Just a heads up-Marilyn Monroe is on the cover

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Thanks for the heads up!!

my pleasure

Don't read magazines, but I don't like that title. I swear they're talking about Whitney's drug use way more than they did MJ's kiddy diddling.

It's only because she's a woman.

Terrib3Towel said:

Don't read magazines, but I don't like that title. I swear they're talking about Whitney's drug use way more than they did MJ's kiddy diddling.

It's only because she's a woman.

The thing about these types of situations...

When people loss their battle of substance abuse who they were before their addiction kinda gets lost. By the same token, fair, unfair, judgemental, or whatever --you have to care for your "name". My mother always says, "People don't take the time to know the importance of their name." I tend to agree.

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Vanity Fair. That's all I needed to read. No thanks...

Timmy84 said:

Vanity Fair. That's all I needed to read. No thanks...

That's true too. If I hear about one mo' "Lost Pictures of Monroe" I"m gonna scream. Unless these pics show that her breast move around her body counter clockwise like our solar system, there's nothing new under the sun. No pun intended.

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TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

Vanity Fair. That's all I needed to read. No thanks...

That's true too. If I hear about one mo' "Lost Pictures of Monroe" I"m gonna scream. Unless these pics show that her breast move around her body counter clockwise like our solar system, there's nothing new under the sun. No pun intended.

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They seriously need to let Monroe rest in peace. Jesus.

Terrib3Towel said:

Don't read magazines, but I don't like that title. I swear they're talking about Whitney's drug use way more than they did MJ's kiddy diddling.

It's only because she's a woman.

when i comes to vanity fair, no, you're absolutely wrong.

vanity fair's maureen orth is synonymous with dirt digging on mj. she has written and they have published really, really scathing articles on him. there is a question for me as her ethics in doing so she quotes a man as saying he knew a boy who accused mj of said diddling, and the boy comes forward to say nothing of the sort ever happened and he only attended a party with his father where mj happened to be.

kibbles said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Don't read magazines, but I don't like that title. I swear they're talking about Whitney's drug use way more than they did MJ's kiddy diddling.

It's only because she's a woman.

when i comes to vanity fair, no, you're absolutely wrong.

vanity fair's maureen orth is synonymous with dirt digging on mj. she has written and they have published really, really scathing articles on him. there is a question for me as her ethics in doing so she quotes a man as saying he knew a boy who accused mj of said diddling, and the boy comes forward to say nothing of the sort ever happened and he only attended a party with his father where mj happened to be.

I was talking about in general.

And Vanity fair is just another damn tabloid. Same as Star.

Terrib3Towel said:

kibbles said:

when i comes to vanity fair, no, you're absolutely wrong.

vanity fair's maureen orth is synonymous with dirt digging on mj. she has written and they have published really, really scathing articles on him. there is a question for me as her ethics in doing so she quotes a man as saying he knew a boy who accused mj of said diddling, and the boy comes forward to say nothing of the sort ever happened and he only attended a party with his father where mj happened to be.

I was talking about in general.

And Vanity fair is just another damn tabloid. Same as Star.

yup.

Terrib3Towel said:

Don't read magazines, but I don't like that title. I swear they're talking about Whitney's drug use way more than they did MJ's kiddy diddling.

It's only because she's a woman.

It's rare that a goodie two shoes gets hooked on drugs. It's big news.

Is this issue out now?

I love Whitney and I love Marilyn so I'm getting it

http://www.vanityfair.com...-mark-seal

When Bobby was interviewed this week by Matt Lauer he was respectful and thoughtful in the face of Matt reflecting the widely held opinion that B was responsible for bringing "narcotics" into Whitney's life, and so on. He did say that it was part of her life "long before" he was. At the end of the day I always thought whatever blaming people wanted to do on Bobby was disrespectful to Whitney - like she was too weak to make her own decisions about the man she wanted in her life. Perhaps if some of the people judging and projecting onto Bobby had conducted themselves with embracing hearts Whitney would have been more present for them, and allowed them to help her find a healthier way. Perhaps she wouldn't have felt the need to step futher away from the people casting aspertions on her husband, and into something else that may have been killing the pain of some bullshit from people that she loved. Just projecting like a beast here.

