neonlights said:

missfee said:

Wow, so folks can't come in and post opinions? Boy bye.

I wouldn't say calling someone a 'stan' and 'delusional' is an opinion but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Here's a free bedtime story for you:

Now leave me the hell alone. For the 2nd time GOODBYE And don't let the bed bugs bite.

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Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

smoothcriminal12 said:

He better hope this new album is a huge hit!

I know right. Some say the new single sounds just like "Happy People" or something like that. It was a thread about it a while back.

HotGritz said:

missfee said:

Well if they do seize Kelly's home, they will probably more than likely find more "evidence" of his hobbies. At the end of that search, owing back taxes would be the least of his problems. How much you want to bet?

Damn, i didn't think of that. Ole boy better pay up and quick. No telling what type of video collection he got.

Like I said before girl...

missfee said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

He better hope this new album is a huge hit!

I know right. Some say the new single sounds just like "Happy People" or something like that. It was a thread about it a while back.

Eh, i liked Happy People/ U Saved Me

He grew up doing gospel... so it fits his voice well. The lyrics where sometimes cheesy as hell but still a really good album. So i wouldn't mind that type of vibe

In fact i never hear people mention that double album much anymore.

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Gunsnhalen said:

missfee said:

I know right. Some say the new single sounds just like "Happy People" or something like that. It was a thread about it a while back.

Eh, i liked Happy People/ U Saved Me

He grew up doing gospel... so it fits his voice well. The lyrics where sometimes cheesy as hell but still a really good album. So i wouldn't mind that type of vibe

In fact i never hear people mention that double album much anymore.

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For real? I still hear folks talk about that "Chocolate Factory" album. I guess that's his classic.

missfee said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Eh, i liked Happy People/ U Saved Me

He grew up doing gospel... so it fits his voice well. The lyrics where sometimes cheesy as hell but still a really good album. So i wouldn't mind that type of vibe

In fact i never hear people mention that double album much anymore.

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For real? I still hear folks talk about that "Chocolate Factory" album. I guess that's his classic.

Chocolate Factory and 12 Play are the only two albums anyone mentions of him. Those and "I Believe I Can Fly", everything else is a blur. The double album set was a headache...

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

For real? I still hear folks talk about that "Chocolate Factory" album. I guess that's his classic.

Chocolate Factory and 12 Play are the only two albums anyone mentions of him. Those and "I Believe I Can Fly", everything else is a blur. The double album set was a headache...

R Used to be my favorite album. but sometimes i just don't dig some of the track's

Happy People/ U Saved Me i prefer the U Saved me side much more.

I never got the hype around Chocolate factory.. it's just an alright album to me.

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Chocolate Factory and 12 Play are the only two albums anyone mentions of him. Those and "I Believe I Can Fly", everything else is a blur. The double album set was a headache...

R Used to be my favorite album. but sometimes i just don't dig some of the track's

Happy People/ U Saved Me i prefer the U Saved me side much more.

I never got the hype around Chocolate factory.. it's just an alright album to me.

R was a double album so he lost me midway through the album though "If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time" was my all-time favorite cut and really the one I wanna remember.

"Chocolate Factory" I got primarily ONLY for Step in the Name of Love.

neonlights said:

Mong said:

even the knobhead filmed himself doing vile things with very young girls.

Proof?

Er, it was floating around the internet for ages. You R. Kelly apologists are something else.

jjam said:

neonlights said:

Proof?

Er, it was floating around the internet for ages. You R. Kelly apologists are something else.

How predictable.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

R Used to be my favorite album. but sometimes i just don't dig some of the track's

Happy People/ U Saved Me i prefer the U Saved me side much more.

I never got the hype around Chocolate factory.. it's just an alright album to me.

R was a double album so he lost me midway through the album though "If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time" was my all-time favorite cut and really the one I wanna remember.

"Chocolate Factory" I got primarily ONLY for Step in the Name of Love.

I really do wish R was a single disc. There's too much filler amoungst the good. I really like Chocolate Factory. There's a bunch of good songs on it. Snake, Ignition (both of them), Step In The Name Of Love (One of my favorite R Songs)

missfee said:

Mong said:

I do find it unbelievable how these insane R Kelly fans support him even the knobhead filmed himself doing vile things with very young girls. They are harbouring paedophiles.

