Azz said:

Timmy84 said:

That's why I told him go for what he knows. He gonna believe what he believes anyway.

I do not know any truth concerning this, but neither do you. We only know what we have heard from the media, the Jacksons (including Michael), and friends of the Jacksons.

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But this letter---came directly from the Jacksons themselves, not the media The media is reporting it, yes, but they are only quoting from the actual letter written, signed and released by the Jacksons themselves! I along with pretty much everyone else here knows that the media is biased and many times incorrect and unreliable. But when it comes to the things that the Jackson family has done, most of that is documented, either in court documents, statements from them or their spokespeople, TV appearances, written documents like this letter, etc. Believe me I've tried giving them the benefit of the doubt many times. But they keep pulling stunts like this...it seems very disingenuous. But I'm happy that their Unity Tour is doing well. If only they would just stick to touring and making music, business people they are NOT!

And besides, why should we take anything in this letter seriously when they couldnt even bother to get their own mother's name right!

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I agree, how you gonna call your tour "The Unity Tour" when Marlon and Jackie Jackson won't agree to your schemes? It's like they treat each other as business transactions. Instead of being a family, they go off like greedy scavengers wanting to get a piece of the pie. And to be frank, this is something MOST of the family has been trying to do since "Thriller" sold all those damn copies 30 years ago.

Drama is this family middle name. I stop keeping up two years ago. smh

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Oh come on! That is absurd, and yet, hilarious.

But I disgress. This is a complete mess. But remember that the Jacksons are human; and by this I mean, they may say things rashly, that they later regret. But because their lives are under a micro scope, it makes it far harder to retract or correct their mistakes.

Yea I say the same thing regarding the behavior of the family

Your right we shouldnt jump to conclusions BUT the Jacksons dont have a good track record of honesty and Michael wasnt an angel either well he is to me but I know he wasnt perfect but that still doesnt justify their off the wall behavior... Do you think some of their actions have been questionable or you dont see it?

I do see it. Of course I do. I am not an idiot, nor am I delusional, despite what some, aka Timmy, will try to concieve, as he has done to so many. His condition being that he has support from others against an individual, before he will begin to spin his web.

The only opinion I have stated so far is that the executives have handled the estate is some highly questionable ways and have treated Katherine and Michael badly.

Now, once again, the dealings of the estate will always be a matter of perception and opinion. But as for treating Ms Jackson or Michael badly, we can only know of this - as I stated earlier - from The Jacksons, close members of the Jacksons, the media, and from what we can gather via statements from the executives themselves.

The Jacksons state that the executives have treated Ms Jackson badly, they are the best source that can confirm this, despite their track history. I can also gather from that vile statement the executives are not as innocent as they want Michael Jackson fans to believe. In the same sentence, they accuse the Jacksons of being money orientated, stating that MJ specificaly left them out of the will, claiming they have done the impossible for Michael Jackson's own children, all out of the good of their heart. When in fact they are the only ones who have truly profiteered from Michael Jackson's death.

Therefore I am inclined to agree with Randy and Janet, who have always struck me as the most sincere of all the Jackson's family and friends. Two people who I am, admitedly fond of. So of course, yes, I'd rather side with them then two hungry excutives, who according to the family, Michael was no fan of.

But once again, I do not know the truth, nor do I know as much information as most people on this thread, as I stopped paying attention to such nonsense soon after Michael died.

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babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I agree, how you gonna call your tour "The Unity Tour" when Marlon and Jackie Jackson won't agree to your schemes? It's like they treat each other as business transactions. Instead of being a family, they go off like greedy scavengers wanting to get a piece of the pie. And to be frank, this is something MOST of the family has been trying to do since "Thriller" sold all those damn copies 30 years ago.

Drama is this family middle name. I stop keeping up two years ago. smh

Basically, all of them should stick to entertainment and leave all that other shit alone. It's getting tired.

NaughtyKitty said:

The letter also says that Michael told them in the months leading up to his death that he despised the pair and didn’t want them to have anything to do with his life or estate.

