I'm actually done with the whole thing. U trying to make me out to be a MJ hater which i'm not. I'm just stating the truth which I dug out the Jimmy J. interview to prove. I'm sticking up for my girl. I've proven my point.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I'm actually done with the whole thing. U trying to make me out to be a MJ hater which i'm not. I'm just stating the truth which I dug out the Jimmy J. interview to prove. I'm sticking up for my girl. I've proven my point.

no, you haven't. not at all. all of your contradictions and half-truths and speculations are blatantly obvious and have been shown to be so. jimmy's statements don't prove anything. you're choosing to manipulate his words to suit your argument. he never said mj was jealous or trying to outshine janet. you're saying that.

you're sticking up for your girl, that's the only truthful statement about this whole episode that you've made.

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kibbles said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I'm actually done with the whole thing. U trying to make me out to be a MJ hater which i'm not. I'm just stating the truth which I dug out the Jimmy J. interview to prove. I'm sticking up for my girl. I've proven my point.

no, you haven't. not at all. all of your contradictions and half-truths and speculations are blatantly obvious and have been shown to be so. jimmy's statements don't prove anything. you're choosing to manipulate his words to suit your argument. he never said mj was jealous or trying to outshine janet. you're saying that.

you're sticking up for your girl, that's the only truthful statement about this whole episode that you've made.

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Co sign!!

Go kibbles and mjscarousel!!!!!!!! rep for Mike with the truth!!!!!!

As for the Oprah interview, it just continues to amaze me why some of the Jackson's do what they do. We KNOW they are aware of Oprah's comments as it relates to Michael (Randy and Taj confirmed that), so why choose to ignore it? why choose to be chummy with her? They can chat up with her all they want, their call, but to have that woman around MJ's children, pretending like she gives a damn is just disrespectful!

nursev said:

This damn thread again I say Fuck Oprah!

Hmm... I remember in one of Oprah's shows on ABC before she killed her ultra-successful talk show for her sinking ship of a network that she reviewed her interview of MJ and noted that she didn't want to end up like MJ... I think she meant with being in the constant spotlight and needing to be in it, along with all the negativity associated with that. Maybe she had a stroke of momentary realization with what he had to deal with. I don't know, and I don't care. Still, it seems to me that she is getting some of what she wanted to avoid...

purplethunder3121 said:

nursev said:

This damn thread again I say Fuck Oprah!

Hmm... I remember in one of Oprah's shows on ABC before she killed her ultra-successful talk show for her sinking ship of a network that she reviewed her interview of MJ and noted that she didn't want to end up like MJ... I think she meant with being in the constant spotlight and needing to be in it, along with all the negativity associated with that. Maybe she had a stroke of momentary realization with what he had to deal with. I don't know, and I don't care. Still, it seems to me that she is getting some of what she wanted to avoid...

Oprah is a very fake person. Her situation is totally different from Michaels. Michael was naive but sweet. Oprah doesnt give a fuck about anything or anybody but Oprah!

mjscarousal said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Please exclude my Janet out of this. She is not nuts & won't do anything for money boo boo...

I LOVE Janet but I dont respect her as much as I use to after Michael passed regarding her relationship with Michael.

When Michael passed she said alot of open aired remarks and false things about him interviews and she ALSO went on Oprah. She threw her own brother under the bus when he wasnt here to defend himself. She wasnt as close with Michael as she loves to portray. Now this coming from a BIG Janet fan and you know I love me some Janet. ALL of them are crazy for doing that to their own flesh and blood no wonder Michael didnt want to be bothered with them.

The ONLY Jackson that spoke out against the Oprah interviews was RANDY and guess who didnt participate on the Jackson Dynasty show? RANDY and guess who didnt participate on the Jackson Unity tour RANDY. Randy did some shady things in the past as well but at least after Michaels passing he spoke up for him and didnt go along with the family who jus threw him under the bus and was after his money and that includes Janet boo boo.