It's just a really sad story

allsmutaside said:

When Bobby was interviewed this week by Matt Lauer he was respectful and thoughtful in the face of Matt reflecting the widely held opinion that B was responsible for bringing "narcotics" into Whitney's life, and so on. He did say that it was part of her life "long before" he was. At the end of the day I always thought whatever blaming people wanted to do on Bobby was disrespectful to Whitney - like she was too weak to make her own decisions about the man she wanted in her life. Perhaps if some of the people judging and projecting onto Bobby had conducted themselves with embracing hearts Whitney would have been more present for them, and allowed them to help her find a healthier way. Perhaps she wouldn't have felt the need to step futher away from the people casting aspertions on her husband, and into something else that may have been killing the pain of some bullshit from people that she loved. Just projecting like a beast here.

She was too weak to make her own decisions. She let an old silver balled pervert looking motherfucker not only make her "tone it down because it sounds too black", but also project a goodie two shoes Mary Poppins image. When I learned in recent years that she was never really a goodie two shoes but was simply putting on an act, I lost even more respect for her than when I thought she actually was a goodie two shoes which was very liittle to begin with. I don't like weak goodie two shoes type women but I don't like fake people even more. Instead of flaunting her drug use like the other stars of her era, she kept it hidden like a gay Republican in a public men's restroom.

vainandy said:

allsmutaside said:

When Bobby was interviewed this week by Matt Lauer he was respectful and thoughtful in the face of Matt reflecting the widely held opinion that B was responsible for bringing "narcotics" into Whitney's life, and so on. He did say that it was part of her life "long before" he was. At the end of the day I always thought whatever blaming people wanted to do on Bobby was disrespectful to Whitney - like she was too weak to make her own decisions about the man she wanted in her life. Perhaps if some of the people judging and projecting onto Bobby had conducted themselves with embracing hearts Whitney would have been more present for them, and allowed them to help her find a healthier way. Perhaps she wouldn't have felt the need to step futher away from the people casting aspertions on her husband, and into something else that may have been killing the pain of some bullshit from people that she loved. Just projecting like a beast here.

She was too weak to make her own decisions. She let an old silver balled pervert looking motherfucker not only make her "tone it down because it sounds too black", but also project a goodie two shoes Mary Poppins image. When I learned in recent years that she was never really a goodie two shoes but was simply putting on an act, I lost even more respect for her than when I thought she actually was a goodie two shoes which was very liittle to begin with. I don't like weak goodie two shoes type women but I don't like fake people even more. Instead of flaunting her drug use like the other stars of her era, she kept it hidden like a gay Republican in a public men's restroom.

Wait. I thought she HAD cleaned up in recent years. Right? Or was that all an act? I mean, I know there was cocaine in her system when she died but I thought she'd had a brief relapse. I like that Whitney WAS a real person. I love that she and Bobby acted cracky at times and didn't seem to care about their public image. Of course in any business you have to "clean it up" at times , but I really like about her that she was who she was. And at times she WAS cracky. I love Whitney and I even love Bobby- he gets a bad rap, imo. He's just a man struggling and I think, doing the best he can.

lauralevesque said:

vainandy said:

She was too weak to make her own decisions. She let an old silver balled pervert looking motherfucker not only make her "tone it down because it sounds too black", but also project a goodie two shoes Mary Poppins image. When I learned in recent years that she was never really a goodie two shoes but was simply putting on an act, I lost even more respect for her than when I thought she actually was a goodie two shoes which was very liittle to begin with. I don't like weak goodie two shoes type women but I don't like fake people even more. Instead of flaunting her drug use like the other stars of her era, she kept it hidden like a gay Republican in a public men's restroom.

Wait. I thought she HAD cleaned up in recent years. Right? Or was that all an act? I mean, I know there was cocaine in her system when she died but I thought she'd had a brief relapse. I like that Whitney WAS a real person. I love that she and Bobby acted cracky at times and didn't seem to care about their public image. Of course in any business you have to "clean it up" at times , but I really like about her that she was who she was. And at times she WAS cracky. I love Whitney and I even love Bobby- he gets a bad rap, imo. He's just a man struggling and I think, doing the best he can.

