i was 7 when invincible came out, and when your seven... you cant really critic an album lol.

as i got older and grew as a musical artist as well as a listener of music, i fell in love with invincible, i would say it and dangerous are tied for second right behind HIStory..

although its one of my favorites..i wouldnt say invincible was his best album,(not talking about commercialy, i know sony screwed him over on that) but i feel like invincible could have been Michael's absolute masterpiece.. Greater than OTW,Thriller,Bad,Dang.,or HIStory..

there are some absolutly beautiful tracks on invincible, but i feel (my opinion) the first 3 songs,unbreakable,heartbreaker,invincible shouldnt have been on the album.. not to say those arent good songs, because they are.. but i just dont feel like they "fit".. i feel that if the tracklist was something like this (note: im only using outtakes we have heard, i am aware that invincible has around 20-25 outtakes..but im only using ones we have actually heard) (not necissarily this order) invincible would have been one of Michaels greatest.

A place with no name

Beautiful Girl

We've had enough

One More Chance

Another Day

Speechless

Butterflies

You Rock my World

Break of Dawn

Dont Walk Away

Cry

Whatever Happens

Heaven can Wait

Privacy

Xscape

Beautiful Girl

alot of those songs are very mellow, but there are also a few upbeat tracks.. this would have been great..

but to answer your question, yes i love invincible.. but to me the album HIStory is the one that took a whole nother meaning to me after michael passed

motownlover said:

The discussion kinda dried up so ill try to start something , who started to apreciate invincible more now mike is dead and after the release of 'michael ?

Dug the album when it was released, still dig it now.

My most played album of his by far.

dm3857 said:

...i wouldnt say invincible was his best album,(not talking about commercialy, i know sony screwed him over on that)...

No shit they did. How much better the reception would have been had Unbreakable, Break Of Dawn, Speechlees, 2000 Watts and Whatever Happens been issued as singles.

silverchild said:

I don't, however, understand why critics and public dismissed it as a 'failure' though...

Because it was a Michael Jackson album. Everything post Thriller was considered a failure.

Message for US fans trying to get hold on a special edition Bad 25 Pepsi can

[Edited 6/19/12 6:49am]

Keep your fingers crossed for me tomorrow, guys, cause I¨ll be having that MJ lecture at our school at last. It has been postponed many times and tomorrow is the day.

I am really pleased with my presentation so I hope that there are chances that it will touch at least some of the kids.

It will be two lessons (90 minutes). I will let you know how it went.

NaughtyKitty said:

Message for US fans trying to get hold on a special edition Bad 25 Pepsi can

From the Michael Jackson Estate : We are aware that fans in the U.S. have been having some difficulty locating the special edition Bad 25 Pepsi Cans. Pepsi would like you to know that Wal-mart is the retailer that has the most widespread distribution in the U.S., but as retailers vary by market, distribution may be uneven.

Pepsi invites you to call their consumer hotline for more information as the staff is equipped with information about the Pepsi cans. The hotline number is: 1-800-433-2652

http://www.legendarymicha...nl/?p=8230

[Edited 6/19/12 6:49am]

THANKSSSSSSSS GIRL.. I NEED TO GET THESE CANS!!! I CANT FIND THEM NO WHERE

dag said:

Keep your fingers crossed for me tomorrow, guys, cause I¨ll be having that MJ lecture at our school at last. It has been postponed many times and tomorrow is the day.

I am really pleased with my presentation so I hope that there are chances that it will touch at least some of the kids.

It will be two lessons (90 minutes). I will let you know how it went.

Best wishes.

Justin Bieber Is Perfect For Michael Jackson Duet, Says Rodney “Darkchild” Jerkins

Nicole Sia

June 19th, 2012 // 3 Comments

Justin Bieber‘s new studio album Believe packs a ton of star power in its A-list collaborations, which include Nicki Minaj, Drake and Ludacris.

But producer Rodney “Darkchild” Jerkins thinks the Biebs has the vocal chops to aspire even higher in his musical matchups — to a level of pop royalty. ”I think if Michael [Jackson] was alive I would have been able to make a meeting happen and actually get them to do something together,” the hitmaker says in the Believe ZinePak, on sale now at Wal-Mart.

