Like I said, if you wanna believe they're doing this for their own good will, cool. I just don't agree with it. Go for what you know, again I say.

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

And where is her "loving husband"? Oh yeah, he's selling his suck ass perfume at a different store since they "sabotaged" it at the other store where he nearly fell off his seat sleeping. And Janet... I'm just disappointed in her. I really am. But then again, her actions in the last three years regarding Michael's death has just made me really upset.

Joe fell asleep selling perfume? that's funny as hell. I'm sorry, everyone hates joe but I've known too many men like him and I just laugh at them, right in their face, they are funny as hell. God I love Joe what a character.

Timmy84 said:

Like I said, if you wanna believe they're doing this for their own good will, cool. I just don't agree with it. Go for what you know, again I say.

Patronising and condescending as usual

Anyone with common decency would do the same. You are all being negative because of the track record the Jackson's have.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:13pm]

Azz said:

Timmy84 said:

Guess you didn't read into what was going on so to you it seems we're passing judgment but stay asleep. Go for what you know man.

I didn't pass judgement; I merely asked a question.

Their mother just suffered some kind of stroke. AEG has been hounding her for filing a wrongful death suit. And yet you can't understand why they have written this letter? If not simply out of rash emotion.

If my mother had suffered a similar fatal event after having so much pressure and harassment. I too would be blaming anyone I felt was even the slightest bit at fault.

[Edited 7/18/12 11:26am]

but as timmy as pointed out, there is a long history of stuff going on such that there is a question as to whether the same people who are pointing the finger at others aren't themselves responsible for katherine's condition.

for example, the signatories to this letter object to the alleged harrassment from aeg. what they don't state is that aeg has repeatedly requested that katherine merely be made to answer questions in a deposition for a lawsuit which she has brought, and she has repeatedly not done so or has been unresponsive when asked direct questions under oath. aeg had to make a motion to the court to compel her testimony.

further, katherine and other members of this family have either outright accused or implied that aeg knew that the mj was not able to perform due to his alleged drug addiction. aeg therefore has been trying to compel katherine and these family members to talk about what they knew about these alleged addictions, how often they were in touch with mj, clarify their relationships with him esp. those relationships where mj was directly responsible for certain family members' financial well being. in other words, aeg is simply doing what any person or company might do when accused - they're trying to defend themselves. did katherine and this family believe that aeg would simply "roll over" and pay them without a fight? the jacksons are objecting to aeg's questions b/c it will open up a can of worms for them that they would rather remain closed, but instead of admitting that, they're lashing out at the executors.

a lot of their accusations don't even make sense. katherine cannot give her approval to the executors to receive an increase in their admin percentage; that is done in the form of a motion to the court. the two johns made that motion to the judge, and he approved their increase. katherine is only a beneficiary of mj's estate; she doesn't have any decision-making power.

moreover, up thread it has been reported that the executors have made a number of good business decisions which have resulted in mj's debts nearly being wiped cleaned. how the hell are randy, janet and these other idiots going to argue that the executors have failed to perform their duties? no wonder katherine is under pressure as her kids are fucking brain dead. they're not going to get the executors off of their brother's estate, so they might as well give it up.

Are they serious with all this? All these attacks at the executors, and they've done nothing but embarrassing and tacky ventures in the name of their loving brother and son.

And i'm shocked that Janet would've signed her name to such nonsense. If this is about not wanting them badgering her for money, why didn't she hook them up with the right folks to help them make some money? No shit Katherine is going to flop hard if she's working with an obvious vulture like Howard Mann.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:05pm]

The letter also says that Michael told them in the months leading up to his death that he despised the pair and didn’t want them to have anything to do with his life or estate.

I saw that statement in their letter too and I am very skeptical of that claim as it does not make any sense. Considering that prior to his death John B. and John M. were no longer a part of his life, why then, a few months prior to his demise would he even be talking about them? Much less telling people that he didnt want them having anything to do with his life or estate. Its almost like they're trying to hint that Michael knew he was going to die--which we know he didnt so why on earth would he wanna talk about how much he hated John B. and John M. and that he didnt want them to have anything to do with his Estate and affairs and such? What would have caused him to even bring up their names in the first place? And if Michael supposedly hated them so much then can they explain how or why they were hired by Michael just days before his death?