Wow,I didn't know this.Janet always seemed so loyal to Michael.It was LaToya who turned on him in the early 90s,when he was going through the first set of accusations.

SoulAlive said:

mjscarousal said:

I LOVE Janet but I dont respect her as much as I use to after Michael passed regarding her relationship with Michael.

When Michael passed she said alot of open aired remarks and false things about him interviews and she ALSO went on Oprah. She threw her own brother under the bus when he wasnt here to defend himself. She wasnt as close with Michael as she loves to portray. Now this coming from a BIG Janet fan and you know I love me some Janet. ALL of them are crazy for doing that to their own flesh and blood no wonder Michael didnt want to be bothered with them.

The ONLY Jackson that spoke out against the Oprah interviews was RANDY and guess who didnt participate on the Jackson Dynasty show? RANDY and guess who didnt participate on the Jackson Unity tour RANDY. Randy did some shady things in the past as well but at least after Michaels passing he spoke up for him and didnt go along with the family who jus threw him under the bus and was after his money and that includes Janet boo boo.

Wow,I didn't know this.Janet always seemed so loyal to Michael.It was LaToya who turned on him in the early 90s,when he was going through the first set of accusations.

Yea it really surprised me to. Go look at all her 2009 interviews where she talks about Michael. I would post some of them but dont want to completely change the thread. She said alot of misleading open end remarks and when Oprah said her bullshit Janet didnt speak out against it. Janet didnt know what the hell she was talking about...

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

Wow,I didn't know this.Janet always seemed so loyal to Michael.It was LaToya who turned on him in the early 90s,when he was going through the first set of accusations.

Yea it really surprised me to. Go look at all her 2009 interviews where she talks about Michael. I would post some of them but dont want to completely change the thread. She said alot of misleading open end remarks and when Oprah said her bullshit Janet didnt speak out against it. Janet didnt know what the hell she was talking about...

You guys really think this?

I thought she was just saying what she knew.

Obviously, she knew little, as she rarely saw Michael. But she DID NOT throw him under the bus. She was one of the FEW who tried to help him when he was still alive!

This is further suported by her reaction to the trial, I think she was highly surprised with what was happening - the condition that Michael was in.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea it really surprised me to. Go look at all her 2009 interviews where she talks about Michael. I would post some of them but dont want to completely change the thread. She said alot of misleading open end remarks and when Oprah said her bullshit Janet didnt speak out against it. Janet didnt know what the hell she was talking about...

You guys really think this?

I thought she was just saying what she knew.

Obviously, she knew little, as she rarely saw Michael. But she DID NOT throw him under the bus. She was one of the FEW who tried to help him when he was still alive!

This is further suported by her reaction to the trial, I think she was highly surprised with what was happening - the condition that Michael was in.

Janet implied that Michael had issues with prescription drugs and as a result that was how he died. She implied Michael was drug addict.

Prescription Drugs had NOTHING to do with how and why he died. She spoke as if she was close with Michael when it was clear she wasnt. She should have made it clear that she was only speaking of what she thought was going on instead of labeling things that she thought went on with Michael which was not true.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

You guys really think this?

I thought she was just saying what she knew.

Obviously, she knew little, as she rarely saw Michael. But she DID NOT throw him under the bus. She was one of the FEW who tried to help him when he was still alive!

This is further suported by her reaction to the trial, I think she was highly surprised with what was happening - the condition that Michael was in.

Janet implied that Michael had issues with prescription drugs and as a result that was how he died. She implied Michael was drug addict.

Prescription Drugs had NOTHING to do with how and why he died. She spoke as if she was close with Michael when it was clear she wasnt. She should have made it clear that she was only speaking of what she thought was going on instead of labeling things that she thought went on with Michael which was not true.

