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HAPPYPERSON

Mining Elvis Presley's catalog: What was found and what was lost

Elvis Presley 1950s “The Complete Elvis Pre...Masters” is a marvel to behold, and a behemoth to explore. Over its 30 CDs are the astonishing array of music that the King of Rock 'n' Roll recorded over a quarter century -- 711 master tracks, more than triple what the Beatles issued during their career, plus more than 100 other outtakes, unreleased songs and live performances.

And even though 162 of those songs on the new box set charted during Presley’s lifetime, that leaves a monstrous amount far less known, a source of considerable pride and pleasure to Ernst Jorgensen, the Danish record exec and lifelong Elvis fan who’s been in charge of his catalog reissues for the last 20 years.

“When Elvis died in 1977, who thought we would ever find four demos recorded by him before he ever made a recording at Sun Records?” Jorgensen told me during an interview for a story that appeared Friday in Calendar. “That has to be the highlight of the rarities section. We found so many things simply by being around.”

Of course, the issue of what was found brings with it the question of what wasn’t. Jorgenson has spent two decades scouring the world for Presley recordings, and at this point doesn’t anticipate any major new discoveries.

“We don’t have our hands on everything,” he said. “In 1959, RCA Records destroyed about 20,000 tapes to save space in some warehouse building in Indianapolis. There were lots of Elvis Sun tapes and '50s records. These were not the masters, but the outtakes. On that, I have given up. I've known every vault keeper there was, I’ve known the paperwork… With the Internet and eBay, most people who have something worth any money have been out shaking it trying to sell it.”

Other than outtakes from the fabled Sun sessions magically appearing one day, Jorgensen’s Holy Grail acquisition would be recordings of Presley’s early live performances.

“What I’d appreciate,” he said with a laugh, “is for you to go back down through Texas and Louisiana and find me some more radio tapes of Elvis on ‘Louisiana Hayride.’ …For me, to hear early Elvis before he was famous, out there singing, is the ultimate. [Chuck Berry’s] ‘Maybellene’ popped up; that’s on the box." So is an 1955 live recording of an effervescent Presley covering LaVern Baker's bouncy R&B hit "Tweedlee Dee.”

[For the Record: An earlier version of this post mistakenly referred to "Tweedlee Dee" as a Ruth Brown hit.]

“It came with the territory: If you were young and known at the 'Louisiana Hayride,' when you came there on a Saturday you had to sing the songs that were popular at the time,” Jorgensen said. “Whether it was Elvis or [rockabilly singer] Jeanette Hicks, somebody had to sing ‘Tweedle Dee’ that night.”

-- Randy Lewis

Photo of Elvis Presley performing in the 1950s. Credit: Sony Music Archives

http://latimesblogs.latim...x-set.html

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Reply #1 posted 05/13/12 5:22pm

Timmy84

It sometimes amazes me how many songs an artist from long ago recorded. I didn't expect that many Elvis tracks. Wow! He and James Brown probably had the most...

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Reply #2 posted 05/13/12 7:01pm

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This is a very shortened/edited version of a lengthy 2003 Washington Post feature, archived on WaPo but copied in full at:

http://www.elvisnews.com/...hunter/664

http://www.elvis.com.au/p...ter.shtml

The Elvis Hunter - On the Trail of the King


A native-born Dane who lives on a farm outside Copenhagen, Jorgensen has covered thousands of miles and burned tankloads of gas tracking down every imaginable detail of Presley's career, from the minutiae of recording sessions to the set lists of tours. He's unearthed lost songs and interviewed hundreds of Presley's engineers, producers and backup musicians. He's bought master tapes that were stolen from record-label vaults and ransomed for small fortunes.

Elvis-hunting has been his full-time job since the early '90s, when he began a massive repackaging of Presley's music for BMG, the German conglomerate that owns the RCA label and, therefore, Elvis's catalogue. At least once a year the company releases an album or a multi-CD box set compiled by Jorgensen in collaboration with a Brit named Roger Semon.

So far, it's worked. All told, the pair have helped move more than a half-billion dollars worth of CDs.


It turns out that Presley's audience is broader and more eager to buy and rebuy his songs than anyone had imagined. That includes his label, which for many years treated its most famous artist as little more than a paycheck in a gaudy cape.


