Timmy84 said:

I don't see how a reality show would help any. There's only rare notions that reality shows bring "positivity" and usually folks who are into reality shows don't want that, they want drama. We'll see what this show will bring.

Of course it's not going to help. But I doubt someone at Cissy's age would know that.

It's just sucks that like the other matriarch, she has shady and stupid ass people in her ear.

mjscarousal said:

TD3 said:

Agree. I would think in this situation, you need to walk in the other persons shoes.

I saw the interview Mother Houston gave to the local news network in New Jersey. Cissy Houston expressed anger and hurt that her daughters 48 years on this earth were reduced to drowning in a tub after a weekend binder. Whitney had a drug problem. Addiction robs people of their self-respect; they do and pull shit they wouldn't otherwise do but it doesn't make them necessarily bad people. Maybe Mother Houston wants people to know who her daughters was, the good and the self destructive. Once again, that was her baby that died. Whitney Houston's is gone, her body has been reclaimed by the earth; her family isn't obligated to posturer for public approval that their grief is real. "Let the dead bury the dead."

A reality show though after the death of a family member. What could the reality show possibly be on????

Things like that to me seems like someone is looking for money. Your right, she isnt obligated to prove anything to me but her actions speak otherwise as far as her intentions.

Right. I feel like she doesn't have to prove anything as far as her daughter is concerned because everyone, even the public, has their own opinion of what they think about the whole situation. So why the need for a book and reality show? Makes no sense. Only those inside Whitney's circle and Whitney herself, know the truth.

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missfee said:

mjscarousal said:

A reality show though after the death of a family member. What could the reality show possibly be on????

Things like that to me seems like someone is looking for money. Your right, she isnt obligated to prove anything to me but her actions speak otherwise as far as her intentions.

Right. I feel like she doesn't have to prove anything as far as her daughter is concerned because everyone, even the public, has their own opinion of what they think about the whole situation. So why the need for a book and reality show? Makes no sense. Only those inside Whitney's circle and Whitney herself, know the truth. It doesn't mean that folks are finding reason to bitch or complain about the situation, they are just giving their opinions, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Yeah if we was bitching and moaning, it'd been more like "aw we want in on the show we were her fans!" that type of shit. While I don't think Pat had anything to do with Whitney's passing, she's a thirst-seeking person and anyone who don't see that, well... go for what you know.

mookie said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't see how a reality show would help any. There's only rare notions that reality shows bring "positivity" and usually folks who are into reality shows don't want that, they want drama. We'll see what this show will bring.

Of course it's not going to help. But I doubt someone at Cissy's age would know that.

It's just sucks that like the other matriarch, she has shady and stupid ass people in her ear.

Cissy Houston, at her age, knows the business better than anyone--she's been in it for so long.

mjscarousal said:

TD3 said:

Agree. I would think in this situation, you need to walk in the other persons shoes.

I saw the interview Mother Houston gave to the local news network in New Jersey. Cissy Houston expressed anger and hurt that her daughters 48 years on this earth were reduced to drowning in a tub after a weekend binder. Whitney had a drug problem. Addiction robs people of their self-respect; they do and pull shit they wouldn't otherwise do but it doesn't make them necessarily bad people. Maybe Mother Houston wants people to know who her daughters was, the good and the self destructive. Once again, that was her baby that died. Whitney Houston's is gone, her body has been reclaimed by the earth; her family isn't obligated to posturer for public approval that their grief is real. "Let the dead bury the dead."

A reality show though after the death of a family member. What could the reality show possibly be on????

Things like that to me seems like someone is looking for money. Your right, she isnt obligated to prove anything to me but her actions speak otherwise as far as her intentions.

I would agree, these types of shows are produced for the sole purpose of buffonery. I would be very surprised, hell I would be shocked if their reality show is different. That is if the show ever gets off the ground.

I don't know what the Houston's suppose motives are... if they are motivated by money who does this affect? Whatever choices the Houton family makes for good or for ill, they'll have to live with the consequences. I think its pretty low to question or in some instances attack Cissy Houston motives about anything really. What has she done to anyone? Nothing. Cissy Houston has lost a daughter who I'm sure kept her stomach in knots for 20 years and folks are talkin' some sillyness about her grasping for 30 pieces of silver. As my mother says, "I don't look at the person who's being talked about, I look at the person who's doing the talkin'."

mookie said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't see how a reality show would help any. There's only rare notions that reality shows bring "positivity" and usually folks who are into reality shows don't want that, they want drama. We'll see what this show will bring.

Of course it's not going to help. But I doubt someone at Cissy's age would know that.

It's just sucks that like the other matriarch, she has shady and stupid ass people in her ear.

well, i will say this for cissy: at least harper collins is a reputable publishing house. unlike katherine "publishing" that mj book based on her other book and ripping off mj's copyrights. lord!

but at least mj made sure that his mother will be taken care of in her old age. it sounds like a different situation for cissy. if i'm not mistaken, bobby is the only heir with pat as the executor. i think cissy was the executor but somehow pat was put in her place? is that because cissy declined? if so, i'm sure that she's kicking herself about now. executors can get management fees. mj's team is raking in boo-coo bucks for themselves.

anyway, since cissy wasn't provided for in whitney's will, then she's not entitled to receive any of her money (and even if she didn't have a will, i think bobbi kris would have been her only lawful heir as well). i think it's really sad that neither she (nor katherine, it seems) put away something for her old age. i'm nowhere near their ages and i am always thinking about retirement and stuff like that.