Perhaps I should have read the thread before commenting.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

mjscarousal said:

Ive always thought she was semi jealous of Michael's talent and success likewise with the rest of the siblings. For her to even make a comment like that is rather immature and ridiclous but like you said everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Oh please!!! Janet didn't even want to sing in the first place her father forced her to. Then years later when her singing career hit the stratosphere & rivals her brothers then she's accused of being jealous of him? Give me a break & miss me with all of that.

MJ was the one that secretly went into the studio to redo his first already recorded vocals for "Scream". To me that sounds more like jealousy from his point then hers. Remember that was during the time when Janet surpassed him in having 7 top 5 singles from one album. Poor Mj couldn't handle the competition. Janet took time out her busy schedule to do the duet with him during a very controversial period in MJ's life. So tired of Mj fans downplaying Janet's success.

Also I've been cussed out on here many times. Doesn't really bother me boo boo. U can try if U want hater...

I actually agree with this post.

Some of you say that Michael doesn't need to try to out sing janet (which I agree), but re-recording vocals would actually suggest otherwise TBH.

As far as jealousy is concerned, I don't think either were jealous of eachother. Competitive, yes. Jealous, no!

And remember this, Janet DIDN'T have to support her brother. How many others would do the same, at the peak of their career - support their brother, who just paid off $20 million to a child who had accused him of molestation, whether they were Innoncent or guilty. Coz for sure, Latoya didn't.

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mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

You guys really think this?

I thought she was just saying what she knew.

Obviously, she knew little, as she rarely saw Michael. But she DID NOT throw him under the bus. She was one of the FEW who tried to help him when he was still alive!

This is further suported by her reaction to the trial, I think she was highly surprised with what was happening - the condition that Michael was in.

Janet implied that Michael had issues with prescription drugs and as a result that was how he died. She implied Michael was drug addict.

Prescription Drugs had NOTHING to do with how and why he died. She spoke as if she was close with Michael when it was clear she wasnt. She should have made it clear that she was only speaking of what she thought was going on instead of labeling things that she thought went on with Michael which was not true.

Enormous amounts of prescription drugs certainly did not help his health, IMO. It appears that MJ turned his back on his own family thus putting trust in so called friends and enablers who did not have his best interest, IMO.

kibbles said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Jimmy Jam on Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson recording “Scream”

morganr1214:

Jimmy Jam: “I remember going into the studio and Michael just blew it away first take just killed it with all the anger and rage. She (Janet) was like ’ I’m not following that nobody is following Michael Jackson after that’.”
Narration: “Feeling the pressure Janet opted to record her vocals in a different studio, on a different day. She laid down a vocal that more than matched her brother’s performance”
Jimmy Jam: “Michael goes ‘I want to come to Minneapolis and redo my vocal’. I was like Michael your vocals are perfect man. He’s like ‘No,no I got to redo them Janet sounds really good and I have to redo my vocal’. I was like okay fine. That’s competition, I don’t know if it’s healthy competition.”

I am not in the least downplaying Mj's vocals. i actually learned how to sing listening to him sing. But i was just pointing out that MJ wanted to outshine Janet on that track "Scream" this is proof. On the final mix Janet's voice is barely audible & Janet was pissed & understandably. She was not told until afterwards that Mj redid he vocals..To me that is sneaky & taking it a little too far to be your own sister...

janet also shows her own competitiveness here, too. she didn't even want to be in the studio with him to record her vocals, so what does that say about her?

I don't really understand how you could interpret that in a negative way?

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Now you know thats a cruck of bullshit OR YOU JUST DONT KNOW HOW TO READ

Murray had given him other anethetic drugs on top of Propofol which he was overdosed on.. but there were NO Prescription drugs found in his system

And no Michael was not my relative but that isnt going to stop me from giving my opinion. Janet claimed to have been close to Michael when she really wasnt and Michael is even recorded saying this on tape that he wasnt close to Janet.