Darkchild, who co-wrote and co-produced several songs on Jackson’s last studio album Invincible, including the hit “You Rock My World”, has writing and production credits on Believe‘s “As Long As You Love Me” and“Die In Your Arms”. After seeing him at work in the studio, Jerkins is convinced the 18-year-old has the artistry and work ethic worthy of the King of Pop.

“There are plenty of moments when he would nail the notes and I would be like, ‘Wow’,” he says. ”To me he is this generation’s new great.”

Justin and his mentor Scooter Braun have both cited Michael Jackson as an influence, and shades of the legend-gone-too-soon can be seen in the imagery in Justin’s “Boyfriend” video — that striking silhouette in front of a moon — and in the harmonies on “Die In Your Arms” that recall the Jackson 5.

Given the sudden viability of collaboration by way of holographic resurrection (wassup, Tupac?), could a JB-MJ song or live performance be on the way? Posthumous duets have been pulled off before: Natalie Colefamously sang with her dad, Nat King Cole, on 1991′s “Unforgettable”, and Jackson’s 2001 Invincible opener “Unbreakable” featured Notorious B.I.G. — four years after his death. And let’s not forget about what happened at Coachella this year.

Though no official announcement has been made, maybe a certain surprise guest is what Justin was alluding to when he said his sold-out North American tour would be “as epic as ever”.

Would you be excited to see a Justin Bieber/Michael Jackson duet? Tell us in the comments below

http://idolator.com/66348...ld-jerkins

[Edited 6/19/12 10:49am]

NaughtyKitty said:

June 19, 2012

'Michael Jackson would have definitely worked with Justin Bieber', producer claims

Rodney 'Darkchild' Jenkins says the King Of Pop and Canadian sensation would have definitely collaborated

Producer Rodney 'Darkchild' Jenkins has said he firmly believes that Michael Jackson would have contributed to Justin Bieber's new album 'Believe' had he been alive to do so.

Jenkins, who worked on Jackson's 2001 album 'Invincible' and also on 'Believe', says that he believes a collaboration would definitely have happened.


Speaking to Evolution: The Road To Believe, a Justin Bieber magazine released with the album, Jerkins said: "I think if Michael Jackson was alive I would have been able to make a meeting happen and actually get them to do something together."

http://www.nme.com/news/j...eber/64406

i would like to believe (no pun intended) that isnt true.. if michael were still living today, He would have probably toured This is it worldwide, so he would have just been getting off of tour, he was also working on a new album, and a new classical music album... if the this is it concerts would have happened, michael would have been on his high horse, the shows would have been soooo sucsessful and so would the album (judging from best of joy) the classical music album would have done great as far as the fan community.. so i HIGHLY doubt with all of this going on, he would work on a ethnic generic computure gereated pop album done by a 17 year old... sorry, im not buying into that.

dag said:

Keep your fingers crossed for me tomorrow, guys, cause I¨ll be having that MJ lecture at our school at last. It has been postponed many times and tomorrow is the day.

I am really pleased with my presentation so I hope that there are chances that it will touch at least some of the kids.

It will be two lessons (90 minutes). I will let you know how it went.

I'm sure you'll do great !! Good luck and let us know how it went, you're awesome

dm3857 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

June 19, 2012

'Michael Jackson would have definitely worked with Justin Bieber', producer claims

Rodney 'Darkchild' Jenkins says the King Of Pop and Canadian sensation would have definitely collaborated

Producer Rodney 'Darkchild' Jenkins has said he firmly believes that Michael Jackson would have contributed to Justin Bieber's new album 'Believe' had he been alive to do so.

Jenkins, who worked on Jackson's 2001 album 'Invincible' and also on 'Believe', says that he believes a collaboration would definitely have happened.


