NDRU said:

whatsgoingon said:

purplethunder3121 said: I must be missing something, I still do not understand the commotion abour Adel surpassing Thriller in the UK. I can understand if she surpasses his record globally, then I can really see the big deal. I mean wil they have this commotion if she outsells Abba Gold album, which has also sold more than thRILLER in the UK.? [Edited 5/5/12 1:20am] [Edited 5/5/12 1:23am]

Yeah, it is the UK after all. And the other artists are British/European artists. It's an achievement that Thriller is the only american album in the top 5.

And Adele has sold more than every Beatles album except Sgt Pepper. It doesn't mean she is better, just that she had a really big hit. I don't think it means people will forget the Beatles and Michael Jackson.

Exactly!!

Cinny said:

I don't see kids walking around in Adele jackets

that's because it would be like wearing a marqee.

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I find that sales do not always match impact.

Adele can never be a pop icon like Michael was regardless of her sales

suga10 said:

Adele can never be a pop icon like Michael was regardless of her sales

Sorry, but I don't think Adele wants to be a POP ICON...

Hope not...

Why are people making a commotion about this? Because it's become the fifth bestselling album of all time in a very important country. Pirating music is more popular than ever, and 7% of that entire country has PAID for her music. Yes, if she passes Oasis and even Abba it will be news and threads will be posted about it. Nobody was able to get Thriller for free for it's first two decades. I'm not being a troll and Thriller may have been more iconic in the UK in the early 80s, so what? This thread is about sales, it's not like a UK music organization bumped off Thriller for 21 in a most iconic album list. I believe if all the Brits that pirated 21 had bought it it would be the #1 album in UK history. I believe Adele will go down in history as the most succesful soloist in UK history, and good for her.

BTW Norah Jones' debut has been a strong catalog seller for many years (in the states).

Hudson said:

I said I wasn't gonna come here anymore but shit, I had to be nosy but uh...

By the way, Queen's 1981 hits set is the number-one best-selling album in the UK at 5 million. Oh... and if it makes folks feel any better, Michael's still got two albums in the top ten over there so let's just dead this thread.

"You gon' wish you... never met me... tears about to fall... rolling in the deep! Altogether now!"

[Edited 5/6/12 18:35pm]

Sorry for bumping it Timmy, I'd been away for a couple months. whatsgoingon, I think it's big news that she was able to get that high when illegal downloads are at an all time high, but It doesn't take anything away from the people she has/might surpass.

Hudson said:

Sorry for bumping it Timmy, I'd been away for a couple months. whatsgoingon, I think it's big news that she was able to get that high when illegal downloads are at an all time high, but It doesn't take anything away from the people she has/might surpass.

That's the whole point entirely, isn't it. Adele's success doesn't take away from Michael's--really one doesn't have anything to do with the other.

Timmy84 said:

I said I wasn't gonna come here anymore but shit, I had to be nosy but uh...

!!!

No one is saying Adele's success takes away from Michael's.

No need to reitterate it one hundred times in one thread.

What has the music industry come to, when average music is considered great?

Hudson said:

Why are people making a commotion about this? Because it's become the fifth bestselling album of all time in a very important country. Pirating music is more popular than ever, and 7% of that entire country has PAID for her music. Yes, if she passes Oasis and even Abba it will be news and threads will be posted about it. Nobody was able to get Thriller for free for it's first two decades. I'm not being a troll and Thriller may have been more iconic in the UK in the early 80s, so what? This thread is about sales, it's not like a UK music organization bumped off Thriller for 21 in a most iconic album list. I believe if all the Brits that pirated 21 had bought it it would be the #1 album in UK history. I believe Adele will go down in history as the most succesful soloist in UK history, and good for her.

BTW Norah Jones' debut has been a strong catalog seller for many years (in the states).

What do you mean by "Nobody was able to get Thriller for free for it's first two decades"?

Have you ever heard of this (obviously incorrect) campaign from the 80's?

People have been copying music at home since the 60's, it's a not a new phenomenom by any means. The same percentage of music has been bought vs. copied for the past 50 years, no matter what the record companies are trying to feed us.

The total sales amounts might be dropping, but that's due to the disposable nature of current music and the fact that the market momentarily peaked in the mid 90's when people re-bought their entire vinyl/cassette collections on cd... And that's also where the likes of Michael Jackson, Dire Straits, Beatles or Queen get an extra boost in their statistics.

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Azz said:

No one is saying Adele's success takes away from Michael's.

No need to reitterate it one hundred times in one thread.

What has the music industry come to, when average music is considered great?

Yes.........

I don't think it's worth getting too worked up about as it's a bit like Justin Bieber selling the most Concert DVDs yet noone would ever ever consider him as talented as MJ or any other great act for that matter, its all just hype.

Adele is being marketed as this down to earth sweet white English lady with a black sounding voice but my wife wanted her Albert Hall DVD so I got it her and put it on for her and the kids and within the opening act Adele had said the word F**ing about 3 times. Absolutely no need for it and our opinion of her changed immediately from that which the hype had suggested.

Contrast Adele with the UK singer Beverley Knight who has an amazing voice, keeps it all clean and respectable whilst being also down to earth and has been going about 20 years yet she cannot even dream of the same sales or the same hype as Adele.

Wow, bumping this three days later just to fall of a chair at one comment!

I don't even know if dual casette players existed in 1983, or if copying was recording vinyl to cassette. Good point, but burning cd quality tracks to cd for free has taken a much bigger toll on sales. Popular music is still extremly popular among 12 - 34 year olds.

Gunsnhalen said:

That's pretty good. But i won't say more cause eventually this thread will just turn into one large argument cause people on the org take sales & records WAY to serious

Definitely. My first reaction on seeing the heading of this thread was to laugh. It just shows how disconnected sales are to merit.

I'm sure Adele is a nice enough person but artistically she's a nothing. And anyone who thinks this is a new phenomenon is tripping. Just take a look at the other artists on that list of all-time bestsellers... Abba?

Some of the posts of this thread are DISGUSTING

not disgusting enough to make me hate the whole org, but disgusting enough to convince me to do something I thought I'd never do: a BLACKLIST

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