I cant specifically recall the open end remarks she made but they mostly centered around the prescription drug use and yes I do find issue with someone bringing a issue up that had NOTHING to do with the cause of death whether its a sister or not it. Its never right to inaccurately present something to your own interpretation and just because your a sister doesnt suddenly make it okay. Janet was wrong to say alot of things she did especially since her brother couldnt defend himself. Even when Oprah interviewed her and Tyler Perry she even allowed Tyler Perry to speak on her behalf regarding Michael!! Like she cant speak on her own flesh and blood.

Alot of what she said was very media driven and she clearly showed that she didnt not know what was really going on with him leading up to his tour, on top of other things..she implied that Michael was a drug addict and that he died of presciption drugs when that wasnt the cause of his death.

And I would think since she was Michaels sister that she would take the time to read the austopy instead of formulating her own opinion on little information she thinks she knows about her brother. She seemed to blame Michael for his own death and didnt once acknowledge Conrad Murry and his role in how he died which was the primarily reason why he died.

Propofol is a anethetic, you cant get addicted to it, it puts you to sleep. A person isnt conscious of it or ther surroundings. Im tired of all this bullshit and the lies. Im not stating that Michael was perfect but Janet definitly could have defended her brother more instead of throwing him under the bus like she did with bullshit.

I never insisted that Janet couldnt be susccessful or etc. But you made that statement like Janet is a great strong vocal singer when she isnt. Even without trying Michael would still be superior to Janet when it comes to vocals which makes me hard to believe that bullshit.

Im not going to continue to go back and forth with you because I might end up cussing you out.. think delusionally what you want to think or just roll your eyes thats what your good at.

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That's not true. I've heard her say, on many occasions, that Murray was at fault as he was the one adminstrating the drugs.

Im not specifically stating that is what she said but that was what she implied. In ALL the interviews regarding Michaels death, she spends most of the time talking about prescription drug use and interventions that change up in every interview.

I love Janet if I thought she was being accurate and fair I wouldnt be criticising her for the way she handle the interviews.

Azz said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Oh please!!! Janet didn't even want to sing in the first place her father forced her to. Then years later when her singing career hit the stratosphere & rivals her brothers then she's accused of being jealous of him? Give me a break & miss me with all of that.

MJ was the one that secretly went into the studio to redo his first already recorded vocals for "Scream". To me that sounds more like jealousy from his point then hers. Remember that was during the time when Janet surpassed him in having 7 top 5 singles from one album. Poor Mj couldn't handle the competition. Janet took time out her busy schedule to do the duet with him during a very controversial period in MJ's life. So tired of Mj fans downplaying Janet's success.

Also I've been cussed out on here many times. Doesn't really bother me boo boo. U can try if U want hater...

I actually agree with this post.

Some of you say that Michael doesn't need to try to out sing janet (which I agree), but re-recording vocals would actually suggest otherwise TBH.

As far as jealousy is concerned, I don't think either were jealous of eachother. Competitive, yes. Jealous, no!

And remember this, Janet DIDN'T have to support her brother. How many others would do the same, at the peak of their career - support their brother, who just paid off $20 million to a child who had accused him of molestation, whether they were Innoncent or guilty. Coz for sure, Latoya didn't.

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Re-record vocals doesnt suggest that he was trying to outsing her and its clear that Jimmys OPINION is up for his OWN interpretation of what HE thought. There is no evidence that shows that Michael wanted to sing better than Janet

Michael was known for being a perfectionist. What I got from Jimmys comments was that Michael admire Janets delivery and thought he should improve his vocals maybe but not to necessarily out sing her as Kool was implying. Jimmy Jam from HIS opinion made it seem as that was what Michael was doing when that isnt true.

Janet did defend Michael during that period but it is unfair how she gave misleading remarks that she was unsure about herslef when her brother was not here to defend himself.