[Edited 7/18/12 12:06pm]

kibbles said:

Azz said:

I didn't pass judgement; I merely asked a question.

Their mother just suffered some kind of stroke. AEG has been hounding her for filing a wrongful death suit. And yet you can't understand why they have written this letter? If not simply out of rash emotion.

If my mother had suffered a similar fatal event after having so much pressure and harassment. I too would be blaming anyone I felt was even the slightest bit at fault.

[Edited 7/18/12 11:26am]

but as timmy as pointed out, there is a long history of stuff going on such that there is a question as to whether the same people who are pointing the finger at others aren't themselves responsible for katherine's condition.

for example, the signatories to this letter object to the alleged harrassment from aeg. what they don't state is that aeg has repeatedly requested that katherine merely be made to answer questions in a deposition for a lawsuit which she has brought, and she has repeatedly not done so or has been unresponsive when asked direct questions under oath. aeg had to make a motion to the court to compel her testimony.

further, katherine and other members of this family have either outright accused or implied that aeg knew that the mj was not able to perform due to his alleged drug addiction. aeg therefore has been trying to compel katherine and these family members to talk about what they knew about these alleged addictions, how often they were in touch with mj, clarify their relationships with him esp. those relationships where mj was directly responsible for certain family members' financial well being. in other words, aeg is simply doing what any person or company might do when accused - they're trying to defend themselves. did katherine and this family believe that aeg would simply "roll over" and pay them without a fight? the jacksons are objecting to aeg's questions b/c it will open up a can of worms for them that they would rather remain closed, but instead of admitting that, they're lashing out at the executors.

a lot of their accusations don't even make sense. katherine cannot give her approval to the executors to receive an increase in their admin percentage; that is done in the form of a motion to the court. the two johns made that motion to the judge, and he approved their increase. katherine is only a beneficiary of mj's estate; she doesn't have any decision-making power.

moreover, up thread it has been reported that the executors have made a number of good business decisions which have resulted in mj's debts nearly being wiped cleaned. how the hell are randy, janet and these other idiots going to argue that the executors have failed to perform their duties? no wonder katherine is under pressure as her kids are fucking brain dead. they're not going to get the executors off of their brother's estate, so they might as well give it up.

They have repeatedly treated both Michael and Katherine badly. They helped rid of $500 million debt, god only knows how much they profited - without doubt more than Michael's own children. They should not be applauded for doing their jobs - which they haven't been doing particulary well; selling his catalogue to Sony.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:12pm]

Right on Kibbles!

From CNN.com:

The Jackson brothers and sisters also accuse Branca and McClain of abusing their 82-year-old mother through lies and manipulations.

"Your actions are affecting her health, and on top of that, we've just found out she recently had a mini-stroke. Please understand, she's not equipped to handle the stress load you are putting on her," her children said. "She feels, as she has said, 'I'm stuck in the middle.' She too knows and acknowledges the will was forged. She wants to do the right thing, and move in the direction of justice for her son and family, yet she fears the POWERS THAT BE."

Katherine Jackson's lawyer Perry Sanders disputed that she was in poor health.

"Mrs. Jackson is extremely lucid and does a great job caring for Michael's children," Sanders said Wednesday.

The siblings also attacked Sanders, Katherine Jackson's manager Lowell Henry and adviser Trent Jackson for discouraging her from joining their challenge of the will's validity.

"Instead, her so-called advisers are convincing her to let them negotiate 'deals' with Branca and McClain on her behalf, or is it on the behalf of all of you," they wrote. "Her advisors' loyalty seems to be skewed by the percentage you offer them, preventing them from advising her properly."

Sanders responded that he's always been available "to speak with or meet with any of Mrs. Jackson's children to answer any questions they might have. It is unfortunate that they haven't taken me up on the offer."

"Anyone who actually knows me knows my only loyalty in this matter is to Mrs. Jackson, and the public record of my success for her speaks for itself," Sanders said. He pointed to success in paying off her $14 million civil court judgment to a South Korean company, convincing the estate not to sell the family's Hayvenhurst mansion and "helping get her family allowance increased almost tenfold, to name a few."