Speaking to Evolution: The Road To Believe, a Justin Bieber magazine released with the album, Jerkins said: "I think if Michael Jackson was alive I would have been able to make a meeting happen and actually get them to do something together."

http://www.nme.com/news/j...eber/64406

i would like to believe (no pun intended) that isnt true.. if michael were still living today, He would have probably toured This is it worldwide, so he would have just been getting off of tour, he was also working on a new album, and a new classical music album... if the this is it concerts would have happened, michael would have been on his high horse, the shows would have been soooo sucsessful and so would the album (judging from best of joy) the classical music album would have done great as far as the fan community.. so i HIGHLY doubt with all of this going on, he would work on a ethnic generic computure gereated pop album done by a 17 year old... sorry, im not buying into that.

Totally agree. Also he never showed any interest in Bieber and lets all remember Michael knew what was gonna be the "next hot thing" before any of us did, because he was involved in the music industry (if Usher and Justin Timberlake both wanted him, he def knew who Bieber was, also his single was released in march or april of 09) . He showed interest in Lady Gaga because of her theatrical side and work with RedOne, but I havent heard anything of Michael mentioning or talking about Bieber. Like you mentioned dm3857, he was heading for a different direction. I wish we could hear the classical album or at least some ideas for it

Cloudbuster said:

dm3857 said:

...i wouldnt say invincible was his best album,(not talking about commercialy, i know sony screwed him over on that)...

No shit they did. How much better the reception would have been had Unbreakable, Break Of Dawn, Speechlees, 2000 Watts and Whatever Happens been issued as singles.

i agree, i would have released Speechless, Break of Dawn, One More Chance(if it was on the album),Unbreakable,and Whatever Happens as singles

GoldDolphin said:

dag said:

Keep your fingers crossed for me tomorrow, guys, cause I¨ll be having that MJ lecture at our school at last. It has been postponed many times and tomorrow is the day.

I am really pleased with my presentation so I hope that there are chances that it will touch at least some of the kids.

It will be two lessons (90 minutes). I will let you know how it went.

I'm sure you'll do great !! Good luck and let us know how it went, you're awesome

Thanks. I hope I'll do good. I thought I'd be a nervous wreck the day before but I am calm. I hope that's a good thing.

NaughtyKitty said:

Justin Bieber Is Perfect For Michael Jackson Duet, Says Rodney “Darkchild” Jerkins

Nicole Sia

June 19th, 2012 // 3 Comments

Justin Bieber‘s new studio album Believe packs a ton of star power in its A-list collaborations, which include Nicki Minaj, Drake and Ludacris.

But producer Rodney “Darkchild” Jerkins thinks the Biebs has the vocal chops to aspire even higher in his musical matchups — to a level of pop royalty. ”I think if Michael [Jackson] was alive I would have been able to make a meeting happen and actually get them to do something together,” the hitmaker says in the Believe ZinePak, on sale now at Wal-Mart.

Darkchild, who co-wrote and co-produced several songs on Jackson’s last studio album Invincible, including the hit “You Rock My World”, has writing and production credits on Believe‘s “As Long As You Love Me” and“Die In Your Arms”. After seeing him at work in the studio, Jerkins is convinced the 18-year-old has the artistry and work ethic worthy of the King of Pop.

“There are plenty of moments when he would nail the notes and I would be like, ‘Wow’,” he says. ”To me he is this generation’s new great.”

Justin and his mentor Scooter Braun have both cited Michael Jackson as an influence, and shades of the legend-gone-too-soon can be seen in the imagery in Justin’s “Boyfriend” video — that striking silhouette in front of a moon — and in the harmonies on “Die In Your Arms” that recall the Jackson 5.

Given the sudden viability of collaboration by way of holographic resurrection (wassup, Tupac?), could a JB-MJ song or live performance be on the way? Posthumous duets have been pulled off before: Natalie Colefamously sang with her dad, Nat King Cole, on 1991′s “Unforgettable”, and Jackson’s 2001 Invincible opener “Unbreakable” featured Notorious B.I.G. — four years after his death. And let’s not forget about what happened at Coachella this year.

Though no official announcement has been made, maybe a certain surprise guest is what Justin was alluding to when he said his sold-out North American tour would be “as epic as ever”.

Would you be excited to see a Justin Bieber/Michael Jackson duet? Tell us in the comments below

http://idolator.com/66348...ld-jerkins

[Edited 6/19/12 10:49am]

Just complete assumption on Jerkins part. Not even newsworthy, IMO. And even if MJ were alive today, a duet would make no sense.