She does have a right as a sister to express what she thought was going on with her brother but she should have made those comments more clearer in KNOWING that anything said about him could be manipulated and interpreted differently. She could have been more assertive instead of bringing up what SHE thought went on with him and how he ultimately ended up passing away. She insisted that Prescription drugs was how he passed as well and played a major role in it. She hardly ever blamed Murray and I looked at ALL her interviews since Michael passing. She only mentions Murray when THE INTERVIEWER brings him up but besides that shes insisting her brother was a drug addict and going along with media reports instead of doing more research of the cause of death.

PrettyMan72 said:

mjscarousal said:

Janet implied that Michael had issues with prescription drugs and as a result that was how he died. She implied Michael was drug addict.

Prescription Drugs had NOTHING to do with how and why he died. She spoke as if she was close with Michael when it was clear she wasnt. She should have made it clear that she was only speaking of what she thought was going on instead of labeling things that she thought went on with Michael which was not true.

Enormous amounts of prescription drugs certainly did not help his health, IMO. It appears that MJ turned his back on his own family thus putting trust in so called friends and enablers who did not have his best interest, IMO.

I would to from a family who insists I was a drug addict, who are not close themself, who exploits my children and me after death.

The Jacksons are a mess. They saw Michael as a money machine and used him. Even in death they still after his money.

mjscarousal said:

TD3 said:

I will agree Oprah's Next Chapter is a ploy in trying to save a network I don't think will get out of its talespin. What beef was there to squash? If they didn't like each other, so be it. Does Ms. Whinfrey go around running after everyone who doesn't like her? Is he someone you'd give a rats ass if he didn't like you? I was never a fan of her show because most of the topics she covered didn't interest me, though she had her moments. As far as her opinions on Black people using the word Nigger/Nigga she was spot on. What she said about Michael... truth hurts.

As far as Michael's children giving interviews? I think those children should be left alone; if the want to speak to the media about life with their father maybe it would be wise to wait until they're adults. (IMHO)

Oprah is a big, greed driven fake uncle tom bitch who only cares about ratings and herself...

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

I actually agree with this post.

Some of you say that Michael doesn't need to try to out sing janet (which I agree), but re-recording vocals would actually suggest otherwise TBH.

As far as jealousy is concerned, I don't think either were jealous of eachother. Competitive, yes. Jealous, no!

And remember this, Janet DIDN'T have to support her brother. How many others would do the same, at the peak of their career - support their brother, who just paid off $20 million to a child who had accused him of molestation, whether they were Innoncent or guilty. Coz for sure, Latoya didn't.

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Re-record vocals doesnt suggest that he was trying to outsing her and its clear that Jimmys OPINION is up for his OWN interpretation of what HE thought. There is no evidence that shows that Michael wanted to sing better than Janet

Michael was known for being a perfectionist. What I got from Jimmys comments was that Michael admire Janets delivery and thought he should improve his vocals maybe but not to necessarily out sing her as Kool was implying. Jimmy Jam from HIS opinion made it seem as that was what Michael was doing when that isnt true.

Janet did defend Michael during that period but it is unfair how she gave misleading remarks that she was unsure about herslef when her brother was not here to defend himself.

She does have a right as a sister to express what she thought was going on with her brother but she should have made those comments more clearer in KNOWING that anything said about him could be manipulated and interpreted differently. She could have been more assertive instead of bringing up what SHE thought went on with him and how he ultimately ended up passing away. She insisted that Prescription drugs was how he passed as well and played a major role in it. She hardly ever blamed Murray and I looked at ALL her interviews since Michael passing. She only mentions Murray when THE INTERVIEWER brings him up but besides that shes insisting her brother was a drug addict and going along with media reports instead of doing more research of the cause of death.

You are clearly more informed than me so I won't say much more. I don't think that's fair to say though

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mjscarousal said:

PrettyMan72 said:

Enormous amounts of prescription drugs certainly did not help his health, IMO. It appears that MJ turned his back on his own family thus putting trust in so called friends and enablers who did not have his best interest, IMO.