Read full article: http://www.cnn.com/2012/0...index.html

mookie said:

Are they serious with all this? All these attacks at the executors, and they've done nothing but embarrassing and tacky ventures in the name of their loving brother and son.

And i'm shocked that Janet would've signed her name to such nonsense. If this is about not wanting them badgering her for money, why didn't she hook them up with the right folks to help them make some money? No shit Katherine is going to flop hard if she's wokring with an obvious vulture like Howrad Mann.

exactly. from day one, when they went to court and wanted to give this untested company the rights to a memorabilia show instead of the company which had sponsored the wildly successful princess diana tour.

if they loved their brother so much, why would they be pimping out his kids to all and sundry who come around, knowing that this is the last thing he would want? having them sign off on tacky belts? yeah, way to safeguard his legacy.

unlike others, i'm not shocked by janet at all. AT ALL. she has simply confirmed the suspicions i've held about her for a long time now, predating mj's death. she's not interested in helping her family b/c that whole thing was never her problem. it was mj's and it continues to be.

NaughtyKitty said:

The letter also says that Michael told them in the months leading up to his death that he despised the pair and didn’t want them to have anything to do with his life or estate.

I saw that statement in their letter too and I am very skeptical of that claim as it does not make any sense. Considering that prior to his death John B. and John M. were no longer a part of his life, why then, a few months prior to his demise would he even be talking about them? Much less telling people that he didnt want them having anything to do with his life or estate. Its almost like they're trying to hint that Michael knew he was going to die--which we know he didnt so why on earth would he wanna talk about how much he hated John B. and John M. and that he didnt want them to have anything to do with his Estate and affairs and such? What would have caused him to even bring up their names in the first place? And if Michael supposedly hated them so much then can they explain how or why they were hired by Michael just days before his death?

[Edited 7/18/12 12:06pm]

The Jackson are good LIARS

They dont know Michael and didnt know what was going on with him. This was made FACT in all those trainwreck interviews they gave to Ofah and so forth after Michaels passing.

Jackson Family if you are going to lie AT LEAST stay consistent with it.. dont switch it up with EVERY interview ... dumbasses

I cant believe their upset with the Estate when it has became the familys mission to slander Michaels name with ridiculous ventures, confusing misleading interviews and hooking up with people that trashed their kin and I love Janet as a entertainer but after Michael passed I lost alot of respect for her with how she threw her own flesh and blood under the bus and insisted that he was a drug addict and gave misleading stories that switched up with each interview, just a mess So it doesnt surprise me that she would sign the letter, she doesnt want the Jacksons to take any of her money and rather them take her brothers!!!!!!

mjscarousal said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I saw that statement in their letter too and I am very skeptical of that claim as it does not make any sense. Considering that prior to his death John B. and John M. were no longer a part of his life, why then, a few months prior to his demise would he even be talking about them? Much less telling people that he didnt want them having anything to do with his life or estate. Its almost like they're trying to hint that Michael knew he was going to die--which we know he didnt so why on earth would he wanna talk about how much he hated John B. and John M. and that he didnt want them to have anything to do with his Estate and affairs and such? What would have caused him to even bring up their names in the first place? And if Michael supposedly hated them so much then can they explain how or why they were hired by Michael just days before his death?

[Edited 7/18/12 12:06pm]

The Jackson are good LIARS

They dont know Michael and didnt know what was going on with him. This was made FACT in all those trainwreck interviews they gave to Ofah and so forth after Michaels passing.

Jackson Family if you are going to lie AT LEAST stay consistent with it.. dont switch it up with EVERY interview ... dumbasses

I cant believe their upset with the Estate when it has became the familys mission to slander Michaels name with ridiculous ventures, confusing misleading interviews and hooking up with people that trashed their kin and I love Janet as a entertainer but after Michael passed I lost alot of respect for her with how she threw her own flesh and blood under the bus and insisted that he was a drug addict and gave misleading stories that switched up with each interview, just a mess So it doesnt surprise me that she would sign the letter, she doesnt want the Jacksons to take any of her money and rather them take her brothers!!!!!!