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Writing a book about your deceased daughter? How _______

Timmy84 said:

Identity said:

I don't see her writing a book on her daughter as a cash grab. My feeling is she wants her book to be the definitive word on Whitney's professional and personal life.

I don't see the book as a problem. It's the details. You know folks ain't gonna wanna publish a book where only the good details are discussed. I guess it's good she ain't releasing it until next year I guess.

exactly. whether its mj or whitney, they are not here to refute or give their side of the story, which is important when you know that harper collins has 'bought and paid' for the 'bad and the ugly' with a little 'good' thrown in to make them not look so bad.

whitney wasn't her only child who got hooked on drugs; are we going to get any self-introspection on cissy's part as to why that might have been? i doubt it. it's like katherine complaining to oprah about mj's plastic surgery, never once considering that she watched as her husband constantly belittled their sons and maybe that might have had something to do with how little mj seemed to value himself. no, cissy probably will be just as blind to any of her faults, but all of whitney's will be on display because that's what harper collins is paying for.

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't see the book as a problem. It's the details. You know folks ain't gonna wanna publish a book where only the good details are discussed. I guess it's good she ain't releasing it until next year I guess.

exactly. whether its mj or whitney, they are not here to refute or give their side of the story, which is important when you know that harper collins has 'bought and paid' for the 'bad and the ugly' with a little 'good' thrown in to make them not look so bad.

whitney wasn't her only child who got hooked on drugs; are we going to get any self-introspection on cissy's part as to why that might have been? i doubt it. it's like katherine complaining to oprah about mj's plastic surgery, never once considering that she watched as her husband constantly belittled their sons and maybe that might have had something to do with how little mj seemed to value himself. no, cissy probably will be just as blind to any of her faults, but all of whitney's will be on display because that's what harper collins is paying for.

Is that what mama Jackson said?lol I didn't watch the special. My belief is that Michael would have been just as fucked up in the head had he been raised 'normal.' People have to be held accountable for their own actions whether it be MJ and his problems or Whitney and her's.

True enough Whitney's siblings had drug issues and other Jackson siblings have problems with plastic surgery, but you can't always blame other people.

Terrib3Towel said:

kibbles said:

exactly. whether its mj or whitney, they are not here to refute or give their side of the story, which is important when you know that harper collins has 'bought and paid' for the 'bad and the ugly' with a little 'good' thrown in to make them not look so bad.

whitney wasn't her only child who got hooked on drugs; are we going to get any self-introspection on cissy's part as to why that might have been? i doubt it. it's like katherine complaining to oprah about mj's plastic surgery, never once considering that she watched as her husband constantly belittled their sons and maybe that might have had something to do with how little mj seemed to value himself. no, cissy probably will be just as blind to any of her faults, but all of whitney's will be on display because that's what harper collins is paying for.

Is that what mama Jackson said?lol I didn't watch the special. My belief is that Michael would have been just as fucked up in the head had he been raised 'normal.' People have to be held accountable for their own actions whether it be MJ and his problems or Whitney and her's.

True enough Whitney's siblings had drug issues and other Jackson siblings have problems with plastic surgery, but you can't always blame other people.

yes, she was apparently fairly distainful, not compassionate about mj's lack of self-esteem. true, people should and have to rise above things. i'm just saying i understand how mj might have gotten to that bad place, because we are influenced by those around us, particularly our parents. i listen to my mother complaining about my brother's behavior all the time, and while i agree she has a point, i also remember how she was when we were growing up and how she's not entirely blameless in the outcome.

Did Cissy even know what Whitney was really into in her latter years? I doubt she knew all the foolishness going on with Ray J, Raffles and other hanger ons. Maybe the book will focus on her childhood. Still, I wasn't expecting Cissy to write a book about Whitney.

MadamGoodnight said:

Did Cissy even know what Whitney was really into in her latter years? I doubt she knew all the foolishness going on with Ray J, Raffles and other hanger ons. Maybe the book will focus on her childhood. Still, I wasn't expecting Cissy to write a book about Whitney.

I heard murmurs she was gonna write a book a week after her death. Of course it was denied at the time. Cissy will probably talk about Whitney from her childhood up until she separated and divorced Bobby and what she and her went through before 2/11/2012.

missfee said:

These Houstons are starting to sound reminiscent of another fucked up celebrity family...

The Jacksons or the Debarges? Those are tragic examples.

she needs to get that shit out before FEB.. it needs to be there for the xmas selling period!

nothing says merry christmas more than the story of a cash grabbing mama selling out the story of her crackhead daughter

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I wonder will Bobby & Robin be included in the book. Since they we're huge parts of her daughter Whitney's short life.....