I saw that statement in their letter too and I am very skeptical of that claim as it does not make any sense. Considering that prior to his death John B. and John M. were no longer a part of his life, why then, a few months prior to his demise would he even be talking about them? Much less telling people that he didnt want them having anything to do with his life or estate. Its almost like they're trying to hint that Michael knew he was going to die--which we know he didnt so why on earth would he wanna talk about how much he hated John B. and John M. and that he didnt want them to have anything to do with his Estate and affairs and such? What would have caused him to even bring up their names in the first place? And if Michael supposedly hated them so much then can they explain how or why they were hired by Michael just days before his death?

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Yeah! I agree. That's total BS and doesn't make sense at all. And I'm shocked that Janet is going along with this. While I agree that it is indeed strange that there was "Los Angeles" written on that will and that no one ever bothered to correct it, I fail to see were the executors have failed to do their jobs.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Drama is this family middle name. I stop keeping up two years ago. smh

Basically, all of them should stick to entertainment and leave all that other shit alone. It's getting tired.

How are you going to force yourself into someone's will?

I hope that's not true about Janet being part of it...

NaughtyKitty said:

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson

i will defend my beloved family member with all i have , even if it means from other family members .

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i am going to clarify right now that what has been said about my grandmother is a rumor and nothing has happened , she is completely fine .

NaughtyKitty said:

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson

i will defend my beloved family member with all i have , even if it means from other family members .

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i am going to clarify right now that what has been said about my grandmother is a rumor and nothing has happened , she is completely fine .

Hasn't she got a movie set to be at?

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea I say the same thing regarding the behavior of the family

Your right we shouldnt jump to conclusions BUT the Jacksons dont have a good track record of honesty and Michael wasnt an angel either well he is to me but I know he wasnt perfect but that still doesnt justify their off the wall behavior... Do you think some of their actions have been questionable or you dont see it?

I do see it. Of course I do. I am not an idiot, nor am I delusional, despite what some, aka Timmy, will try to concieve, as he has done to so many. His condition being that he has support from others against an individual, before he will begin to spin his web.

The only opinion I have stated so far is that the executives have handled the estate is some highly questionable ways and have treated Katherine and Michael badly.

Now, once again, the dealings of the estate will always be a matter of perception and opinion. But as for treating Ms Jackson or Michael badly, are - as I stated earlier - The Jacksons, close members of the Jacksons, the media, and from what we can gather via statements from the executives themselves.

The Jacksons state that the executives have treated Ms Jackson badly, they are the best source that can confirm this, despite their track history. I can also gather from that vile statement the executives are not as innocent as they want Michael Jackson fans to believe. In the same sentence, they accuse the Jacksons of being money orientated, stating that MJ specificaly left them out of the will, claiming they have done the impossible for Michael Jackson's own children, all out of the good of their heart. When in fact they are the only ones who have truly profiteered from Michael Jackson's death.

Therefore I am inclined to agree with Randy and Janet, who have always stroke as the most sincere of all the Jackson's family and friends. Two people who I am, admitedly fond of. So ofcourse, yes, I'd rather side with them then two hungry excutives, who according to the family, Michael was no fan of.

But once again, I do not know the truth, nor do I know as much information as most people on this thread, as I stopped paying attention to such nonsense soon after Michael died.

Why are they the best source for confirmation? Just because their related to Michael doesnt mean all what they are saying is accurate. Putting all what they have done to the past and just judging their actiions it appears that The Jacksons care more about slandering Michael and exploiting his children for money because the Estate wont give them more. Katherine is well taken cared of as far as Im concerned. The other reasons why she wanted more money i.e. taking care of Jermaine and Randys children etc is not in the hands of the Estate. The money she receives is so she can take care of herself and if she chooses to give it to her family who doesnt want to take care of their own children and life than so be it. I dont think thats fair to Michael and it shows they are just trying to take advantage of him through death because he isnt here to defend himself.