Oh come on! That is absurd, and yet, hilarious.

But I disgress. This is a complete mess. But remember that the Jacksons are human; and by this I mean, they may say things rashly, that they later regret. But because their lives are under a micro scope, it makes it far harder to retract or correct their mistakes.

mjscarousal said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I saw that statement in their letter too and I am very skeptical of that claim as it does not make any sense. Considering that prior to his death John B. and John M. were no longer a part of his life, why then, a few months prior to his demise would he even be talking about them? Much less telling people that he didnt want them having anything to do with his life or estate. Its almost like they're trying to hint that Michael knew he was going to die--which we know he didnt so why on earth would he wanna talk about how much he hated John B. and John M. and that he didnt want them to have anything to do with his Estate and affairs and such? What would have caused him to even bring up their names in the first place? And if Michael supposedly hated them so much then can they explain how or why they were hired by Michael just days before his death?

[Edited 7/18/12 12:06pm]

The Jackson are good LIARS

They dont know Michael and didnt know what was going on with him. This was made FACT in all those trainwreck interviews they gave to Ofah and so forth after Michaels passing.

Jackson Family if you are going to lie AT LEAST stay consistent with it.. dont switch it up with EVERY interview ... dumbasses

I cant believe their upset with the Estate when it has became the familys mission to slander Michaels name with ridiculous ventures, confusing misleading interviews and hooking up with people that trashed their kin and I love Janet as a entertainer but after Michael passed I lost alot of respect for her with how she threw her own flesh and blood under the bus and insisted that he was a drug addict and gave misleading stories that switched up with each interview, just a mess So it doesnt surprise me that she would sign the letter, she doesnt want the Jacksons to take any of her money and rather them take her brothers!!!!!!

Yes they are and they lie often! Which is too bad because whenver they actually tell the truth, hardly nobody believes them cuz they lie so much!

NaughtyKitty said:

mjscarousal said:

The Jackson are good LIARS

They dont know Michael and didnt know what was going on with him. This was made FACT in all those trainwreck interviews they gave to Ofah and so forth after Michaels passing.

Jackson Family if you are going to lie AT LEAST stay consistent with it.. dont switch it up with EVERY interview ... dumbasses

I cant believe their upset with the Estate when it has became the familys mission to slander Michaels name with ridiculous ventures, confusing misleading interviews and hooking up with people that trashed their kin and I love Janet as a entertainer but after Michael passed I lost alot of respect for her with how she threw her own flesh and blood under the bus and insisted that he was a drug addict and gave misleading stories that switched up with each interview, just a mess So it doesnt surprise me that she would sign the letter, she doesnt want the Jacksons to take any of her money and rather them take her brothers!!!!!!

Yes they are and they lie often! Which is too bad because whenver they actually tell the truth, hardly nobody believes them cuz they lie so much!

You couldn't possibly know when they are telling truth or lying. None of you can. I swear, sometimes fans act like they are there when certain events unfold. When in reality, they receive all their info from either press - , the jacksons them selves (including Michael) who are supposedly known liars - , or friends of the Jacksons themselves like David Guest - .

[Edited 7/18/12 12:57pm]

NaughtyKitty said:

Right on Kibbles!

From CNN.com:

The Jackson brothers and sisters also accuse Branca and McClain of abusing their 82-year-old mother through lies and manipulations.

"Your actions are affecting her health, and on top of that, we've just found out she recently had a mini-stroke. Please understand, she's not equipped to handle the stress load you are putting on her," her children said. "She feels, as she has said, 'I'm stuck in the middle.' She too knows and acknowledges the will was forged. She wants to do the right thing, and move in the direction of justice for her son and family, yet she fears the POWERS THAT BE."

Katherine Jackson's lawyer Perry Sanders disputed that she was in poor health.

"Mrs. Jackson is extremely lucid and does a great job caring for Michael's children," Sanders said Wednesday.

The siblings also attacked Sanders, Katherine Jackson's manager Lowell Henry and adviser Trent Jackson for discouraging her from joining their challenge of the will's validity.

