus of a number one hit, tell me.

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When Madonna can carry a note, tell me.

Terrib3Towel said:

aardvark15 said:

When you can bring an underground dance into the limelight and turn it into one of the most famous dance crazes of a decade in addition to making it the focus of a number one hit, tell me.

[Edited 6/26/12 20:38pm]

When Madonna can carry a note, tell me.

1. Evita

2. Ray OF Light

3. Music

4. Like A Prayer

5. Confessions On A Dance Floor

6. Various ballads from the 90's

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