Can people stop name dropping and speaking for Mike! Like DAMN! Don't involve Mike just to hype your shit.

Asymphony5 said:

Can people stop name dropping and speaking for Mike! Like DAMN! Don't involve Mike just to hype your shit.

THANK YOU! its getting to the point where it is rediculous, and disrespectful.. like michael said "you will do anything for money" but am i the only one who feels that by throwing michaels name around.."this person is the next MJ" "MJ would have loved to work with you" "you are very similar to MJ" etc.. is almost degrading! as Michael Jackson is the greatest artist who has ever lived, comparing everyone to mj is not respectful.. at all.

i love how all these artist are so "inspired" by michael.. when they dont even take his advice "be an innovator" "discover new things" "dont be just another can on the assembly line" but i guess they all rather be imitators rather than artist..

GoldDolphin said:

dm3857 said:

i would like to believe (no pun intended) that isnt true.. if michael were still living today, He would have probably toured This is it worldwide, so he would have just been getting off of tour, he was also working on a new album, and a new classical music album... if the this is it concerts would have happened, michael would have been on his high horse, the shows would have been soooo sucsessful and so would the album (judging from best of joy) the classical music album would have done great as far as the fan community.. so i HIGHLY doubt with all of this going on, he would work on a ethnic generic computure gereated pop album done by a 17 year old... sorry, im not buying into that.

Totally agree. Also he never showed any interest in Bieber and lets all remember Michael knew what was gonna be the "next hot thing" before any of us did, because he was involved in the music industry (if Usher and Justin Timberlake both wanted him, he def knew who Bieber was, also his single was released in march or april of 09) . He showed interest in Lady Gaga because of her theatrical side and work with RedOne, but I havent heard anything of Michael mentioning or talking about Bieber. Like you mentioned dm3857, he was heading for a different direction. I wish we could hear the classical album or at least some ideas for it

exactly!

and according to joe vogels book some demos for the classical album are finished (in demo form) as Michael had his son Prince go get a few demos for David Frank (composer) Frank says "it was pretty music" he also says "one piece had an irish quality about it.i suggested we use a celtic har. the pieces sound like pretty film score music, with very traditional harmony, and strong melodies" "one was like John Barry's 'out of africa' score"

so we could most certaintly hear michaels ideas for it, as they do exsist.. the ONLY issue about that, is fans will question authenticity of the tracks, which would be hard to do as there are no vocals..

Justin Bieber CAN'T sing.

Why are these people so deluded.

have any of you heard the song "Maria" from justins album.. it talks about how the kid isnt his son and that "its not his baby" he calls it "his billie jean"

its things like that that just really piss me off.. what people dont relize is trying to dance like michael,sing like michael, have songs like michael, dress like michael, etc.. is NOT going to make you "the next michael jackson" it makes you a impersonator..

dm3857 said:

Cloudbuster said:

No shit they did. How much better the reception would have been had Unbreakable, Break Of Dawn, Speechlees, 2000 Watts and Whatever Happens been issued as singles.

i agree, i would have released Speechless, Break of Dawn, One More Chance(if it was on the album),Unbreakable,and Whatever Happens as singles

And 2000 Watts.

Cloudbuster said:

dm3857 said:

i agree, i would have released Speechless, Break of Dawn, One More Chance(if it was on the album),Unbreakable,and Whatever Happens as singles

And 2000 Watts.

i think 2000 watts would have worked great too, as it was much different then anything michael had previously done

dm3857 said:

Cloudbuster said:

And 2000 Watts.

i think 2000 watts would have worked great too, as it was much different then anything michael had previously done

Definitely. Even if it hadn't been one of his biggest hits it would have gone down well in clubs and was ripe for a series of banging remixes.

