GoldDolphin said:

Cerebus said:

I don't get it, man. The black community, supposedly, wants to present this image of being strong, independent, individuals who don't fit the stereotypes people have been trying to shove them into for the last however many years. But somebody lightens their hair and all of a sudden their own people turn on them because they're trying to be "white". Can people really not see the ironic self-loathing in that?

The problem is that when you have an image embedded in your mind because of the culture you live in, it makes the situation controversial. You want to be part of the general culture yet remain true to your roots/ cultural background so what happens is that; you want to be proud of who you are yet there's a sense of also wanting to fit into the larger group of people. Since being blonde or lightskinned/ fair skinned sadly to this day means you're more attractive, it causes problem, because while you are proud of who you are, you are still changing yourself into something that is the standard of beauty in many countries around the world. Dont know if what I wrote made sense...

You make perfect sense. Its a sad but true fact.

GoldDolphin said:

Cerebus said:

I don't get it, man. The black community, supposedly, wants to present this image of being strong, independent, individuals who don't fit the stereotypes people have been trying to shove them into for the last however many years. But somebody lightens their hair and all of a sudden their own people turn on them because they're trying to be "white". Can people really not see the ironic self-loathing in that?

The problem is that when you have an image embedded in your mind because of the culture you live in, it makes the situation controversial. You want to be part of the general culture yet remain true to your roots/ cultural background so what happens is that; you want to be proud of who you are yet there's a sense of also wanting to fit into the larger group of people. Since being blonde or lightskinned/ fair skinned sadly to this day means you're more attractive, it causes problem, because while you are proud of who you are, you are still changing yourself into something that is the standard of beauty in many countries around the world. Dont know if what I wrote made sense...

Great Post Goldie!

Do people (of all races) really still think being blonde is what is most beautiful? I don't think that's true anymore with the wide variety of sex symbols we have.

Blondes are always looked down upon on Top Model too (not that that show is an indicator of anything substantial).

MidniteMagnet said:

Do people (of all races) really still think being blonde is what is most beautiful? I don't think that's true anymore with the wide variety of sex symbols we have.

Blondes are always looked down upon on Top Model too (not that that show is an indicator of anything substantial).

I personally think it depends on the person. Ciara looks ok with it.

But it all comes down to making the person look more European and less ethnic.

Shard said:

mjscarousal said:

Ciara looks nice (the outfit and her figure) but I have to get this off my chest... WHY DO THESE BLACK WOMEN DYE THEIR DAMN HAIR BLONDE?? Like WTF?

Its nothing appealing or attractive about it at all. Its tired and makes them look old with that trying to look white/European look. She would look so much prettier with black or brown hair.

yes yes yes. Ciara is a beautiful woman and would look good with any hair color. It annoys me so many famous black women go blonde! When Tina Turner did it, she stood out and it was cool. All these other black women doing it? It's too much. A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman-you don't need to be blonde to be hot and pretty.

anyway, Ciara has a supporting role in this movie. I think I'll see it

Well it's Hollywood in general, women of all ethnic groups go blond for a period of time, and some change up.

Sometimes I don't always think it's trying to look European, she sure doesn't look W.African but sometimes entertainers/artists are allowed that free way to do colors and different stuff with their looks

From a distance I always think it's Beyonce but her look in this pic looks really good, her face looks more distinct. More matured

WaterInYourBath said:

These women hire the worst stylists.

She looks good

Terrib3Towel said:

MidniteMagnet said:

Do people (of all races) really still think being blonde is what is most beautiful? I don't think that's true anymore with the wide variety of sex symbols we have.

Blondes are always looked down upon on Top Model too (not that that show is an indicator of anything substantial).

I personally think it depends on the person. Ciara looks ok with it.

But it all comes down to making the person look more European and less ethnic.

Well Europeans are ethnic too from Irerland to France to Italy to Greece

U probably mean more WASP or

GoldDolphin said:

mjscarousal said:

Ciara looks nice (the outfit and her figure) but I have to get this off my chest... WHY DO THESE BLACK WOMEN DYE THEIR DAMN HAIR BLONDE?? Like WTF?