"Elvis was really almost forgotten," says Mike Omansky, a former vice president at RCA. "It was recognized that if you put out an Elvis release you'd make some money, but there was no effort to match the quality of product with Presley's artistry."


Jorgensen changed that. He did it largely by treating Presley's life and work with a seriousness that nobody in the early '90s thought it warranted.

Before Ernst Jorgensen became the in-house Presley expert at BMG, the company's market research suggested that the typical Elvis fan fit a very narrow profile. She was a woman between 35 and 55 years old; she was white and Southern and married to a blue-collar worker; and she would never, under any circumstances, pay more than $10 for a Presley album.

This blinkered view of the King's appeal was inevitable, given the way his legacy was then marketed. Starting in the late '70s, Elvis albums were lobbed haphazardly into record stores, one after another. Some lacked a coherent theme ("Elvis Sings for Children and Grownups Too!"), others had a theme and an uneven song list, and many were hobbled by inferior recordings.

The strategy -- if you could call it that -- reflected the get-it-now style of Presley's manager, Col. Tom Parker, a former carny who emphasized cash flow over quality from the start of Elvis's career. When Presley died in 1977, the Colonel retained a strong hand in the way his only client was packaged, and that approach took on a momentum of its own after Parker passed away. To RCA, Presley was an afterthought, a valuable if neglected annuity and a low priority compared with the new acts then being pushed.


"After he died, all you saw of Elvis for 15 years was the bloated Elvis on the front of the National Enquirer," he says. "The erratic behavior at the end of Presley's life had overshadowed one of the most important talents in this country. Nobody could hear the music anymore for all the nonsense."

Presley's estate had to be coaxed on board -- but the repackaging began in 1992 with the release of a five-disc box called "The Complete 50's Masters." It offered 140 songs, lots of photos and retailed for the seemingly outrageous sum of $79. With trepidation, the label ordered an initial run of 20,000 copies.

Four hundred thousand units later, the set has gone double-platinum. "Masters" earned a fortune, but as important, it provoked a second look at Presley himself. Rolling Stone gave the box five stars and declared it "monumental." "Presley the singer emerges as a workhorse, a student -- finally, unarguably, an artist," the magazine wrote. "Masters" was snapped up by a whole new audience, including young men and, to the great astonishment of BMG, New Yorkers.

"Ernst's approach has radically altered the context in which Elvis's music was perceived," says Peter Guralnick. "He assigned to Elvis's music the dignity and the ambition that it embodied, and he did it in a systematic way, in a way that reclaimed a life's work. It's hard to overestimate the value of that."



"I come from a school system where you're taught constantly to find out, to research," Jorgensen says. "But there was no factual information about Elvis anywhere. In the middle of the '60s, RCA would suddenly release something from the late '50s and all you knew was that it didn't sound like anything Elvis had done recently. But that was it."

For Jorgensen, the appeal of this work, aside from the salary and the chance to exalt a singer he considers the colossus of pop, is the sleuthing. A fan of detective novels, he studies Presley's past the way a private eye studies murders. He spent weeks pinpointing the evening that Presley's pink and white Cadillac caught fire in 1955 -- someone forgot to release the hand brake -- and now he dates shows based on what Elvis drove to the concert.

"If it's a pink and white Cadillac, it's before June 7. If it's a Ford Crown Victoria, the show was after June 7," Jorgensen says. "And if it's a pink and black Cadillac, it's after July 10."


The field trip to Covington starts in the morning at the headquarters of Elvis Presley Enterprises.

Jorgensen has spent countless hours in this office and at Graceland, but his relationship with this corporation is complicated. In 1973, Col. Parker and Presley struck one of the worst deals in rock history, selling to RCA the rights to everything Elvis had recorded to that point for less than $11 million. At the same time, EPE owns the rights to Presley's image, not to mention millions of Elvis-related documents. It's hard to sell the music without the image, or the image without the music. Like it or not, neither company can do business without the other.


A young lady named Angie Marchese escorts Jorgensen to a cluttered office in the back of the building. Marchese has brought along a file of photocopied letters sent to and from Bob Neal, Presley's first manager.

When Marchese leaves, so will the file. Nobody gets alone time with Elvis documents, not even Jorgensen. The reams of pages -- correspondence, notes and the entire written record of Presley's career -- are worth big money to unscrupulous collectors. BMG has the same security-first attitude these days about Presley's recordings, which are stored in a guarded facility under a mountain in Pennsylvania.