Would have loved to have seen a video for it too, he would have danced his ass off!

dm3857 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Totally agree. Also he never showed any interest in Bieber and lets all remember Michael knew what was gonna be the "next hot thing" before any of us did, because he was involved in the music industry (if Usher and Justin Timberlake both wanted him, he def knew who Bieber was, also his single was released in march or april of 09) . He showed interest in Lady Gaga because of her theatrical side and work with RedOne, but I havent heard anything of Michael mentioning or talking about Bieber. Like you mentioned dm3857, he was heading for a different direction. I wish we could hear the classical album or at least some ideas for it

exactly!

and according to joe vogels book some demos for the classical album are finished (in demo form) as Michael had his son Prince go get a few demos for David Frank (composer) Frank says "it was pretty music" he also says "one piece had an irish quality about it.i suggested we use a celtic har. the pieces sound like pretty film score music, with very traditional harmony, and strong melodies" "one was like John Barry's 'out of africa' score"

so we could most certaintly hear michaels ideas for it, as they do exsist.. the ONLY issue about that, is fans will question authenticity of the tracks, which would be hard to do as there are no vocals..

Yes I heard that too, perhaps when Prince grows older and becomes a film director, he'll use the material his dad left behind (pure speculation but it would be pretty amazing!) and that way honor his fathers musical legacy. It's so sad that MJ is such an underrated musician, because he was involved in all his work yet there seems to be this negative feeling towards his work among certain fans and others...

dm3857 said:

have any of you heard the song "Maria" from justins album.. it talks about how the kid isnt his son and that "its not his baby" he calls it "his billie jean"

its things like that that just really piss me off.. what people dont relize is trying to dance like michael,sing like michael, have songs like michael, dress like michael, etc.. is NOT going to make you "the next michael jackson" it makes you a impersonator..

PREACH! This is what I tell EVERYONE and I've written so many posts about it on my tumblr and blogs lol... It's not being original or even what MJ would want. I mean Mike is the greatest, because he took inspiration from his idols and became greater (it's controversial to say that, but in my opinion he was). I remember reading that story about Bieber and I was pissed lol. I even think that story with that girl claiming it was Biebers child, might have been a fake story just to promote him. It just came out of nowhere and then 6 months later he was writing a song about it. Justin can stop dreaming of being the new MJ, because at the same age; Mike was a respected artist by his peers and been working for over a decade. But if you just compare Michael Jackon at 18 and Justin Bieber at 18, there's no comparison. Mike was working on the show with the Jacksons (showcasing his tremendous talent as a dancer!) , written & produced songs wtih his brothers (Blues Away & Style Of Life) and was innovating the dances of the 70s. There was raw talent and greatness back then too.

Pretty funny review of moonwalker which i actually got to play a few times as youngin

Anyone else play it?

http://mastersystem8.com/...ackson's)/

U can play it there without downloading it lol

Cloudbuster said:

silverchild said:

I don't, however, understand why critics and public dismissed it as a 'failure' though...

Because it was a Michael Jackson album. Everything post Thriller was considered a failure.

So true. I think that was the weakest counterbalance many critics utilized when it came to critiquing the post-Thriller albums. Unfortunately, Michael had fallen victim of that same mentality a little after Bad as well, especially since folks here in the US had fallen a little out of touch with him. I think the crossroads to Michael's career came in '92-'93. Those years changed Michael's career forever. It seemed like Dangerous was taking off so fast and it kind've died slowly, especially during the first molestation allegations. Sad case. Michael's popularity was still big, but his reputation was in a deep decline by that time. Yet as Michael's controversies continued, he was still very popular worldwide from a entertainer standpoint and still achieved tremendous musical success up until 1995-1996.

[Edited 6/20/12 6:37am]

OK, I just got home from work after that MJ lecture.

I have many mixed feelings about it and am not quite sure of what to make of it.

I was personally pleased with my own performance. I was happy with my presentation and I also managed to deliver it to my satisfaction.

Some kids seemed interested, others were for example laughing while we were watching Who's loving you and other performances by the Jackson 5. I don't know what was funny about them.

Some teenagers acted like they couldn't care less and had comments as to why they have to watch it and that they are not interested etc.

When we got to the video with Mike's kids talking about him, I put in even that bit where Paris talks about her passion for reading. When she said that her record is 27 books read in one week, a girl just said "she's lying."