Its nothing appealing or attractive about it at all. Its tired and makes them look old with that trying to look white/European look. She would look so much prettier with black or brown hair.

She looks nice but I TOTALLY AGREE! UGH.... I hate the blonde hair, it doesnt look good on everyone, it just doesnt! I wish blacks, latinas & asians could embrace natural hair colors, there's no probelm with dying it but why does it automatically have to mean "you're hotter" when you go blonde?

I've always thought Ciara looked pretty with black hair and she doesnt need to get skinnier, she looks great already but we all know how it is in Hollywood, the skinnier the better.

All white or Euro descendant people don't look good with blond hair either

And of course all the ^^ are not blonds

Some women (of all races) can't pull off that blonde look (same with some men). Some of them look old actually with it and it doesn't show off their real beauty at all. As praised as it often seems to be, it's not a real favorable look.

Chris Brown pulled it off....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Chris Brown pulled it off....

Chris Brown with blonde hair.

Yeah I remember Breezy went blonde too for a minute. Looks better than Sisqo's platinum dye job lol.

MidniteMagnet said:

Do people (of all races) really still think being blonde is what is most beautiful? I don't think that's true anymore with the wide variety of sex symbols we have.

Blondes are always looked down upon on Top Model too (not that that show is an indicator of anything substantial).

And yes it still does, even in european countries. You can have the sexiest "ethnic" woman walking by and next to her a blonde woman who looks bad, but people will look at the blonde (obviously not everyone) and still thinks she's hot or is sexy because of the blonde/fair skinned complexion.

Just look at Britney Spears (in my eyes, she's a plain jane) she's a brunette naturally but became "sexy" with the blonde hair. It's a thinking that we've growned used to because of the people who colonized and conquered other people, and hence the standard beauty comes from those same people. The women who people want to be/look like/desire is the white minority woman in the world and it's so stupid to me that still after such a long time, we don't see other images of beauty. I think all types of beauty should be recieved the same way and get the respect they deserve. Top Model doesn't represent the world of fashion and modelling in general, it's just entertainment.

There's nothing wrong with someone lightening their hair but for some reason,when Beyonce and Ciara do it,they like look like Barbie Dolls it's such a fake,plastic look.

OldFriends4Sale said:

WaterInYourBath said:

These women hire the worst stylists.

She looks good

In your opinion.

SoulAlive said:

There's nothing wrong with someone lightening their hair but for some reason,when Beyonce and Ciara do it,they like look like Barbie Dolls it's such a fake,plastic look.

Thats because its not a realistic look. African American women are not born with bleached blonde hair.

Beyonce has ALWAS wore Blonde hair EVEN when she was in DC. I always thought it made her look older.. When she first came out solo I thought she was like 25... I still think she looks alot older than her age and her hair/hair styles has alot to do with it.

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

There's nothing wrong with someone lightening their hair but for some reason,when Beyonce and Ciara do it,they like look like Barbie Dolls it's such a fake,plastic look.

Thats because its not a realistic look. African American women are not born with bleached blonde hair.

Beyonce has ALWAS wore Blonde hair EVEN when she was in DC. I always thought it made her look older.. When she first came out solo I thought she was like 25... I still think she looks alot older than her age and her hair/hair styles has alot to do with it.

Well African-American is not a 'pure' racial group

That's like saying AA are not born with blue green grey hazel eyes

There are AA some who are biracial but identity as black and others of course who come from recent admixture who are born with blond hair that may turn darker or say blond, red hair as well

Eva Pigford was born with blonde hair

Also Beyonce's nephew was born blondish & blue eyed

White women aren't born with bleach blonde hair either

I think it just depends on the look

This look on Ciara I think is cool.

I think as far as a 'fashion' statement it works on some and not on others

I think Eva Pigford looks good in almost anything but red but the white blond works really good on her, prob better than the dark and short better than long

OldFriends4Sale said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats because its not a realistic look. African American women are not born with bleached blonde hair.