I respect Randy for not participating in the Unity Tour because that clearly was geared to cash in on Michael as well as that dumb show. However, Im not to trusting of Janet and what she has to say because she appears to not know much herself which is why its bewildering that she would sign such a letter. She appears to just want the family to not bother her or her money and she lives the dirt on Michael. I also didnt like the way she threw him under the bus in those interviews which wasnt right. I felt if she was really for Michael she would have defended him more but she didnt.

We dont know on paper why Michael left his family out the will but to me it was made CLEAR why he didnt want nothing to do with them after he passed. The Jacksons ridiculous behavior I wouldnt want to have nothing to do with them either...

Paris is to young to know what happened with her father and the HISTORY of the behavior of the Jackson family. Its obvious she doesnt otherwise she wouldnt be doing a OPRAH interview EVERY SINGLE DAMN WEEK Its not her fault though... Jackson Family Aint no way in hell this would be going on if Michael was here and Katherine and the whole Jackson clan as well as Janet KNOWS this thats why she non aggressively insists Paris shouldnt go into acting because she know damn well Michael didnt want his children to be pushed into show business

Paris Jackson

@oubah76 maybe he should have respect for his mother.

This girl has some nerve.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

I do see it. Of course I do. I am not an idiot, nor am I delusional, despite what some, aka Timmy, will try to concieve, as he has done to so many. His condition being that he has support from others against an individual, before he will begin to spin his web.

The only opinion I have stated so far is that the executives have handled the estate is some highly questionable ways and have treated Katherine and Michael badly.

Now, once again, the dealings of the estate will always be a matter of perception and opinion. But as for treating Ms Jackson or Michael badly, are - as I stated earlier - The Jacksons, close members of the Jacksons, the media, and from what we can gather via statements from the executives themselves.

The Jacksons state that the executives have treated Ms Jackson badly, they are the best source that can confirm this, despite their track history. I can also gather from that vile statement the executives are not as innocent as they want Michael Jackson fans to believe. In the same sentence, they accuse the Jacksons of being money orientated, stating that MJ specificaly left them out of the will, claiming they have done the impossible for Michael Jackson's own children, all out of the good of their heart. When in fact they are the only ones who have truly profiteered from Michael Jackson's death.

Therefore I am inclined to agree with Randy and Janet, who have always stroke as the most sincere of all the Jackson's family and friends. Two people who I am, admitedly fond of. So ofcourse, yes, I'd rather side with them then two hungry excutives, who according to the family, Michael was no fan of.

But once again, I do not know the truth, nor do I know as much information as most people on this thread, as I stopped paying attention to such nonsense soon after Michael died.

Why are they the best source for confirmation? Just because their related to Michael doesnt mean all what they are saying is accurate. Putting all what they have done to the past and just judging their actiions it appears that The Jacksons care more about slandering Michael and exploiting his children for money because the Estate wont give them more. Katherine is well taken cared of as far as Im concerned. The other reasons why she wanted more money i.e. taking care of Jermaine and Randys children etc is not in the hands of the Estate. The money she receives is so she can take care of herself and if she chooses to give it to her family who doesnt want to take care of their own children and life than so be it. I dont think thats fair to Michael and it shows they are just trying to take advantage of him through death because he isnt here to defend himself.

I respect Randy for not participating in the Unity Tour because that clearly was geared to cash in on Michael as well as that dumb show. However, Im not to trusting of Janet and what she has to say because she appears to not know much herself which is why its bewildering that she would sign such a letter. She appears to just want the family to not bother her or her money and she lives the dirt on Michael. I also didnt like the way she threw him under the bus in those interviews which wasnt right. I felt if she was really for Michael she would have defended him more but she didnt.

We dont know on paper why Michael left his family out the will but to me it was made CLEAR why he didnt want nothing to do with them after he passed. The Jacksons ridiculous behavior I wouldnt want to have nothing to do with them either...