"Instead, her so-called advisers are convincing her to let them negotiate 'deals' with Branca and McClain on her behalf, or is it on the behalf of all of you," they wrote. "Her advisors' loyalty seems to be skewed by the percentage you offer them, preventing them from advising her properly."

Sanders responded that he's always been available "to speak with or meet with any of Mrs. Jackson's children to answer any questions they might have. It is unfortunate that they haven't taken me up on the offer."

"Anyone who actually knows me knows my only loyalty in this matter is to Mrs. Jackson, and the public record of my success for her speaks for itself," Sanders said. He pointed to success in paying off her $14 million civil court judgment to a South Korean company, convincing the estate not to sell the family's Hayvenhurst mansion and "helping get her family allowance increased almost tenfold, to name a few."

Read full article: http://www.cnn.com/2012/0...index.html

So they were saying again?

petes2 said:

hey folks, when this kind of money is at stake no one is nice and innocent.

Money makes people do some weird, stupid things man...

Am I the only one who sees through this so called polite, innocent statement. It's extremely manipulative and vile.

"We are saddened that false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories are now being made by certain members of Michael's family whom he chose to leave out of his will," estate spokesman Jim Bates said in a statement to CNN. "We are especially disheartened that they come at a time when remarkable progress has been made to secure the financial future of his children by turning around the Estate's finances as well as during a time when so many of Michael's fans, old and new, are enjoying his artistry through exciting new projects.

It's disgusting, and cleverly concieved. It makes me feel sick reading.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:32pm]

Azz said:

kibbles said:

moreover, up thread it has been reported that the executors have made a number of good business decisions which have resulted in mj's debts nearly being wiped cleaned. how the hell are randy, janet and these other idiots going to argue that the executors have failed to perform their duties? no wonder katherine is under pressure as her kids are fucking brain dead. they're not going to get the executors off of their brother's estate, so they might as well give it up.

They have repeatedly treated both Michael and Katherine badly. They helped rid of $500 million debt, god only knows how much they profited - without doubt more than Michael's own children. They should not be applauded for doing their jobs - which they haven't been doing particulary well; selling his catalogue to Sony.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:12pm]

i don't understand your assertion that the estate has treated mj and katherine badly. in the article posted above, and in records to the court, the opposite has been shown to be true. as her lawyer points out, he's gotten katherine an increase in her allowance, he's gotten the execs to help her pay her debt (it's a loan that she has to pay back), gotten them agree to reconsider selling hayvenhurst for the time being. katherine and the kids live in a very nice home in calabasas, which i'm sure is fully staffed. they have also made a motion to the court to fund the trust which will benefit her and mj3.

i hope you understand that when an estate is in probate, the debts have to be cleared first before the beneficiaries receive anything. that's true of mj and everyone else. i didn't receive a dime of my grandmother's estate until her debts were cleared, and yes, the lawyer got paid on an ongoing basis before i did. that's standard. it is probable that the executors have gotten paid more money in the short term than katherine and the kids, but now that the debts are cleared, they will reap more of the benefit. our lawyer at the end of the day didn't receive more money than i did when all was said and done, even though he was being paid for his services before i was.

i also don't know what you mean about the execs selling his catalog to sony. in every press release, the atv catalog is referred to as a joint venture between the estate and sony. that means that mj's estate still owes their share of the catalog. moreover, i have not seen any evidence that mj's own catalog, which is separate from atv, has been sold to sony or anyone else.

if you have evidence to the contrary, please post.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:42pm]

Timmy84 said:

petes2 said:

hey folks, when this kind of money is at stake no one is nice and innocent.

Money makes people do some weird, stupid things man...

stupid and crazy. even people who should know better or so you'd think. Personally, i try my best not to get wound up in it. sunday i worked all day and the guy didn't pay, bigger things to worry about really.

petes2 said:

Timmy84 said:

Money makes people do some weird, stupid things man...

stupid and crazy. even people who should know better or so you'd think. Personally, i try my best not to get wound up in it. sunday i worked all day and the guy didn't pay, bigger things to worry about really.

It's all a mess.