Beyonce has ALWAS wore Blonde hair EVEN when she was in DC. I always thought it made her look older.. When she first came out solo I thought she was like 25... I still think she looks alot older than her age and her hair/hair styles has alot to do with it.

Well African-American is not a 'pure' racial group

That's like saying AA are not born with blue green grey hazel eyes

There are AA some who are biracial but identity as black and others of course who come from recent admixture who are born with blond hair that may turn darker or say blond, red hair as well

Beyonce was born with blonde hair

Also Beyonce's nephew was born blondish & blue eyed

White women aren't born with bleach blonde hair either

I think it just depends on the look

This look on Ciara I think is cool.

I think as far as a 'fashion' statement it works on some and not on others

I think Eva Pigford looks good in almost anything but red but the white blond works really good on her, prob better than the dark and short better than long

Beyonce was not born with blonde hair .... Her natural hair color is brown

Also.... that shot of Eva is not a good shot with the long hair.. it has nothing to do with her hair color.. Eva looks better with shorter hair in general (with any color).. The long weave/wig doesnt look as good on her versus shorter hair no matter what color it is.

And you dont have to talk to me about African Americans because I just so happen to be one... Im around the same complexion as Eva/ Beyonce etc and both my parents are black.... I have white in my family and some relatives have blue eyes etc but that has NOTHING to do with her constant overuse of bleach blonde weave which black people in general are not born with

This arguement is MUCH MUCH BIGGER than hair color. Its sad how people will do anything to minimize the poison.

still gorgeous with the black hair...

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mjscarousal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well African-American is not a 'pure' racial group

That's like saying AA are not born with blue green grey hazel eyes

There are AA some who are biracial but identity as black and others of course who come from recent admixture who are born with blond hair that may turn darker or say blond, red hair as well

Beyonce (Correction:Eva was born with blonde hair)

Also Beyonce's nephew was born blondish & blue eyed

White women aren't born with bleach blonde hair either

I think it just depends on the look

This look on Ciara I think is cool.

I think as far as a 'fashion' statement it works on some and not on others

I think Eva Pigford looks good in almost anything but red but the white blond works really good on her, prob better than the dark and short better than long

Beyonce was not born with blonde hair .... Her natural hair color is brown

Also.... that shot of Eva is not a good shot with the long hair.. it has nothing to do with her hair color.. Eva looks better with shorter hair in general (with any color).. The long weave/wig doesnt look as good on her versus shorter hair no matter what color it is.

And you dont have to talk to me about African Americans because I just so happen to be one... Im around the same complexion as Eva/ Beyonce etc and both my parents are black.... I have white in my family and some relatives have blue eyes etc but that has NOTHING to do with her constant overuse of bleach blonde weave which black people in general are not born with

This arguement is MUCH MUCH BIGGER than hair color. Its sad how people will do anything to minimize the poison.

still gorgeous with the black hair...

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Sorry I meant to say Eva was

I think it's a nice shot, and I've seen her with other nice styles of long hair I just think she looks better in short hair

Again, models & entertainers can get away with a lot of style change. Models especially are expected to try out all kinds of looks.

Entertainers, depending on what music genre can go to different levels as well

I wasn't trying to school U on AA heritage, was just communicating. I also am multiracial so there...

She's an entertainer, of obvious mixed heritage, and her complexion works well with it,

I think this photo is the 1st time, Ciara looks like her own from Beyonce.

And I love how defined her face looks, she looks more mature.

It's also sad how people continue to poison every things someone of color does with race.

Sometimes people just want to change up stuff and try things. People of AA ancestry should have that freedom too. Nikkie Minaj with all the hair colors I don't think she is poisoned and trying to downplay her Trinidadian heritage. She's an entertainer.

WaterInYourBath said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

She looks good

In your opinion.

Of course it's my opinion,

your opinion is yours. I just happen to agree with Ciara

SoulAlive said:

There's nothing wrong with someone lightening their hair but for some reason,when Beyonce and Ciara do it,they like look like Barbie Dolls it's such a fake,plastic look.