Paris is to young to know what happened with her father and the HISTORY of the behavior of the Jackson family. Its obvious she doesnt otherwise she wouldnt be doing a OPRAH interview EVERY SINGLE DAMN WEEK Its not her fault though... Jackson Family Aint no way in hell this would be going on if Michael was here and Katherine and the whole Jackson clan as well as Janet KNOWS this thats why she non aggressively insists Paris shouldnt go into acting because she know damn well Michael didnt want his children to be pushed into show business

What other source could I possibly have?

As for Paris, she is no longer too young to understand. She does things of her own accord, which she has made perfectly clear. Completely disrespectful.

[Edited 7/18/12 13:31pm]

NaughtyKitty said:

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson

i will defend my beloved family member with all i have , even if it means from other family members .

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i am going to clarify right now that what has been said about my grandmother is a rumor and nothing has happened , she is completely fine .

Wow, I don't worry about this girl anymore. She's tough.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Why are they the best source for confirmation? Just because their related to Michael doesnt mean all what they are saying is accurate. Putting all what they have done to the past and just judging their actiions it appears that The Jacksons care more about slandering Michael and exploiting his children for money because the Estate wont give them more. Katherine is well taken cared of as far as Im concerned. The other reasons why she wanted more money i.e. taking care of Jermaine and Randys children etc is not in the hands of the Estate. The money she receives is so she can take care of herself and if she chooses to give it to her family who doesnt want to take care of their own children and life than so be it. I dont think thats fair to Michael and it shows they are just trying to take advantage of him through death because he isnt here to defend himself.

I respect Randy for not participating in the Unity Tour because that clearly was geared to cash in on Michael as well as that dumb show. However, Im not to trusting of Janet and what she has to say because she appears to not know much herself which is why its bewildering that she would sign such a letter. She appears to just want the family to not bother her or her money and she lives the dirt on Michael. I also didnt like the way she threw him under the bus in those interviews which wasnt right. I felt if she was really for Michael she would have defended him more but she didnt.

We dont know on paper why Michael left his family out the will but to me it was made CLEAR why he didnt want nothing to do with them after he passed. The Jacksons ridiculous behavior I wouldnt want to have nothing to do with them either...

Paris is to young to know what happened with her father and the HISTORY of the behavior of the Jackson family. Its obvious she doesnt otherwise she wouldnt be doing a OPRAH interview EVERY SINGLE DAMN WEEK Its not her fault though... Jackson Family Aint no way in hell this would be going on if Michael was here and Katherine and the whole Jackson clan as well as Janet KNOWS this thats why she non aggressively insists Paris shouldnt go into acting because she know damn well Michael didnt want his children to be pushed into show business

What other source could I possibly have?

As for Paris, she is no longer too young to understand. She does things of her own accord, which she has made perfectly clear. Completely disrespectful.

[Edited 7/18/12 13:31pm]

Now I'm exactly starting to see this now. Before when Michael passed in 09 they were to young to understand, the Jacksons pushed them to do a bunch of interviews but now I think she is fully aware of why Michael wanted to protect them and shielded them away and she seems to not care about that and yes thats disrespectful as fuck

Everything that the Jackson family claims is NOT true and just because their Michaels family doesnt mean their a better source thats all Im saying. All of our claims are opinions which you stated earlier and I guess it all balls down to who you are more convinced by. I dont believe what The Family are saying because the Estate are doing a very good job and have been completely fair in following The Will to the T. They have done a MUCH better job in upkeeping Michaels legacy that his own family in my opinion. Doing a bunch of sensational interviews for money and gossip is not upkeeping a legacy. They also show to not respect Michaels wishes with how he raised his children and what he had outlined in the Estate thats my take on their actions, some might think otherwise....

Typical that MJ fans would be quick to praise Paris. And quick to condemn Janet and Randy.

They seem to thrive off seeing Michael's siblings do supposedly greedy things in his name, and spend an excessive amount of time focusing on it, and bregrudge them forever.