I'm talking about the goodie goodie image in the mid 1980s when she first came out and became so successful with it that she influenced so many others and helped to ruin music forever. By the mid to late 1990s, everyone knew she was on crack by then so there was no hiding it. When I say she hid her drug use like a gay Republican in a public men's room, I'm referring to her in the 1980s while she was the little goodie goodie Miss Priss crossover adult contemporary pop princess doing the same ole drugs that the bad ole funkers and rockers were doing openly but hiding it herself and acting like a little black Debbie Boone. Hell, that's hypocritical Republican type behavior.

No, I wasn't referring to recent years at all because times had changed by then and drugs were no longer the "cool" thing to do in the music industry like they used to be. Everyone doing drugs in recent years was denying it so she's no exception there.

vainandy said:

lauralevesque said:

Wait. I thought she HAD cleaned up in recent years. Right? Or was that all an act? I mean, I know there was cocaine in her system when she died but I thought she'd had a brief relapse. I like that Whitney WAS a real person. I love that she and Bobby acted cracky at times and didn't seem to care about their public image. Of course in any business you have to "clean it up" at times , but I really like about her that she was who she was. And at times she WAS cracky. I love Whitney and I even love Bobby- he gets a bad rap, imo. He's just a man struggling and I think, doing the best he can.

I'm talking about the goodie goodie image in the mid 1980s when she first came out and became so successful with it that she influenced so many others and helped to ruin music forever. By the mid to late 1990s, everyone knew she was on crack by then so there was no hiding it. When I say she hid her drug use like a gay Republican in a public men's room, I'm referring to her in the 1980s while she was the little goodie goodie Miss Priss crossover adult contemporary pop princess doing the same ole drugs that the bad ole funkers and rockers were doing openly but hiding it herself and acting like a little black Debbie Boone. Hell, that's hypocritical Republican type behavior.

No, I wasn't referring to recent years at all because times had changed by then and drugs were no longer the "cool" thing to do in the music industry like they used to be. Everyone doing drugs in recent years was denying it so she's no exception there.

Yes, I see what you're saying. In fact, it seems like NO ONE wants to believe that maybe Bobbie Brown did NOT get her on drugs (I actually believe he didn't that she was already on that road) because she looked so clean and so "pure". They still won't accept this and that's why everyone keeps pointing the finger at Bobby.

haha- gay Republican in a mens bathroom- haha:lol:

vainandy said:

allsmutaside said:

When Bobby was interviewed this week by Matt Lauer he was respectful and thoughtful in the face of Matt reflecting the widely held opinion that B was responsible for bringing "narcotics" into Whitney's life, and so on. He did say that it was part of her life "long before" he was. At the end of the day I always thought whatever blaming people wanted to do on Bobby was disrespectful to Whitney - like she was too weak to make her own decisions about the man she wanted in her life. Perhaps if some of the people judging and projecting onto Bobby had conducted themselves with embracing hearts Whitney would have been more present for them, and allowed them to help her find a healthier way. Perhaps she wouldn't have felt the need to step futher away from the people casting aspertions on her husband, and into something else that may have been killing the pain of some bullshit from people that she loved. Just projecting like a beast here.

She was too weak to make her own decisions. She let an old silver balled pervert looking motherfucker not only make her "tone it down because it sounds too black", but also project a goodie two shoes Mary Poppins image. When I learned in recent years that she was never really a goodie two shoes but was simply putting on an act, I lost even more respect for her than when I thought she actually was a goodie two shoes which was very liittle to begin with. I don't like weak goodie two shoes type women but I don't like fake people even more. Instead of flaunting her drug use like the other stars of her era, she kept it hidden like a gay Republican in a public men's restroom.

The Republican analagy is a good one on this point, but I would dare say that a Democrat would deny the same. I have been trying to be diplomatic on some of this business with Whitney because no matter - people's real and genuine feelings about death and loss are at play. Just recently I have lost someone important to me in the public eye, and that has me trying to turn over a new leaf and embrace a more judicious nature. I don't feel disingenuous, but I am holding my cards close to the vest. I have long agreed with you about Mr. Davis and the toxic things it seems he brought to W's career, and to all of us at the fucking end of the day. But I think it was hard to be strong in that situation when you are a young woman and your mother and family hold expectations that he was The One. ("Look what he did for Aretha. m Now come on and ... " And it seems she was strong, perhaps in a simply rebellious way, about her choice in men.

I think her statements over the years about drugs and class and lesbianism revealed an insecure girl who responded at times with a mean spirited tongue that may have reflected more about her than some wanted to acknowledge. I stopped thinking she was a goodie two shoes a long time ago.