It's just because they are 'sexy women'

I think that's a generized opinion about women going blond

It depends on the persons genre of life

GoldDolphin said:

The problem is that when you have an image embedded in your mind because of the culture you live in, it makes the situation controversial. You want to be part of the general culture yet remain true to your roots/ cultural background so what happens is that; you want to be proud of who you are yet there's a sense of also wanting to fit into the larger group of people. Since being blonde or lightskinned/ fair skinned sadly to this day means you're more attractive, it causes problem, because while you are proud of who you are, you are still changing yourself into something that is the standard of beauty in many countries around the world. Dont know if what I wrote made sense...

co-sign

EDIT. Nvrmind.

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uPtoWnNY said:

GoldDolphin said:

The problem is that when you have an image embedded in your mind because of the culture you live in, it makes the situation controversial. You want to be part of the general culture yet remain true to your roots/ cultural background so what happens is that; you want to be proud of who you are yet there's a sense of also wanting to fit into the larger group of people. Since being blonde or lightskinned/ fair skinned sadly to this day means you're more attractive, it causes problem, because while you are proud of who you are, you are still changing yourself into something that is the standard of beauty in many countries around the world. Dont know if what I wrote made sense...

co-sign

sadly, women of all backgrounds have to deal with this x 7, men don't get judged like that.

If a blue black man went blond it would be an 'artistic' statement, do one would say he was trying to be white

but women will get it really hard

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

There's nothing wrong with someone lightening their hair but for some reason,when Beyonce and Ciara do it,they like look like Barbie Dolls it's such a fake,plastic look.

It's just because they are 'sexy women'

I think that's a generized opinion about women going blond

It depends on the persons genre of life

That is not true...

I want to agree with some of your comments but some of your comments come off as ........ignorant for lack of a better word.... sorry but they do....... not sure if that is what you intend though

If you take a minute to exactly find out more information on what we are talking about instead of miminizing it to how it makes someone more or less attractive or implying people have issue with the blonde look because the women in question are sexy you might understand the whole point of the arguement.

There is a whole science and subconscious European brain wash that has been going on YEARS in how African American people are portrayed in the media... this is nothing to do with someone being sexy, this is nothing to do with how short or long someone's hair is, this has nothing to do with someone being bi-racial and all this other bullshit your implying.

The issue is DEEPER than that and its very sad you dont seem to understand that.

Your speaking on the surface when the arguement is ALOT deeper than that.

Who the fuck cares how sexy or not sexy some black women who wear blonde hair are.. The issue is its tired how the standard of beauty in the AA community in Hollywood is you have to wear bleach blonde weave or wig and be light skin in order to be called beautiful IF YOUR BLACK.

I respect Eva because she doesnt play into that sterotype as much and manages to still be successful. Shes a pretty lady and she wears different styles, different hair colors and not afraid to rock short looks.

OldFriends4Sale said:

uPtoWnNY said:

co-sign

sadly, women of all backgrounds have to deal with this x 7, men don't get judged like that.

If a blue black man went blond it would be an 'artistic' statement, do one would say he was trying to be white

but women will get it really hard

When Chris Brown dyed his hair people talked about it to and said it didnt look right.

Personally, I dont think it looks right.. It washes him out. Black or brown hair would bring his features out better because his fair skin.

Also, this discussion is about Ciara. So naturally the discussion will go into how women are portrayed specifically but that is not implying the issue doesnt apply to men as well.

But if you were paying any kind of attention through out this entire thread, people have insisted that African Americans which also INCLUDES men are white washed in the media. Its been this way for years, this shit isnt new. Its just that women are seen as sexual objects though ats its always been harder overall for women in the media let alone AA women.

mjscarousal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's just because they are 'sexy women'

I think that's a generized opinion about women going blond

It depends on the persons genre of life

That is not true...

I want to agree with some of your comments but some of your comments come off as ........ignorant for lack of a better word.... sorry but they do....... not sure if that is what you intend though

If you take a minute to exactly find out more information on what we are talking about instead of miminizing it to how it makes someone more or less attractive or implying people have issue with the blonde look because the women in question are sexy you might understand the whole point of the arguement.