Whilst, Michael's own daughter is apparently doing the same thing. Ignoring her fathers wishes by acting in every damn film she is offered since his death, publicly disrespecting her uncle on Twitter, and appearing on every talk show she can get screen time on (Oprah & Ellen) questioning Michael's decisions as a parent (for example, wearing masks to protect her identity)

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dm3857 said:

i dont understand where a lot of you are getting this whole "michael never wanted his children in show buisness" "paris is not respecting her father" thats just not true. Michael has said that if his children wanted to be in show business, he would present them with the good and the bad, the pros and cons, and if they still wanted to do it he said go do it, "and do it better than i did" that is what michael said. Michael would help Paris with monologues and Improves, so to say she's ignoring her fathers wishes is not factual.. at all.

Oh yes.

I'm sure, regardless of whether Michael had died, Paris would have been offered jobs, appearing on talk shows like Oprah, and questioning his parenthood, all at the mere age of 14.

You guys are to much, it kills me.

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dm3857 said:

i dont understand where a lot of you are getting this whole "michael never wanted his children in show buisness" "paris is not respecting her father" thats just not true. Michael has said that if his children wanted to be in show business, he would present them with the good and the bad, the pros and cons, and if they still wanted to do it he said go do it, "and do it better than i did" that is what michael said. Michael would help Paris with monologues and Improves, so to say she's ignoring her fathers wishes is not factual.. at all.

That's also true. See at 10:56

And I just remembered he also expresses similar sentiments at the very end of Moonwalk - his autobiography. I know that while he was alive he was protecting them from the public, so it's hard to say whether he changed his mind about them going into showbusiness eventually. He surely hid them from the beginning so that they could experience a normal life for at least some time in their lives because he knew that once the public gets to know their faces, their whole lives will be different forever. I don't think he planned for them to wear masks forever and it's true we can't say at which point he'd be willing for them to get in the spotlight. Of course I am not happy to see the kids all over the place just because I see all the vultures around them trying to take advantage and I am not sure if they are old enought to do the right thing, but Paris has shown to have her own head so I hope that she will be making as few mistakes in the future as possible.

Azz said:

Typical that MJ fans would be quick to praise Paris. And quick to condemn Janet and Randy.

They seem to thrive off seeing Michael's siblings do supposedly greedy things in his name, and spend an excessive amount of time focusing on it, and bregrudge them forever.

[Edited 7/18/12 13:44pm]

My opinion is, don't like what the fans are saying, then shut them up. These greedy debates are done all over the net when it comes to rich dead folks and only when it comes to the Jackson family, do you not see any counter to the criticisms. I wonder why that is, if the fans are being so unfair.

Azz said:

Typical that MJ fans would be quick to praise Paris. And quick to condemn Janet and Randy.

They seem to thrive off seeing Michael's siblings do supposedly greedy things in his name, and spend an excessive amount of time focusing on it, and bregrudge them forever.

Whilst, Michael's own daughter is apparently doing the same thing. Ignoring her fathers wishes by acting in every damn film she is offered since his death, publicly disrespecting her uncle on Twitter, and appearing on every talk show she can get screen time on (Oprah & Ellen) questioning Michael's decisions as a parent (for example, wearing masks to protect her identity)

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you must not spend a lot of time in these mj threads.

most of the posters have posted at one time or another about their concerns over paris' so-called film career (though i'm not aware of anything that has been released with her in it).

they've expressed concern over her talk show appearances, esp. oprah's when it is clear oprah couldn't stand her father.

they've criticized her criticism of the masks. paris knows the reason that mj was doing that, to keep her and her brothers out of the spotlight, no matter what. although i doubt they would still be wearing masks at this point if mj were alive today, i know in my heart, this girl wouldn't be running her mouth on twitter, either. she's being really disrespectful to her father's memory.

however, her behavior is directly attributable to katherine's laxity in raising mj3, as well as her own desire to realize profit from the interest in paris and her brothers. if you were truly interested in enlightening yourself, you would look up the contract involving katherine, mj3 and howard mann. talk about vile. as her guardian, katherine has direct control over the contracts involving paris, since paris cannot legally enter contracts on her own. so if paris is acting in 'every damn film', that can be put down to katherine, and no one else. same thing for the talk show appearances and everything else.

regarding paris' tweet, although i agree it is disrespectful and paris has no business putting herself in the middle of this, doesn't this convince you at least a little that randy and janet don't know what they're talking about? that perhaps they don't have mj's interests at heart? i notice you don't have anything to say about the actual contents of the tweet, but have plenty of bile towards paris. is it b/c it reveals randy to be a liar?