"little black Debbie Boone" - while the wordplay is excellant and funny, it actually makes this jaded old bastard feel some compassion for her that there was enough pressure on this shit to make her bend to such an ugly place.

allsmutaside said:

vainandy said:

She was too weak to make her own decisions. She let an old silver balled pervert looking motherfucker not only make her "tone it down because it sounds too black", but also project a goodie two shoes Mary Poppins image. When I learned in recent years that she was never really a goodie two shoes but was simply putting on an act, I lost even more respect for her than when I thought she actually was a goodie two shoes which was very liittle to begin with. I don't like weak goodie two shoes type women but I don't like fake people even more. Instead of flaunting her drug use like the other stars of her era, she kept it hidden like a gay Republican in a public men's restroom.

The Republican analagy is a good one on this point, but I would dare say that a Democrat would deny the same. I have been trying to be diplomatic on some of this business with Whitney because no matter - people's real and genuine feelings about death and loss are at play. Just recently I have lost someone important to me in the public eye, and that has me trying to turn over a new leaf and embrace a more judicious nature. I don't feel disingenuous, but I am holding my cards close to the vest. I have long agreed with you about Mr. Davis and the toxic things it seems he brought to W's career, and to all of us at the fucking end of the day. But I think it was hard to be strong in that situation when you are a young woman and your mother and family hold expectations that he was The One. ("Look what he did for Aretha. m Now come on and ... " And it seems she was strong, perhaps in a simply rebellious way, about her choice in men.

I think her statements over the years about drugs and class and lesbianism revealed an insecure girl who responded at times with a mean spirited tongue that may have reflected more about her than some wanted to acknowledge. I stopped thinking she was a goodie two shoes a long time ago.

"little black Debbie Boone" - while the wordplay is excellant and funny, it actually makes this jaded old bastard feel some compassion for her that there was enough pressure on this shit to make her bend to such an ugly place.

It's no secret on this board that I have never liked her, mainly from the goodie goodie image she had, and considered her type of watered down music as one of the main things that first started R&B music to change for the worst. But when she died, I did not say one disrespectful thing about her on this board, nor on my facebook page, and I even expressed my anger for the way they left her body upstairs in that hotel and continued on with their party as if it was the most important thing that existed. Nobody deserves treatment like that, not even her. But that was February and this is May and life does go on. It's not like we're on one of her fan boards but even if we were, hell, this is a Prince fan board and we criticise him too.

I don't think she was "weak" in the sense you're talking...

She definitely had her issues but personally I think she was strong willed.

I just don't get that analogy that because she let Clive Davis guide her career the way he did that she was weak overall or whatever the point is to these posts.

But anyway Vanity Fair does have a lot of tabloid qualities about it.

Timmy84 said:

I don't think she was "weak" in the sense you're talking...

She definitely had her issues but personally I think she was strong willed.

I just don't get that analogy that because she let Clive Davis guide her career the way he did that she was weak overall or whatever the point is to these posts.

But anyway Vanity Fair does have a lot of tabloid qualities about it.

Talk about beating a dead Marilyn. Usually I appreciate their insights into how some of the rich and famous really got so rich - I don't care so much about the fame piece. But your earlier point, I think it was you, about another round of last photographs of Marilyn is frosty. A beautiful picture of Whitney would have been more appropriate, given that it is two thousand and freaking twelve Vanity Fair. But when you print what seems to amount to a smackdown, it compounds your insensative and cheap angle to put the chick on the cover.

allsmutaside said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't think she was "weak" in the sense you're talking...

She definitely had her issues but personally I think she was strong willed.

I just don't get that analogy that because she let Clive Davis guide her career the way he did that she was weak overall or whatever the point is to these posts.

But anyway Vanity Fair does have a lot of tabloid qualities about it.

Talk about beating a dead Marilyn. Usually I appreciate their insights into how some of the rich and famous really got so rich - I don't care so much about the fame piece. But your earlier point, I think it was you, about another round of last photographs of Marilyn is frosty. A beautiful picture of Whitney would have been more appropriate, given that it is two thousand and freaking twelve Vanity Fair. But when you print what seems to amount to a smackdown, it compounds your insensative and cheap angle to put the chick on the cover.

Yeah they should just let Marilyn rest in peace. It's been 50 years...