There is a whole science and subconscious European brain wash that has been going on YEARS in how African American people are portrayed in the media... this is nothing to do with someone being sexy, this is nothing to do with how short or long someone's hair is, this has nothing to do with someone being bi-racial and all this other bullshit your implying.

The issue is DEEPER than that and its very sad you dont seem to understand that.

Your speaking on the surface when the arguement is ALOT deeper than that.

Who the fuck cares how sexy or not sexy some black women who wear blonde hair are.. The issue is its tired how the standard of beauty in the AA community in Hollywood is you have to wear bleach blonde weave or wig and be light skin in order to be called beautiful IF YOUR BLACK.

I respect Eva because she doesnt play into that sterotype as much and manages to still be successful. Shes a pretty lady and she wears different styles, different hair colors and not afraid to rock short looks.

No I understand the who Europeanized ideals of beauty, I'm never denying that that could be a part of things.

And I have a right to think outside the box too, who is the authority here on what is and isn't? Did any of you talk to Ciara and figure out where her mindset is on that? NO

And yes, if a librarian goes blond, nobody thinks "Barbie" But if she is curvey and breasts and hip and ass, and then she goes blond "Barbie" get's applied. When women are in areas where their looks matter, yes, Young attractive and hot figure a brunette who goes blond ultra blond will get called that or viewed that way.

Who the FUCK cares? Every AA who feels the need to comment on Beyonce and Ciara on how they look, You obviously don't understand how a womans sexiness factors in on that. If Rosanne Barr went platinum Blond you wouldn't think 'fake barbie'

But I just don't believe that every single time someone changes their hair color that mean they are trying to look less of 1 thing and more of another.

Many people try different hair types and styles and colors throught their life and sometimes it's just what it is.

99% of the time if a man does these things he does not get the same reaction that a woman does.

Nobody said Dennis Rodman was trying to be white, even if he had some issues. He had issues of course but wanting to be white may not have been one. Chris Brown. Many 'male dancers' did the blond thing back in the 1990's, I don't think anyone thinks they are/were trying to be more european or acceptible.

Ciara at this point in her career, how does that fit, how will that make her more famous in 2012.

That could just be the look for her new album or songs and next year she's brown with red highlights.

Many older women when they go grey will color their hair a blond or light brown: black white italian jewish etc depending on their social world and I don't believe that the black women I've seen do it are giving into some white ideal. Sometime it's easier to maintain when you have grey hairs growing thru, versus coloring it black or dark brown. So highlight the greyness.

I just think it's get simplified to that "Europeanized" thing ALL the time and I don't think its true

People are too diverse for it to alway come down to this ^^ 1 thing every time

Do all women with kinky hair who straigten it mean they are trying to fall in line with more Europeanized standards of beauty.

mjscarousal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

sadly, women of all backgrounds have to deal with this x 7, men don't get judged like that.

If a blue black man went blond it would be an 'artistic' statement, do one would say he was trying to be white

but women will get it really hard

When Chris Brown dyed his hair people talked about it to and said it didnt look right.

Personally, I dont think it looks right.. It washes him out. Black or brown hair would bring his features out better because his fair skin.

Also, this discussion is about Ciara. So naturally the discussion will go into how women are portrayed specifically but that is not implying the issue doesnt apply to men as well.

But if you were paying any kind of attention through out this entire thread, people have insisted that African Americans which also INCLUDES men are white washed in the media. Its been this way for years, this shit isnt new. Its just that women are seen as sexual objects though ats its always been harder overall for women in the media let alone AA women.

Which proves my point,

You might say it doesn't look right on him, it's his life and many people did like it...

But you didn't conclude you thought he was trying to fit into some kind of Europeanized standard of beauty because he is a man and we don't judge men by their outward looks the way we do women.

Chris Brown does it, people give or take a comment

Rhianna does it and people go into the physiological racially ingrained self hate conversation

Sometime people just accept every "ingrained racisted inplication" behind too many things. When there are many people that just don't care and will change up their look every year.

Again is Nikki Minaj feeding into racialized conditioning when she wore her hair blond, pink or purple?