I would to from a family who insists I was a drug addict, who are not close themself, who exploits my children and me after death.

The Jacksons are a mess. They saw Michael as a money machine and used him. Even in death they still after his money.

Agreed

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Re-record vocals doesnt suggest that he was trying to outsing her and its clear that Jimmys OPINION is up for his OWN interpretation of what HE thought. There is no evidence that shows that Michael wanted to sing better than Janet

Michael was known for being a perfectionist. What I got from Jimmys comments was that Michael admire Janets delivery and thought he should improve his vocals maybe but not to necessarily out sing her as Kool was implying. Jimmy Jam from HIS opinion made it seem as that was what Michael was doing when that isnt true.

Janet did defend Michael during that period but it is unfair how she gave misleading remarks that she was unsure about herslef when her brother was not here to defend himself.

She does have a right as a sister to express what she thought was going on with her brother but she should have made those comments more clearer in KNOWING that anything said about him could be manipulated and interpreted differently. She could have been more assertive instead of bringing up what SHE thought went on with him and how he ultimately ended up passing away. She insisted that Prescription drugs was how he passed as well and played a major role in it. She hardly ever blamed Murray and I looked at ALL her interviews since Michael passing. She only mentions Murray when THE INTERVIEWER brings him up but besides that shes insisting her brother was a drug addict and going along with media reports instead of doing more research of the cause of death.

You are clearly more informed than me so I won't say much more. I don't think that's fair to say though

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Nevermind Disregard last post..I will just say you have to watch all the interviews to understand where Im coming from.

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Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Re-record vocals doesnt suggest that he was trying to outsing her and its clear that Jimmys OPINION is up for his OWN interpretation of what HE thought. There is no evidence that shows that Michael wanted to sing better than Janet

Michael was known for being a perfectionist. What I got from Jimmys comments was that Michael admire Janets delivery and thought he should improve his vocals maybe but not to necessarily out sing her as Kool was implying. Jimmy Jam from HIS opinion made it seem as that was what Michael was doing when that isnt true.

Janet did defend Michael during that period but it is unfair how she gave misleading remarks that she was unsure about herslef when her brother was not here to defend himself.

She does have a right as a sister to express what she thought was going on with her brother but she should have made those comments more clearer in KNOWING that anything said about him could be manipulated and interpreted differently. She could have been more assertive instead of bringing up what SHE thought went on with him and how he ultimately ended up passing away. She insisted that Prescription drugs was how he passed as well and played a major role in it. She hardly ever blamed Murray and I looked at ALL her interviews since Michael passing. She only mentions Murray when THE INTERVIEWER brings him up but besides that shes insisting her brother was a drug addict and going along with media reports instead of doing more research of the cause of death.

You are clearly more informed than me so I won't say much more. I don't think that's fair to say though

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Thats fine, everyone has their opinion

I just think Janet conducted her interviews leaving the public open to interpret it how they want to but her insisting that Michael was taking prescription drugs didnt help his image or Murrays guilt.

She didnt know if Michael was taking prescriptions drugs, so why would she say it just because that was what she thought?

She even states in one or two interviews that she didnt know what was going on with him, so how could she know that he was still taking prescription drugs?

To be honest, no one knows if Michael was taking prescrition drugs or not, we can only go on what was found in his body and there was NONE. So more than likely he was not taking any leading up to his death. He overdosed on Propofol and he was given other drugs by Murray but they were non prescription. The drugs that Michael was given by Murray were other anestheia medications and you can not get addicted to anesthesia being your unconscious of feeling, surrounds etc and it just puts you to sleep.

That was just my only issue with alot of the interviews Janet conducted after Michael passed. I felt she could have spent more time talking about Murray and seeking justice for her brother but instead she spent more time in painting her brother to be a helpless drug addict but she sure was quick to tell interviewers to not ask any more questions about him when it came to promoting her tour and book

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