Can I say that's just lowdown for some of the siblings (probably Randy is the ringleader this time around) to accuse them of making their mother sick? Seriously, how is that shit supposed to fly? And why ain't Janet doing nothing? She got money? Why is she co-signing her dumb brother to get the money because that's really all there is. Michael didn't leave them nothing and they're gonna claim anything just to get top dollar.

Azz said:

Am I the only one who sees through this so called polite, innocent statement. It's extremely manipulative and vile.

"We are saddened that false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories are now being made by certain members of Michael's family whom he chose to leave out of his will," estate spokesman Jim Bates said in a statement to CNN. "We are especially disheartened that they come at a time when remarkable progress has been made to secure the financial future of his children by turning around the Estate's finances as well as during a time when so many of Michael's fans, old and new, are enjoying his artistry through exciting new projects.

It's disgusting, and cleverly concieved. It makes me feel sick reading.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:32pm]

no, i don't think the meaning of their retort was lost on anyone.

you're right. it is neither polite nor innocent. but it is it succinct and to the point, and in stark contrast to the rambling mess that the jacksons chose to release.

Azz said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Yes they are and they lie often! Which is too bad because whenver they actually tell the truth, hardly nobody believes them cuz they lie so much!

You couldn't possibly know when they are telling truth or lying. None of you can. I swear, sometimes fans act like they are then when certain events unfold. When in reality, they receive all their info from either press - , the jacksons them selves (including Michael) who are supposedly known liars - , or friends of the Jacksons themselves like David Guest - .

[Edited 7/18/12 12:25pm]

Oh but you KNOW that they are telling the truth and that they have valid concerns because you've been in on the family discussions yourself huh? Pot, meet kettle. Instead of jumping on everyone who is leveling a criticism at the family's actions you would do better to read up and educate yourself on the family's antics post June 25, 2009. We all have very valid reasons for criticising the family actions especially with this latest stunt they're pulling. When you have a track record of lies, participating in shady deal after shady deal to try to capitalize off the death of your sibling, you are going to attract heavy criticism--dont see why that's so hard to understand. And do you really think its a coincidence that they are publicly releasing this attack letter now, when the lawyers just filed papers on how much revenue they've generated for the Estate (almost $500 million!). They want a piece of that! But if you still prefer to close your eyes to the obvious truth, then fine, nobody here is gonna force you to change your opinion. Rally on.

And they're attorneys/lawyers, they ain't supposed to play nice. If the Jacksons ain't playing nice, why would anyone expect the lawyers to? That don't make sense. The Jacksons are just knee-jerking buffoons.

kibbles said:

Azz said:

Am I the only one who sees through this so called polite, innocent statement. It's extremely manipulative and vile.

It's disgusting, and cleverly concieved. It makes me feel sick reading.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:32pm]

no, i don't think the meaning of their retort was lost on anyone.

you're right. it is neither polite nor innocent. but it is it succinct and to the point, and in stark contrast to the rambling mess that the jacksons chose to release.

To me, this only shows the emotion that the 'certain' Jackson members feel. It's not a lawsuit, merely a letter to inform and express.

NaughtyKitty said:

Azz said:

You couldn't possibly know when they are telling truth or lying. None of you can. I swear, sometimes fans act like they are then when certain events unfold. When in reality, they receive all their info from either press - , the jacksons them selves (including Michael) who are supposedly known liars - , or friends of the Jacksons themselves like David Guest - .

[Edited 7/18/12 12:25pm]

Oh but you KNOW that they are telling the truth and that they have valid concerns because you've been in on the family discussions yourself huh? Pot, meet kettle. Instead of jumping on everyone who is leveling a criticism at the family's actions you would do better to read up and educate yourself on the family's antics post June 25, 2009. We all have very valid reasons for criticising the family actions especially with this latest stunt they're pulling. When you have a track record of lies, participating in shady deal after shady deal to try to capitalize off the death of your sibling, you are going to attract heavy criticism--dont see why that's so hard to understand. And do you really think its a coincidence that they are publicly releasing this attack letter now, when the lawyers just filed papers on how much revenue they've generated for the Estate (almost $500 million!). They want a piece of that! But if you still prefer to close your eyes to the obvious truth, then fine, nobody here is gonna force you to change your opinion. Rally on.