OldFriends4Sale said:

No I understand the who Europeanized ideals of beauty, I'm never denying that that could be a part of things.

Through out this conversation you have made every excuse in the world to minimize this issue. Now are you honestly going to sit here and lie about denying it?

I would not have challenged your arguement otherwise.

OldFriends4Sale said:

And I have a right to think outside the box too, who is the authority here on what is and isn't? Did any of you talk to Ciara and figure out where her mindset is on that? NO

You have a right to think what you want. You said you liked the look on Ciara and honestly thats fine. I dont care what other opinions you have. I just think its beyond ignorant though that you have minimized how AA are portrayed in the media by bringing up irrelevant things to the arguement.

FYI, you are not thinking outside of the box. You have made every excuse in the world, surface level to argue against people bringing up the white wash depiction of AA in the media.

This isnt about Ciara specifically. The issue goes BEYOND Ciara but your to simple minded to grasp that issue.

OldFriends4Sale said:

And yes, if a librarian goes blond, nobody thinks "Barbie" But if she is curvey and breasts and hip and ass, and then she goes blond "Barbie" get's applied. When women are in areas where their looks matter, yes, Young attractive and hot figure a brunette who goes blond ultra blond will get called that or viewed that way.

Now this is a very ignorant opinion to have because not everyone thinks this way. Your taking the comment to literal.

I see what your issue is but you need to get beyond that. You seem to think people are picking at Beyonce and that is not true at all. There have been African American women who are much skinnier etc that have wore the blonde wigs as well. Its just that Beyonce is constantly thrusted in the public eye and she is a black woman so naturally people are going to use her as an example and especially if she is presented as the standard beauty for a African American woman and specially when she feeds into the white wash bullshit.

I have never insisted that ALL black women who wear blonde wigs or weave are trying to be white and made this clear in the beginning but besides that their is a deeper issue here in the overall depictions of how AA women in the media and blonde wigs seems to be what is presented as the standard of beauty but blonde is considered that in general!

OldFriends4Sale said:

Who the FUCK cares? Every AA who feels the need to comment on Beyonce and Ciara on how they look, You obviously don't understand how a womans sexiness factors in on that. If Rosanne Barr went platinum Blond you wouldn't think 'fake barbie'

Another ignorant and snobbish statement but if that is your opinion so be it. So I guess every black person who comments on Beyonce or Ciara is hating on them because they are presented as being sexy?

First off, this is a message board and the thread is on Ciara and her "new look". So its open for people to comment on her new look/appearance etc. EVERYONE who has mentioned the European arguement in their posts here are NOT black So your very judgemental in assuming people here who have issue with Ciaras new look are ALL black which is beyond judgemental. The issue that you are bringing up has nothing to do with people commenting on how black people are being white washed in the media.

Roseann Barr is not a black woman presented as being the most sexiest woman in the world though and shes not black so that wasnt a good example.

Beyonce in particularly is presented as that but the thing is she feeds into the European look and white wash depiction which in reality isnt real and not what real beauty is. So yes people with some common sense are not going to feed into that bullshit and comment on it. Always remember people have a right to their opinion. No one has insulted Beyonce or Ciara.

It just seems you think people are hating on them (black) so you automatically assume people are throwing this arguement at them just because they are presented in the media as being sexy which is a very generic immature childish pathetic reason. You dont know the races of the people who commented to make a generalize statement that you made.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But I just don't believe that every single time someone changes their hair color that mean they are trying to look less of 1 thing and more of another.

Never insisted that ALL black people that change their hair to blonde is trying to be white... The arguement that Im speaking on is angenerational issue that has been going on for YEARS and that is BEYOND just hair color.

This is why earlier I insisted that you do more research because the issue is not on hair color alone.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Many people try different hair types and styles and colors throught their life and sometimes it's just what it is.

That is true but see there is a BIGGER issue at hand here that is not soley based on HAIR COLOR that you seem to keep missing with each post. If you truly understood the European influence on African American depictions in Hollywood you would not keep saying this like it just ends there.