You know it's sad when you have to have a 14-year-old girl defend her grandmother's name because a lie was made about her being ill...

[Edited 7/18/12 14:18pm]

Timmy84 said:

petes2 said:

Joe fell asleep selling perfume? that's funny as hell. I'm sorry, everyone hates joe but I've known too many men like him and I just laugh at them, right in their face, they are funny as hell. God I love Joe what a character.

It would be funny if his character wasn't so fucked up lol he's just as bad as Ike Turner and James Brown because of his behavior.

I hear you like i said i've known lots of old black men like him. My stepdad being one of them. He could hurt me as a child but now I find him funny as hell. Physically, he's no match for me and mentally, his insults do nothing but crack me up. How can you not laugh at a guy like that? Back in those days kids regularly got their asses kicked by their black father's, it wasn't unusual.

kibbles said:

Azz said:

Typical that MJ fans would be quick to praise Paris. And quick to condemn Janet and Randy.

They seem to thrive off seeing Michael's siblings do supposedly greedy things in his name, and spend an excessive amount of time focusing on it, and bregrudge them forever.

Whilst, Michael's own daughter is apparently doing the same thing. Ignoring her fathers wishes by acting in every damn film she is offered since his death, publicly disrespecting her uncle on Twitter, and appearing on every talk show she can get screen time on (Oprah & Ellen) questioning Michael's decisions as a parent (for example, wearing masks to protect her identity)

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you must not spend a lot of time in these mj threads.

most of the posters have posted at one time or another about their concerns over paris' so-called film career (though i'm not aware of anything that has been released with her in it).

they've expressed concern over her talk show appearances, esp. oprah's when it is clear oprah couldn't stand her father.

they've criticized her criticism of the masks. paris knows the reason that mj was doing that, to keep her and her brothers out of the spotlight, no matter what. although i doubt they would still be wearing masks at this point if mj were alive today, i know in my heart, this girl wouldn't be running her mouth on twitter, either. she's being really disrespectful to her father's memory.

however, her behavior is directly attributable to katherine's laxity in raising mj3, as well as her own desire to realize profit from the interest in paris and her brothers. if you were truly interested in enlightening yourself, you would look up the contract involving katherine, mj3 and howard mann. talk about vile. as her guardian, katherine has direct control over the contracts involving paris, since paris cannot legally enter contracts on her own. so if paris is acting in 'every damn film', that can be put down to katherine, and no one else. same thing for the talk show appearances and everything else.

regarding paris' tweet, although i agree it is disrespectful and paris has no business putting herself in the middle of this, doesn't this convince you at least a little that randy and janet don't know what they're talking about? that perhaps they don't have mj's interests at heart? i notice you don't have anything to say about the actual contents of the tweet, but have plenty of bile towards paris. is it b/c it reveals randy to be a liar?

And you are right, I don't. After the atrocity that is 'Michael' and 'This Is It'. I have no reason to. All releases since Michael's death have been apalling. I blame the executives. Yes I do. They have provided products for consumers to spend money on, resulting in $500 Million, but these products have been of extremely poor standard, which only highlights my anger, as Michael was a perfectionist. And in my opinion, there has been such a high level of interest, that any idiot of an executive could have produced this $500 million. They simply wanted a quick buck, and wanted their greedy 10%. They subject MJ fans to fake vocals, expecting us to remain oblivious and ignorant. And many other things, which I am disgusted by. Their press statement is equally sickening.