For years after he'd taken over the Elvis portfolio for BMG, he was bloodhounding for master tapes and acetates that had vanished from RCA, either stolen or misplaced through neglect. When he finally tracked down a tape, it was usually in the hands of someone who bought it from someone, who found it at a flea market -- or at least that was the story.

"Nobody ever confessed to a crime, but I suspect that often these were inside jobs," Jorgensen says. "I imagine there were people at RCA contacted by collectors and paid to, you know, put the box of tapes at a certain place in a parking garage at a certain time."


Reclaiming this bounty led to some B-movie moments that in hindsight seem almost comical. In 1999, Jorgensen arranged a meeting in the lobby of the Hotel Nikko at Beverly Hills with a go-between sent by a jittery anonymous seller who'd acquired, somehow, about 25 tapes, including the original master of "Heartbreak Hotel," as well as outtakes of "It's Now or Never." Jorgensen showed up with $10,000 in cash -- an additional $40,000 in cash for other songs would follow -- and bought the tapes back. Many of the songs wound up on the box set, "Today, Tomorrow and Forever." This seller's recording of "Heartbreak Hotel" appears on "30 #1 Hits."

"I never learned the seller's name", Jørgensen says, shaking his head in amusement. "I guess he was nervous that the FBI would grab him. So I was in this hotel on La Cienega Boulevard with a bag of cash, meeting a middleman. I didn't eat the night before, because I was too nervous to leave the room with that much money".

On the phone Wednesday, he said he was negotiating for a newly surfaced recording of Presley singing at an Alabama radio station in 1955. The tape sounds promising, and you can tell from Jorgensen's voice that he can't wait to get his hands on it.

"It depends on the price, and the quality of the recordings," he says. "But we're hopeful that we can acquire it."

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Reply #3 posted 05/13/12 11:47pm

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HAPPYPERSON said:


“The Complete Elvis Presley Masters”
is a marvel to behold, and a behemoth to explore. Over its 30 CDs are the astonishing array of music that the King of Rock 'n' Roll recorded over a quarter century -- 711 master tracks, more than triple what the Beatles issued during their career, plus more than 100 other outtakes, unreleased songs and live performances.

And even though 162 of those songs on the new box set charted during Presley’s lifetime, that leaves a monstrous amount far less known, a source of considerable pride and pleasure to Ernst Jorgensen, the Danish record exec and lifelong Elvis fan who’s been in charge of his catalog reissues for the last 20 years.

Elvis was active as a recording artist from 1954-1976, roughly twenty-three years (I don't believe he recorded anything in a studio in 1977).

The Beatles were active as recording artists from late 1962- very early 1970, roughly seven and a half years.

Isn't it logical that Elvis, who was active as a recording artist for roughly three times as long as The Beatles were, would have recorded far more material? Besides, The Beatles had much stricter quality control. Of those 711 master tracks how many are good-great vs. average-mediocre? When you are debating Elvis vs. The Beatles it is quantity vs. quality. For me quality wins. wink

Elvis had some great peaks (fifties/early sixties, late sixties/early seventies) but he also had very long stretches when he was releasing fairly unimpressive music.

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Reply #4 posted 05/15/12 11:21am

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I'd like someone to do this with Sam Cooke & Johnnie Taylor.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #5 posted 05/15/12 12:10pm

JoeBala

I guess that set is for the new Elvis fans. I'm not getting it cause I pretty much have everything + too expensive. Be nice just to release the rare stuff seperately. I agree with you Mickey.

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Reply #6 posted 05/15/12 12:56pm

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MickyDolenz said:

I'd like someone to do this with Sam Cooke & Johnnie Taylor.

James Brown's catalogue is screaming for this kind of box set. Even into the early seventies his albums were often quite messy and it would make a lot more sense to release everything in the order in which it was recorded.

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Reply #7 posted 05/15/12 1:26pm

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rialb said:

MickyDolenz said:

I'd like someone to do this with Sam Cooke & Johnnie Taylor.

James Brown's catalogue is screaming for this kind of box set. Even into the early seventies his albums were often quite messy and it would make a lot more sense to release everything in the order in which it was recorded.