OldFriends4Sale said:

99% of the time if a man does these things he does not get the same reaction that a woman does.

Thats because woman have always been seen as sexual objects in the media. Not to mention Beyonce and Ciara MARKET themselves as such so they are going to be judged accordingly. I dont think its fair but that is how society is. But another reason why is because THIS discussion is on CIARA and how WOMEN are portrayed in the media. I never insisted that black women are the only ones white washed. Its African Americans in general overall. Men depictions are

OldFriends4Sale said:

Nobody said Dennis Rodman was trying to be white, even if he had some issues. He had issues of course but wanting to be white may not have been one. Chris Brown. Many 'male dancers' did the blond thing back in the 1990's, I don't think anyone thinks they are/were trying to be more european or acceptible.

But Dennis Rodman was not thrusted heavily in the media as being the most sexiest guy in the world or heavily popular for people to even pay attention to it or care. I think alot of Dennis actions during that period were questionable but it seems your specifically picking out certain people of having blonde hair to justfiy the arguement. Like I said its not SOLEY based on hair color. And Chris Brown did get constructive criticism when he dyed his hair blonde, the white wash arguement was in fact one of them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ciara at this point in her career, how does that fit, how will that make her more famous in 2012.

Geeeee... you dont say??????

Have you been reading the thread?

OldFriends4Sale said:

I just think it's get simplified to that "Europeanized" thing ALL the time and I don't think its true

The problem is, the issue doesnt get brought up enough because people dont want to talk about it. Its hardly ever simplied into Europeanized and each and every time someone boldly makes that arguement they get bash just like the truth always does...

But whatever, I dont like Ciaras new wig but she looks great as usual. If you like so be it. Im not trying to change your opinion on her new look. However, that isnt going to stop me from commenting on how black people are Europeanized a arguement that so happens to be true. If you rather not talk about the issue, be naive and bullshit it so be it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

mjscarousal said:

When Chris Brown dyed his hair people talked about it to and said it didnt look right.

Personally, I dont think it looks right.. It washes him out. Black or brown hair would bring his features out better because his fair skin.

Also, this discussion is about Ciara. So naturally the discussion will go into how women are portrayed specifically but that is not implying the issue doesnt apply to men as well.

But if you were paying any kind of attention through out this entire thread, people have insisted that African Americans which also INCLUDES men are white washed in the media. Its been this way for years, this shit isnt new. Its just that women are seen as sexual objects though ats its always been harder overall for women in the media let alone AA women.

Which proves my point,

You might say it doesn't look right on him, it's his life and many people did like it...

But you didn't conclude you thought he was trying to fit into some kind of Europeanized standard of beauty because he is a man and we don't judge men by their outward looks the way we do women.

Chris Brown does it, people give or take a comment

Rhianna does it and people go into the physiological racially ingrained self hate conversation

Sometime people just accept every "ingrained racisted inplication" behind too many things. When there are many people that just don't care and will change up their look every year.

Again is Nikki Minaj feeding into racialized conditioning when she wore her hair blond, pink or purple?

But see that was MY personal opinion.

BLONDE and especially BLEACH blonde doesnt look right on everybody and sometimes just because a African American may be fair it doesnt necessarily mean it will look right on them either. A darker color brings the features out better and vice versa sometimes TO ME.

There were many many people who trashed Chris Brown when he dyed his hair blonde and I do not feel like searching for the millions of comments he recieved. Im also sure people liked it as well because everyone is not going to agree on everything.

Like I said, this discussion is on CIARA and primarily people were talking about how WOMEN are portrayed. I dont know why your bringing men up to show that men dy their hair as well etc WE KNOW THIS but the discussion was on women. I also said ALL AA have been white washed but its more than just hair like for example, how they are depicted in movies, the types of roles they have in movies, shows, etc... Its not all specifically centerd around looks and OF COURSE not just specfically on women.

Once again your picking out specific people. We can talk all day about specific people. Im talking about a specific issue that applies generally IN how hollywood depicts and has depicted black people but of course it doesnt apply to all for the billionth time.

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Is this Ciara OR is this Beyonce mkII ?!?