While I don't support what he was accused of, I think some folks just separate what he does in his personal business with his profession. Myself personally, I don't buy his music because it's just okay and not worth buying, but thats just my opinion. I guess one can say that they like James Brown and a big fan of his music, but personally he was a woman beater. Does supporting his music mean that they support men beating on women too?

I agree with you re the separation thing, but the fact that there's footage of R. Kelly's sexual escapades with patently very young girls online doesn't sit well with me. And I know people from where he comes from who say that he's still doing the same old thing. Money talks in his case.

jjam said:

missfee said:

While I don't support what he was accused of, I think some folks just separate what he does in his personal business with his profession. Myself personally, I don't buy his music because it's just okay and not worth buying, but thats just my opinion. I guess one can say that they like James Brown and a big fan of his music, but personally he was a woman beater. Does supporting his music mean that they support men beating on women too?

I agree with you re the separation thing, but the fact that there's footage of R. Kelly's sexual escapades with patently very young girls online doesn't sit well with me. And I know people from where he comes from who say that he's still doing the same old thing. Money talks in his case.

He said, she said. Well, I heard the total opposite...

and why do some of you speak in plural? There's only one tape with an alleged underage woman.

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aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

R was a double album so he lost me midway through the album though "If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time" was my all-time favorite cut and really the one I wanna remember.

"Chocolate Factory" I got primarily ONLY for Step in the Name of Love.

I really do wish R was a single disc. There's too much filler amoungst the good. I really like Chocolate Factory. There's a bunch of good songs on it. Snake, Ignition (both of them), Step In The Name Of Love (One of my favorite R Songs)

Oh yeah it had some good singles don't get me wrong but the non singles are eh

Showdown is a good track, and Heart Of A Woman. Forever is not ot bad... the rest is just boring

of course it's nowhere near as bad as Untitled or TP3

neonlights said:

jjam said:

I agree with you re the separation thing, but the fact that there's footage of R. Kelly's sexual escapades with patently very young girls online doesn't sit well with me. And I know people from where he comes from who say that he's still doing the same old thing. Money talks in his case.

He said, she said. Well, I heard the total opposite...

and why do some of you speak in plural? There's only one tape with an alleged underage woman.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

neonlights said:

He said, she said. Well, I heard the total opposite...

and why do some of you speak in plural? There's only one tape with an alleged underage woman.

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That is for sure up for debate.

But there is still the marriage to Aaliyah... there is not only a certificate.

But read these lyrics to the thing i like

''Mmm-wa here's a little kiss for you honey dip
Now I know you got a thing for me
Mmmm. Here's my number so call me
And we can get together and catch a movie
I like the things you like about me
It's good to know we got something in common see
So if lovin' you's wrong I don't wanna be right
Because you got the thing that I like, I'm our
chorus till fade...''

Even in entertainment singing lyrics like this to a 15 year old?, and the interview where they where wearing the same clothes was just weird

Hell the song Age Ain't Nothin But A Number....

Even we as Kells fan can't deny what he did was wrong there... the certificate is proof enough. But the ''cute little aaliyah'' lyircs to the ones in the thing i like. That shit's just nasty.

Why do you keep bringing up Aaliyah? They both denied the rumors and she's dead. Let her R.I.P.

neonlights said:

Why do you keep bringing up Aaliyah? They both denied the rumors and she's dead. Let her R.I.P.

but there is a certificate... that shit doesn't lie i'm sorry

The point is... R has been in relationships with underage girls.

Can you really defend lyrics saying Mmm-wa here's a little kiss for you honey dip
Now I know you got a thing for me
Mmmm. Here's my number so call me
And we can get together and catch a movie

To a 15 year old?

Document doesn't lie.

Gunsnhalen said:

neonlights said:

Why do you keep bringing up Aaliyah? They both denied the rumors and she's dead. Let her R.I.P.

but there is a certificate... that shit doesn't lie i'm sorry

The point is... R has been in relationships with underage girls.

Can you really defend lyrics saying Mmm-wa here's a little kiss for you honey dip
Now I know you got a thing for me
Mmmm. Here's my number so call me
And we can get together and catch a movie

To a 15 year old?

no further questions your honor

rdhull said:

Gunsnhalen said:

but there is a certificate... that shit doesn't lie i'm sorry

The point is... R has been in relationships with underage girls.

Can you really defend lyrics saying Mmm-wa here's a little kiss for you honey dip
Now I know you got a thing for me
Mmmm. Here's my number so call me
And we can get together and catch a movie

To a 15 year old?

no further questions your honor

Gunsnhalen said:

The point is... R has been in relationships with underage girls.