Sam's albums are out of print, and most of them have been since their original release, at least in the US. Some of the Keen albums were out on CD in the 1990's. I think a few of them were re-released in Japan fairly recently. Other than compilations, the only albums presently in the US are Night Beat and the 2 live albums.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #8 posted 05/15/12 2:10pm

JoeBala

MickyDolenz said:

rialb said:

James Brown's catalogue is screaming for this kind of box set. Even into the early seventies his albums were often quite messy and it would make a lot more sense to release everything in the order in which it was recorded.

Sam's albums are out of print, and most of them have been since their original release, at least in the US. Some of the Keen albums were out on CD in the 1990's. I think a few of them were re-released in Japan fairly recently. Other than compilations, the only albums presently in the US are Night Beat and the 2 live albums.

Yeah I just lucky and got a couple of those keen recordings about 10 years ago. One was a present and the other I think I bought used. At least the 4 disc boxset Is still out there.

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Reply #9 posted 05/15/12 2:46pm

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JoeBala said:

MickyDolenz said:

Sam's albums are out of print, and most of them have been since their original release, at least in the US. Some of the Keen albums were out on CD in the 1990's. I think a few of them were re-released in Japan fairly recently. Other than compilations, the only albums presently in the US are Night Beat and the 2 live albums.

Yeah I just lucky and got a couple of those keen recordings about 10 years ago. One was a present and the other I think I bought used. At least the 4 disc boxset Is still out there.

I bought one of the Keen CDs. The sound quality isn't that good. That's why I didn't buy any of the others. Then they went out of print.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #10 posted 05/15/12 4:03pm

JoeBala

I found 2 Keen. Thought I had three. I'll have to listen to them again to check the sound quality on them. I think the one I got as a gift was good quality. I have Sam Cooke Vol. One The Keen Years and Sam Cooke - Encore. There are some good Pair labels that are good too. Mostly old fashion stuff and not his R&B stuff. Most of the stuff I have is longer avaiklable on CD anymore and glad I got them. There are some Sam Mp3 stuff on amazon uk from england that I never heard, but I could not buy them. sad If they had a Elvis Soundtrack boxset I'd get that in a second. There are some gems on those soundtracks. Mickey do you know how many albums Sam made altogether?, not including greatest hits.

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Reply #11 posted 05/15/12 5:04pm

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Sam was on Keen before RCA. A lot of the Keen stuff seems to be crooner pop standards and showtunes, sort of like Aretha Franklin on Columbia. I don't know how many albums he has altogether, but I know it's more than 10. There's also the stuff with the Soul Stirrers. I don't think the Stirrers released any albums with Sam, just a series of singles. Many performers of the time only released 45's or 78's.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #12 posted 05/15/12 6:26pm

JoeBala

You don't have any of the Soul Stirrer stuff with Sam? There was a 2CD out about ten years ago with all their stuff with Sam not sure If it's still out there?

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Reply #13 posted 05/15/12 6:40pm

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JoeBala said:

You don't have any of the Soul Stirrer stuff with Sam? There was a 2CD out about ten years ago with all their stuff with Sam not sure If it's still out there?

No, my mom has a cassette of the Soul Stirrers with Sam, but it's just their most popular songs. I have this though:

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Sam was with the Highway QC's, but I don't know if he recorded anything with them. Johnnie did.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #15 posted 05/15/12 6:45pm

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So I assume this is taking the place of my "Comple '50s Masters" and the "Essential '60s" and "Essential '70s Masters" box sets?

GRRRRRR.

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Reply #16 posted 05/15/12 6:53pm

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JoeBala said:

I guess that set is for the new Elvis fans. I'm not getting it cause I pretty much have everything + too expensive. Be nice just to release the rare stuff seperately

You're so right about the 'too expensive', it's for hardcore fans and collectors who were presold the first run before it was released. The second run is what is left at retail presently. The endless 50 Greatest Whatevers sets and hits cds are for the new fans.

Anyway excuse me if I misunderstand but the rare stuff is and has been released separately on the collectors and classic albums (FTD) Follow That Dream series and some standard Presley sets as well. There's nothing new in the big box except some additional remastering and the book.

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Reply #17 posted 05/15/12 7:15pm

JoeBala

Too many re-issues and you are right for collectors with MONEY. I would like to see them release an CD with alternative takes and make it modern, but not over produced. Something like the 80's Guitar Man. There is suppose to be a duet with Justin Bieber coming. I for one hope that never(shake my head) NEVER happens.