When I got to the end, there were no questions from the kids which could be due to the fact that they didn't care or that I have truly covered everything and they don't know that much about him to have some questions. But my collegue (a music teacher) asked me "And what about Liz Taylor?" I said "well, they were best friends till his death". And she said "And is it true that he wanted to be white to look like her?" She asked me that after we had watched a video about vitiligo taken from Take Two. That proves just how deep the lies about him bleeching the skin are rooted in the public's mind. I was thinking "were you listening?" How do you reply to that in a non-insulting way?

I still am unable to tell how successful my speech was. I was glad there were some who seemed genuinly interested, but you just don't know what to make of some people's reaction. We had to admonish some kids for misbehaving.

I haven't spoken to my collegue to find out as to what she thought of it, but she seemed just a bit depressed because of the way some kids acted and she had to admonish them so that I could continue with my speech, so her attention was a bit scattered. I wonder what she's gonna tell me about it.

Anyways my speech consisted of these videos:

1. a mix of J5 performances including bits from Variety show

2 a video about making music (Mexican deposition, some footage from studio - Barry Gibb stuff etc.), Mike talking about his passion for drawing + some of his drawings

3. vitiligo + plastic surgery (Take Two footage mostly)

4. Chandlers phone take conversaiont about "destroying Mike" with a fan video to "With a Child's Heart which included intersting facts about Mike - Jehovah witnessed, his charigable work, his hobbies etc.)

5. Family video (bits from LMP's Oprah interview and the kid's interview + interview with Debbie Rowe - clips from Take Two)

6. Montage of Michael's videos and best performances (2 Bad, TWYMMF - Grammy performance, Smooth Criminal, Earth Song ending from the Brunei Royal concert, MITM from the Bucarest concert etc.)

Plus I had Power Point presentations about the trials and his death.

silverchild said:

Cloudbuster said:

Because it was a Michael Jackson album. Everything post Thriller was considered a failure.

So true. I think that was the weakest counterbalance many critics utilized when it came to critiquing the post-Thriller albums. Unfortunately, Michael had fallen victim of that same mentality a little after Bad as well, especially since folks here in the US had fallen a little out of touch with him. I think the crossroads to Michael's career came in '92-'93. Those years changed Michael's career forever. It seemed like Dangerous was taking off so fast and it kind've died slowly, especially during the first molestation allegations. Sad case. Michael's popularity was still big, but his reputation was in a deep decline by that time. Yet as Michael's controversies continued, he was still very popular worldwide from a entertainer standpoint and still achieved tremendous musical success up until 1995-1996.

[Edited 6/20/12 6:37am]

It's really sad what happened to Mike, but I honestly believe that they didn't want to give him as much credit because they knew how much power he could get. (I know it's controversial to say that, but I honestly believe that MJ changed the industry in profound ways and people knew that he was running the show and not the other way round like it usually is in the music industry) He was dangerous because here was an artist (a black artist at that) who had the most selling album of all time and had a bigger impact on the world than the Beatles (and he happened to own one of the largest music catalogue in the world). So of course they were gonna say everything sucked after Thriller, even though sonically Bad is still the main direction most sound engineers go after, it's Bruce Swediens masterpiece and Michaels baby ..

I agree that after the molestion case it changed dramatically in the US, however he got more known in the 90s around the world. The huge statues all over Europe during HIStory prooves that he was still huge and in Asia too. With the end of the Berlin wall and the communist era, countries like Russia & eastern europe were having a Jackson mania because his music had been "illegal" during the 80s (even tho bootlegs and Lps were sold there really expensive in the 80s.) The concerts in Germany & South korea in 1999 that sold out in minutes also show that his popularity hadnt declined contrary to the popular belief people had in the US. It's funny because most of the songs that I remember from Michael in the 90s are all from the HIStory & Blood On The Dancefloor era and I was a baby haha. But they had cans of the HIStory tour and a lot of other things to promote the tour here in europe. In a way I dont think Michael cared about the US after the media turned on him in the late 80s, that's why he was focusing on touring in Japan, South America and Europe instead. He'd lost interest because they were always negative towards him and after all he did to help the industry, he was blacklisted.