Can you really defend lyrics saying Mmm-wa here's a little kiss for you honey dip
Now I know you got a thing for me
Mmmm. Here's my number so call me
And we can get together and catch a movie

To a 15 year old?

Where's your PROOF to these claims? you have none but lyrics, I mean, seriously?

That entire album was sexual and Aaliyah mentioned in several interviews that she wanted to be 'grown' and didn't want to go the bubble gum pop route. Even her brother, Rashad mentioned the same in an interview after her death. So the lyrics doesn't prove anything. A song is just a song. He was the producer and writer. You guys wouldn't be speculating about that shit if there were never rumors about a relationship. LOL!

neonlights said:

Gunsnhalen said:

The point is... R has been in relationships with underage girls.

Can you really defend lyrics saying Mmm-wa here's a little kiss for you honey dip
Now I know you got a thing for me
Mmmm. Here's my number so call me
And we can get together and catch a movie

To a 15 year old?

Where's your PROOF to these claims? you have none but lyrics, I mean, seriously?

That entire album was sexual and Aaliyah mentioned in several interviews that she wanted to be 'grown' and didn't want to go the bubble gum pop route. Even her brother, Rashad mentioned the same in an interview after her death. So the lyrics doesn't prove anything. A song is just a song. He was the producer and writer. You guys wouldn't be speculating about that shit if there were never rumors about a relationship. LOL!

I'm going off lyrics & document. You keep forgeting there is a legal document which i just posted

Boo Boo if thay is not enough proof for you idk what will be

It doesn't matter if she wants to be grown if somebody was singing lyrics like that to your 15 year old sister would you have it? if the guy was 10 year older i wouldn't not dig that at all.

Gunsnhalen said:

neonlights said:

Where's your PROOF to these claims? you have none but lyrics, I mean, seriously?

That entire album was sexual and Aaliyah mentioned in several interviews that she wanted to be 'grown' and didn't want to go the bubble gum pop route. Even her brother, Rashad mentioned the same in an interview after her death. So the lyrics doesn't prove anything. A song is just a song. He was the producer and writer. You guys wouldn't be speculating about that shit if there were never rumors about a relationship. LOL!

I'm going off lyrics & document. You keep forgeting there is a legal document which i just posted

Boo Boo if thay is not enough proof for you idk what will be

Lyrics? You can't be this simple-minded? Seriously?

neonlights said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I'm going off lyrics & document. You keep forgeting there is a legal document which i just posted

Boo Boo if thay is not enough proof for you idk what will be

Lyrics? You can't be this simple-minded? Seriously?

Neon... you seriously don't want to address the document do you?

Is it because the document proves they where married so you are acting like it doesn't exists?

HERE IT IS AGAIN

DEFEND THAT PLEASE

Gunsnhalen said:

It doesn't matter if she wants to be grown if somebody was singing lyrics like that to your 15 year old sister would you have it? if the guy was 10 year older i wouldn't not dig that at all.

You come off slow. What part of R. Kelly was the producer and songwriter of the album do you not understand? He was HIRED to produce and write the album. Whether he was singing to someone who was 15 wasn't the concern. It was about making her a star with hits. He did his job and Jive earned a 3x platinum plaque for that album.

Gunsnhalen said:

neonlights said:

Lyrics? You can't be this simple-minded? Seriously?

Neon... you seriously don't want to address the document do you?

Is it because the document proves they where married so you are acting like it doesn't exists?

HERE IT IS AGAIN

DEFEND THAT PLEASE

That doesn't prove anything to me. I could easily photoshop a 'certificate' and claim to be married to someone. But I'm sorry you believe everything you read...

Now back to you using lyrics as evidence....

neonlights said:

Gunsnhalen said:

It doesn't matter if she wants to be grown if somebody was singing lyrics like that to your 15 year old sister would you have it? if the guy was 10 year older i wouldn't not dig that at all.

You come off slow. What part of R. Kelly was the producer and songwriter of the album do you not understand? He was HIRED to produce and write the album. Whether he was singing to someone who was 15 wasn't the concern. It was about making her a star with hits. He did his job and Jive earned a 3x platinum plaque for that album.

You come off as a looney ass stan

I don't give 2 fucks what you think about me i don't know you boo. But you come off as a denial stan who can't address the document but everything else i have said.

Girl you gone