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Reply #18 posted 05/15/12 7:15pm

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errant said:

So I assume this is taking the place of my "Comple '50s Masters" and the "Essential '60s" and "Essential '70s Masters" box sets?

GRRRRRR.

Hahahaha your sentiment is clear. lol

If it's any consolation, your current boxes are just a small, poor-sounding subset really. razz And hey, there is a deal at PopMarket, the set is only $599.99 from them!

Or you can just go one year at a time and buy just 1956 for only $99.99! Then there'll be the new Sun box that's still in editing, I'm sure that'll only be $100... or $300 or... bawl

http://www.popmarket.com/.../25829668

http://www.popmarket.com/...s/26542971

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Reply #19 posted 05/15/12 7:35pm

JoeBala

Those Essential 50', 60's and 70's Boxset still have the best sound quality besides those Legacy Editions. I think the only one that sounds a bit better Is Elvis Is Back. Elvis In Memphis does not sound that different to me. I never re-bought the Elvis Presley(His first album) or Elvis On stage (Legacy Edition), so I can't comment on those. Eileen what do you think of those If you bought them, compared to the boxsets?

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Reply #20 posted 05/15/12 8:43pm

Eileen

JoeBala said:

Those Essential 50', 60's and 70's Boxset still have the best sound quality besides those Legacy Editions. I think the only one that sounds a bit better Is Elvis Is Back. Elvis In Memphis does not sound that different to me. I never re-bought the Elvis Presley(His first album) or Elvis On stage (Legacy Edition), so I can't comment on those. Eileen what do you think of those If you bought them, compared to the boxsets?

Sorry, I have the FTDs so haven't picked up the Legacy editions yet. FECC folks I know spew a lot of details on those differences, even better are reviews from EIN: http://www.elvisinfonet.com/

I do think there have been a lot of improvements since those boxes, yet not everything is an improvement. Some of the engineers are better than others and they've used different engineers at different times. There was other remastering in between the boxsets and the FTD and Legacy sets too and I'd picked up some of those and noted improvements.

A lot of folks still argue about things like whether or not The Memphis Record is the best version of the Memphis sessions, some say absolutely, some really detest it. And then there are also the Japanese mini-lp sleeve sets that some believe are the best of all and the DCC gold discs... It's a painful thing.

I'm not an audiophile at all but I do notice when I can hear previously buried instruments or when a vocal sounds more like it's in the room with me than not. Beyond that I'm mostly watching for undubbed masters and differently-styled alt takes.

While I'd like to see some Prince remasters, mostly I'm glad I don't have to deal with the same incremental improvement issues on his catalog, at least not without coming into an inheritance or winning the Powerball...

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Reply #21 posted 05/15/12 11:38pm

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Eileen said:

While I'd like to see some Prince remasters, mostly I'm glad I don't have to deal with the same incremental improvement issues on his catalog, at least not without coming into an inheritance or winning the Powerball...

I think Elvis is a bit different than most artists. Every five-ten years it seems like there is a massive reissue campaign. I don't believe that will ever happen with someone like Prince.

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Reply #22 posted 05/16/12 6:47am

Eileen

FTD SUN BOX ANNOUNCED

A Boy From Tupelo : The Complete 1953-55 Recordings

  • 10 previously-unreleased cuts
  • 200 previously-unpublished photos
  • every known SUN master and outtake
  • two private records Elvis paid for with his own money
  • radio and concert performances from the Sun period
  • 3 cds + 512 page book (12" by 12")
  • release date August 16
  • priced EU:99 euro = US $126

more at link:

http://www.elvis.com.au/p...ings.shtml

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Reply #23 posted 05/16/12 7:00am

JoeBala

126 yikes. eek eek eek I wonder what the 10 unreleased tracks are? Maybe just outtakes.

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Reply #24 posted 05/16/12 7:44am

Eileen

JoeBala said:

126 yikes. eek eek eek I wonder what the 10 unreleased tracks are? Maybe just outtakes.

The price listed is from an overseas Elvis shop so it's unclear how close it will bear on outlets here such as Shopelvis. Sometimes it's cheaper to get Presley product overseas, unfortunately.

I expect the unreleased are both outtakes and live cuts. Info is floating around but there will be an official tracklist soon enough I expect.

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