As for Paris, in no way does what she has said lead me to believe her, no 14 year old girl should be tweeting about matters that are above her head. And therefore I completely discard what she is saying. A girl who has yet to experience any sort of life, who spends her life ignoring her fathers wishes, and spends her life stanning over someone such as Chris Brown, has no influence over my opinion against someone like Janet Jackson (and Randy). Who, yes, I admit, I am fond of.

I don't see the other members of the family, who did not sign this letter, making any kind of statement. Specifically Latoya, who is the worst. But I think it was wise of Randy to leave her out, her name would only weaken their credibility.

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kibbles said:

Azz said:

Typical that MJ fans would be quick to praise Paris. And quick to condemn Janet and Randy.

They seem to thrive off seeing Michael's siblings do supposedly greedy things in his name, and spend an excessive amount of time focusing on it, and bregrudge them forever.

Whilst, Michael's own daughter is apparently doing the same thing. Ignoring her fathers wishes by acting in every damn film she is offered since his death, publicly disrespecting her uncle on Twitter, and appearing on every talk show she can get screen time on (Oprah & Ellen) questioning Michael's decisions as a parent (for example, wearing masks to protect her identity)

[Edited 7/18/12 13:44pm]

you must not spend a lot of time in these mj threads.

most of the posters have posted at one time or another about their concerns over paris' so-called film career (though i'm not aware of anything that has been released with her in it).

they've expressed concern over her talk show appearances, esp. oprah's when it is clear oprah couldn't stand her father.

they've criticized her criticism of the masks. paris knows the reason that mj was doing that, to keep her and her brothers out of the spotlight, no matter what. although i doubt they would still be wearing masks at this point if mj were alive today, i know in my heart, this girl wouldn't be running her mouth on twitter, either. she's being really disrespectful to her father's memory.

however, her behavior is directly attributable to katherine's laxity in raising mj3, as well as her own desire to realize profit from the interest in paris and her brothers. if you were truly interested in enlightening yourself, you would look up the contract involving katherine, mj3 and howard mann. talk about vile. as her guardian, katherine has direct control over the contracts involving paris, since paris cannot legally enter contracts on her own. so if paris is acting in 'every damn film', that can be put down to katherine, and no one else. same thing for the talk show appearances and everything else.

regarding paris' tweet, although i agree it is disrespectful and paris has no business putting herself in the middle of this, doesn't this convince you at least a little that randy and janet don't know what they're talking about? that perhaps they don't have mj's interests at heart? i notice you don't have anything to say about the actual contents of the tweet, but have plenty of bile towards paris. is it b/c it reveals randy to be a liar?

I can't remember Paris criticising them wearing the mask. She once said she felt "stupid" wearing them, but that she knows that they were supposed to protect them. She didn't say "it was stupid, I don't know why he did it." She always spoke of him as "the best father ever".

Flo Anthony just said that Katherine was going with Janet and Rebbie to see the Jackson 4 in "Mexico".

They just finished a show in NEW Mexico and are about to perform in Phoenix. Oops.

Ugh I can't with this family and their "associates". Least she said Katherine was fine though.

dm3857 said:

i dont understand where a lot of you are getting this whole "michael never wanted his children in show buisness" "paris is not respecting her father" thats just not true. Michael has said that if his children wanted to be in show business, he would present them with the good and the bad, the pros and cons, and if they still wanted to do it he said go do it, "and do it better than i did" that is what michael said. Michael would help Paris with monologues and Improves, so to say she's ignoring her fathers wishes is not factual.. at all.

Thats not what I was pointing out at all. My point was Michael wasnt FORCING or trying to expose his children to that lifestyle because he even knew at an early age the horrible negative aspects and after effects of that. He wanted his children to have a normal childhood BECAUSE HE DIDNT! Im quite sure once his children were old enough i.e 18 etc and if they took an interest in pursing show business for a career HE WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THAT but he most certainly would be PUSHING THEM and exploiting them in show business at the age Paris which is 14 damn years old LIKE THE JACKSON FAMILY IS DOING.. thats the difference.