That's why I told him go for what he knows. He gonna believe what he believes anyway.

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Oh but you KNOW that they are telling the truth and that they have valid concerns because you've been in on the family discussions yourself huh? Pot, meet kettle. Instead of jumping on everyone who is leveling a criticism at the family's actions you would do better to read up and educate yourself on the family's antics post June 25, 2009. We all have very valid reasons for criticising the family actions especially with this latest stunt they're pulling. When you have a track record of lies, participating in shady deal after shady deal to try to capitalize off the death of your sibling, you are going to attract heavy criticism--dont see why that's so hard to understand. And do you really think its a coincidence that they are publicly releasing this attack letter now, when the lawyers just filed papers on how much revenue they've generated for the Estate (almost $500 million!). They want a piece of that! But if you still prefer to close your eyes to the obvious truth, then fine, nobody here is gonna force you to change your opinion. Rally on.

That's why I told him go for what he knows. He gonna believe what he believes anyway.

I do not know any truth concerning this (and I have not stated my opinion like it's fact), but neither do you. We only know what we have heard from the media, the Jacksons (including Michael), and friends of the Jacksons.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:57pm]

Timmy84 said:

And they're attorneys/lawyers, they ain't supposed to play nice. If the Jacksons ain't playing nice, why would anyone expect the lawyers to? That don't make sense. The Jacksons are just knee-jerking buffoons.

I believe the Jackson's showed even the slightest bit of respect towards the excutives, despite what they believe the executives have done. Whilst in defence, they were simply ruthless. And only sway me further to favour the Jacksons instead of them, who are the only ones who are truly profiteering from Michael's death.

But as usual, you can make me out to seem a little crazy or stupid, as you do to anyone disagrees with, particularly when the person is lone.

[Edited 7/18/12 12:55pm]

petes2 said:

Timmy84 said:

Joe fell asleep selling perfume? that's funny as hell. I'm sorry, everyone hates joe but I've known too many men like him and I just laugh at them, right in their face, they are funny as hell. God I love Joe what a character.

It would be funny if his character wasn't so fucked up lol he's just as bad as Ike Turner and James Brown because of his behavior.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

The Jackson are good LIARS

They dont know Michael and didnt know what was going on with him. This was made FACT in all those trainwreck interviews they gave to Ofah and so forth after Michaels passing.

Jackson Family if you are going to lie AT LEAST stay consistent with it.. dont switch it up with EVERY interview ... dumbasses

I cant believe their upset with the Estate when it has became the familys mission to slander Michaels name with ridiculous ventures, confusing misleading interviews and hooking up with people that trashed their kin and I love Janet as a entertainer but after Michael passed I lost alot of respect for her with how she threw her own flesh and blood under the bus and insisted that he was a drug addict and gave misleading stories that switched up with each interview, just a mess So it doesnt surprise me that she would sign the letter, she doesnt want the Jacksons to take any of her money and rather them take her brothers!!!!!!

Oh come on! That is absurd, and yet, hilarious.

But I disgress. This is a complete mess. But remember that the Jacksons are human; and by this I mean, they may say things rashly, that they later regret. But because their lives are under a micro scope, it makes it far harder to retract or correct their mistakes.

Yea I say the same thing regarding the behavior of the family

Your right we shouldnt jump to conclusions BUT the Jacksons dont have a good track record of honesty and Michael wasnt an angel either well he is to me but I know he wasnt perfect but that still doesnt justify their off the wall behavior... Do you think some of their actions have been questionable or you dont see it?

Azz said:

kibbles said:

no, i don't think the meaning of their retort was lost on anyone.

you're right. it is neither polite nor innocent. but it is it succinct and to the point, and in stark contrast to the rambling mess that the jacksons chose to release.

To me, this only shows the emotion that the 'certain' Jackson members feel. It's not a lawsuit, merely a letter to inform and express.

Your right but see The Jacksons have made it clear that they dont like the John's and even challenged the Estate through lawsuits etc in the past. The letter is just beating a dead horse as far as Im concerned. That is not hear say that is FACT. They just want MONEY that is why they feel the The Will is not authentic because their NOT IN IT!