Paris is to young to know what is best for her. Her family has polluted her mind and is encouraging her to pursue this i.e. Joe Jackson, Katherine etc. Its a down right disgrace that the family have exploited them like this. Thats why I dont completely blame Paris but in that Oprah interview she was more that aware why her father did what he did but she seems to not respect that

Nothing is factual.. ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS..........

I see Prince sometimes doing Charities but I dont see Prince or Blanket doing a interview every week like Paris does talking about her father etc... and Im pretty sure she has some say in that. This is the result of KATHERINE so called raising them and the brainwash of the family. There not molding her in the right direction. What they should be pushing her to do is focusing on her studies and enjoying just being a kid.. something her father never had and advocated

Well, you are right about the bold part, too.

As for Paris, she is a child and she has never been a "perfect" child even when Michael was alive. She neeeded to be guided and Michael guided her and she still needs that and that is Katherine's job now that she is failing to do. Don't forget that Katherine was there at both her Oprah interviews. She let her do it and Katherine is much older than Paris to know what's right and what's wrong and to follow Michael's wishes while raising them. I am just glad to see that Paris has her own head and is able to fight for herself and probably won't let people use her. I hope she'll be fighting for the right things in the future.

Azz said:

kibbles said:

dag said:
Wow, I don't worry about this girl anymore. She's tough.

And you are right, I don't. After the atrocity that is 'Michael' and 'This Is It'. I have no reason to. All releases since Michael's death have been apalling. I blame the executives. Yes I do. They have provided products for consumers to spend money on, resulting in $500 Million, but these products have been of extremely poor standard, which only highlights my anger, as Michael was a perfectionist. And in my opinion, there has been such a high level of interest, that any idiot of an executive could have produced this $500 million. They simply wanted a quick buck, and wanted their greedy 10%. They subject MJ fans to fake vocals, expecting us to remain oblivious and ignorant. And many other things, which I am disgusted by. Their press statement is equally sickening.

As for Paris, in no way does what she has said lead me to believe her, no 14 year old girl should be tweeting about matters that are above her head. And therefore I completely discard what she is saying. A girl who has yet to experience any sort of life, who spends her life ignoring her fathers wishes, and spends her life stanning over someone such as Chris Brown, has no influence over my opinion against someone like Janet Jackson (and Randy). Who, yes, I admit, I am fond of.

I don't see the other members of the family, who did not sign this letter, making any kind of statement. Specifically Latoya, who is the worst. But I think it was wise of Randy to leave her out, her name would only weaken their credibility.

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I don't know, judging from her reaction to Randy's lies about Katherine, don't seem like she's that brainwashed, not 100% anyways. Katherine, though, should've heeded her son's words and not bring her to this crazy world of a dog-eat-dog system like the entertainment business, selling her granddaughter to wolves or maybe it's Joe and we don't know about it yet. But at least when it comes to be honest, I don't think Paris will ever have that problem as we just witnessed.

dag said:

Well, you are right about the bold part, too.

As for Paris, she is a child and she has never been a "perfect" child even when Michael was alive. She neeeded to be guided and Michael guided her and she still needs that and that is Katherine's job now that she is failing to do. Don't forget that Katherine was there at both her Oprah interviews. She let her do it and Katherine is much older than Paris to know what's right and what's wrong and to follow Michael's wishes while raising them. I am just glad to see that Paris has her own head and is able to fight for herself and probably won't let people use her. I hope she'll be fighting for the right things in the future.

Azz said:

This is why I DONT LIKE THE JACKSON FAMILY. WHY WERE THEY EVEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE????

Paris all buddy buddy with a woman who called her father a pedophile and trashed him publicly for so many years. Katherine KNOWS this.. TJ CONFIRMED THIS over twitter. WHY THE FUCK PUSH YOUR SONS CHILD IN FRONT OF A WITCH LIKE THAT WHY WOULD YOU AS THE MOTHER WANT TO SIT IN FRONT OF SOMEONE WHO TRASHED YOUR SON?

Katherine to old to be raising those kids... If Im wrong for saying this, than Im wrong... Im very disappointed with how they have been handled....period.